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August 01, 2015, 03:34:13 PM
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I will draw your attention to the 2nd OP
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527500.msg5860342#msg5860342


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I will draw your attention to the 2nd OP
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527500.msg5860342#msg5860342



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 #9663

"I certainly appreciate the work . . . "

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My Two Cents' Worth:

every long-term krypto hoomern knows the importance of an on-board dev to a coin. Uno's creator has recently turned up on our main thread, full of enthusiasm, and what? we're gonna throw cold water on his cryptographic enthusiasms?

Surely we can work together to figure out a niche for Proto, a nice profitable pro-Unobtanium niche.

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August 01, 2015, 06:41:03 PM
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I don't understand how this is hard to understand in 2015. I guess nobody has used a coin's testnet. It's simply "fake" coins to play with for testing purposes. If you just want to play around with UNO but not spare your real coins, then you can test mine the testnet, send coins for testing without worry of losing your Unobtanium. If you don't want to play with test coins from the testnet blockchain, then do nothing with it.

Lol save the condescension. When someone releases a wallet for the masses, the only thing missing from making this 'fake' coin 'real', is being listed on any 'legit' exchange. What you said can be said about any coin, if you don't like it, don't look.

We can go into the whole debate on 'what is real' if you would like.

All Hag did was release another coin. It really has little to do with Uno aside from having the same stats and distro which sort of pulls away from the uniqueness of Uno.

Another perspective, playing devils advocate. What if for what ever reason Proto becomes worth more coin for coin than Uno. Is it any less 'real' now? It is not.

Is it cool to see how the chains will interact with each other? Sure. Could using one chain to back up the authenticity of another chain make all of this stuff that much more secure? I hope so. I really don't know what the possibilities are for Proto. I do have some ideas as to how it will impact Uno's valuation in the short term and none of them are really positive imho but i am a big boy and can cope with this stuff.

I certainly appreciate the work that people put forth and won't bitch any more about Proto.

Yes I'm not happy to. This prototype cloning chain must remain off the people hands it is for the DEVS only to build and experiment! Why to have option to downloaded Pr if I am not a dev. And don't  exchanged it ever please-there is uno for that! If I discover Uno just now and want to invest this kind cloning things will turn me off. THERE is only one chain- the unobtanium. No cloning chains pease. Shut this thing down man and keep it as 'training , experimenting' in the future. Just my direct opinion.

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August 01, 2015, 07:15:56 PM
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I don't understand how this is hard to understand in 2015. I guess nobody has used a coin's testnet. It's simply "fake" coins to play with for testing purposes. If you just want to play around with UNO but not spare your real coins, then you can test mine the testnet, send coins for testing without worry of losing your Unobtanium. If you don't want to play with test coins from the testnet blockchain, then do nothing with it.

Lol save the condescension. When someone releases a wallet for the masses, the only thing missing from making this 'fake' coin 'real', is being listed on any 'legit' exchange. What you said can be said about any coin, if you don't like it, don't look.

We can go into the whole debate on 'what is real' if you would like.

All Hag did was release another coin. It really has little to do with Uno aside from having the same stats and distro which sort of pulls away from the uniqueness of Uno.

Another perspective, playing devils advocate. What if for what ever reason Proto becomes worth more coin for coin than Uno. Is it any less 'real' now? It is not.

Is it cool to see how the chains will interact with each other? Sure. Could using one chain to back up the authenticity of another chain make all of this stuff that much more secure? I hope so. I really don't know what the possibilities are for Proto. I do have some ideas as to how it will impact Uno's valuation in the short term and none of them are really positive imho but i am a big boy and can cope with this stuff.

I certainly appreciate the work that people put forth and won't bitch any more about Proto.

Yes I'm not happy to. This prototype cloning chain must remain off the people hands it is for the DEVS only to build and experiment! Why to have option to downloaded Pr if I am not a dev. And don't  exchanged it ever please-there is uno for that! If I discover Uno just now and want to invest this kind cloning things will turn me off. THERE is only one chain- the unobtanium. No cloning chains pease. Shut this thing down man and keep it as 'training , experimenting' in the future. Just my direct opinion.

Its not another coin; last time I'm going to say it. Its a client that accesses the Un testnet without needing any command line switches and lets you send coins from one network to the other. I thought my original post was quite clear about this... It lets people re-mine Un if they want to--its not a secret, its not a hidden 'dev' only network; its been in the clients for a long time, but nearly no one has utilized it. I suppose you can argue that there's no real reason to access it and use it; but then I'd argue that there's no real reason to use ANY coins--they are all a choice thing.

Why didn't people use testnets very often? Because testnet is a hassle to use in many coins. But why would you want to? Because the coins are identical, the mining is the same (for proven coins that can mean another round of mining with exceptional properties), and because, why not? Its in there--so go for it! If you think about it--some services simply don't support testnet connections, and the difficulty of using testnet at times can be a way for one or two miners to quietly mine the entire network for themselves. I don't know if testnet coins will ever come in to fashion--but why should anyone care if want to mine them and make it easy for others to do the same?

If you don't like it, ignore it. If you want to use it, download and use it. It doesn't detract from Un because it doesn't take anything away from Un. I don't expect it to make it to an exchange anyway, its simply a "thing" you can do that's Un related, giving some easy mining and the ability for those of us who don't have a huge chunk of the Un coinbase to relive the hey-day of mining a coin we genuinely care about in a new fashion.

This is my last blurb about it, I'm not here to try and defend something that thought you'd all get a kick out of. I'm sorry it seems I'm trying to throw oil in the water, I'm really not.
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August 01, 2015, 08:20:47 PM
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I don't understand how this is hard to understand in 2015. I guess nobody has used a coin's testnet. It's simply "fake" coins to play with for testing purposes. If you just want to play around with UNO but not spare your real coins, then you can test mine the testnet, send coins for testing without worry of losing your Unobtanium. If you don't want to play with test coins from the testnet blockchain, then do nothing with it.

Lol save the condescension. When someone releases a wallet for the masses, the only thing missing from making this 'fake' coin 'real', is being listed on any 'legit' exchange. What you said can be said about any coin, if you don't like it, don't look.

We can go into the whole debate on 'what is real' if you would like.

All Hag did was release another coin. It really has little to do with Uno aside from having the same stats and distro which sort of pulls away from the uniqueness of Uno.

Another perspective, playing devils advocate. What if for what ever reason Proto becomes worth more coin for coin than Uno. Is it any less 'real' now? It is not.

Is it cool to see how the chains will interact with each other? Sure. Could using one chain to back up the authenticity of another chain make all of this stuff that much more secure? I hope so. I really don't know what the possibilities are for Proto. I do have some ideas as to how it will impact Uno's valuation in the short term and none of them are really positive imho but i am a big boy and can cope with this stuff.

I certainly appreciate the work that people put forth and won't bitch any more about Proto.

Yes I'm not happy to. This prototype cloning chain must remain off the people hands it is for the DEVS only to build and experiment! Why to have option to downloaded Pr if I am not a dev. And don't  exchanged it ever please-there is uno for that! If I discover Uno just now and want to invest this kind cloning things will turn me off. THERE is only one chain- the unobtanium. No cloning chains pease. Shut this thing down man and keep it as 'training , experimenting' in the future. Just my direct opinion.

Its not another coin; last time I'm going to say it. Its a client that accesses the Un testnet without needing any command line switches and lets you send coins from one network to the other. I thought my original post was quite clear about this... It lets people re-mine Un if they want to--its not a secret, its not a hidden 'dev' only network; its been in the clients for a long time, but nearly no one has utilized it. I suppose you can argue that there's no real reason to access it and use it; but then I'd argue that there's no real reason to use ANY coins--they are all a choice thing.

Why didn't people use testnets very often? Because testnet is a hassle to use in many coins. But why would you want to? Because the coins are identical, the mining is the same (for proven coins that can mean another round of mining with exceptional properties), and because, why not? Its in there--so go for it! If you think about it--some services simply don't support testnet connections, and the difficulty of using testnet at times can be a way for one or two miners to quietly mine the entire network for themselves. I don't know if testnet coins will ever come in to fashion--but why should anyone care if want to mine them and make it easy for others to do the same?

If you don't like it, ignore it. If you want to use it, download and use it. It doesn't detract from Un because it doesn't take anything away from Un. I don't expect it to make it to an exchange anyway, its simply a "thing" you can do that's Un related, giving some easy mining and the ability for those of us who don't have a huge chunk of the Un coinbase to relive the hey-day of mining a coin we genuinely care about in a new fashion.

This is my last blurb about it, I'm not here to try and defend something that thought you'd all get a kick out of. I'm sorry it seems I'm trying to throw oil in the water, I'm really not.


It really isn't your fault blazr, you can't explain magical properties to people that don't grasp magic.

The way you strengthen blockchains and keep them secure (and therefore valuable) is having things like these.


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August 01, 2015, 11:27:12 PM
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"If you want to use it, download and use it. It doesn't detract from Un because it doesn't take anything away from Un. I don't expect it to make it to an exchange anyway, its simply a "thing" you can do that's Un related, giving some easy mining and the ability for those of us who don't have a huge chunk of the Un coinbase to relive the hey-day of mining a coin we genuinely care about in a new fashion."

Okay!

A third person has received Proto from the faucet, and I will happily spend some Uno to get more Proto for the faucet.

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"If you want to use it, download and use it. It doesn't detract from Un because it doesn't take anything away from Un. I don't expect it to make it to an exchange anyway, its simply a "thing" you can do that's Un related, giving some easy mining and the ability for those of us who don't have a huge chunk of the Un coinbase to relive the hey-day of mining a coin we genuinely care about in a new fashion."

Okay!

A third person has received Proto from the faucet, and I will happily spend some Uno to get more Proto for the faucet.

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All I get is nasty PMs and deleted messages. "Don't accept wooden nickels"

ETA to message deletion: Next time UNO community reads this.


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August 02, 2015, 04:22:04 AM
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I don't understand how this is hard to understand in 2015. I guess nobody has used a coin's testnet. It's simply "fake" coins to play with for testing purposes. If you just want to play around with UNO but not spare your real coins, then you can test mine the testnet, send coins for testing without worry of losing your Unobtanium. If you don't want to play with test coins from the testnet blockchain, then do nothing with it.

Lol save the condescension. When someone releases a wallet for the masses, the only thing missing from making this 'fake' coin 'real', is being listed on any 'legit' exchange. What you said can be said about any coin, if you don't like it, don't look.

We can go into the whole debate on 'what is real' if you would like.

All Hag did was release another coin. It really has little to do with Uno aside from having the same stats and distro which sort of pulls away from the uniqueness of Uno.

Another perspective, playing devils advocate. What if for what ever reason Proto becomes worth more coin for coin than Uno. Is it any less 'real' now? It is not.

Is it cool to see how the chains will interact with each other? Sure. Could using one chain to back up the authenticity of another chain make all of this stuff that much more secure? I hope so. I really don't know what the possibilities are for Proto. I do have some ideas as to how it will impact Uno's valuation in the short term and none of them are really positive imho but i am a big boy and can cope with this stuff.

I certainly appreciate the work that people put forth and won't bitch any more about Proto.

Yes I'm not happy to. This prototype cloning chain must remain off the people hands it is for the DEVS only to build and experiment! Why to have option to downloaded Pr if I am not a dev. And don't  exchanged it ever please-there is uno for that! If I discover Uno just now and want to invest this kind cloning things will turn me off. THERE is only one chain- the unobtanium. No cloning chains pease. Shut this thing down man and keep it as 'training , experimenting' in the future. Just my direct opinion.

Its not another coin; last time I'm going to say it. Its a client that accesses the Un testnet without needing any command line switches and lets you send coins from one network to the other. I thought my original post was quite clear about this... It lets people re-mine Un if they want to--its not a secret, its not a hidden 'dev' only network; its been in the clients for a long time, but nearly no one has utilized it. I suppose you can argue that there's no real reason to access it and use it; but then I'd argue that there's no real reason to use ANY coins--they are all a choice thing.

Why didn't people use testnets very often? Because testnet is a hassle to use in many coins. But why would you want to? Because the coins are identical, the mining is the same (for proven coins that can mean another round of mining with exceptional properties), and because, why not? Its in there--so go for it! If you think about it--some services simply don't support testnet connections, and the difficulty of using testnet at times can be a way for one or two miners to quietly mine the entire network for themselves. I don't know if testnet coins will ever come in to fashion--but why should anyone care if want to mine them and make it easy for others to do the same?

If you don't like it, ignore it. If you want to use it, download and use it. It doesn't detract from Un because it doesn't take anything away from Un. I don't expect it to make it to an exchange anyway, its simply a "thing" you can do that's Un related, giving some easy mining and the ability for those of us who don't have a huge chunk of the Un coinbase to relive the hey-day of mining a coin we genuinely care about in a new fashion.

This is my last blurb about it, I'm not here to try and defend something that thought you'd all get a kick out of. I'm sorry it seems I'm trying to throw oil in the water, I'm really not.


It really isn't your fault blazr, you can't explain magical properties to people that don't grasp magic.

The way you strengthen blockchains and keep them secure (and therefore valuable) is having things like these.

It is a testnet blockchain identical as un ,but is from Un and have no value for now...only look like independent bloc chain coin ,but is not -just have wallet purple ...the pink wallet is testnet to ,but something diferente.... come-on guys are you kidding me -it is SO CONFUSING ! Get ready  new people going to ask non stop questions about this

and Siameze my friend I am non tech guy ,but in my life I love the  magic the most! Smiley

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August 02, 2015, 11:19:11 AM
Last edit: August 02, 2015, 11:35:25 AM by BitcoinNational
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@Sirsmokes

I think your concern is valid.  So worthy of consideration.

But testnet (pure clone) coins will never come into fashion ... least not in the next 999 days or more.  Very safe bet.
Even if Bryce comes out of retirement and tweets 24/7 about it.
No worries about a short term capital drain on UNO or some kind of competition.

At best/worst proto holds trade value within a small subset of UNOs inner nerdom.

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Easiest way to explain it to the confused folks of the future...
 
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August 02, 2015, 05:23:25 PM
Last edit: August 02, 2015, 11:52:55 PM by FallingKnife
 #9671

Don't forget the fun and useful services online for UNO at https://cryptap.us/uno/

Paper wallets, Online java wallets, brain wallet, rich list, vanity addresses, explorer, fun dice games, and something new called co-pay that I have to check out.

Thanks to Cryptapus for all this. Go over and explore.

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August 02, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Last edit: August 02, 2015, 06:06:45 PM by BitcoinNational
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I really would like to test some kinda community "Smart" uno contracts with co-pay or standard multi-sigs.
Lacking the cleverness on how2 do it.

"Wallet Secret Required"??

"Master extended private key"??

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August 02, 2015, 06:31:29 PM
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I really would like to test some kinda community "Smart" uno contracts with co-pay or standard multi-sigs.
Lacking the cleverness on how2 do it.

"Wallet Secret Required"??

"Master extended private key"??

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co-pay, java, and the android


I can do on blockchain contracts, not sure exactly what you have in mind.


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August 02, 2015, 09:48:17 PM
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I have in mind just testing/playing.

concept: 4 signatures on contract, 3 of 4 required to execute payment.

example:
1. the contract / (or bet) = "Will UNO trade above $3 before Sept 1st 2015"+amount+address payable
2. party A vs. party B ... if true do X
3. party A selects a 'sponsor'(partyC) AND party B selects a 'sponsor'(partyD)
4. execution requires A or B signatures (AND both signatures C AND D)
5. ELSE if false do Y (send the money back if times out without 3 of 4 signatures)

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August 02, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
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I have in mind just testing/playing.

concept: 4 signatures on contract, 3 of 4 required to execute payment.

example:
1. the contract / (or bet) = "Will UNO trade above $3 before Sept 1st 2015"+amount+address payable
2. party A vs. party B ... if true do X
3. party A selects a 'sponsor'(partyC) AND party B selects a 'sponsor'(partyD)
4. execution requires A or B signatures (AND both signatures C AND D)
5. ELSE if false do Y (send the money back if times out without 3 of 4 signatures)

Already been done in Ruby: https://github.com/t4t5/BitBet   There is a good Python implementation out there too.


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Project Point Oh One

'I have of late -- but wherefore I know not -- lost all my mirth'

We used to talk about price all the time. Let's start again.

.01 is a fair baseline price for Unobtanium, isn't it? At least for the mean time?

Who has ideas for nudging up both price and volume? I have started one little project.

@ Proto: is anyone mining? I offer 1 Uno for 80 P. -- 20% increase (want 'em for my friends, a project, the faucet, and to get stupid rich on)

@ Shinohai and B.N.: go, Your Project! B.N. explained some of this a while ago, and I wanna learn.

Noo Era, go!
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Can;t solo mine with asic on PROTO, maybe some one have a pool or some.

Since I saw difficulty around 20,000-35,000 today and yesterday.

So there is some private pool for PROTO for sure.

Edit: Should we need a proto new thread ?


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@ Lin0sspice: the polite thing is for the Proto Project to work mostly here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1140354.0

But we can post information here on the main thread too because Proto is part of Uno.

Please teach me all you can about the mining pools etc.

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Many traders seem to relate the price of Un now to the dollar, which is in that $2-$2.50 range for the moment..

RE: let's talk price

The graph was 1 year ago.  And UNO is up 100% on btc.  Holding UNO got you twice what holding BTC would.
Nevermind the fact that UN is now merge mine-able, devs are developing, community growing, markets expanding ... STILL 'in that $2-$2.50 range for the moment'.

So the question is UNO pegged to BTC or $?
Answer both.  
The 0.01 btc pegg'rs are losing out to the $2.50 pegg'rs.
But we are also on a long run accumulation phase, so 100% spike up is possible. (Already tested that range mind you)

But the plot thickens.

UNO is starting to attach pegs in other pairs.
LTC, Doge, DOT, FTC, and many more.

Here is a new pair possibility
https://nxtforum.org/nxt-plugins/shapeshift-integration-plugin/

NXT -[shapeshift]- UNO

point is this ... just like UNO provides ultimate low gravity 'inflation' while also being Top 5 hash power network ... when I get just that simple concept to click in my head i am dumbstruck ... NOW we add super-duper-market-stickyness to UNO ... meaning one market can get stabbed or pumped ... but the universal price stays stabilized ... and we already have awesome 'spot' buoyancy ... it just is going to get much better.
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2. https://bitsig.io ... write in the blockchain, timestamping.  Would this benefit UNO have a service like that too? Or better to timestamp Uno based contracts in some other guys blokechain?

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