[UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Merge Mine w/BTC! - Update NOW to qt 0.11.5

[Gekko463]

I wonder if anyone for a mind for design and marketing might want to start an UNO magazine. I know the Bitcoin magazine did a lot for bitcoin and those early journalists happily accepted BTC for payment. I know I'd write for UNO.

A magazine for 200 people?  That you want SOMEBODY ELSE to do?  Do it yourself or STFU.  200 people own this coin.  Deal with it.

What is "Enterprise"?.  I thought this was a commodity.  You want it to be a currency again?

"How do we get coin into the hands of new users?"

I did this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2zfmi7/uno_giveaway/

And got Chinese translations done for the OP here and the website.  Working on getting a Weibo translator and a translator for articles to be published in Chinese.  Because I asked myself "how do we get coin into the hands of new users", and then I just DID STUFF instead of posting idle questions waiting for someone else to do stuff.

I am not done.

Australia:  pull heads out of asses.  

"And I believe citizens of the U.S. say, ‘E pluribus unum."

No.  Citizens of the U.S. Say:

Insider Trading
Cartel
Market Manipulation
RICO Laws

Pull heads out of asses.

"Ask not what I and the others here actively putting coins into the hands of new people can do more for you to make the price rise, ask what you can do that is not monopolistic and really, really against the law and prohibits free market price finding."

Ask what assets can move on the Internet.  Precious metals cannot move on the Internet, therefore are useless as a hedge.

Go ahead girls.  Give it to me.

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[IanRidgwell]

Hodling eternally will not provide the coin with value. It is foolish to think the fate of other coin communities that did just that will not befall our own.

Some people may believe the commodity option is the only marketing avenue of commodity like crypto currencies but I think that's missing out on a lot of what crypto-currencies can offer. Not to mention commodity/currencies aren't a new concept (although the term is used to mean something else) and offer the best of both worlds especially with the utility of the internet underpinning crypto coin technology.

If you choose to ignore the additional potential go ahead each to their own, however those of who capitalize on the coins utility can do nothing but increase the value through use, so I don't see how hostility does anything except harm the community.

[sloopy]

I wonder if anyone for a mind for design and marketing might want to start an UNO magazine. I know the Bitcoin magazine did a lot for bitcoin and those early journalists happily accepted BTC for payment. I know I'd write for UNO.

A magazine for 200 people?  That you want SOMEBODY ELSE to do?  Do it yourself or STFU.  200 people own this coin.  Deal with it.

What is "Enterprise"?.  I thought this was a commodity.  You want it to be a currency again?

"How do we get coin into the hands of new users?"

I did this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2zfmi7/uno_giveaway/

And got Chinese translations done for the OP here and the website.  Working on getting a Weibo translator and a translator for articles to be published in Chinese.  Because I asked myself "how do we get coin into the hands of new users", and then I just DID STUFF instead of posting idle questions waiting for someone else to do stuff.

I am not done.

Australia:  pull heads out of asses.  

"And I believe citizens of the U.S. say, ‘E pluribus unum."

No.  Citizens of the U.S. Say:

Insider Trading
Cartel
Market Manipulation
RICO Laws

Pull heads out of asses.

"Ask not what I and the others here actively putting coins into the hands of new people can do more for you to make the price rise, ask what you can do that is not monopolistic and really, really against the law and prohibits free market price finding."

Ask what assets can move on the Internet.  Precious metals cannot move on the Internet, therefore are useless as a hedge.

Go ahead girls.  Give it to me.

This Gekko guy is right on the money people. Why can you not see it?
He is doing tremendous things to UNO.
The biggest will be to make sure no one wants to deal with an asshole like him and people will run from UNO like it is rabies.

Seriously man, get a grip on yourself. You could do the greatest things ever done for any coin in the world, but no one likes an egotistical dick. How could you even be a reasonable person in charge of any project for this community with such a pissy attitude?

People will not participate in a venture where it appears the loudest voice is someone like you. People want to speculate, throw out suggestions, try on a different pair of shoes, etc
Stop being so obnoxious and give everyone their fair shake at whatever they want to try. You would surprise yourself with how accepting of your ideas people will be after hearing you whine like a bitch for another few pages. I can confidently say you get more with reasonable debate and conversation than the way you are.

Do you need a hug? IT seems like you come here to take out your sad depressing days on others who are only trying to post on this forum. Lighten up, let your hair down and have a drink.

[Gekko463]

I wonder if anyone for a mind for design and marketing might want to start an UNO magazine. I know the Bitcoin magazine did a lot for bitcoin and those early journalists happily accepted BTC for payment. I know I'd write for UNO.

A magazine for 200 people?  That you want SOMEBODY ELSE to do?  Do it yourself or STFU.  200 people own this coin.  Deal with it.

What is "Enterprise"?.  I thought this was a commodity.  You want it to be a currency again?

"How do we get coin into the hands of new users?"

I did this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2zfmi7/uno_giveaway/

And got Chinese translations done for the OP here and the website.  Working on getting a Weibo translator and a translator for articles to be published in Chinese.  Because I asked myself "how do we get coin into the hands of new users", and then I just DID STUFF instead of posting idle questions waiting for someone else to do stuff.

I am not done.

Australia:  pull heads out of asses.  

"And I believe citizens of the U.S. say, ‘E pluribus unum."

No.  Citizens of the U.S. Say:

Insider Trading
Cartel
Market Manipulation
RICO Laws

Pull heads out of asses.

"Ask not what I and the others here actively putting coins into the hands of new people can do more for you to make the price rise, ask what you can do that is not monopolistic and really, really against the law and prohibits free market price finding."

Ask what assets can move on the Internet.  Precious metals cannot move on the Internet, therefore are useless as a hedge.

Go ahead girls.  Give it to me.

This Gekko guy is right on the money people. Why can you not see it?
He is doing tremendous things to UNO.
The biggest will be to make sure no one wants to deal with an asshole like him and people will run from UNO like it is rabies.

Seriously man, get a grip on yourself. You could do the greatest things ever done for any coin in the world, but no one likes an egotistical dick. How could you even be a reasonable person in charge of any project for this community with such a pissy attitude?

People will not participate in a venture where it appears the loudest voice is someone like you. People want to speculate, throw out suggestions, try on a different pair of shoes, etc
Stop being so obnoxious and give everyone their fair shake at whatever they want to try. You would surprise yourself with how accepting of your ideas people will be after hearing you whine like a bitch for another few pages. I can confidently say you get more with reasonable debate and conversation than the way you are.

Do you need a hug? IT seems like you come here to take out your sad depressing days on others who are only trying to post on this forum. Lighten up, let your hair down and have a drink.

Hug my nuts Sloopy.  Asshole?  Get a grip?  Blow me.

Weren't you the Dev for like 10 minutes then quit? 

This isn't dogecoin--you don't have to like me.  I meant every single word of what I wrote and I am getting PM's from people saying that they wish they had the balls to say what I said.  A lot of people think "the Guild" is creepy and weird and the insider trading confuses people.

I do things.  I don't idly dream aloud and wait for other people to do things.

If Ian Ridgewell wants to make a magazine he should make a magazine.  If he wants to put UNO into more hands, he should go to other communities and give away some coins.  He is welcome to talk about it when he has done it or needs help doing it but he needs to do.

And if I hear one more word about silver bars here without an explaination of how you are going to ship a silver bar to the communist country with the corrupt customs agents through the Internet that I live in to "back my UNO" I am going to scream and dump.

Blow me Sloopy.  You don't have to like me. 

[FallingKnife]

Ok.  I need a different tone here.

Please don't make me be a moderator. I hate that, but I don't see this tone as constructive, helpful, useful or even interesting.

I will be moderating posts for the next 48 hours below this one for language and personal attacks.

Don't like it? Start a different thread and I'll join you there.

[IanRidgwell]

Regarding 'giving coins to people'

I don't see any value in Faucets. Its giving coin to people who don't grow the community of benefit the value of the coin.

The time it takes for someone to receive a faucet coin of 5c or half a cent or whatever amount is not justifiable. If its less than a cup of coffee or a beer then what is the point.

Faucets are the equivalent of rich people throwing pennies at beggars. It's insulting, cheapens the coin and does nothing or at least very little for value (IMHO). The time of getting rich off faucet coin has come and gone and nobody with any coin history is seriously collecting faucet coin and we should treat our new users with some respect.

Combined with a marketing strategy or a promotional giveaway I'll concede the worth of a faucet (IBM's raining money was pretty awesome) but just throwing shrapnel at beggars isn't productivity, its not business, its just a gross display of personal wealth.

Lets not forget that not all beggars are poor either, some exploit the system just as some exploit faucets. Exploitation is rife within the coin communities on multiple levels through multiple means.

If we want to distribute coin without some kind of socialistic benevolent wonder outlet we need to do it through commercial productivity. We need to buy and sell services and products because trading can't be the end game. Trading is zero sum, and if we keep 'trading' at the expense of other avenues we will eventually only trade against each other. A big circle jerk of traders pretending to be rich with each others coin, commodity, currency or otherwise.

Trading is great, its where I make my pennies right now, but it is not a pittance of what the technology embodies. Why waste all that potential.

[BitcoinNational]

Faucets ... cheapens the coin (maybe) but it is proven not so effective.  Why? because bots rape the majority of the loot.
And free coins cheapen the coin.  TRUE.

Yet I don't mind re-engineering the Faucet concept.

1. Gekkos 'uno rain' on reddit/doge (social media rain dance parties and tipbots)
2. contests/games/fun
3. bounties/jobs2do

These are the same idea as faucets but seem to be more effective at creating community expansion.

For new guys/gals who want a few grams.
For testing purposes only.
Why not route them here and I am sure a few grams will be had for the asking.
For lurkers that's a hint to post

FAUCET for WEBSITES
For the website(s) why not a simple email form and they must tell us why they want free UNO.  
(that should weed out the bots)  


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ShapeShift is UNO okay again

Emily (ShapeShift)

Jun 21, 16:06

Hi, there. It is temporary. Our team is dealing with a few bugs but hopes to get everything back up and running correctly within the next 24 to 48 hours. So sorry for this issue!

We should look at coinomatic as the #2 instant exchange.

Instant Rate
1.00 BTC = 82.4521 UNO
1.00 UNO = 00.01016505 BTC

What is "Enterprise"?  THIS
ShapeShift/coinomatic/and-the-next-guy

Any cryptoHolder can Any cryptoMerchant
(at some point All the echange rate fuss will be user friendly coded over and 100% in the background)

[IanRidgwell]

As I said. Using faucets as part of a marketing project fine. The faucet works with the project as a whole. Setting faucets up on distant parts of the internet, I see value in it.

Faucets for websites... I think were on the same page here.
Remember these things
http://www.spiralwishingwells.com
What if we moved to do the opposite of a faucet and get tiny amounts of goodwill coin into deserving hands. Hands which will then need to find something to do with it. If they Hodl oh well. If they then go on to find a buyer or a product we have moved that particular coin into a transnational mode. Its working for the community benefiting all including the aforementioned deserving individual. If your really into it, set it up for a charity of choice though I think it would be more productive to put it i the hands of content creators. They are in a position to market the coin they have received which rewards us all.

Bounties. Yes. Agree 100% Bounties work twofold.
1. Community gets stuff done.
2. We are encouraging the people involved in the getting stuff done to do it right by having their payment rely on their performance. Mutual benefit is a powerful contract among peers.

[HagbardCeline]

I personally would very much like to see the microscope back.  I really liked the old wallet, simple, clear, stylish and very obviously Unobtanium.

You're in luck my friend:

https://i.imgur.com/XF8JbXM.png
https://i.imgur.com/iQOjLzH.png
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/56c39a4f9318bddba9a3f848907048049040a696a08de22dacc2684b529dcab2/analysis/1435296868/

Windows: https://23skidoo.info/Unobtanium-blueschist.zip
MD5:4ff71d26a4e6a033b3e8cf1a4f83cad1

I've finished putting the Vault back the way it should be, and the microscope returns! Now that I'm a bit more comfy with the QT5 design (not too much different), I'll start fiddling with some new design ideas based on some of the images in thread--slowly though, I'm not a graphic designer. Should have a Mac version next.

I've pushed a pull request to the main Un github, don't know how/when BW will merge it: https://github.com/unobtanium-official/Unobtanium/pull/22 In the meanwhile, just use mine at https://github.com/thegreatoldone/Unobtanium. I made a couple other small updates, replaced coinworks seednodes, removed 'Core' branding, updated some visual stuff, set coincontrol features to be on by default. May be a bit before I get back around to the 9th digit--most of the light groundwork I started on is gone in the 0.10x branch--but that's ok, I wasn't too far along with it quite yet and as someone mentioned above, it was only a placeholder for the moment.

Enjoy--I know I am getting back in to the swing of things. An upgrade to OFF is coming up next. Nice to see the Blazr2 coins featured at Cryptopia today--thanks! Also mad thanks to you all for the OFF Un tips (doh, it was late--though I am certainly up for Offerings). I do ever so appreciate every single one, though I must admit I may buy some Skidoo, Flax, and Offerings with them on Cryptopia ;-) Cheers to you all, a brilliant community!

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[IanRidgwell]

Awesome to see.
I too liked the simple and clear style.

[BitcoinNational]

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hit it

Glad to hear OFF tips carry tender for PRO dev work.  Blazr2 coins.  Support the cause.

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other stuff
http://mecometer.com/topic/budget-surplus-deficit/
what if we concentrated on being the mone-unit for surplus nations (looks like they are oil rich and u$d overstocked)

[Gekko463]

Regarding 'giving coins to people'

I don't see any value in Faucets. Its giving coin to people who don't grow the community of benefit the value of the coin.

The time it takes for someone to receive a faucet coin of 5c or half a cent or whatever amount is not justifiable. If its less than a cup of coffee or a beer then what is the point.

Faucets are the equivalent of rich people throwing pennies at beggars. It's insulting, cheapens the coin and does nothing or at least very little for value (IMHO). The time of getting rich off faucet coin has come and gone and nobody with any coin history is seriously collecting faucet coin and we should treat our new users with some respect.

Combined with a marketing strategy or a promotional giveaway I'll concede the worth of a faucet (IBM's raining money was pretty awesome) but just throwing shrapnel at beggars isn't productivity, its not business, its just a gross display of personal wealth.

Lets not forget that not all beggars are poor either, some exploit the system just as some exploit faucets. Exploitation is rife within the coin communities on multiple levels through multiple means.

If we want to distribute coin without some kind of socialistic benevolent wonder outlet we need to do it through commercial productivity. We need to buy and sell services and products because trading can't be the end game. Trading is zero sum, and if we keep 'trading' at the expense of other avenues we will eventually only trade against each other. A big circle jerk of traders pretending to be rich with each others coin, commodity, currency or otherwise.

Trading is great, its where I make my pennies right now, but it is not a pittance of what the technology embodies. Why waste all that potential.

I do not advocate, nor have I ever engaged in faucets.  Your entire response had nothing to do with what I did discuss:  doing things instead of talking about things which you suggest somebody else should do.

I did a rain on /r/dogecoin where I educated, engaged and taught people about UNO and opened over 20 new well educated wallets.  I kept a record of those wallets and can see if they bought more.  I am too busy.

The other issue I addressed, and you ignored to discuss "Faucets" was all of the insistence on promoting what is essentially a monopolistic insider trading scheme, based on physical assets like precious metals, which have no basis for utility in an online world.

Then Sloppy came and verbally abused me.  You ignored my charges and talked about something else.  Are you in Politics?

Address the issues I brought up.  The "Guild" is an embarrassing low tech insider trading scheme against the law in most jurisdictions. You can not "back" crypto with metal, since you can't make me whole if you can't give me metal.  You and IMZ are spinning your wheels on something silly and insisting it be front and center on the unobtanium.uno page.

I propose all references to it be banished from that page, and I know for fact many others agree.  Do what you want, but insider trading is not part of the UNO branding.

Votes?

[learminer]

Address the issues I brought up.  The "Guild" is an embarrassing low tech insider trading scheme against the law in most jurisdictions. You can not "back" crypto with metal, since you can't make me whole if you can't give me metal.  You and IMZ are spinning your wheels on something silly and insisting it be front and center on the unobtanium.uno page.

I propose all references to it be banished from that page, and I know for fact many others agree.  Do what you want, but insider trading is not part of the UNO branding.

Votes?

You're making asumptions, nobody insisted (or even requested) anything. I put up information on the (then still called Un-Ex) Guild on my own, because I thought it was an interesting aspect to this community. Note I have never participated in Un-Ex, I just saw many core and long term members of this community start using it and thought it would make a good addition. I was/am actually a bit concerned about the placement on unobtnaium.uno being a bit too prominent for an "un-official" piece of content, but decided to keep it close to the exchange section, as it fits well there thematically.

If there are any concerns about that and/or the placement on the website in the community, please by all means lets discuss this (or send me a PM). So far not a single soul has mentioned something to me about this. Since you are obviously educated on the legalities regarding these matters, care to elaborate your concerns for a hobbyist with little trading/financial background?

[Gekko463]

Address the issues I brought up.  The "Guild" is an embarrassing low tech insider trading scheme against the law in most jurisdictions. You can not "back" crypto with metal, since you can't make me whole if you can't give me metal.  You and IMZ are spinning your wheels on something silly and insisting it be front and center on the unobtanium.uno page.

I propose all references to it be banished from that page, and I know for fact many others agree.  Do what you want, but insider trading is not part of the UNO branding.

Votes?

You're making asumptions, nobody insisted (or even requested) anything. I put up information on the (then still called Un-Ex) Guild on my own, because I thought it was an interesting aspect to this community. Note I have never participated in Un-Ex, I just saw many core and long term members of this community start using it and thought it would make a good addition. I was/am actually a bit concerned about the placement on unobtnaium.uno being a bit too prominent for an "un-official" piece of content, but decided to keep it close to the exchange section, as it fits well there thematically.

If there are any concerns about that and/or the placement on the website in the community, please by all means lets discuss this (or send me a PM). So far not a single soul has mentioned something to me about this. Since you are obviously educated on the legalities regarding these matters, care to elaborate your concerns for a hobbyist with little trading/financial background?

I propose, quite vigorously, that it be removed, no blame upon you sir.

As to the illegality in proper markets of insider trading and exclusive "cliques" permitted to trade "off Floor" in a club atmosphere, where only certain "types" of people are permitted to benefit from the secret prices, I give you this exchange:



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It is outright fraud.

Community Announcement:

I have learned this week that participation in "UN-Ex" and it's "Trusted Trader" program relies not on your integrity, nor does it rely upon your financial solvency.

It simply relies on whether IMZ likes you or not.

And that is more than a flaw.

It is outright fraud.

Details?  PM me for copies of IMZ's communications with me.

You were bounced because you were not a fit, it was not IMZ's call.

As a community we chose not to take your money, not to include you in the process because fears you were or might become a fraud or a chaotic rogue element. We are protecting our reputations and the reputation of our community by rejecting you before you were in a position to damage it.

Your personality is chaotic, your behaviour unprofessional and your calling us out as "fraud" is validation of this. healthy communities require community involvement and solidarity not individual mavericks. There are plenty of communities that endorse and embrace that kind of behaviour, I try not to be part of them. We are real people, investing our lives and finances into a serious project. Should Un-Ex move to that kind of environment I would move on, as I expect would many. The personalities within the community are large and vocal but they share respect even over disagreements.

My reason was your vitriol, justified or not there is a way to communicate amongst peers that is mutually respectful, despite opposing ideologies and viewpoints.

At the end of the day it is our community and we have a right to manage and maintain it at our discretion.
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And how was I not "fit"?  I executed and had to wait 24 hours for IMZ to deliver.  Nice system.

So you simply don't like me.  You are running a private club.  You are not developing some sort of paradigm shattering trust system to facilitate trading.

You are just forming a private cartel to collude and manipulate prices (Coretanium).

You are raising funding and forming an organization to engage in "insider trading".

I showed you successful examples of exactly what you are trying to do (/r/Dogemarket)

Here is my reputation for over a year there:  http://www.reddit.com/r/dogemarket/comments/1tk8o8/official_verification_thread_ii/ceaxnco

I suggested that Uno itself could be an excellent escrow vehicle to manage trade insurance between members here.  This really pissed off IMZ, Because it is not convoluted enough.

Listen, I give no shits.  I do think that I will stick to trading on the exchange, where I Know nobody, nobody knows me, I am only as good as my money and I have never been robbed.

I see no real advantages to your whole project.  The deals on display here are generally higher than market prices, and this whole thing is you and IMZ trying to get some access and control over other people's coin.

Like me.  Dislike me.  Whatever.  But I will not have you two maniacs anywhere near my coin.  If you are doing what I charge, eventually when regulation comes to these markets, there's a joint cell reserved in the market manipulation wing of crypto prison for you and IMZ.
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Insider trading is against the Law in every juristiction with mature markets on earth.  Which is, despite being in Crypto land, where we trade.

"Un-Ex" is a cartel, designed to interfere with free market price discovery, including "liked" traders, excluding "disliked" traders.  It has nothing to do with solvency, execution or any other business considerations.

Un-ex exists for those who kiss IMZ and Ian Ridgewells asses.

I executed my one trade there immediately.  IMZ took 24 hours, leaving me sleepless in Saigon.

Then he tossed me because he doesn't like me.

Get "Un-Ex" the insider cartel off the OP to this thread, the official website, and any future publicity.

It is dirty, corrupt, and untoward.  Let them do that scummy shit in private.  But do not promote it.  Clean up this coin.

FM
Gekko

(Ever wonder why me and a few other people sign off "FM"?  It means "Fuck Mark" because he's weird and verbos about his weirdness.)

[Gekko463]

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Morning, Gecko!

The situation has come sharply in focus.

[I personally was equivocal. Wanted to present a bright face. The crack about ‘forest for the trees’ was injudicious.]

Even your presence on the Un-Ex thread looks likely to collapse the project. The opportunity to become a member of this trust-alliance is not open to you.

Mark

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not negotiable

[oniromancia]

Number 1 priority should be to preserve longevity at the first place. Those people that were supporting cryptos of the last wave are broken now and can't afford to support more clones while those who have the ability to see what is a really good opportunity and what not will not be broke and can continue to support good fairly distributed cryptos. Actually stupid capital flows towards intelligent capital.

[Gekko463]

Some private comments about Un-EX from your thread mates, identifiers removed:  this is what some people besides me think of splashing Un-Ex all over the place:

Gekko, you really crack me up.  You also (apparently) cause a goddamn bunch of trouble!  Smiley  

But also, you are saying what I've been feeling for some time.  Yeah, yeah, Un-Ex, "Coretanium" (whatever that is) and all that -- it's probably a good thing, but it's also too much all over the goddamn place.  As you say, "Do it.  Knock yourself out."  But please don't throw it in our faces every 24/7.  Really, it's like a frikkin' infomercial.

I didn't want to say anything, and I don't want to say anything publicly.  I think IMZ is a very well-intentioned guy.  He's even got a real Emu bird named UNO (or something like that).  So you gotta give him that.  But I just can't take too much of this Un-Ex shit for ever and ever ad nauseum.

Anyway, please do keep stirring up the pot, tastefully -- as you always do.  It really keeps thing interesting.  Oh, and this one is a jewel ...

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@IMZ:  do not ever take anything I say personally.  Sober, I am a dick.  And I am often drunk.

Neither Mark Twain nor Winston Churchill (the latter who was often both extremely drunk AND a dick) could maybe (possibly) hold a candle to you, well, at least when it comes to crypto currencies...

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Churchill to Lady Astor: "What disguise should I wear tonight to the masquerade ball?"
Lady Astor: "Why don't you come sober, Prime Minister?"

Lady Astor to Churchill: "If you were my husband, I'd poison your tea,"
Curchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I'd drink it!"

Lady Astor to Churchill: "Winston, you are drunk."
Curchill:  "And you, madam, are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning."

[Gekko463]

Hey there,
 curious of the interactions you had with imz, I have concerns of him being the godfather of un ex in the background and denouncing ownership in the public eye


Cheers
Xyz

[Gekko463]

And my comment from last night?  Yet another of your thread mates said this:

Very well said.

I do like you (or at least your online persona), good grief there's some dreamers on the UNO thread.