My taught of plagiarism, spamming and scam in forum.

[DdmrDdmr]

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There was this thread that kept track of ban appeals for a while: BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods). It contains a list of appeals between mid-November 2018 and early July 2019, totalling 67 entries (which is not much really, since most people do not appeal).

The list displays apeals for:
 Legendary: 16
 Hero Member: 10
 Sr. Member: 17
 Full Member: 17
 Member: 4
 Jr. Member: 3

Out of which:
  2   were unbanned (one was framed if I recall correctly, and the other more or less proved it wasn’t him).
 12 got a signature ban (normally for a year or two).
 53 remained banned.

That is just a fraction of all banned accounts really, as the vast majority do no resort to appealing the ban (be it due to their low rank, or knowingly aware of their slip).

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[UserU]

There was this thread that kept track of ban appeals for a while: BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods). It contains a list of appeals between mid-November 2018 and early July 2019, totalling 67 entries (which is not much really, since most people do not appeal).

The list displays apeals for:
 Legendary: 16
 Hero Member: 10
 Sr. Member: 17
 Full Member: 17
 Member: 4
 Jr. Member: 3

Out of which:
  2   were unbanned (one was framed if I recall correctly, and the other more or less proved it wasn’t him).
 12 got a signature ban (normally for a year or two).
 53 remained banned.

That is just a fraction of all banned accounts really, as the vast majority do no resort to appealing the ban (be it due to their low rank, or knowingly aware of their slip).

Thanks for the info. So basically the chances to appeal are very slim unless you have some solid substance to back your case.

But then those list as you mentioned are not up-to-date, so I believe there's way more appeals which have not been added to the count? As we have seen those threads posted on Meta from time to time, but they hardly ever ended on a good note.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Correct. There are a bunch more of appeals, some rather recent, but nobody is keeping track now. The thread I referenced was interesting because it has all the appeals just over a six month period, giving us an idea of how many occur and the likely outcome if the case is not backed by some solid counterarguments and/or the account is considered net positive due to his meaningful posting contributions to the forum over time (the latter are normally those that endedup with a signature ban).

[famososMuertos]

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All information on the subject must always be read!

Now, I think we should remove that stigma of "newbie" by "user", which is not something really important in the objective of the topic in question, but it can remind you that reviewing the rules has no status or experience and consequently make mistakes no matter how much you know them, it is always very close.

Violations of the rule you name "plagiarism, spamming, scam" may be the most common but not the only ones, there are many that can cause prohibitions. So, we must not only read them, we must interpret them in the full sense of their application in the forum.

 

[AakZaki]

Beginners need a process to do the right thing on this forum according to the rules.
But everything can be learned if you try to be a good member and contribute to this forum. Staying away from spamming, plagiarism, off topic and others is prohibited. It would not be profitable to do this.

However, it is very rare to see beginners do and stay away from these prohibited things. Most newbies are only interested in campaigns without thinking about the quality of posts and forum contributions.

beginners must be directed properly so they can become quality members. There is a lot of good education in this forum, improving yourself and developing your account will be very useful in the future.

[Peanutswar]

We are preventing our members to create plagiarism because even in the real world like creating some textbooks and other kinds of content we are preventing this because we are giving credit to the original author or creator.

If you don't want to get plagiarized,

Make your own content, it's not hard if you give quotes to the original creator. Also, get the link too so other people will see the sources and have an idea if you are giving a true statement or not.


We cannot deny that there are some members are copying and paste from the Internet just because of the merit they want to earn this to make rank up easily and to get this they need to look good at their threads. If you want to earn merit be your self look some topic that is not created yet and shares to our forum not just copy and paste instead you read it and understand it.who

[finaleshot2016]

We are preventing our members to create plagiarism because even in the real world like creating some textbooks and other kinds of content we are preventing this because we are giving credit to the original author or creator.

If you don't want to get plagiarized,

Make your own content, it's not hard if you give quotes to the original creator. Also, get the link too so other people will see the sources and have an idea if you are giving a true statement or not.

We cannot deny that there are some members are copying and paste from the Internet just because of the merit they want to earn this to make rank up easily and to get this they need to look good at their threads. If you want to earn merit be your self look some topic that is not created yet and shares to our forum not just copy and paste instead you read it and understand it.who

Agree on this, it's kinda hard to be a content creator because you are trying to share your idea and information. It will be a huge disrespect if someone copied you without giving you credits. Since when I joined the forum, I didn't even try to plagiarize because I know it's wrong. There are many users here trying to plagiarize content due to the greediness of earning profit here and that's very wrong. Building a strong reputation here by creating unique content can be applied to different things. I made myself a content creator and now those that I've learned here were applied to being a gaming content creator.

[GDragon]

One of the reasons some users are prone to plagiarism is because almost all topics they've thought of is already written down before, they do research but found an article about it, and now they are already basing their topics on that article. One way to avoid this is always think of an angle that hasn't been tackle with the same topic or infuse your own experiences with it, do not copy word for word but create your own sentences tackling the topic in a different way, try to make it your own and be original. Always try to think that you will write better than that article. It's not bad to do research cause we all do it, it's a way to avoid plagiarism too, to double check if no one had already created something like that before. And if you wrote the same topic, it will be impossible that you got the same article word for word, there will always be a difference, you're just checking so you're aware on how you can make your article better, you have to have a certain new points about the topic cause if you don't have it, then you are just repeating the same article over and over.

When doing research, you just have to site your sources and try to avoid creating the same thing, you have to find another spot that hasn't been tackle before about the topic, and its not that hard to be original if you are really motivated to create one, you will be prone to plagiarism if your main goal is just to produce a topic and too lazy to think of a new one. 

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

To be as simple as possible, if you can genuinely contribute to an ongoing discussion without having to prove to anyone that your post are merit worthy by appearing smart with copied works, you'll be just fine on the forum. Don't force yourself, it isn't a must to make topic on the forum, you can spend all your time here, acquired as many knowledge as possible and not create any topic but obviously engaging in meaningful conversations. Just don't push yourself to hard because that's usually the reason behind copying someone users work.

The spamming issue can easily be avoided by not trying to turn the forum into some money making platform. If you notice the signature campaigns aren't idea to your posting behavior, resulting to you spamming just to meet up your weekly post qouta then abstain form joining any campaign. Signature campaign participation isn't mandatary on the forum, it's just a privilege that shouldn't be abused.

[samputin]

Why not just give own thoughts about a certain topic. Plagiarism is one of the most forbidden thing that we should not do. We don't own those words so we should credit where we got it.
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That's true. After reading a topic, and want to be part of the discussion, saying how you feel about it or how you think about it is enough. If you want to back your statement with a published article, then go ahead but don't claim it as if it's yours. Always include the source where you got it. As I often say, it's the least we could do to show respect to them and their work.

This forum is not as formal as dissertations or research papers. Just by simply posting the link at the end of your response is enough.

[NavI_027]

If you notice the signature campaigns aren't idea to your posting behavior, resulting to you spamming just to meet up your weekly post qouta then abstain form joining any campaign.

100%, I don't think they will do it. Why? Because money is money. People will chase it even how hard it gets. Spammers/Sh*tposters will keep on thinking that if we can be able to earn through sig campaigns then of course they should as well. However, the sad fact is that it seems they are willing to swallow the toxicity they produced just for few bucks .

Well, that's life. Let's admit that bad posters will exist here forever. We can't totally eradicate it but I'm glad because Merit System is there. I'm hoping they will get tired of doing their stuff in due time.

[BIN-BIN]

Some ought to plagiarized cause they are kind of hefty lazy they can't have their own words, and some don't take credits where they get their information, lazy one as well. On regards with spamming I think it's fully addressed now by the use of merit system.

I think scamming here is a bad idea if ever there's one tries to, their are numerous guys outta here that are active and doesn't condone such acts plus with the trust system in its back.

You are right why most newbies end up plagiarism is due to the fact that they ate so lazy to read a post or article to understand it content and being able to construct a good post or reply to such post and being able to meet the need of other readers and giving out information. Once they cant meet up with that they simply copy other people work and pasting it.

[BIN-BIN]

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There was this thread that kept track of ban appeals for a while: BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods). It contains a list of appeals between mid-November 2018 and early July 2019, totalling 67 entries (which is not much really, since most people do not appeal).

The list displays apeals for:
 Legendary: 16
 Hero Member: 10
 Sr. Member: 17
 Full Member: 17
 Member: 4
 Jr. Member: 3

Out of which:
  2   were unbanned (one was framed if I recall correctly, and the other more or less proved it wasn’t him).
 12 got a signature ban (normally for a year or two).
 53 remained banned.

That is just a fraction of all banned accounts really, as the vast majority do no resort to appealing the ban (be it due to their low rank, or knowingly aware of their slip).

Hundred to thousand of accounts are ban between this period stated, but seeing this low figure in those that actually appealed they ban is some thing the mod should look into. Is either the appeal system is too rigid or the amount of apt accounts are on the increase which is one of the rule is not to create any account on bitcoin talk if you get ban for what ever reason.

[DdmrDdmr]

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The shortest compiled list of forum banned accounts contains over 209K accounts (all time history). The vast majority of those accounts correspond to very low ranks, where by the person behind probably simply accepts it and forgets the forum, or just moves on to his next account (this latter is not allowed really though). The ones that do appeal are likely the ones that have a bit more at stake, with a higher ranked account, and a stronger will to give it a fight.

The appeals I’ve seen often claim to be unaware of ever plagiarizing, only to see an array of plagiarized posts splashed over the appeal thread. A positive outcome normally requires for the banned account to have a certain reputation and be considered a net positive for the forum (i.e. contributes well enough through posts, but made a one-off slip back in the day).

[erikoy]

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You just nailed it. I always tend to follow your post being always on point and I can learn much from it.

There are few posts actually wrote the same thread as OP does and I think there is no wrong to it like every user telling to search for old threads before opening a new thread. It will be applied if new threads will contain the same opinion with older threads and it will be redundant to discuss the same opinion in a different thread.

However, this should not apply to all old threads. Take this an example, there other threads that has created like and this is not redundant because there are new users around and this type of posts is meant for awareness for them.

[Krislaw]

Spamming and plagiarism is even worst when there is no merit system implemented, especially when signature campaign is still a thing the account farmers they post the exact sentence throughout their accounts, and creating a thread and using their other accounts to spam the topic using one sentence.

But atleast now i think the forum has been regulated well, and there are more members that are contributing quality topics to the forum.

[BITCOIN4X]

Spamming and plagiarism is even worst when there is no merit system implemented, especially when signature campaign is still a thing the account farmers they post the exact sentence throughout their accounts, and creating a thread and using their other accounts to spam the topic using one sentence.

But atleast now i think the forum has been regulated well, and there are more members that are contributing quality topics to the forum.

When we are governed by the system, we definitely have to follow it and start learning how it work. Many user have turned into better member with higher ranking because they know thats how they can hit a target and many have to stick to their old position and habit of constantly posting spam.

To become an established and useful member we are never forced, but this is an impulse from within us who want to make the forum a place of origin for knowledge about crypto. Regarding plagiarism and copy-pasting, in my opinion some beginner dont know about the forum rules because they are too lazy to read. It has to be fixed and they have to know about the rules.

[Insanerman]

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But atleast now i think the forum has been regulated well, and there are more members that are contributing quality topics to the forum.

It's completely regulated. Rules are implemented very strictly on those users that will commit such violation. This is the result of every members that are always helping and are always be willing to help for Bitcointalk's better future. We do have now less spams, plagiarism will be always caught here so go tell your opinion on a topic that you are interested to be part. Just don't plagiarist unless you want to be banned.

[Asuspawer09]

Spamming and plagiarism is even worst when there is no merit system implemented, especially when signature campaign is still a thing the account farmers they post the exact sentence throughout their accounts, and creating a thread and using their other accounts to spam the topic using one sentence.

But atleast now i think the forum has been regulated well, and there are more members that are contributing quality topics to the forum.

When we are governed by the system, we definitely have to follow it and start learning how it work. Many user have turned into better member with higher ranking because they know thats how they can hit a target and many have to stick to their old position and habit of constantly posting spam.

To become an established and useful member we are never forced, but this is an impulse from within us who want to make the forum a place of origin for knowledge about crypto. Regarding plagiarism and copy-pasting, in my opinion some beginner dont know about the forum rules because they are too lazy to read. It has to be fixed and they have to know about the rules.

Probably most of the time beginners are caught because its either they don't know the rules or they were just lazy, Just copy paste everything and put it in the forum.

I think Plagiarism happened because of laziness or either you just don't know about something and then just get something online, might also because of merit since they want merit they need to good topic or content that they could just get online. Also spamming is just because of signature campaigns in order to payout they need to rush the post.

Whatever their reason is the rules are needed to follow and there is no exception even for newbies and high ranks.

[cheezcarls]

Beginners need to learn how quality posts are published. Before we become experienced community members here in the forum, we are also beginners back then. I had to admit that I indeed struggle in the first place on what to post. I started with just one or two sentences while learning about this forum. I was not a good forum poster back then, and my posts are in low quality.

I self-trained myself when I first joined a signature campaign back in 2017. I kept going and finally learned what it means to post quality threads and comments. Of course, it does not mean that I'm perfect. I still made mistakes (even terrible ones, and some events that I'm really careless), but I always learn, assess and adjust myself.

And of course, merits aren't what I'm after here (it's just a bonus). I am more on giving helpful advice, sharing helpful resources based on my research (especially those ICOs or cryptos who scammed the community), etc.