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September 15, 2020, 08:55:42 PM
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Dear moderators of Bitcointalk

We recently found out that the account of "CoinIdol News" on Bitcointalk was banned with no explanation or notification.

As an Editor at Coinidol.com I want to appeal this ban and find out why the account is suspended and publications deleted?
We do not make advertising, we post our news.

Can our account and publications be restored?

Thank you.

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September 15, 2020, 09:02:05 PM
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There's normally an explanation on the ban message when you log in afaik.

Also your posts probably can't be restored anyway as your deleted posts are hard deleted on the forums server, but you ought be able to find them in drafts on bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=drafts from the banned account, you ought want to back these up just in case.

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September 15, 2020, 09:09:23 PM
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I do not know if it's a permanent ban, but that user coindolnews was famous for posting BS that always got deleted, IIRC, that user most times gets the whole of their posts deleted by the moderator, prolly mods have decided to ban, nuke or tem ban that user. See this thread complaining about coindolnews' BS posting activities made by LeGaulois: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253793.msg54573547#msg54573547
Can our account and publications be restored?
If it's a temporary ban, yes the account will be restored when the ban time elapses, but for the BS publications made from that account, no, not at all, it's spam and it wouldn't be restored nor do we need any more of it in the forum (mostly on the press section).

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September 15, 2020, 09:27:23 PM
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Instead of you appealing to us, can we appeal to you instead?  It would be great if you could improve the quality of your contributions to the forum.  I've seen numerous comments from other users who find your posts tedious at best.  Anyone can regurgitate the content of an article.  It takes no effort to do that.  It's not like your articles are even that well written.

It's clear you see these forums as nothing more than a free way to drive traffic to your site and boost your page impressions.  That needs to change.  You need to do better and offer up some higher quality posts.  Preferably something better than the standard set in the articles on your site.

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September 15, 2020, 09:45:08 PM
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I do not know if it's a permanent ban,.........
Since there is no record on BPIP, the account has been banned temporarily.


To OP:

Given your post history, the account you are using now deserves to be banned as well.
Change your posting style or you will be banned permanently.

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September 16, 2020, 05:10:14 AM
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I do not know if it's a permanent ban,.........
Since there is no record on BPIP, the account has been banned temporarily.

AFAIK, BPIP isn't that kinda accurate. Some of the users that are listed banned in it aren't really banned after some have found it being active recently. Also, BPIP relies on the scraped data of LoyceV, in which LoyceV also admitted he made mistakes (I can't remember when and on what topic I read it, but I am sure there was a case that BPIP and LoyceV listed a user to be banned yet found active recently).

We recently found out that the account of "CoinIdol News" on Bitcointalk was banned with no explanation or notification.

As an Editor at Coinidol.com I want to appeal this ban and find out why the account is suspended and publications deleted?
We do not make advertising, we post our news.

Can our account and publications be restored?

The answer is simple, if the account you've mentioned are just Temporarily Banned, then you can soon have it back. But if it was Permanently Banned, then you cannot. Either of those cases, your posts being deleted due to either spam or whatsoever wouldn't be retrieved (some are on archival and off-limits to you), and either way, forum would let the CoinIdol News on which rules they had violated. If ever it would be permanently banned and you are endorsing it nor being an alt of that user, it would somehow lead to ban evasion which is also prohibited and would ban you as well (In which I guess you must also be banned just by judging your past posts)

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September 16, 2020, 05:15:46 AM
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If it is a temporary ban, I sure think that it deserves a permanent one. Accounts in general that only spam the forums just to get link clicks to articles that aren't even good deserves to be banned, including that Coinpedia.org one.

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September 16, 2020, 05:31:58 AM
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Also, BPIP relies on the scraped data of LoyceV, in which LoyceV also admitted he made mistakes (I can't remember when and on what topic I read it, but I am sure there was a case that BPIP and LoyceV listed a user to be banned yet found active recently).

BPIP scrapes ban info directly from modlog so there shouldn't be any major inaccuracies, with the exception of old bans (prior to BPIP's existence). We also detect users who start posting again and mark them as "unbanned".

CoinIdol News didn't have modlog entry so the account is either banned temporarily or got a "special" permaban that doesn't show up in modlog. Considering that all of their posts have been deleted I don't really understand why it wouldn't be banned permanently.

As an Editor at Coinidol.com I want to appeal this ban and find out why the account is suspended and publications deleted?
We do not make advertising, we post our news.

This is a discussion forum, not a backup of your site. Simply copying your "news" here doesn't contribute anything of value.


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September 16, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
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CoinIdol News didn't have modlog entry so the account is either banned temporarily or got a "special" permaban that doesn't show up in modlog. Considering that all of their posts have been deleted I don't really understand why it wouldn't be banned permanently.

Unfortunately I don't know why the entry is missing in the ModLog.
Since all posts have been cleaned up and the whole thing has been going on for a few weeks/months I rather assume a permaban.
I was not involved myself but the search brings some facts out:

1)
CoinldolNews newest Spam post in the press board that will be deleted very soon, a temp ban for this user to "chill" imo.
How does it help or contribute to the original post?
I put a direct link to coinldolNews' profile, for those who do not know the user.

2) click here

I think the ban was not unjustified and will probably remain upright.

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September 16, 2020, 07:28:36 AM
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Dear BitcoinTalk community.

I regret to hear that any of our publications are not good enough for you or annoying to anyone in the cryptocurrency community. I would be happy to hear your suggestion on what can be improved. And I assure you I will do everything to make it possible.

I must also note that we did read the guidance of what publications are allowed on the BitcoinTalk. And tried not to violate these rules.

Yes, we hardly communicate on the forum, that's true. But some of our authors follow BitcoinTalk and communicate here on different topics Without sending posts with links to coinidol.com, as any other users.

The account CoinIdol News was made specifically to share our news with the community, and not to discuss it. As journalists can not state their personal opinions, and we find it unethical to reply with personal opinion under the publication. Our goal is to share the information as it is. Section “Press” is dedicated to it, no? That seems not to be prohibited on BitcoinTalk. Or is it now?

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September 16, 2020, 07:37:22 AM
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As an Editor at Coinidol.com I want to appeal this ban and find out why the account is suspended and publications deleted?
We do not make advertising, we post our news.

Actually you are shilling your website. Again and again and again.

that user coindolnews was famous for posting BS that always got deleted, IIRC, that user most times gets the whole of their posts deleted by the moderator, prolly mods have decided to ban, nuke or tem ban that user. See this thread complaining about coindolnews' BS posting activities made by LeGaulois: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253793.msg54573547#msg54573547

See also how many times Coin Idol was mentioned in this topic: List of advertising shills. Mods please review and ban as appropriate..

I myself got tired of how many posts I reported for that account. I spent months reporting every single day all the shillings they made, but it seemed to be in vain. It seemed so much to be in vain that o_e_l_e_o took the sad decision to lock his topic, as he believed there is no chance in the world to stop that bot named Coin Idol.

I kept following everyday that account and I was surprised that it didn't post anymore for the last few days. I wondered if it finally got banned but it seemed too nice to be true. Apparently, it was true. One less spammer from the forum, after I worked for months for this to happen. It's a blessing for the entire forum!

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I would be happy to hear your suggestion on what can be improved. And I assure you I will do everything to make it possible.

This is simple: stop spamming and shilling.

I must also note that we did read the guidance of what publications are allowed on the BitcoinTalk. And tried not to violate these rules.

The account CoinIdol News was made specifically to share our news with the community, and not to discuss it.

You can share the news on your website. There are a lot of crypto news websites but not any respectable one shills itself here: have you ever seen CoinTelegraph shilling itself here? Or CoinDesk? No. Just shady websites like yours do that. There is a bunch of such spammers, hopefully all being banned sooner or later: WorldCoin Index, Fintoism etc. I take hours everyday to report all this nonsense. If anyone wants to read your articles, s/he can visit your website, not Bitcoin Forum and to get redirected from here to your website.

Section “Press” is dedicated to it, no? That seems not to be prohibited on BitcoinTalk. Or is it now?

Have you ever seen the description of Press board? I believe you didn't. Let me enlighten you:

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"Notable", you see that? Nothing of your spams is notable. Just spamming and shilling.



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September 16, 2020, 09:50:49 AM
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I regret to hear that any of our publications are not good enough for you or annoying to anyone in the cryptocurrency community.
The content of articles you were linking to is largely low quality - large, irrelevant, obnoxious pictures, many posts simply about price speculation with no actual content, poorly researched if at all, filled with inaccuracies, etc. Despite all that, that wasn't even the reason I reported every single one of your posts.

You were using the Press board as little more than free advertising for your site. This is a discussion forum, not a copy-and-paste dumping ground. Your account (which I strongly suspect was an automated bot) never once engaged in conversation, held a discussion, sparked a debate, replied to other users. You just dumped your copy-and-paste advertising multiple times a day and that was it.

I would be happy to hear your suggestion on what can be improved. And I assure you I will do everything to make it possible.
The fact that every single one of your posts was deleted shortly after you made them, and your account has been banned before, and you made zero effort to change, makes me highly skeptical of this, but if you do want to change, then try to use your account like an actual human.

But some of our authors follow BitcoinTalk and communicate here on different topics Without sending posts with links to coinidol.com, as any other users.
Having some accounts which don't spam doesn't give you a free pass to have other accounts which do spam.

The account CoinIdol News was made specifically to share our news with the community, and not to discuss it.
Your website is where the community can find your news without discussing it. Again, this is a discussion forum.

Section “Press” is dedicated to it, no? That seems not to be prohibited on BitcoinTalk. Or is it now?
The Press board is for "notable press hits". I do not believe that what is essentially a low quality crypto specific blog site is classed as "notable", and clearly the mods agree since all your posts are trashed.

You are not the first blog/media site to spam the Press board and be banned, and I'm sure you won't be the last. If you want to use this forum, then try contributing to it and not just using it as a place to dump advertising spam for free.

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I often read in the Press section and I most of the time don't engage in posts made by CoinIdol. For one other then clickbaity titles the articles don't really have any good info in it, and when people engage a discussion in your thread CoinIdol won't be responding. The way it looks like to me is you are just using the forum to promote your website and not engage in any kind of discussion or give clarification to the news you are giving. The sense of BCT being a forum is basically absent when you don't entertain anything the members are posting in your thread. So I think the ban given to your account is well deserve.

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September 16, 2020, 01:24:17 PM
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The account CoinIdol News was made specifically to share our news with the community, and not to discuss it. As journalists can not state their personal opinions, and we find it unethical to reply with personal opinion under the publication. Our goal is to share the information as it is. Section “Press” is dedicated to it, no?

Not quite, no.

It needs to be phrased more clearly, but the intent is not merely to post links to news.  That's not the point of a forum.

If someone finds a story in the mainstream media and wants to discuss the implications of that news, that's the purpose (I believe) of the Press Board.  We want insights and analysis.  Thoughtful commentary to weigh against the content of the publication. 

You can hide behind the excuse that "journalists cannot state their personal opinions", but that's not going to resolve the problem and certainly doesn't mean you can simply resume posting as you did before.  To me, that just sounds like no one in your organisation is prepared to put the effort in and you just want to copy/paste with no other participation.  That's frankly not going to fly anymore, so think again.  The community won't allow it.  Why should we not hold you to the same standard we hold other users?

Like it or not, posts in the Press board need accompanying independent commentary to be considered a valid post. 

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September 16, 2020, 01:47:39 PM
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If it is a temporary ban, I sure think that it deserves a permanent one. Accounts in general that only spam the forums just to get link clicks to articles that aren't even good deserves to be banned, including that Coinpedia.org one.
While I agree such spammers should be banned, a temporary ban or kind of warning before perma ban would be a good idea. Because according to the forum, if they are perma banned, there will be no way they can run their service/business etc. on bitcointalk forum. So, before perma ban, such accounts should be given warning or temporary ban in my opinion.

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September 16, 2020, 02:10:47 PM
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While I agree such spammers should be banned, a temporary ban or kind of warning before perma ban would be a good idea. Because according to the forum, if they are perma banned, there will be no way they can run their service/business etc. on bitcointalk forum. So, before perma ban, such accounts should be given warning or temporary ban in my opinion.

I don't think running a business should allow any lenience with regards to forum rules. Every single post being deleted is a sufficient warning. If anything mods have been giving too much benefit of the doubt to an account that is utterly useless. I would ban the OP too, who's done the exact same type of shitposting years ago.

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Spam advertisement is not allowed.

I see this account does spam advertisement in multiple threads. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2832883;sa=showPosts

22. Advertising (this includes mining pools, gambling services, exchanges, shops, etc.) in others threads' is no longer allowed, including, but not limited to, in altcoin announcement threads. [8]

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I still think the Press section should be locked/archived... or at the very least we clarify that only notable sources are allowed which should mean no crytpo-based sites.





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September 16, 2020, 03:42:40 PM
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While I agree such spammers should be banned, a temporary ban or kind of warning before perma ban would be a good idea. Because according to the forum, if they are perma banned, there will be no way they can run their service/business etc. on bitcointalk forum. So, before perma ban, such accounts should be given warning or temporary ban in my opinion.
In coindol news' case the warnings were as much as their BS publications, and if you know how many of that coindol news posts on the press section, you'll agree that it was sufficient warning for them to change how they bring their news to this community. A user (in this case bot website) that gets all their posts deleted all the time, yet the user made no complain about it, to find out why their entire publications were deleted all the time, but just continued posting all the same BS (from zero posts most times) doesn't care about anything on the forum, and prolly knew they were doing something wrong, and didn't care to change cause they felt they'll not be banned.
I still think the Press section should be locked/archived... or at the very least we clarify that only notable sources are allowed which should mean no crytpo-based sites.
+1 to that, the press section already has no traffic, and the little it gets is spam to say the least. The websites who spam the press section already have their site, so there's no need to 'advertise' their website on btt. Or it could be included to the rules of that board for users to include to the content of their sources, some original information that'll cause discussions.

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September 16, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
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Spam advertisement is not allowed.

I see this account does spam advertisement in multiple threads. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2832883;sa=showPosts

22. Advertising (this includes mining pools, gambling services, exchanges, shops, etc.) in others threads' is no longer allowed, including, but not limited to, in altcoin announcement threads. [8]

We do not post advertising (this includes mining pools, gambling services, exchanges, shops, etc.), and the website mentioned here is another website.  Huh

A little bit strange to hear about advertising from people who follow each of their post with banners...

So any suggestions about the content or not?

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