Cheating in Logo contest, participate using stock image or someone's else logo.

[bakasabo]

Not protecting anyone, just my 2 cents.

If in contest rules not mentioned that it is prohibited to use stock photo, why is it considered as an act of cheating? The logo presented for contest has no stock watermarks. It could be simply bought. So contestant made an investment to participate in contest. Seems logical to me.

If not, then lets punish everyone that used default fonts for writing and accuse them of plagiarism

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[logfiles]

Unfortunately most softwares kills the originality by providing limited templates, limited designs. Unfortunately not every software can be purchased by everyone, everytime they try something new.

I think where you go wrong is trying to look for templates in order to create logos and thereby using the wrong software programs which you say are limiting you. That's not how things are done when it comes to logo design. You can do this with other forms of designing such as web pages or posters and people won't notice but certainly not with Logos.

Even those templates you are looking for were created by someone. Ask your self how they created them. It surely wasn't through magic, was it?

You can create your beautiful unique logo from scratch using a ton of designing software programs like Adobe photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, PicsArt for mobile, GIMP for Linux, Microsoft PowerPoint (yes, you saw it right, If you are imaginative enough, nothing can stop you). All those software programs and many more can let you create a logo without even having to subscribe for their premiums. I say this because I have ever used all of them before.

Consider this constructive criticism and not an attack as you seem to be so unhappy about the whole thing.

[jayce]

@bakasabo
Hey I think this is a logo contest, not a place where you buy something from someone and sell in higher price to someone else. The project owner here is looking for a logo, not buying banana.


In my conclusion, most of the designers on this forum aren't confident enough in their skill and not ready yet for a contest. I hate payjoe and his childish act, but I respect him as designer since I know all of his works are truly original.

It's indeed hard to be called as plagiarism as the original owner has given the full right for the license buyers, but this is kinda not professional to be used in a contest imo. And like my previous post, if you want to use a template (not stealing or removing watermark), then you have to mention that on your post so the project owner and anyone aware of it. You can see my submissions in latest contests (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264544.msg54922826#msg54922826 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5259574.msg54903616#msg54903616) that I was using template images for the mockups (not the logo), and I even wrote credits to Unsplash there since I was using their images. Using template is not wrong in the contest as long as it's not the main object.

Edit: logfiles is right.

[fiulpro]

Unfortunately most softwares kills the originality by providing limited templates, limited designs. Unfortunately not every software can be purchased by everyone, everytime they try something new.

I think where you go wrong is trying to look for templates in order to create logos and thereby using the wrong software programs which you say are limiting you. That's not how things are done when it comes to logo design. You can do this with other forms of designing such as web pages or posters and people won't notice but certainly not with Logos.

Even those templates you are looking for were created by someone. Ask your self how they created them. It surely wasn't through magic, was it?

You can create your beautiful unique logo from scratch using a ton of designing software programs like Adobe photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, PicsArt for mobile, GIMP for Linux, Microsoft PowerPoint (yes, you saw it right, If you are imaginative enough, nothing can stop you). All those software programs and many more can let you create a logo without even having to subscribe for their premiums. I say this because I have ever used all of them before.

Consider this constructive criticism and not an attack as you seem to be so unhappy about the whole thing.

See this is good since it was the first time I ever tried designing a logo , I just went to the app store and searched , tried numerous softwares and everything has very limited stuff. We learn through these things only , it takes time, investment, experience and I myself just wanted to participate.

I am not a professional in digital designing not even a newbie.

I wanted to try something new , that too with a cursive font since I always find them really beautiful, therefore I just did it and submit.

This is for sure helpful for the future but I don't think I will ever think about even designing one since everyone made a big deal out of nothing.

Since I prefer using pen and paper I don't know much about these softwares but I believe most of them are paid and therefore I didn't want to purchase them and therefore found the best free one that I loved. But for that too, I used 3-4 hours since there was going back and forth and trying out everything.

Template that was being used was: background and that's it

Other than that there were only limited designs that you could add which I used , which many people used too.

An Artist can never hate anything more when he is himself accused of PLAGIARISM. When the app itself gives the users right to use it.

I decided it was actually a good point keeping the watermark since it is giving credits to the app makers itself. Therefore I didn't mention but it was completely obvious.

Then I went back again and tried designing a bunch of them using the basic shapes available but yes thank you for at least standing pro for the point that " Using template is not wrong " which was something that I was trying to prove the whole time.

Thank you @jayce and @logfiles

[Insanerman]

OK. TO EVERY ONE WHO'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS ACCUSATION AND STILL COULDN'T GET @jayce 's POINT AND IDEA, LET ME CLEAR THIS. HOPE YOU ALL WOULDN'T TAKE THIS AS ME TAKING AN ADVANTAGE TO WHAT HAPPEN. NO. I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS IN DESIGNING IN WHICH SOME ALREADY HAD REPLIED IN HERE BUT SOME STILL PREFER DEFENDING THEIR SIDE. THIS WOULD BE A LONG READ:

First of all, I've been studying designing since I was a kid. Not to be arrogant nor whatsoever that you could judge to me, but I keep accepting designing jobs for less than 10 dollars! Yes! Our country doesn't really that kind of rich so the cost of designs here are commonly less than 5 dollars, even business logos! Also, I'm not that professional nor having a degree in designing, but I can say that all of my designs were pure and my own.

Now back to the issue, in designing based on dozens of seminars and webinars I've attended, there are difference between GRAPHIC ARTISTS vs GRAPHIC DESIGNERS. Basically,

GRAPHIC DESIGNERS are those who gets their idea from dozens of already made designs, and they can somehow connect those to make a new one. It is what fiulpro and Serious475, when they preferred to use FREE stock photos online especially fonts that might also be free and can be used for any commercial purposes.

Meanwhile, GRAPHIC ARTISTS are those who make logos, layouts, etc. OUT OF NOTHING. Hence, it is what jayce and some other users here are insisting, that such contest must always accept submissions only with pure GRAPHIC ARTISTS originality.

I don't say that any of users in here cannot be either G.DESIGNER/G.ARTIST. You are free to call yourself what you want, as long as it fits what you are capable of.

Now, the issue states that the contest held by abhilyall had problems due to many submissions (which had won the contest) are all came from graphic designers that concatenate free stock designs. The argument here is simple. If their fashion business went popular from local upto global business, bearing a logo that came from free stock photos online and licensed to personal use elements, wouldn't you think that they would never have a problem once someone noticed that their globally well-known business' logo came only from free stock? Also, as the maker of the logo, don't you think you couldn't be sued with the design you've made? All I'm saying is it is the designers morale if he would simply let the company suffer as long as you've submitted and won their online contest.

@fiulpro @Serious475 and any other that submitted on the said contest nor would soon make logos for contest, take note of this. If you really wanted to make an image that depicts a whole business, make it original. Yes, you would still and could insist that you've bought or its free, it is just not a valid reason or excuse to make designs for a legit company. Glad with Nellayar 's initiative to rather let his feet down than to raise any excuses and defense. With other's artworks, it is fine to make renditions out of stock designs, IF AND ONLY IF it wouldn't be for a company logo nor for any commercial purposes, and as much as possible that every design you could make (soon if you would have clients), better not use any free stocks.

I hope that there would be winners soon that wouldn't open another issue, coz it's just not too good to see designers fighting each other. Let's be professional guys, never aim for the amount nor the prize of contests. Aim for perfections in designs! Peace out!

[trapcoder666]

Thanks @Insanerman @jayce and the rest for the input. Didn't know logos was different when it comes to designing one. I myself am a part time web designer and in no way a professional and with subscriptions to shutterstock and other providers, it helps me with my graphics work, never really did logo only orders for clients and it's my first contest. You guys are absolutely right, logo will be the face of the company and it should be 100% unique. Again, would like to apologize and in the future, i'll add references or atleast a heads-up that it's not my original work.

[bakasabo]

@bakasabo
Hey I think this is a logo contest, not a place where you buy something from someone and sell in higher price to someone else. The project owner here is looking for a logo, not buying banana.


In my conclusion, most of the designers on this forum aren't confident enough in their skill and not ready yet for a contest. I hate payjoe and his childish act, but I respect him as designer since I know all of his works are truly original.

It's indeed hard to be called as plagiarism as the original owner has given the full right for the license buyers, but this is kinda not professional to be used in a contest imo. And like my previous post, if you want to use a template (not stealing or removing watermark), then you have to mention that on your post so the project owner and anyone aware of it. You can see my submissions in latest contests (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264544.msg54922826#msg54922826 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5259574.msg54903616#msg54903616) that I was using template images for the mockups (not the logo), and I even wrote credits to Unsplash there since I was using their images. Using template is not wrong in the contest as long as it's not the main object.

Edit: logfiles is right.

I've got your point. But this is a contest - a competition to do better than other people, usually in which prizes are given. To be able to win, the guy was smart and used something extra (bought a picture on stock). It was not mentioned that contestants must use only their own works.

As abhilyall intend to use that logo in our website, tags, lables, carry bags etc., the guy should have left credits to stocks photo author. Just in case fashion brand "DERNIER CRI" wont have any problems with intellectual property. I fully agree with what you've written above.

Anyway, like Pablo Picassos said - "good artists borrow, great artists steal"  

[jayce]

@Insanerman, I wish I have more merits for you mate. Thanks for explaining it clearly. I completely agree with you.

I've got your point. But this is a contest - a competition to do better than other people, usually in which prizes are given. To be able to win, the guy was smart and used something extra (bought a picture on stock). It was not mentioned that contestants must use only their own works.

Lol yeah I have to admit that was a smart move indeed by them. They have more potential to be great businessmen in future.

[dkbit98]

Finally some interesting topic to read thanks to examplens and roycilik detective skills

I find it funny to see explanations of participants in this logo contest and how in reality they spent few minutes using templates, stock photos and graphics other people made.
Every real graphic designer would report this, and same thing is happening in 99designs and similar websites.
If you used other people designs or art you must say this when you are posting design you claim is yours, and not after someone reported you.

My second submission I did purchase main asset from a logo maker site https://www.logosc.cn/logo7653.html and I do have license for it.

I would love to see this license.

[yahoo62278]

Wouldn't the core issue fall on the team for not being specific in their rules? it's common sense that if they want to launch a brand, they wouldn't want a logo based off of another company or even anything close, but this is bitcointalk. I've found that you have to freaking map out everything to make sure even the most ignorant would understand.

You have a lot of members from very poor areas who are going to use anything they can to make a buck, and not feel bad about it. In their minds, they did nothing wrong. Anytime anyone launches a contest, the rules have to be 100% clear and understandable to avoid this sort of thing for the contest.

The company should have done a better job in the selection process as well. They need to research all submissions to try and detect similarities in other brands and logos. Just my 2 cents.

[Lorence.xD]

Wouldn't the core issue fall on the team for not being specific in their rules? it's common sense that if they want to launch a brand, they wouldn't want a logo based off of another company or even anything close, but this is bitcointalk. I've found that you have to freaking map out everything to make sure even the most ignorant would understand.

You have a lot of members from very poor areas who are going to use anything they can to make a buck, and not feel bad about it. In their minds, they did nothing wrong. Anytime anyone launches a contest, the rules have to be 100% clear and understandable to avoid this sort of thing for the contest.

The company should have done a better job in the selection process as well. They need to research all submissions to try and detect similarities in other brands and logos. Just my 2 cents.

Definitely poor organization of the event is at fault. Maybe next time have a specific software to be used so there will be no way to cheat. Logo maker is cheating in my opinion because ideas are already there, you will just adjust it to your liking, maybe use the style for inspiration but not the copy it altogether.

[notblox1]

Anytime anyone launches a contest, the rules have to be 100% clear and understandable to avoid this sort of thing for the contest.

Agreed, but remember one recent bounty campaign for Gamdom you had and when you said it is allowed to write in gambling but only 4 post in gambling discussion.
Even if you wrote all the rules, not all people did read or understand them, and there was a lot of confusion
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5268286.0

It is mostly people faults, because some people never read or they try to cheat whatever the rules are.

[Pffrt]

Wouldn't the core issue fall on the team for not being specific in their rules? it's common sense that if they want to launch a brand, they wouldn't want a logo based off of another company or even anything close, but this is bitcointalk. I've found that you have to freaking map out everything to make sure even the most ignorant would understand.

True but a professional logo designer would never go with such copy paste job as he knows logo means what to a company as you said and I stated earlier that it's common sense.
I see a lot of people are trying to defend themselves here with a lot of excuses. Come on, man. You don't need to. If you are a professional logo designer, why would you even bother to use other people's work in a brand logo?

[sheenshane]

Upon reading from page 1 on this thread, I saw that both parties have a fault. The participants and the organizer of this contest were at the same fault.

Firstly, the organizer's fault was stated yahoo above and that was right.

The company should have done a better job in the selection process as well. They need to research all submissions to try and detect similarities in other brands and logos. Just my 2 cents.

If they want a professional logo maker, probably I think they hired someone than having a contest. For a good product result, not just a copied by someone else work or be stated that using software template isn't allowed.

For the participants, whether it is a contest or not. If you are professional logo makers, make your own design. If you will use others work as a reference make it sure at least don't have similarities that obviously easily identify or much better made by your own.

Now for tagging, their explanations are appropriate even though it seems a sort of copy pasting because of free template used, they're excused for this. Since there is no rules from the organizer of the contest that prohibit, I think there's no offense, unless if the rule was clearly stated there.

[Furious 7]

Wouldn't the core issue fall on the team for not being specific in their rules? it's common sense that if they want to launch a brand, they wouldn't want a logo based off of another company or even anything close, but this is bitcointalk. I've found that you have to freaking map out everything to make sure even the most ignorant would understand.

True but a professional logo designer would never go with such copy paste job as he knows logo means what to a company as you said and I stated earlier that it's common sense.
I see a lot of people are trying to defend themselves here with a lot of excuses. Come on, man. You don't need to. If you are a professional logo designer, why would you even bother to use other people's work in a brand logo?

Surely a professional logo designer will know which loga is right for the brand that is needed, including in fashion, he will know how to conceptualize it properly and will not copy and paste.

 There are more than two suspicions that the Pasteur Salim has been researched for several days and finally the similarities are found, can it be called copy paste?

[bakasabo]

Surely a professional logo designer will know which loga is right for the brand that is needed, including in fashion, he will know how to conceptualize it properly and will not copy and paste.

A professional logo designer would charge more than:

The 1st prize is 50$ in BTC.

I know it is bad to count other people money, but in this scenario, for 50$ you get what you get for and should not expect design masterpieces.
I understand that the partial idea was to order exactly from cryptocurrency community and pay in crypto, but ideal variant would be to order logo design from a freelancer (but not creating a contest).