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September 23, 2020, 03:16:24 PM
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I have noted here on meta the most valuable posts receive the least merit?

For example you may have a thread of regurgitated popular ideas being celebrated. These are revealed to be based upon a false premise by a far smarter and more knowledgeable poster. This is proven by the fact his counter points conclusively debunk their popular ideas as bogus. Even after multiple failed attempts to debunk the smart posters points which remain robust...his posts receive little to zero merit?

Surely novel and unpopular truths are far more valuable than a bunch of popular ideas that are based upon pure shit?

I noticed this time and time again.

Also for example: the dirty turds thread clearly and conclusively demonstrated that many of the assumed super trust worthy members here had undeniable instances of financially motivated wrong doing in their pasts. The evidence presented was independently verifiable but still many sought to create valid excuses that were all conclusively debunked by one person single handedly. Not on even one occasion were his points debunked.

That thread is possibly one of the most valuable threads on this board.
Along with : the most important thread you can contribute to this year
Or the many long debates generated regularly and never once was of their points debunked.

Yet the member received very very few merits.

How does the forum explain this ?

Why are regurgitated bogus ideas and the celebration of those ideas rewarded with magnitudes more of merit than those super valuable posts that cut through that bogus shit and reveal the robust truth.

Is seeking the truth or at least the most probable/plausible answer or optimal solution not nearly as valuable as just promulgating false/bogus but popular ideas?

I would like a serious discussion where people present independently verifiable examples to corroborate their statements or give some credibility to their reasoning.

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September 23, 2020, 03:22:01 PM
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September 23, 2020, 04:29:27 PM
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I'm not surprised the previous two replies make fun of this post. If there is a place where good posts don't go unnoticed is this board. In the bitcoin section, for example, a post or a comment is more likely to go unnoticed.

Apart from that, I take it he is the alt of a famous troll.





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September 23, 2020, 05:38:39 PM
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I'm not surprised the previous two replies make fun of this post. If there is a place where good posts don't go unnoticed is this board. In the bitcoin section, for example, a post or a comment is more likely to go unnoticed.

Apart from that, I take it he is the alt of a famous troll.

This post is a prime example of some noob hanging around meta for some merit morsels.
More than likely an alt of some DT1 powering up another sock.

Regardless of which the reader can note how DT1 seek to prevent open debate.
Especially open debate on things that would directly impact on their chipmixer sigs.

Also it should be clear that this particular puppet or slobbering turd world noob eager to please his DT masters fails to note that the off topic spam by the two little bitches above don't try to challenge any of the points made. Why would that be?

Well,  because they have never even once managed to successfully refute a single point made by the types of poster I refer to in the OP.
When you present inconvenient but undeniable truths. All they can so is

1. Seek to divert the discussion

2. Try  to prevent the discussion

3. Make excuses that get torn apart

4. Punish you using merit starvation and red tags.

It is a great pleasure of mine to constantly demonstrate this.

So who wants to have a go at explaining why the most comprehensive thread here of all time in meta compiling and defending successfully the indisputable evidence of the past financial wrongdoing of DT1 members received no merit.

Then explain in detail why that thread is not among the most valuable ever made in meta since the merit system was launched.
Why be afraid to put your counter argument up for public analysis?

Perhaps you feel you can debunk some of the points or evidence there within?

Obviously suchmoron and ioeoei dare not. That's not surprising since they are low functioning dregs that have achieved nothing her but to humiliate themselves whilst spamming their sigs for dust.

How about a more worthy opponent?

Sorry I'm trying  to get you a diagonal or at least a full row, but any game claiming to be cryptohunter bingo that does not have observable instance,  is clearly just a fail from the start.

So back to topic. Why do the most important posts that help bring some semblance of truth and reality to the forum never get any merits?




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September 23, 2020, 05:55:03 PM
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What do you expect the forum administration to do about those users you accuse or think have been involved in financial wrongdoings? Haven't you heard thousands of times that the admins don't investigate scams and personal conflicts?

Why do the most important posts that help bring some semblance of truth and reality to the forum never get any merits?
Important to whom? Importance is a subjective thing. If it's important to you, it might not be important to others. 
You didn't mention which 'important' posts never received merits so I am going to conclude that they were obviously not important to other people except to you. 

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September 23, 2020, 06:43:38 PM
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If it were anyone else, I'd suggest that if they made some valuable contributions to the forum of their own, they could then earn some merits to distribute as they saw fit.  But, given who the author is, we all know they'd never bring a speck of value to this board if they tried for the next decade.  So all they can do is cry about how other people don't give merit to the supposedly important posts OP would give their entirely imaginary merit to.


Overall verdict: 
The system works as intended.  Worthless trolls are unlikely to be a reliable judge of which posts are important and it's good for the forum as a whole that they don't have lots of merit to (mis)allocate.

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September 23, 2020, 07:16:49 PM
Last edit: September 23, 2020, 08:24:09 PM by KaneVWE
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If it were anyone else, I'd suggest that if they made some valuable contributions to the forum of their own, they could then earn some merits to distribute as they saw fit.  But, given who the author is, we all know they'd never bring a speck of value to this board if they tried for the next decade.  So all they can do is cry about how other people don't give merit to the supposedly important posts OP would give their entirely imaginary merit to.


Overall verdict:  
The system works as intended.  Worthless trolls are unlikely to be a reliable judge of which posts are important and it's good for the forum as a whole that they don't have lots of merit to (mis)allocate.

Only to the low functioning like yourself does it work that way.

You see the question is...

Is the truth valuable ? Let's start with that. Independently verifiable truth. Is that more valuable than a bunch of ideas based upon lies or misunderstanding ? The sort of statements like the ones you've just made that fall apart under the mildest of scrutiny?

Now come on dumbmad. I challenge you to work through this with me in public.

Do you accept the challenge? Yes or no?

No more " we" all know. Or speculation on the alts I may or may not have.

Let's investigate publicly? if you have the balls to debate this with me?

Or just run away. Come on DT1 chipmixer bunny.

Yes or no?  Of course we can discuss your achievements here later for extra fun.


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Well I would expect at a minimum for them to be blacklisted from positions of trust.


Well do you value the truth? Is it valuable to you in general? When you ask questions or research do you want to be given or locate the correct information or the truth or do you prefer to be fed lies and misinformation?
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September 24, 2020, 12:09:41 PM
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What is the truth? You are talking out of context without giving any specifics. Who should be blacklisted and for what offense?
I have never given much thought to the way the DT system works, and for someone to be blacklisted I would assume that it is the community who would have to make such a decision and distrust a certain individual. Is it not?

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September 24, 2020, 12:50:45 PM
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What is the truth? You are talking out of context without giving any specifics. Who should be blacklisted and for what offense?
I have never given much thought to the way the DT system works, and for someone to be blacklisted I would assume that it is the community who would have to make such a decision and distrust a certain individual. Is it not?

Well its certainly not out of context. The context was stipulated in the OP. Some example threads were mentioned.

Well, making decisions is no indication of the truth. I mean if the truth is indisputable and nobody can debunk it, but still the community ( well a handful of corrupt self appointed scum called dt) decide not to accept it, or excuse it, or try to punish people revealing the truth that does not mean it was not the truth does it?

So you want me to present a specific example here for you to examine?
You would like me to reveal the indisputable truth of financially motivated wrong doing by a DT member for your analysis?
Truth that has been ignored, attempted excuses have been made and shredded. And punishment has been given out for revealing these truths.

Or you would like to analyse a thread that points out the indisputable problems with the merit and trust system. This thread sees anecdotal faux rebuttals ( bogus crap) receive far more merits that the super robust truths regarding the glaring issues with the merit and trust system. IOW bogus debunked garbage is receives far more merits that the truth.

Or would you like both examples?

Just to be clear.

Remember this thread is examining the strange phenomena that in meta and rep particularly the indisputable truth is starved of merit ( and punished via red tags) but excuses, lies and bullshit is given vast amounts of merit.

I don't wish this to become a discussion about the trust system more than about merit.

It's very simply should the indisputable truths or unpopular but impossible to debunk points being made ( specifically regarding independently verifiable actions on this forum) be given far far far less merits than easy to debunk bogus but popular " ideas"   

Surely those that reveal the indisputable truth should be rewarded the most.

I mean if you pose a math question like 2+2 =

Do you reward the answer the indisputably correct answer of 4 or a bunch of people who all agree it is something else?

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September 24, 2020, 01:14:44 PM
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You asked a bunch of questions and again offered no answers.
You sound like an article writer who is trying to optimize his page for the keywords indisputable, truth, and merit.

Again, no concrete examples or evidence of the truth that you are talking about.
I think I am done with this thread...


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September 24, 2020, 10:46:15 PM
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You asked a bunch of questions and again offered no answers.
You sound like an article writer who is trying to optimize his page for the keywords indisputable, truth, and merit.

Again, no concrete examples or evidence of the truth that you are talking about.
I think I am done with this thread...



I dont think you have read through the OP or the other posts I've made on this thread.

I am asking if you need me to drill down further with the specifics that I already gave you in the OP?

Do you not see me mention specifically the diry turds thread or the most important thread you can contribute to this year thread.?

These are both specific examples of where unpopular but incredibly valuable truths are presented and defended successfully against all attempted counter arguments. I mean how more specific can I be?

Surely you don't wish me to copy each and every point ( of which none were debunked ) when I can just say the entire post contains nothing but truths each of which are independently verifiable.

The same on the DT thread. The main and most serious allegations of direct scamming are detailed. Each have been at length debated and it is clearly and irrefutably true: the lying and deception for financial gain took place aka scamming.
We can discuss these after the other thread is discussed because I dont want this moved to rep.

Why not visit those threads and take a look?

I dont understand the problem. Do you want the URLs? They come up with a simple search.
So let's not pretend I'm not giving you specific examples of threads where the person who presents and defends successfully against many many other members unpopular truths which are not rewarded by merit or receive very meager amounts of merit.

I would suggest you focus on this one.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

Read the entire thread ( barely more than 1 page ) and you should notice exactly what I am talking about.
A provably faux rebuttal to an indisputable or irrefutable explanation of the problems and holes in the merit system aka truths gets a lot more merit than the insightful but unpopular truth? Why?

I mean I would prefer to examine the truths presented regarding DT members on the dirty turds thread.  But let's do that other one first. I will evoke less fear and loathing from DT and perhaps they will stop demanding the discussion stops.

Why do people always run away when they start to realize the inexorable pull towards the independently verifiable  truth that devours all excuses and lies in its path. ?

So read the thread and come back. All you need to do is be honest.

If you again say there are no examples provided of the behavior I describe in the OP then clearly you are just unwilling to enter the debate.

I mean is it necessary for me to copy the entire posts from those threads to this thread ? No. Just read them.

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September 25, 2020, 01:30:15 AM
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Why are regurgitated bogus ideas and the celebration of those ideas rewarded with magnitudes more of merit than those super valuable posts that cut through that bogus shit and reveal the robust truth.
So, where are your outstanding posts about Bitcoin / cryptocurrencies? The only thing I see from your are repeated rants about Merit / DT / attacking other members...  Tongue



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Why are regurgitated bogus ideas and the celebration of those ideas rewarded with magnitudes more of merit than those super valuable posts that cut through that bogus shit and reveal the robust truth.
So, where are your outstanding posts about Bitcoin / cryptocurrencies? The only thing I see from your are repeated rants about Merit / DT / attacking other members...  Tongue



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1. Your? I am referring to other great posters threads. This may apply to other great posters on meta and rep other than those I have referenced.
2.  Let's deal with the examples provided first. However dont worry some amazingly valuable truths have been posted with relation to crypto projects,  the developers themselves havs incorporated some of those ideas and many have messaged to personally thank certain great posters for their support so I hear, some could say some posts and truths were  valuable to the tune of 2 000 000 000. Usd..
3. You are way too slow. Read up a few posts. I already told them that any bingo posing as CH official is bogus without observable instances.
4. Attacking confirmed scammers and those that support and protect them by revealing the indisputable truth about them? This is a negative to you? You don't wish for people to have access to the truth? You wish people presenting the truth are punished by those scammers? Is this what you mean? Is it wrong to attack scammers with the truth about themselves ?


Posting on bitcoin especially technically is better left to the true and tested math boffins and conceptual designers  those that REALLY  understand it. I mean have you seen how the world renowned super tech brains get when others meddle with their stuff?
Every tom dick and harry or untrained in those specific areas all wanting to contribute and debate and make suggestions or critique their work is simply annoying to them and I can understand why. It is very frustrating to be able to prove you are correct and for other smart people to see that clearly and indisputably, but some others can not or deliberately refuse not to understand.

Everytime someone mentions post value many will automatically jump to the technical advancements or concepts you have helped further or contributed to.  However since 99.99% of the members here would not be able to further or improve on what has been conceived and designed then everyone else is better to contribute in the best way they can to improving the community surrounding bitcoin and crypto in general. Making sure people always have access to the truth and ensuring all rules are applied equally is as much as any member can hope to achieve.


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