Merit is Not Earned By Luck, But Because of Your Efforts!

[masulum]

Newbie or higher member rank without earned merit feels that those who get merit from the members because of a coincidence and luck. Is that true? No, that's wrong!

If we talk about merit, there are actually lot of user who have already discussed it, maybe it has become a discussion that is no longer interesting to discuss. However, newbies and stuck member, often say "maybe just lucky if I get merit and can rankup", in fact, there is no luck when getting merit, lucky is when the user wants to give 1 merit, because the incident becomes 11, or any higher amount given by accidentally.

Merit can be obtained because of:
1. Your efforts in making comments/posts
2. Your willingness to be a knowledge-sharing member
3. Want to change the habit of using forums

Of the three points above (there a lot of factor, but I think this three is enough), is there an element of luck? Of course not. All points can be happen because of your efforts and willingness. Member who give you a merit, seeing of your posts quality not quantity. You want to pursue merit? It's okay, no problem. But that doesn't mean you have to chase the number of posts. The more posts you make, the more likely you will be considered as spamming. You don't need to imitate suchmoon, loycev or other members who are able and have a capability to making lots of posts in a day. What they write is not limited to pursuing the number of posts they make. But what they write is to support an opinion or provide information that really needs to be shared.

If you are still thinking merit is something to do with luck, perhaps you should try to change your mindset to "trying to improve" perspective. Maybe from here you will begin to understand and stop asking "how to get merit for newbies and stuck member" or more extreme they are accuse about merit exchange, they say if "merit only for certain groups", where those who thinking like that, are members who don't want to change their habits and posts activity. , as simple as that.

The most earned merits are also chasing posts for the campaign!
Yes, the signature on our profile does require us to post, it doesn't mean that we are forget the main rules in this forum. At least, even though we are required to meet the post quota of the campaign, we are still  try to make this forum a worthy place to share knowledge. So, when your rank is stuck (on any rank), that means you need to change yourself, do not blame the merit source or accuse without evidence, if there a merit exchange to increase the rank for some people. In case there are come true, just report them as merit abuse to the mod.

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[nakamura12]

That'a the purpose of giving your effort in makinh great post to help other people. As what I said right now is one of the points you mentioned (Knowledge-sharing member) in your op. No wonder why some member did not rank up because they think earning merit is base on luck. It is not a gambling so luck is not needed in earning merits but effort and willing to share.

[mk4]

Funnily enough, I don't think most plebs don't actually believe that it's because of luck. I think most of them actually knows that it needed effort. But not the good kind of effort though, the bad kind— that all they needed to do was to post and post and post in the hopes that someone would give them merit for their bland and uninformative posts; or worse, some even complain that they don't receive any merits but then you check their posts and all they do is post on bounty threads. 🤷‍♂️

[Furious 7]

It's not a gamble that relies on luck, lol. Still in this forum we need an effort to get merit which means providing more knowledge or guidance which according to them provides insight and its usefulness in contributing to this forum is very good and must be used as best as possible because our comments will be valued by many people and everyone is different responding to it we will still have to be relevant to what we post here so merit requires effort and skill to get it.

[DdmrDdmr]

One fellow got lucky yesterday because I was messing around with code and added the wrong message Id to my meriting experimental code (missed a digit when manually typing the message id in the code):

<…> Today at 11:39:46 AM: 1 to salsacz for Re: Nxt marketing & promotion :: Enjoy Nxt on Bitcoinwisdom (erroneoulsy awarded)

A screw-up on my side, with a stroke of luck on the other end (although the receiver seems to be an abandoned account).

Joke’s aside, it’s rather more a question of having enough time and will to post than anything else. Of course, there is a complementary bag of goodies that contribute (expressiveness, non-repetitiveness, promptness, arguments, and so forth). By "will" I mean actually trying to get the post to be averagely meaningful.

Note: Mods have little to no saying in cases of Merit abuse per se, since sMerit awarding is not moderated. Historically, DTs have tagged accounts on either end for actions of the kind, but it’s rather controversial and subjective, and not strictly in line with the Trust core spirit (commerce related).

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

The fact is, even if you were to be lucky in receiving some merits, that still won't be able to rank you up to higher ranks compared to the others that did put in effort into contributing to the progress of the forum either through quality contributions or selfless acts like spam hurting or scam bursting. For those thinking they can be lucky like others in the aspect that their desire to ranked up get full filled by some generous merit giver or merit source, they should know that previous beneficiaries account were reviewed and been found to be worthy of those new rank or merit they recieved.

Few months back I did a related topic titled, Advantages of engaging in quality contributions on the forum. just like this topic, mind was focusing on informing the readers what they were to benefit if they can actually put in effort into bettering themselves on the forum. It's no rocket science, we have users you can use as example that their success on the forum has be attributed to their efforts.

I can go on and on if I decide to mention names but that won't be necessary since their presence are felt all over the forum. The mentality of thinking others were just lucky and you would be someday should be dropped. Success doesn't come from been lucky. Even if you were to be lucky per se, you still have to be prepared for that opportunity as if that chance was to come the way of an unprepared users, it'll still pass him/her by.

[Upgrade00]

Effort is one of the important factors that helps improve a user's post quality and with an increase in quality of discussions a user can impact more users positively and increase their chances of earning merits. Other factors, like where one posts and language barrier can influence positively or negatively, but users who deliberately try to help other members emphasize the purpose of merit creation and would benefit from the system.

Note: Mods have little to no saying in cases of Merit abuse per se, since sMerit awarding is not moderated.

I should point out that admins would interfere if one who was appointed (sources) to fairly distribute merits abuse the system. There has been cases where users have been removed from their merit source position and some were the merit transactions were revoked.
Theymos also interferes if it's a calculated abuse to cheat the system. Since the trust system was modified, "votes" from users who have earned certain amounts of merits counts to members eligibility and is an incentive for abuse.
Some users have been blacklisted from the trust selection process due to merit abuse.

I personally do not like the idea of users being given negative feedbacks for suspected merit abuse. It is not a wide spread practice from my observation, so most DT members agree with this.

[hatshepsut93]

Merit can be obtained because of:
1. Your efforts in making comments/posts
2. Your willingness to be a knowledge-sharing member
3. Want to change the habit of using forums

This can easily be misinterpreted by newbies, since this statement is too general. It's just a wrong perspective to look at merit, and it causes people to try to fish for merit with creating useless and misinformed guides. If you look at top merit earners, excluding Wall Observers, this is simply users with a lot of experience who can consistently make good contributions to any discussions. They don't create "how Bitcoin works" and "motivation for newbies" threads, they simply comment on existing threads and earn a few merits, which adds up to hundreds and thousands of merits in the long run.

[Becky666]

True talk, effort alongside consistency is the part way to merit earning than thinking about be a lucky meritee. Many have forgotten that; there is always a reward for those who put on their best when contributing to a conversation, though  some also quickly condemn their contribution towards discussion because they felt not be accepted into the society. Such individuals need courage inself and push harder for leaning. Some with this effort give-up because of them not earning merits as they want but rather step backwards to conspired against members with positive zeal towards discussion.

Don't give up on yourself, your effort can make you a reputable forum member if not now but in future. Never accept defeat when your argument aren't seen as constructive, put into play your inbuilt latent energy. Focus on leaning the digital technology among others and you will be notice with your contribution.

Remember, it take time, energy and consistency to build a career, this is liken unto this forum.

[tranthidung]

Somewhat it depends on luck, honestly to say. 

• Good posts need to have luck to be caught by the others (include merit sources). Bad posts are overwhelming good posts on the forum.
• After a good post is caught by the others, how many merit it will be rewarded in turn depends on luck again. If the others have more sMerits in their accounts, they can send more. If they have limited or dry out of sMerits, they might send less or zero merit for that post. For merit sources, they usually send more when their balance are topped up.

As said, there is a factor of luck BUT with luck, one poster can not get hundreds or thousands of merit. To receive such amount, that one needs to be a truly good poster. I agree with you but disagree with you if you totally eliminate the luck factor.

[coin-investor]

The most earned merits are also chasing posts for the campaign!
Yes, the signature on our profile does require us to post, it doesn't mean that we are forget the main rules in this forum. At least, even though we are required to meet the post quota of the campaign, we are still  try to make this forum a worthy place to share knowledge. So, when your rank is stuck (on any rank), that means you need to change yourself, do not blame the merit source or accuse without evidence, if there a merit exchange to increase the rank for some people. In case there are come true, just report them as merit abuse to the mod.

Some of the best posters here are participants of the highest signature campaigns, they earned a lot of merits and they get the highest cashout this is two one of the motivations why you need to contribute and be part of the healthy discussions if your merit is not moving or not adding up, only two things either you are only focussing in campaign reporting in bounty campaign or you are spamming the forum.

[Alucard1]

That is true, earning merits is not about luck, that is a big NO, you will receive merits once you are doing a great job in this forum when you are sharing good and useful information about the crypto world. There are many members here who are willing to give merits for that member who created good content. Actually, it can also be considered in real life, there is no luck if the person gets rich, it is all because of his hard work and knowledge that he used in order for him to be a successful one. Just remember this quote that I have read before. When you see a successful person, do not say that he/she is a lucky one when you are sleeping while he/she is working.

[erikoy]

I totally agree.

What is the difference in shitposting and making qouta for signature campaign?

Shitposting -  refers to copy and paste post or post that is intended only to increase post without reading the threads content to reply on. Most of considered shit posts are posts that are made generic and applicable to all threads. Not only that, there are many posts we can consider as shitposts like trolling, the intention is to destroy others dignity, questioning the system (merit and trust system), scammers start threads, website links especially it could be malware, bounty reports and more.

Post to increase activity for signature bounty qouta
It is only effort being exerted to the user to increase activity by posting in which it could be consider as active participation in discussion. A user could increase activity or post without compromising its quality of the posts. Anyway, quality posting will be determine or discretion of the users who will going to read posts.

[samputin]

I think that's pretty obvious. I mean, merits don't come out of nowhere. You receive them for a reason -- the content of your post. You don't necessarily have to be super technical or lengthy to say that you put in efforts. Just by simply saying what you really feel or what you know about a topic with the intention of sharing is already an effort. And other forum members who agrees with or liked your statement will surely give you a merit for that. Just don't rely on luck so that you can receive merit. Work for it.

[cryptoaddictchie]

The most earned merits are also chasing posts for the campaign!
Yes, the signature on our profile does require us to post, it doesn't mean that we are forget the main rules in this forum. At least, even though we are required to meet the post quota of the campaign, we are still  try to make this forum a worthy place to share knowledge.

Posting with such care is also a must for every signature bearers. We should admit that majority of sig users with good pay will probably always wanted beating up the quota of post. Well no one can denied that. But the best part there is the ability of those users to contribute something useful or important.

I ranked up to hero member due to effort but of course I could say there are some luck in play during the time when art contest was held submitted few entries and earned merits. Though you could say thats effort but the timing of the contest luckily favors mine.

[DdmrDdmr]

There’s probably a clash of platform cultures here to factor in: The forum is more verbose prone, with posts that tend to be longer than a short one-liner, and this requires therefore more thought, than say, social network platforms such as Twitter and Telegram, where short dynamic answers are the grounds for communication. Those heavily into the latter may find it harder to earn merit here, unless they adapt their style.

[TGD]

There’s probably a clash of platform cultures here to factor in: The forum is more verbose prone, with posts that tend to be longer than a short one-liner, and this requires therefore more thought, than say, social network platforms such as Twitter and Telegram, where short dynamic answers are the grounds for communication. Those heavily into the latter may find it harder to earn merit here, unless they adapt their style.

In counter part, I hope that merit source will consider too the content of the post itself and not just the length of the post. In my case as merit sender, I sometimes feels like long post is too boring to read that's why I like the post that direct to the point without any sugar coating on there statement. If all post that worthy of receiving merit are only those who construct an essay type post then the majority or maybe half of the forum user here will never rank up because not all user here are good on creating an essay like statement especially on creating thread and replying on a very simple question which can be answer by a single statement. 

[AniviaBtc]

I just don't get it when some users are making post that is not direct to the point and it is hard to understand.

Meaningless and not straightforward post really make people unable to read it much clearer. It doesn't matter if you posts with too much words, but the important thing is if it is easy to understand, you stated some facts, it is informative, and direct to the point. We should work for it and not rely on those people who are giving easy merits. Hoping that newbies will take time to read posts regarding earning merits, so that they know what to do in this forum.

[masulum]

^[snip]that all they needed to do was to post and post and post in the hopes that someone would give them merit for their bland and uninformative posts...some even complain that they don't receive any merits but then you check their posts and all they do is post on bounty threads. 🤷‍♂️

Posting is a must, and no one can argue with that. And it's true what you say, I once got a message via PM asking me just one merit to go up in rank, when I tried to see the contents of the post he made was a social media bounty report from pages 1 - 8,

Note: Mods have little to no saying in cases of Merit abuse per se, since sMerit awarding is not moderated. Historically, DTs have tagged accounts on either end for actions of the kind, but it’s rather controversial and subjective, and not strictly in line with the Trust core spirit (commerce related).

If indeed merit abuse for non-merit source users is not a matter for mods, of course we can still report via meta, at least the abuser gets a warning from the member who might make them stop doing this.

Somewhat it depends on luck, honestly to say. 

Yes, we have to distinguish between that, the luck when a good post is found, unlike the luck said by those who try to get merit but don't have a but posts that are made less worthy of being said to be deserving of merit. I agree with you some luck are happens, but from the perspective I've found in some of the posts from people who say that merit comes from luck, most of them are doesn't have a good posts as you mentioned. do they will get merit from luck if their posts habbit as @mk4 mentioned above "mostly in bounty report" except maybe as @Ddmrddmr case

This can easily be misinterpreted by newbies, since this statement is too general.

Yup, it's a general factor, but I'm also give an additional after that points

Member who give you a merit, seeing of your posts quality not quantity. You want to pursue merit? It's okay, no problem. But that doesn't mean you have to chase the number of posts. The more posts you make, the more likely you will be considered as spamming.

[tukagero]

Why would someone give a merit if they dont deserve it.  Deserving members will be awarded with merit which they can use to rank up thier account. A member should not base on pure luck  to get merit but rather they must work for it.