[Discussion] Bitcointalk Community Awards 🏆

[LoyceV]

Am not talking about excluding newbies by using that 50 merit criteria. Am talking about high ranked members who do not have up to that number of merit and as such will be disqualified from the voting process. It is not every member that gets merit when they make posts. And you know that.

If you show me a high ranking member who hasn't earned 50 Merits, I'll show you a member who's either been offline for years, or who's posts aren't worth reading.

If you want to reduce double voting, use activity points, which are calculated based on how long you've been here.

So all the bounty spamming Newbies with countless accounts with 1000 Activity and 0 Merit can influence the voting? Activity is easy to farm, Merit isn't.

It is possible for a merit source to merit a large number of members nearing the 50 merits mark and then PM them and buy their votes.

That's true. And if it's discovered, they'll get tagged for it.

A minimum of 30- 50 activity points required to vote will eliminate many things.

Users like Abutaleb628 (882 Activity) or Semar Mesem (1148 Activity) have no business voting.

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[Igebotz]

Am not talking about excluding newbies by using that 50 merit criteria. Am talking about high ranked members who do not have up to that number of merit and as such will be disqualified from the voting process. It is not every member that gets merit when they make posts. And you know that.

If you show me a high ranking member who hasn't earned 50 Merits, I'll show you a member who's either been offline for years, or who's posts aren't worth reading.

Isn't it why we have "submit your post" for merits thread all over the forum? You will not win if you begin this challenge. There are dozens of them out there, and there are quality posters who don't care about the merit system either but they know so much about the forum..

If you want to reduce double voting, use activity points, which are calculated based on how long you've been here.

So all the bounty spamming Newbies with countless accounts with 1000 Activity and 0 Merit can influence the voting? Activity is easy to farm, Merit isn't.

No, the merit system is controlled by the community, it is easier to farm merits, but a user must have been in the forum for at least 2-4 months to farm activity. a newbie with zero knowledge of the forum can register today, make topic and earn 50 merits with his first post, go on and copy-paste votes. (Another disadvantage of using merit point)

It is possible for a merit source to merit a large number of members nearing the 50 merits mark and then PM them and buy their votes.

That's true. And if it's discovered, they'll get tagged for it.  

its already happening, check voters merit history and their choice of candidate, happened last year as well. thank me later.

A minimum of 30- 50 activity points required to vote will eliminate many things.

Users like Abutaleb628 (882 Activity) or Semar Mesem (1148 Activity) have no business voting.

why do you think so?

[Maestro75]

Am not talking about excluding newbies by using that 50 merit criteria. Am talking about high ranked members who do not have up to that number of merit and as such will be disqualified from the voting process.

If you show me a high ranking member who hasn't earned 50 Merits, I'll show you a member who's either been offline for years, or who's posts aren't worth reading.

Even now I ran into one legendary member who has only 5 merits and his posts are not that bad. But to avoid arguments and pointing anyone out so as not to make it look like am mentioning their case I will let this issue go. This user is in a well paying campaign. You would not say he is a shit poster

[Rikafip]

Users like Abutaleb628 (882 Activity) or Semar Mesem (1148 Activity) have no business voting.

why do you think so?

Have you bothered to check their post history? Its literally full of bounty reports and a  barely anything else else. Members like those two don't have any interest  being part of this community, their only goal is to leech off this forum via bounty campaigns and that's about it. So if they don't want to be part of this community, why should they be able to vote in this community event?

Even now I ran into one legendary member who has only 5 merits and his posts are not that bad. But to avoid arguments and pointing anyone out so as not to make it look like am mentioning their case I will let this issue go. This user is in a well paying campaign. You would not say he is a shit poster

Being in a well paid campaign doesn't mean that you are not shitposter as currently there's more spots in campaigns than quality members, which gives a chance to even shitposters to earn bitcoin.

[LoyceV]

Isn't it why we have "submit your post" for merits thread all over the forum? You will not win if you begin this challenge.

If anything, Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source shows that not many good posts are unmerited.

No, the merit system is controlled by the community, it is easier to farm merits, but a user must have been in the forum for at least 2-4 months to farm activity. a newbie with zero knowledge of the forum can register today, make topic and earn 50 merits with his first post, go on and copy-paste votes. (Another disadvantage of using merit point)

There are many times more users with high Activity and no earned Merit, than Newbies who earned 50 Merit on their first post. It's a rare thing. I have enough sMerit to create 48 96 Newbies, give them 50 Merit each, and vote for myself in the "Fail of the Year" category. And if I do that, it'll be blatantly obvious. So I don't think this is likely to be abused in this way.

check voters merit history and their choice of candidate

If you notice irregularities, you should post them here.

[Welsh]

Spambuster should be only for mods and admins to vote. The event of the year, who will take it? There are no user for it normally.

Would probably result in more accurate votes, since a lot of the users that are getting voted for haven't actually reported all that much in the last year, which I think isn't just the case for this category, but multiple categories. Users reputation has x carries over through the years, rather than rewards users for that year in particular, which is a shame.

The only issue with that is I don't think many moderators have voted in the past, and even then only globals really have a good view on it all since they receive all reports, and have a much better idea of those that are contributing than me as an example who only covers certain sections, and new users.

[Little Mouse]

I have gone through a few submission in the meta and find it hard sometimes why people have picked this member or that member. In few categories, I think linking would be great.
I'm trying to find everything from bitcointalk. Since it's "Bitcointalk Community Awards", I think "event of the year", "fail of the year" or some more categories in which people are picking something outside of bitcointalk, should be taken from the forum.

I think miss bitcointalk is a category we should not have from the next years.

It should be lol.

Miss Bitcointalk: BitcoinGirl.Club

[joker_josue]

I have gone through a few submission in the meta and find it hard sometimes why people have picked this member or that member. In few categories, I think linking would be great.
I'm trying to find everything from bitcointalk. Since it's "Bitcointalk Community Awards", I think "event of the year", "fail of the year" or some more categories in which people are picking something outside of bitcointalk, should be taken from the forum.

But how did you choose which is the "event of the year" within the forum? I don't think there are big events in a specific way on the forum, that can be recognized.

I believe that in the local tabs there were some events that may be relevant in these tabs, but this is overlooked by most forum users. So it is difficult to vote only on events that occurred within the forum.

[Welsh]

But how did you choose which is the "event of the year" within the forum? I don't think there are big events in a specific way on the forum, that can be recognized.

I guess the closest would be the Halloween event (which I unfortunately ended up missing), however there wouldn't be too many competitors. I guess certain years we have multiple big talking points, but you're probably right that there's isn't enough to justify limiting it to forum events.

Although, I do like the idea of keeping it forum centric. Local sections tend to have tighter knitted communities, and this is evident on how they vote at times. They usually include users from their local sections.

[Igebotz]

Users like Abutaleb628 (882 Activity) or Semar Mesem (1148 Activity) have no business voting.

why do you think so?

Have you bothered to check their post history? Its literally full of bounty reports and a  barely anything else else. Members like those two don't have any interest  being part of this community, their only goal is to leech off this forum via bounty campaigns and that's about it. So if they don't want to be part of this community, why should they be able to vote in this community event?

I mean, not all members with eligible Activity will likely vote, and not all members with 50 merits will likely vote as well, so it's a matter of interest at the end of the day, and if you make it 30-50 Activity, I don't think any newbies from the bounty section will be interested or have anything to do with it. I'm talking about sincere newbies who are making a positive contribution in their own way and have yet to reach the 50 merits benchmark but would like to vote because they are familiar with the categories and deserving candidates and have been here for a long time.

Isn't it why we have "submit your post" for merits thread all over the forum? You will not win if you begin this challenge.

If anything, Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source shows that not many good posts are unmerited.

No, the merit system is controlled by the community, it is easier to farm merits, but a user must have been in the forum for at least 2-4 months to farm activity. a newbie with zero knowledge of the forum can register today, make topic and earn 50 merits with his first post, go on and copy-paste votes. (Another disadvantage of using merit point)

There are many times more users with high Activity and no earned Merit, than Newbies who earned 50 Merit on their first post. It's a rare thing. I have enough sMerit to create 48 96 Newbies, give them 50 Merit each, and vote for myself in the "Fail of the Year" category. And if I do that, it'll be blatantly obvious. So I don't think this is likely to be abused in this way.

You think those who want to manipulate the voting system don't know that Rome wasn't built in a day? They have been farming since the last election and are already on Full Member or less with more than 50 merits, and as I previously stated, it is easier to gather users from one of those merits threads and build them towards the event. I've already noticed a few, and I'm hoping that my statement here will prevent them from unleashing their farms in the coming days.

check voters merit history and their choice of candidate

If you notice irregularities, you should post them here.

let me pretend that the few I've seen is just a coincidence, don't trust, verify.

[Little Mouse]

I'm talking about sincere newbies who are making a positive contribution in their own way and have yet to reach the 50 merits benchmark but would like to vote because they are familiar with the categories and deserving candidates and have been here for a long time.

Really? If someone is making positive contribution for a long time but haven't received the 50 merits benchmark and still a newbie, they will be spammer in 99%, 1% exception. Lately, I haven't see any such member from a local board even.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I think miss bitcointalk is a category we should not have from the next years.

It should be lol.

Miss Bitcointalk: BitcoinGirl.Club

Wait a minute.

Miss Bitcointalk: BitcoinGirl.Club

Miss Bitcointalk: BitcoinGirl.Club

Miss Bitcointalk: BitcoinGirl.Club

I was off for a day and is it what I had to see 🤣

• Best SpamBuster: BitcoinGirl.Club

• Best SpamBuster: BitcoinGirl.Club

Do you call it best?
Totally injustice to the guy who deserved it. 😉

[lovesmayfamilis]

I think miss bitcointalk is a category we should not have from the next years.

It should be lol.

Miss Bitcointalk: BitcoinGirl.Club

Wait a minute.

Miss Bitcointalk: BitcoinGirl.Club

Miss Bitcointalk: BitcoinGirl.Club

Miss Bitcointalk: BitcoinGirl.Club

I was off for a day and is it what I had to see 🤣

I tend to think that this is another woman, but already without children.

[aysg76]

Really? If someone is making positive contribution for a long time but haven't received the 50 merits benchmark and still a newbie, they will be spammer in 99%, 1% exception. Lately, I haven't see any such member from a local board even.

Don't know if there is any such member in the local boards or general who have contributed effectively to the forum and have made quality post but still not managed ti reach the 50 earned merit level then probably he has not made useful Post.The reason is let's assume he is not noticed by the sources but we already have this thread where he can submit his post for merit as he is familiar with forum as local board submission is also there.

Speaking about general boards then also sources and other members must have merited them but we can say that if we are talking about specific time period like say he has registered few days back or few weeks back then it's hard to earn 50 merits but as said he/she might be familiar with forum categories then he has spend quality time here so he can gain merits as well.We have more merit giving threads like this one from @fillippone also where he can gain additional merits.

But the point is that if 50 merits line is set for submitting your vote then it's fine giving memebers familiar with forum and good members a chance otherwise it will also be spammed up and hard to reach on the final results so keeping it this way is good according to me.

[joker_josue]

Although, I do like the idea of keeping it forum centric. Local sections tend to have tighter knitted communities, and this is evident on how they vote at times. They usually include users from their local sections.

This is another relevant point, which there is no way to control.
It is normal for local tabs to have their own dynamics and to carry out certain types of events, which only have a local impact. And it is also normal for local members to get to know each other better than in a more global way.

So it's easier for me, for example, to choose members from the Portuguese tab than other members. Despite trying to look for members in general, who can fit into each category.

[LoyceV]

So it's easier for me, for example, to choose members from the Portuguese tab than other members.

I don't think that's a bad thing. Local board users won't get any votes from the majority of users who don't read that board, so it's good that some votes reach the local boards if the user is the best match for the category (from your perspective).

[Welsh]

Yeah, it's not a bad thing at all in my opinion, it's just a trend that you can identify. Ultimately, you're going to vote for who you think is deserving of the category, and since local communities are tightly knitted like I said, you've got a sort of bias. However, bias isn't always a bad thing. I don't see it as a bad thing. If you were voting for users that didn't fit a category just because they're in your local section, and you like them that's obviously not ideal.

As LoyceV says, unless the local section user is actually quite popular outside of that section, then they're significantly at a disadvantage anyhow.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I tend to think that this is another woman, but already without children.

I am not going to tell which one is wrong or both are wrong or which one is true or both are true 😉

As LoyceV says, unless the local section user is actually quite popular outside of that section, then they're significantly at a disadvantage anyhow.

The idea is very simple. The award event is a global event for bitcointalk community. If a local section is big enough then they can host their local events and nominate some users on behalf of them so that we can consider these selected users in the global event.

It's similar like miss world event or any other world event. Each of them are their best from their own county and finally competing with others in the global event.

[Welsh]

If a local section is big enough then they can host their local events and nominate some users on behalf of them so that we can consider these selected users in the global event.

Yeah, a few sections could probably pull it off. Potentially, it could then be incorporated in the main award ceremony from icopress. It'd be nice to get a little insight into the local sections. I bet there's tons of users that go unnoticed simply because they don't post much outside of it.

Dare I say it, but they might even be a little more genuine, rather than only voting for the popular choices. Since, they're definitely more tightly knitted than the main sections.

[1miau]

Leaving a few comments here, why I've added some more members to my vote sheet:

• Discovery of the Year: added CoinEraser. As described here, CoinEraser from our German section has been taking some time off the forum previously but he's back now since August and it's great to see him back again, writing meaningful content and of course, his earned Merit is a good proof for that. His efforts have been also rewarded by icopress, who accepted CoinEraser in his signature campaign as icopress is known for only accepting good quality posters.
  Being rewared here in our campaign as well as in icopress' campaign is once again a sign that the posting quality of CoinEraser is a great contribution to the forum and especially the German local board. Therefore I'm nominating CoinEraser as Discovery of the Year.
• Best SpamBuster: added GazetaBitcoin. GazetaBitcoin has a huge experience in combatting spam. GazetaBitcoin's reporting stats are really impressive. And there's more to come: GazetaBitcoin has co-sponsored our campaign to improve posting quality in local boards, where GazetaBitcoin also translated our campaign into Romanian.
  Sure, some trolls and shitposters have complained about our campaign but that's proof enough how important our campaign has been. GazetaBitcoin has had some good appearences, when GazetaBitcoin pointed out (this post deserves some more Merit of course!):
  
  "We really need to start using correctly our native languages. English is spoken all over the world, of course, but mixing it with local language is certainly not a good thing. By doing so we assist to a change to native languages, as more and more may be tempted to use Denglisch / Romglish or any other mix between English and another language.
  
  I spoke, years ago, with a guy I knew and which was adding English words inside each sentence he was saying. And I was correcting him each time. Some day he told me that "this is how the language evolves". I told him "No! This is how the native language regresses, and it's way down is paved by illiterates like you!". He did not talk to me afterwards."
  
  Very well said by GazetaBitcoin.
  And what coincidence, suddenly a Newbie troll appeared, who tried to justify lazy shitposting and "Denglish" (not applying translations from English into German properly). GazetaBitcoin's comment was perfectly pointing out the issue and mabye the troll was triggered by that accurate description of GazetaBitcoin.
  Unfortunately, the moderator of the German section, mole0815, sided with the troll which was a big shame.
  
  The valuable contributions of GazetaBitcoin are a great service to clean up Bitcointalk from spam and shitposts, to encourage forum members to contribute good content and to make everyone aware how to improve posting quality.
  GazetaBitcoin even provided a proofreading of my topics.  
  Yes, GazetaBitcoin is truly dedicated to combatting spam, doing a great job here to call out abusers and improve Bitcointalk as a whole.
• Craft Master: added willi9974 - willi9974 has been added for his various services in the German section (Escrow/Solo-mining runs) and his seed steel plates. He's a perfect pick for Craft Master.

I've linked my explanations in the voting topic from icopress to avoid too much text in my voting list.