Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship

[efxes]

de-escalating until further word from cloudbet

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[RedApples]

Hello Mods, this user RedApples made an account here just solely for the purpose of harassing and bullying a user and victim (myself).  Is there anything that can be done about this?  I have strong reason to believe it is Cloudbet themselves taking all of their anger and frustration out on me without having to deal with regulation or oversight from their licensors and regulators.  They are an anonymous cryptocurrency book believing they can extort documents from people and get away with anything.


https://i.imgur.com/QNcBmXl.png

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5112310.0

Yeah right. Just another lie. Amidst your scam attempt you were trying to throw anyone and everyone under the bus. You admitted to this. I was helping you on another site, and when it all went to flames over there, you posted about me here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55347520#msg55347520

I came from the other site, and made an account, due to the nature of your lies and attempt to extort Cloudbet. It's kinda silly for you to insinuate that I 'made an account here for the sole purpose of harassing and bullying a user and victim', when you were tarnishing my name before I even got here. Mind you, you were attempting to dox me for pointing out the fact that you were trying to extort Cloudbet, something you wound up in the end admitting to. To portray yourself as a victim, and not Cloudbet or myself given what you've done is incredible.

The post above is a decent starting point for anyone to see what you were doing. You've been an unfair actor this entire time. You shouldn't be allowed on any site to further attempt to discredit people. Your accusations are all completely fabricated.

To be very clear, I made an account here solely to portray the truth. A truth for which many (all?) users removed their support of your flag and in turn stated what you did and are doing to users is/was reprehensible.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55378202#msg55378202
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55354524#msg55354524
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55357853#msg55357853

besides he is breaking the forum rules he also lied: " Confession (archive) " and has no reason to continue with this claim because he is wrong, @cloudbet, I want to apologize for leaving negative feedback and supporting the flag in this case of user @efxes, clearly he lied, broke your TOS and as if that weren't enough he was able to create another account: @cloudbetscamsDOTCOM and created the website cloudbetscams.com to destroy the reputation of cloudbet even though he was wrong. these are very regrettable and shameful things and I do not believe that I defended this guy in this thread. I feel ashamed

I am extremely disappointed after reading this confession.

Regardless of what the truth actually is - you seem to have lied multiple times and now cannot be trusted at all.

I have removed my support of the flag against Cloudbet and have removed my negative trust for them too because I am no longer interested in this drama.

I even sent them a PM yesterday asking for them to release the funds as it was affecting your mental well-being but since all that was exaggerated I will not be participating in your issue again:


 

[efxes]

The truth is that the support was reversed because I came clean on my own accord to confess that I lied about VPN'ing in from the states.

I do apologize to you, RedApples if I offended you in any way.  Or to Cloudbet, or to the community. 

The facts are that I VPN'd in from the USA and then I lied about doing that after sending about $25,000 in bitcoin cash and attempting to retrieve $15,000 of that bitcoin cash. 

Cloudbet is now evaporating that balance.

I can't take the personal attacks, and I will wait for any word from Cloudbet on the new facts presented in the case.  Until then I am awaiting word.  I appreciate any sympathy for the case that anyone may have.  But I can't give RedApples the credit for the reversal in negative feedbacks.  And besides, what does that matter when Cloudbet's feedback already looks like this?

[RedApples]

Apology not accepted. I just had to spend the night defending against all of your lies and smears on SportsbookReview.

You will not stop attacking others. You were just on SBR accusing posters as being owners of Cloudbet:
For anyone just coming to the thread, Mike has been outed and CONFIRMED a part-owner of Cloudbet. Kona, Mike, RedApples, and a few others.

You are a disingenuous liar. Jumping from site to site after you are exposed on one, and then start with a misleading story on the other.

Proof is here:
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p9.html

[efxes]

I hold no ill will, and seriously do apologize if I overstepped bounds.

Listen, I will be very happy moving on with my life.  I'm for the most part done updating the thread.  I wish you the very best in your ventures, I don't know why you took such a keen interest in my case- but I will put no more mental energy into this crap. 

I will make amends in whatever way you would like.  Other than that, I can't control how other people feel, and I do wish you well.  I'm sorry if I left a bad impression in my heated posts.

[RedApples]

I hold no ill will, and seriously do apologize if I overstepped bounds.

Listen, I will be very happy moving on with my life.  I'm for the most part done updating the thread.  I wish you the very best in your ventures, I don't know why you took such a keen interest in my case- but I will put no more mental energy into this crap.  

I will make amends in whatever way you would like.  Other than that, I can't control how other people feel, and I do wish you well.  I'm sorry if I left a bad impression in my heated posts.

Understand this very clearly, and remember it, lest you come to try to discredit me in the future and act like you don't recognize it by now. I was an honest poster on a site (SBR). You came to ask for help from me, and the community at large. I spent time attempting to help you. I offered you advice. In turn, since you were in the middle of lying to get paid, you threw me under the bus. You attempted to discredit me, and smear me. You've done that all the way up to today. It hasn't stopped. You've done it across many sites. You've said things that are clearly not true, and lied continuously. You forced me to defend myself. I do not want to see you succeed in getting away with what you've done to me, or Cloudbet. That isn't what I view as being honest, or having any integrity at all.

You know all of these things to be 100% true and accurate. I've posted all of the details to verify all of these things. You can stop pretending that you don't understand, and that things are something they are not. You were literally smearing me mere minutes ago on SBR as linked above, yet here you try to act completely different. It's not right. This is like the 5th time we've been down this circle of you aggressively attacking, then playing some hopeless confused victim, then attempting to stir things up again by aggressively attacking. Please let this be the last one. The proof is already out there. Everyone knows. It's over.

[efxes]

I hold no ill will, and seriously do apologize if I overstepped bounds.

Listen, I will be very happy moving on with my life.  I'm for the most part done updating the thread.  I wish you the very best in your ventures, I don't know why you took such a keen interest in my case- but I will put no more mental energy into this crap. 

I will make amends in whatever way you would like.  Other than that, I can't control how other people feel, and I do wish you well.  I'm sorry if I left a bad impression in my heated posts.

Understand this very clearly, and remember it, lest you come to try to discredit me in the future and act like you don't recognize it by now. I was an honest poster on a site (SBR). You came to ask for help from me, and the community at large. I spent time attempting to help you. I offered you advice. In turn, since you were in the middle of lying to get paid, you threw me under the bus. You attempted to discredit me, and smear me. You've done that all the way up to today. It hasn't stopped. You've done it across many sites. You've said things that are clearly not true, and lied continuously. You forced me to defend myself. I do not want to see you succeed in getting away with what you've done to me, or Cloudbet. That isn't what I view as being honest, or having any integrity at all.

You know all of these things to be 100% true and accurate.

OK man, so how do we please come to a peaceful resolution.  I just want to move on with my life.  It's a nightmare.  I don't want to think about getting this $15,000 taken any more.  I don't ever want to think about the words Cloud bet any more either.  I don't even want to think about the word bet. 

How can we just move on man.

[RedApples]

I hold no ill will, and seriously do apologize if I overstepped bounds.

Listen, I will be very happy moving on with my life.  I'm for the most part done updating the thread.  I wish you the very best in your ventures, I don't know why you took such a keen interest in my case- but I will put no more mental energy into this crap. 

I will make amends in whatever way you would like.  Other than that, I can't control how other people feel, and I do wish you well.  I'm sorry if I left a bad impression in my heated posts.

Understand this very clearly, and remember it, lest you come to try to discredit me in the future and act like you don't recognize it by now. I was an honest poster on a site (SBR). You came to ask for help from me, and the community at large. I spent time attempting to help you. I offered you advice. In turn, since you were in the middle of lying to get paid, you threw me under the bus. You attempted to discredit me, and smear me. You've done that all the way up to today. It hasn't stopped. You've done it across many sites. You've said things that are clearly not true, and lied continuously. You forced me to defend myself. I do not want to see you succeed in getting away with what you've done to me, or Cloudbet. That isn't what I view as being honest, or having any integrity at all.

You know all of these things to be 100% true and accurate.

OK man, so how do we please come to a peaceful resolution.  I just want to move on with my life.  It's a nightmare.  I don't want to think about getting this $15,000 taken any more.  I don't ever want to think about the words Cloud bet any more either.  I don't even want to think about the word bet. 

How can we just move on man.

Sounds great, just stop posting on the topic. Let's not see you quote this post somewhere else to say that I'm Cloudbet trying to silence you. I'm going to take your post here as an honest desire to end things. I don't want to be forced to have to continue to defend myself and Cloudbet over what you've done. This is the only time I will accept an offer to compromise and end things.

[efxes]

We may not agree on a lot of things about the case.  My silence pending official word from Cloudbet or private emailing with Cloudbet or accepting a monetary settlement from Cloudbet is not out of the question for me.

However I agree I cannot nor deserve to torture myself with taking the heat of these posts after outing myself because of my inability to keep a secret or be dishonest. 

I just can't take the heat nor do I deserve this for myself.  We disagree on a lot of things- but I appreciate you offering your hand to try and resolve our disagreements and I appreciate it more than you know.  It is very fair.

[RedApples]

Please answer these questions with question marks directly.

When you say you just want to move on with your life and this to come to an end, etc, what do you mean?

Because you can stop at any time, but you've continued to post.

Do you not recognize that you've continued to smear me since I first tried to help you and sniffed out the lies in your story?

Do you think its okay that you have knowingly made up stories about me and continued to smear me on many sites?

Do you admit that you completely fabricated that I own Cloudbet, as well as others? And that you were just merely making things up to discredit me in an effort to help your story?

I'm more than happy to see you try to get your money back in an honest way. But until you are very clear on what you've been dishonest about, if you continue to try to get paid while still having built a full stack of lies it's not gonna go over well. I personally don't feel good when I read any of your posts, knowing where you are coming from, and what you've done to myself as well as others.

I'm baffled at how you don't think you deserve the heat that you've gotten.

[efxes]

Objection, argumentative.

Man, let's move on.  Okay?  I will not post any more, you will not hunt me down and kill my family.  Deal?  You're borderline stalking me on the internet right now.

Seriously man, I need to get a truce from you.  I don't want to wake up tomorrow and even think about this case.  Cloudbet is a shady company.  End of story.  I'm done posting about it until I get an official word from them.

[RedApples]

Objection, argumentative.

Man, let's move on.  Okay?  I will not post any more, you will not hunt me down and kill my family.  Deal?  You're borderline stalking me on the internet right now.

Seriously man, I need to get a truce from you.  I don't want to wake up tomorrow and even think about this case.  Cloudbet is a shady company.  End of story.  I'm done posting about it until I get an official word from them.

No, it's not okay. If you cannot answer very simple fair questions then I have nothing to offer you. You act like you don't know why I'm still continuing. Yet you won't be honest. I'm trying to deal with you on a human level to try to get you to come clean of the accusations you've made against me but you won't even do that. I have nothing left to offer you. It's all always a ruse with you to try to get paid.

I will clearly end with this again, and hold firm to this:

Apology not accepted. I just had to spend the night defending against all of your lies and smears on SportsbookReview.

You will not stop attacking others. You were just on SBR accusing posters as being owners of Cloudbet:
"For anyone just coming to the thread, Mike has been outed and CONFIRMED a part-owner of Cloudbet. Kona, Mike, RedApples, and a few others."

You are a disingenuous liar. Jumping from site to site after you are exposed on one, and then start with a misleading story on the other.

Proof is here:
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p9.html

[efxes]

how can we end this amicably please.

[efxes]

OK man I will answer all of your questions.  Please.  I don't want any beef, please.

[smyslov]

how can we end this amicably please.

Can you resolve this with between you two on telegram you two are on a long drama I think it's better that you continue this on Skype or better on telegram and just post here what you two agreed if you want to end this or plan to take action between each other, there are some discussion that should be between you two, so goodluck.

[msarro]

Why do i have the feeling that redappales is the alt account from Cloudbet? it is to obvious. if you do not own the casino, there is really no reason to defend them so hard.
posting sometimes an argument is understandable, but redapples is obsessed and that is only done when you have a role in the situation.
by the way, i think efxes was maybe not honest about everything in the situation, but most important for me is that cloudbet should have taken better measures to avoid what now happened.
cloudbet wants to be a professional organization, then act professional and solve it professional.

[Maasdamer]

Why do i have the feeling that redappales is the alt account from Cloudbet? it is to obvious. if you do not own the casino, there is really no reason to defend them so hard.
posting sometimes an argument is understandable, but redapples is obsessed and that is only done when you have a role in the situation.
by the way, i think efxes was maybe not honest about everything in the situation, but most important for me is that cloudbet should have taken better measures to avoid what now happened.
cloudbet wants to be a professional organization, then act professional and solve it professional.

There is nothing to solve here.
The guy violated several terms ( no americnas allowed, multiaccounting ) and now he complains and cries about it. And he lied to cb and the community here as well as on other websites.
He is just a desperate degen.

I still hope he will get back max 1$, thats all he deserves for this behaviour.

[efxes]

What is with this sudden policy change after such a sincere post by Cloudbet two years ago in a previous case (one of many).  This is alarming to say the least and should be cause for community concern about their ability to pay out large wins ($15,000 is not a large win by the way, and was also less than my deposit which is even MORE alarming) and liquidity issues.  It has been two years since they have shown proof of funds.

i want to gently ask cloudbet to please respond it's been 6 weeks and no word about a payment, partial payment, anything.  They know I am under duress and have given all the facts moving forward, please take a look at the case cloudbet. 

[BitcoinAccepted]

I'm afraid it's never going to be resolved this way. It might be useful if we start looking at the figures in concrete terms.

@efxes
How much have you deposited in total on Cloudbet and how much have you withdrawn in total?

[efxes]

Click this post to see the drawn out figures breakdown

The total means I am down still over 2 bitcoins even if I were paid out (negative 2 bitcoins) so these are the figures. 
I realize above is the long drawn out post, it could be much more concise, but basically:
I am down about 2 bitcoins on the site and all the factual information is above, with provable pictures on imgur of the deposits and withdrawals on the site!