we need more volatility and faster bear bull bigger losses or bigger profits

[exstasie]

I totally disagree with this, we need to learn to live with stable prices and we do not need volatility to keep us going. If the only thing that makes people interested in bitcoin is the fact that it is a volatile currency and you could trade it to make more profit, that means you are not doing it right, you are not even interested in bitcoin itself, you are interested in making a profit in fiat and that is why you should not be here at all.

If there wasn't volatility most people wouldn't be here. And for many years to come it's still going to be the prime draw. I'm sure many people have been converted into true believers after that being the reason they arrived but let's not kid ourselves.

Without sleazy speculators it would be nowhere near where it is today and possibly nowhere at all.

Damn straight. Credit where credit is due. I am confident speculators represent a healthy chunk of overall Bitcoin adoption. The majority, if we're being honest.

I came for the volatility. I stayed for the technology and financial freedom.

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[Ridwan Fauzi]

Wrong board mate, you should make this thread in this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0 or you can move it now.

The real investor or trader will avoid it, they will choose a safe place to gain profit. Not just storing money in a project and they will get profit or loss in several times. This is not a gambling purpose, you should be able to tell the difference among them, yeah I think your point is more suitable to gamble, why don't you choose that? The project should have a real function to avoid the price huge drop, by that there will be many people who like the project although it is gradually.

[MCobian]

Crypto trading does require patience, the market is not always volatile. Sometimes it's like now a market that looks stable.
I understand some traders do expect the market to be up to 1000% bear or bull. And can be used to take advantage of volatile
price movements. But if the market is too volatile it is not good in my opinion, there will be a pump and dump. And this will
make a lot of newbie disadvantaged, because if there is a pump and dump in the market, most newbies usually buy coins at
the peak price. I prefer the market like now, let the volatile market occur naturally.

[Salauddin1994]

It is never possible to trade without patience and control of emotions in case of trading there will be risk that the market not be stable in one place rise and fall and start trading seeing the volatility of the market. No one can tell when the bull run this is why entrepreneurs need to think positively and always wait patiently for their own development if the market is pumped all traders will get its instability.

[EdenHazard]

Damn baby you are looking for the quickest way to get a lot of money eh?

Goodluck i bet you will going nowhere but ended up with misery, yeah that high expectations are so destructive. Be more realistic and just trade slowly , compounding and so on.
The process might take a long time , but believe me the results in the end is so satisfying.

[beerlover]

If you really want to make profit you could make profit during stable times as well, especially during stable times it is easier because you do not have wild movements that could make you lose money.

For example, you could simply play the spread and make money from 10.400 to 10.600, you do not need it higher or lower, you could put margin trading as well and jack it up to 100x as well and you could play with it, it is going to be a bit tough but you could spend very little money and make a lot of money from the quickest and shortest moves in the market that way.

I am not saying do that, but all I am saying is that it is totally possible to do it. So, we do not need the market to go up and down like an elevator, it could stay stable and still could bring in profit.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

This DeFi hypes was killing the industry instead of strengthening it, the days of yFI and food related memes related coins should be dead by now, scammers were using it to milk gullible and noobs Investors of their hard earned money.

This short term bear market came at the right time as it'll wipe aways most of the fakes in the market and only leave the legitimate company new of average with great marketing concept.

The volatility are good as that's what make the market interesting and attractive but you should also note that, it's chasing away some potential investors mostly interested in assets that can be precise as a store of value which is something the bitcoin currency is been precised to offer but the volatility doesn't support that.

[Emitdama]

Mate it doesn’t work that way. Yes investment is all about taking risks, but the way you have described it here is not how it works. I know that you’re saying this because you want to make quick money from the market, or are you ready to lose money?

You said up to 100%, so let’s imagine that you invest money and the market drops that much in a day, would you be ready to accept losing that much? So, man don’t say things you can’t take. You people are only interested in making quick money and it’s so annoying, you all lack patience. Relax man, if you want to make money, you should be ready to work very hard for it. Stop looking for fast means, you might end up in a situation you will regret.

[Coin_trader]

1000% is nothing more than crazy figure because some volatility itself people find it inappropriate and due to which some investors do not invest in it. Also, when the volatility is very high it is good for traders to trade on either side, but here also only experienced or expert trader are successful rest of them if chose the wrong side will lead to heavy losses.

In reality, Volume is what matters rather than volatility. Just like what you said, a 1000% volatility is a crazy figure especially when it occurs during a short time span. A real trader will never trade on a coin without volume even thought it volatility was very high because you can't still have profit out of it if you can't sell all your order in the order book due to lack of liquidity. The OP of this is just desperate maybe because he loses the majority of his portfolio. This topic can't be considered as a trading discussion because it looks like OP description is more pertaining to a PONZI scheme.

[imstillthebest]

no bro dont me . im not here on crypto to get rich but i just love the way crypto work and it helps me most of the time mostly for online transactions . there could be crypto usere that are like me that being rich is not priority . im not saying im already rich but others can be , i dont know .  the thread is best to pm to the whales but you are lucky if there are whales that are a part of this forum and they can see this post .  im not against with this , but ill accept if whatever the fate lies on crypto . non volatile or volatile , crypro can still be useable for online transactions .

[Yamifoud]

I'm already satisfied with the current trend, I've done with the adjustment.
We want more volatile to get rich easily? No, I didn't find this a solution to your problem (not mine). The more it becomes volatile the higher risk it comes and I don't think that many will have their drive to trading if they will see this thing. Not for sure, IMO.

There are no shortcuts in becoming rich and not trading could make it.

[SquallLeonhart]

If people are not here because there is no volatility and they will leave, let them leave, we do not need them. We need people who will stay here because bitcoin is great and they want to be part of bitcoin revolution and they want to be part of people who spend and earn bitcoin instead of trade it or invest to it.

There must be a lot of people who think bitcoin is a currency like it was intended to be and use it that way, I do not think that every single person interested in the trading part of bitcoin even though that is a big part of the deal as well. Hopefully they will realize that even if the volume is low and stability has been around for a long time there are ways to make money in bitcoin world and they should be focusing on those parts of it to profit.

[AakZaki]

All you think about is big profits without good experiences. you have to remember that when you trade you will not always be lucky. You need high votes continuously, so you also have to be prepared for bigger losses when you are not lucky.

The market is not controlled by one person, but everyone controls the market. You can't make it the way you want it, you have to understand market movements so you can keep up with it.

You get 100% profit, but then you get 200% loss, it just makes you lose everything.

[so98nn]

Dam that’s too much to ask from the crypto space dude. Seriously look at those number you talking of. I mean like 1000% ROI and 100% profiting in 5 minutes. Well if you wanna do that then why not go and ask quantum computer when would be the next bull run. Lolz. It might just help you give such returns in zero time. There is no freaking way to do that, you are playing all this based on greedy emotions. The faster you wanna be rich the faster you will loose your assets. Crypto is just another technological advancement to help with our daily use, it’s not an instrument to get rich quick.

[carter34]

When it is stable like now, time to accumulate!

I believe on this time too for buying. Price of bitcoin has been stable for sometime since two months, it has been around $10,000. After this stable price, it can pick to $12,000 and above because festival for December is around.

[justdimin]

If you really want to make profit you could make profit during stable times as well, especially during stable times it is easier because you do not have wild movements that could make you lose money.

For example, you could simply play the spread and make money from 10.400 to 10.600, you do not need it higher or lower, you could put margin trading as well and jack it up to 100x as well and you could play with it, it is going to be a bit tough but you could spend very little money and make a lot of money from the quickest and shortest moves in the market that way.

I am not saying do that, but all I am saying is that it is totally possible to do it. So, we do not need the market to go up and down like an elevator, it could stay stable and still could bring in profit.

There are also bots that could make a thousand trades a day if you give it that order and can make you tiny bit of profit as much as you want.

For example, you put an order at $10.5k to buy and sell at $10.6k and just let it be, for the whole day whenever it goes down and up it buys and sells, you could make it even smaller if you want, you can calculate the trading fee and omit that from the profit and see at how much you can buy and at how much you can sell.

If you want even more advanced there are bots for futures as well so you could do high leverage and even make more profit from the tiniest bit of movements.

There are tons of bots like that, I am not going to give any names not to advertise them (not for free at least lol) but leverage trading bots are great for these boring days.

[CucakRowo]

What i need most are :
1. Fast when transfer
2. Cheap fees while transferring.
3. Blockchain technology can be applied in daily life.
4. Widely coins distributions
5. Safety

Combination of all those mentioned above can create more :
1. Acceptance
2. Adoption

So people started to use crypto more easily, safety and without any dobt. This will create confidence that crypto is useful in daily life. And people starting to hodl crypto as one of their investments portfolio. In long term it will be good for crypto price.

[Akiko]

1000% is nothing more than crazy figure because some volatility itself people find it inappropriate and due to which some investors do not invest in it. Also, when the volatility is very high it is good for traders to trade on either side, but here also only experienced or expert trader are successful rest of them if chose the wrong side will lead to heavy losses.

And other will be affraid to the market that can't manage to maintain its price , this is only good for those greedy person that want to earn quick money by having large movement .but real investors will be  afraid of that kind of market and many will surely marked bitcoin as one of the dangerous market and do you really think that's good news? No! Many will lost in that kind of market and many will not trust bitcoin as one of the investment choices.

[Wapfika]

Dam that’s too much to ask from the crypto space dude. Seriously look at those number you talking of. I mean like 1000% ROI and 100% profiting in 5 minutes. Well if you wanna do that then why not go and ask quantum computer when would be the next bull run. Lolz. It might just help you give such returns in zero time. There is no freaking way to do that, you are playing all this based on greedy emotions. The faster you wanna be rich the faster you will loose your assets. Crypto is just another technological advancement to help with our daily use, it’s not an instrument to get rich quick.

Crypto should not only the basis to make profit or a living, it requires time and a huge capital so when big adoption happens he will be able to get a good ROI.those who are able to earn a lot from 2017 hype also waited year before they earn that, the y buy it at lowest and waited or maybe trade and find ways to acquire more so when bull run happens they have save a lot and are ready to ride and gain profit from all the work and years they waited.

[Shasha80]

If you want instant profit by expecting more volatility, that means you don't have patience. In fact, to be successful in trading,
one of the keys to success is being patient. Trading when market conditions are high volatility, more risky than trading when it
is less volatile as it is now. Don't rush to make a bigger profit, the result you will be experience bigger losses. I suggest starting
to learn to trade in market conditions like now, if you succeed in making a profit, it means that you are ready to face a high volatile
market. But if the current market conditions you are losing, I am sure you will experience losses as well as trading in a high volatile
market.