If you received a merit...

[suchmoon]

this has often resulted in my meriting a series of posts in a particular thread supporting many positions i may not personally have an opinion on or agree with.

I've been accused of meriting ideologically-impure opinions on Bitcoin transaction throughput or some shit like that. As if lack of merits would make those opinions disappear.

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[Peanutswar]

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Im glad that I received merit came from suchmoon lol.

But how do you even get it wrong? A separate tab opens when you click "merit" and you get to enter how many merits you want to send to that post. I just couldn't think how you'll commit two mistakes in a row.

Human error still exists mate, there is a chance or possibility that you can make a misclick if you often giving merit to other members.


It does it mean...

• You give helpful feedback
• You give a good content
• You posted informative thread
• I like the information
• It gives me idea and curiosity
• I see that you are improving

[NavI_027]

It does it mean...

• You give helpful feedback
• You give a good content
• You posted informative thread
• I like the information
• It gives me idea and curiosity
• I see that you are improving

Nice, this list is more inspiring . But I also get what OP is pointing about. So whatever reason might be, whether the sender's hand slipped and merit the wrong member or not, as a receiver you must react properly. Learn to enjoy simple treats but don't appreciate it too much because it might lead you to wrong conclusions.

Also, know the difference of being joyful and boastful, receiving merits (especially from well known members) here doesn't give us the right to brag ourselves. Always choose to stay humble and kind.

[suchmoon]

Also, know the difference of being joyful and boastful, receiving merits (especially from well known members) here doesn't give us the right to brag ourselves. Always choose to stay humble and kind.

You can brag... just keep in mind that until you get to maybe 50-100 received merits from 20+ different senders you can't really draw any statistically significant conclusions from it.

Nor should anyone at any time try to earn merits. Merits are supposed to follow good posts, not the other way around.

[PrimeNumber7]

Also, know the difference of being joyful and boastful, receiving merits (especially from well known members) here doesn't give us the right to brag ourselves. Always choose to stay humble and kind.

You can brag... just keep in mind that until you get to maybe 50-100 received merits from 20+ different senders you can't really draw any statistically significant conclusions from it.

I have received nearly 800 merit from over 100 unique people in the span of approximately 18 months. I don't try to earn merit, but I do try to put a lot of effort into what I write, especially when I am wearing a paid signature, but also in general.

I have noticed my posts that I put more effort into tend to receive more merit. This means if someone has received merit for a post, they should try to put similar amounts of effort into other posts.

I have noticed some merit sources tend to read (and in turn give merit for posts in) certain subsets of sections, that will vary from merit source to merit source. This should not be unexpected (few people will read threads in every sub), but there are some subs with low traffic that receive small amounts of merit. I believe this will lead to these subs receiving even less traffic.

[Upgrade00]

receiving reward allows your posts to be useful to those who read them and reward you

Merits do not increase the credibility of the content you put out neither does it make them more useful. Merit awarding does not mean the meriter wholly agrees with a post, but they found something worth commending in it; could be effort or genuine willingness to learn.

but there are people who make it like a community to send gifts to each other, this has happened and they are just looking for a gift to increase account rankings, and what do you think?
is it legal?

How users choose to award merits is a personal decision as quality is subjective. Overtime users who regularly give out quality content would stand out and this could look like a community, similar to the merit cycling club allusion. There are also local boards where members merit posts they most understand or relate best to, both scenarios may strike someone looking in from outside the wrong way, but that does not make it unethical.
In my opinion, there's nothing illegal about merit transactions except when it is bought, or given to alt accounts.

[suchmoon]

receiving reward allows your posts to be useful to those who read them and reward you, but there are people who make it like a community to send gifts to each other, this has happened and they are just looking for a gift to increase account rankings, and what do you think?
is it legal?

Sending someone who is not a total shitposter some merits needed to rank up is not an issue. Using merits to rank up your account farm is a big issue. Lots of possibilities in between. Perhaps the community makes good posts. Perhaps the community is full of sockpuppets. One thing for sure - sending or receiving merits is not a proof of anything. You would need to show that there is actual misuse or abuse going on if you want to pursue such cases.

And none of it is illegal... just some of it might be frowned upon or considered untrustworthy.

[SiNeReiNZzz]

... it likely means that:

• You made a post and someone thought it's a good post, or perhaps someone clicked the wrong button. (I love your sense of humour)  

It doesn't mean that:

• Anyone else thinks it's a good post.
• Anyone likes your post or you.
• Anyone agrees with your post or with you.
• Your post is right or righteous.
• You're not a shitposter.
• You're trustworthy.
• You're not dumb.
• Your post doesn't break the forum rules.
• You'll get any more merits for that post or any post.
• You should try making more such posts.
• You should pester other users for merit.

Just some inspirational-motivational thoughts for your Monday. May or may not be based on a true story.

Oh yes, to read about this subject with the Merits, is also always too delicious...  

I love to read through the thread here!
And between the trash and the rubbish I keep seeing these great shining sunrays, which make this forum shine in a great light for me, again and again.
Strangely enough, these are also the users who have the most of these so-called merits here.
Maybe it is because they do something better, than the rubbish and trash I mentioned above... Does it!?

And yes, I am really firmly convinced!

As a result of my longer absence here in the forum, through the theft of my account about 4 years ago, and the succesful recovery not too long ago
(although I didn't no more believe in it in my mind), of course I missed exactly the moment with the introduction of the merits system
(and also the trust-System (DT1,DT2...)
Something like that did not exist at my time here in the forum...

Therefore, of course, I completely lack the experience, but it's not like I haven't read a lot about it, since I got back on board...
I think, it is a good solution to separate the wheat from the chaff in this way!
I will educate myself a little more...

Of course everything has its advantages and disadvantages, and something like the creation of a merit-monopoly can be quickly assumed.
But that is not my impression that this would be the case!

I have also collected a few merits in the last months, but it's not like I'm begging for these at any time or writing something just for the reason to hope for a few more merits in my accountstatistics.
Of course a higher ranking is nice to look at, but it does not show the person behind it... Think about it!  
It is only 1 parameter of many, that express a good reputation and if only some here would rather focus on THESE other parameters... to the honest and human ones... This would be a good start!
As a good person with a good hear, without bad ulterior motives, but the desire for pure exchange of knowledge and mutual help, and maybe even a heated discussion every now and then (for what a forum is there for, damn it), does it all by itself, without thinking about it.
And lo and behold, these merits come all by themselves, received from members who think in a lot of ways, the same way as I do...
And only these received merits, are these ones you can really call merits, i think!

I also think, apart from those who have nothing good in own mind, from the beginning anyway,
but those who really have a good heart and wonder why there are few or no merits for them:

Do not blame others, but to reflect yourself!
Reconsider your attitude!
And just try not to think about the topic of merits.
Believe me, you will be surprised...

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[Mr.sprin]

open a bitcointalk account and see the merit go up one to two merits and you feel happy, the posts that you made before are read by other people and useful, have you ever felt such pleasure?

[SiNeReiNZzz]

open a bitcointalk account and see the merit go up one to two merits and you feel happy, the posts that you made before are read by other people and useful, have you ever felt such pleasure?

No offence meant, please do not misunderstand me wrong with the following:

/edit: Apart from the fact that you did not receive any merits (with this account).

A quick question:  Do you have children?
Based on your testimony, I would say no.

I think that has little to do with pleasure...
For me it is maximum a recognition, and not more!

[suchmoon]

open a bitcointalk account and see the merit go up one to two merits and you feel happy, the posts that you made before are read by other people and useful, have you ever felt such pleasure?

Yes. But this makes me wonder how you are such an expert on merit recipient emotions...

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Mr.sprin

Total records: 0

[LoyceV]

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Mr.sprin

Total records: 0

I've suggested it before but I'll do it again: Users should be banned if they make 1000 posts without earning a single Merit

[TheBeardedBaby]

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Mr.sprin

Total records: 0

I've suggested it before but I'll do it again: Users should be banned if they make 1000 posts without earning a single Merit

But what about all those bounty hunters posting their infinite Twitter and Facebook reports? They will be left without a job, hungry and on the streets begging... /s
Then who is going to end on my competions which I do from time? It will be boring..

[icopress]

I've suggested it before but I'll do it again: Users should be banned if they make 1000 posts without earning a single Merit

LoyceV, What about you? You wrote the first 3000 messages and did not receive any merit. 

[suchmoon]

I've suggested it before but I'll do it again: Users should be banned if they make 1000 posts without earning a single Merit

LoyceV, What about you? You wrote the first 3000 messages and did not receive any merit. 

Good point. Banning all pre-2018 users would solve all concerns about the fairness (or lack thereof) of the airdropped merits.

[AB de Royse777]

I've suggested it before but I'll do it again: Users should be banned if they make 1000 posts without earning a single Merit

LoyceV, What about you? You wrote the first 3000 messages and did not receive any merit.  

Good point. Banning all pre-2018 users would solve all concerns about the fairness (or lack thereof) of the airdropped merits.

Nope! Not all!! :-D
If the first 1000 post is the threshold then I think I survive :-P

PS: Lately too many merit posts again in this board and I blame it to suchmoon /s
15 none sticky topics about merit in the first page
https://archive.vn/wip/qUJ0e!

[KaneVWE]

What ? Now merit score isn't a super accurate indicator of undeniable value when analysed objectively?
That must be why you said the terms good poster and bad poster are meaningless without strict definition and criteria to measure against.

I agree with you on the fact that, merit isn't an accurate indicator but then, it reflects the judgement of the people, their perception and how they see your post to be credible to the context of the forum.

So the only issue is..
why is this meaningless garbage the basis for the trust system ?
Why do campaign managers put any stock in this meaningless nonsense?

I wonder what the basis could have been in a moderated secured system where your barely familiar with any user but still hopes to do business with them. There's got to be some form of ratings in place to distinguish put some users up front of others based on their contributions and activities on the forum though, using the trust system is still rightly based on users discretion. It only gives you an idea on how to navigate.

It really doesn't matter I guess to any that are not here for financial reasons.
The only shame is that theymos sanctioned those controlling this meaningless crap to manipulate the forum software into turning their petty gripes and annoyance at being whistle blown on into fake lies of scamming and claims of financially motivated wrongdoing.

I won't say the forum isn't strongly moderated as it uses to be besides, the newbies now seem to have done a little bit of research to have persisted else, I see a couple of ban appeals still on this same board and have seen a user complain to have been banned due to report by a moderator but then, this is a claim that could be looked into and banning whistle blowers without evidence, I don't think anyone could be banned without an evidence of some sort.

A members true value is based only upon any lasting change their posts resulted in.  Whether that be for bitcoin,  another project or for a group of people who's lives you have changed in a huge way they didn't expect.

I agree with you on this point but then, this is basically based on the users judgement and the level of response from the masses can't be totally wrong. Not having a single user as the judge of a post but the forum itself is a concrete idea to better authenticate a post.

Your quite an experienced user and poster to be a Jr. Member, I give you that.

The problem is that without some stipulation or definition or criteria as the Lower threshold of good.
Or even an guarantee that the person believes the post to be good ( however weird and wonderful good is to them) then there is nothing preventing the member meriting what they know is a completely misleading net negative piece of garbage aka not good.

This therefore means that they know wilfully that there is no credibility or reliability or value at all to the post and they could wilfully merit misleading net negative shit. What is to stop them? What is to motivate them? Well read the " most important thread you can contribute to ..." on this very board.

Yes, some reliable, credible and useful metric could be sensible but merit is not anywhere near that.
There is no sensible argument  ( which will stand up to scrutiny)that merit is useful.  

If you want people to look at merit and say well the more merit the more inaccurate more misleading it is then that is likely more useful in meta and rep. I have not examined the other boards as much.

If people are relying on merit as some kind of metric or accurate and useful indication of useful data then ..... ?

I liked your reply though. It represents what many people probably think, and is perhaps why they are willing to give the system a chance. I mean if so many people genuinely consider it a good post then maybe there is some value? That is very optimistic

But do they?really?

Do people do they really reward what they think is objectively optimal for all persons aka the truth or what is best for them?
You know the answer and so do I. Even at this very moment.

People find merit in what is best for them. That is only natural. Any designer should know this.



  

[icopress]

Good point. Banning all pre-2018 users would solve all concerns about the fairness (or lack thereof) of the airdropped merits.

By the way, I could not help but notice that it is already autumn and you and the guys from your club are pedaling without warm hats. 

[Nellayar]

We received merits because the specific post we did help and amazed them.

It does not mean that all of our posts have quality and amaze everyone. For me, merit is just an instrument in order to provide quality post for individual and measures how a certain user help and share knowledge / experience in forum. Those who have a lot of earned merits are deserve to be honored and respect because they did a lot to achieve that goal. Except for those who have 1000 earned merits by means of airdropped.

Good point. Banning all pre-2018 users would solve all concerns about the fairness (or lack thereof) of the airdropped merits.

The best thing to do is to ban those users who have no earned merits until now. When they get banned, quality posts goes high. In addition, those newbies who failed to earn a single merit for 2-4 can be considered also in a list of banned users because they failed to achieve a single merit.

[Foxpup]

What... what is that picture of me doing on a hat? Well, I guess should have seen it coming. It's like my grandma always said: "Grandson/granddaughter, whichever one you are now, don't go posting nude pictures of yourself online, because some shady Etsy seller will make tens of dollars putting them on a T-shirt or something for people to wear and show off your unusual genitalia in public instead of masturbating to them in private the way you intended." She was always giving good advise like that. I'll miss her.