Random thoughts

[SpoiledBrat22]

Please respect post for I just wanted express something that I think for you would not be necessary to discuss with but hopefully it will going to enlighten me.

First the creation of merit and rank system had been making hard for us to rank up but implenting the system is way better to somehow resolved major issues especially in shit posting (making number of generic, off topic or just few words post just to increase activity of the account) Clearly it had benefited the forum and newcomer like me had already experience better forum for crypto discussions compared before. Earning merit is also a way to contribute meaningfully for the forum and merits as a motivation to continue beng helpful sharing of ideas and news related to cryptocurrency current events.

Second, the implementation of rank and merit system was changed and newbie are not allowed to wear signature. This closes them the door to join in signature bounties which is for me is ideal because most newbie are learning and may not be as good as rank up members in promoting projects.

Third, Jr. members are allowed to post images but it does need 1 merit and certain activity to rank up and can wear signature. The Jr. member in rank can post image in their posts. But if you are using new account (newbie) and wishes to promote a project the easiest way is to buy copper membership in order to unlock features for posting image and can wear signatures like in those member in rank.

Fourth, Trust system has been implemented and are all working fine as well basing on the bounties and altcoin sections for many scammers tag by DT with red trust. A good sign that that scamming in the forum would not be easy now unlike before. Rank up users will avoid getting red trust because they too know how hard to earn merits and are careful not to get tag with red trust. So, scammers will going to use newbie accounts and are buying copper membership to promote scam project.

Fifth, copper membership was relatively cheap and easy to purchase or buy. It can be a way for the scammers to promote their fake project without using their rank up accounts to avoid getting tag of red trust.
Rank up accounts are valued and even some of hack rank accounts were being for sale in some sites.

The owner or team managing the project (like ICO, IEO, STO or DEFI) could post the project using their rank up bct account but they wouldn't to avoid getting red trust when they fail or could not pay bounty hunters.

The most knowledgeable in running a project here could be those who had successfully launched the projects like those established coins in the market and are bringing another project either wanting to scam or promote cryptocurrency or bitcoin. In this case they are more knowledgeable in creating projects that include the pioneers here in the forum as its seems the creation of merit system and copper membership is not a coincidence rather it was plan.

Random thoughts

1. Could it be possible that people created several projects despite of becoming a failing project or not?

2. We know copper membership could post image and wear signature even a newbie. Does a copper membership an anticipation of the promotion of the projects may it becoming a scam project or not?

3. Why copper membership created when in fact it is not necessary?

I am not against the copper membership but I am against those newbie who wear copper membership promoting scam projects. This is just my random thought anyway.

Please enlighten me!

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[Raytheon]

Initial purpose of copper membership is to allow newbies to post images. Even if there's no compper membership, scammers won't stop their dirty jobs. They can buy accounts or hire other people to promote their projects.

An important benefit of copper membership that you forgot to mention:

- Your "you must wait ____ seconds between ___" counter is reduced by 75%. So if you're naturally of Newbie rank, you only have to wait 360-75% = 90 seconds.

A lot of members buy copper membership because of this feature.

1. Yes, people don't know they would fail until they fail.
2. People buy copper membership to promote scams doesn't mean all projects with copper membership promoters are scams.
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I am aware that for most people the benefits of this membership are pretty lame. This membership is only intended to fill a specific niche; if you don't need it, don't buy it. It is not intended to be the lower-cost Donator/VIP alternative which I've talked about before as a possibility.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…>1. Could it be possible that people created several projects despite of becoming a failing project or not?

Sure, people can and will do it, be it either behind one account, or a set of alt accounts. Scams and failed projects are not moderated, but there are some decent forum members that expose them, and tag the implied accounts with trust ratings and flags (besides what feedback people leave in the threads). That does not stop the scammer/failure from moving on to another account and trying it all over again.

2. We know copper membership could post image and wear signature even a newbie. Does a copper membership an anticipation of the promotion of the projects may it becoming a scam project or not?

I don’t quite understand the question. The reading I make here, is that you are asking if bearing a Copper Membership leads to more likeliness of the project being a scam, than not wearing the membership. That would be an interesting statistic, but any account can be behind a scam project, and I’d day that plenty more of them did not have a Copper Membership. A feature that costs 0.00219957 BTC is not likely to really determine much in being able to pull-off a scams.
 

3. Why copper membership created when in fact it is not necessary?

It is necessary. There are not only ICOs or such here. People run their legit business here, and require being fast to set it up. One important feature is to surpass the default rank PM limits with greater ease, and PMs are important in some P2P transactions (see New PM limits. Copper Memberships are not a feature that are specific to ICOs/projects.

[suchmoon]

I am not against the copper membership but I am against those newbie who wear copper membership promoting scam projects. This is just my random thought anyway.

You're focusing on the wrong thing. If copper membership wasn't available, scammers would buy/hack/farm accounts just the same, as they've done for years. If you see someone promoting scam projects - create a scam accusation and ask the community if it should be labeled as scam. There is nothing special about the copper account, other than the forum getting 20 bucks and everyone seeing that it's a purchased account.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

OP, I don't understand the purpose of this thread.  And you registered your account today instead of writing that post from whatever other account(s) you have access to?  Obviously a day-old Newbie wouldn't have as much knowledge about bitcointalk as you've demonstrated, and you didn't write anything that's so controversial that you should be afraid of getting tagged.

Second, aside from the questions you asked, everything you wrote just bloats your post.  You don't need to write a history of the merit system to ask questions about copper memberships.  Just a suggestion: keep things concise.

You're focusing on the wrong thing.

Roger that. 

[webtricks]

In addition to what everyone wrote above, I would like to add that Copper Membership just offers you additional features. If someone wants to post ANN, he can does that with or without copper membership. Before copper membership was introduced, it was common practice that a high rank member would quote ANN in the first reply to the thread so that the images are visible to everyone.

2. We know copper membership could post image and wear signature even a newbie. Does a copper membership an anticipation of the promotion of the projects may it becoming a scam project or not?

Opposite in my opinion. If a project has bought a copper membership for its newbie account, I consider it as a sign that the project is serious about promoting on bitcointalk compared to those projects which are happy to post ANN with a non-copper account. At least, it shows that ANN is not created by a 14 years old by copying code from github. In any case, copper membership is irrelevant for making any conclusion about project's legitimacy.

[shield132]

I am not against the copper membership but I am against those newbie who wear copper membership promoting scam projects. This is just my random thought anyway.

You're focusing on the wrong thing. If copper membership wasn't available, scammers would buy/hack/farm accounts just the same, as they've done for years. If you see someone promoting scam projects - create a scam accusation and ask the community if it should be labeled as scam. There is nothing special about the copper account, other than the forum getting 20 bucks and everyone seeing that it's a purchased account.

Good remark, if someone sees that someone promotes scam project or even scam service, just open scam accusation thread or ask some DT members to red tag him.
I think the problem that this user faces is that newbies aren't naturally able to wear signatures while some people are able to pay for copper memberships and break this resistance.

I don't understand at all why there is so huge negative feelings regarding to signatures, copper memberships and around similar things. There are things that you can't fully fix. There is jail on crime but tons of crimes happen daily. People have to learn to do more and deep research when they are looking for something. If you see a project, just check scam accusation, reputation child boards, google more around the project, have analytical thinking. You have to use your brain and don't be lazy to look into someone's hands.

[LoyceV]

making number of generic, off topic or just few words post

Making short posts is still better than adding words to increase post length:

relatively cheap and easy to purchase or buy.

[SpoiledBrat22]

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I am sorry for that confusions.

I had just a bad feeling about the implementation of merit system and the copper membership.

Is there any by chance that those who buy copper membership will be ask of their purpose before approving their request on buying copper membership?

Largely scam projects or failing projects are created by them. There should be a way for them to stop their doings.

[LoyceV]

Is there any by chance that those who buy copper membership will be ask of their purpose before approving their request on buying copper membership?

No. The forum administration doesn't want to decide who can or can't do things.

Largely scam projects or failing projects are created by them. There should be a way for them to stop their doings.

Educating people is the best way, scams aren't against forum rules and therefore not moderated.

[michellee]

So, scammers will going to use newbie accounts and are buying copper membership to promote scam project.

One thing came to my head.
Okay, let say the scammers can use a newbie account and buying copper membership to promote a scam project. If you and others don't invest in their project and are not greedy to make a big profit in a short time, I guess that the scammer will not have a chance to scam anyone here. People are too greedy to invest in any project, and that indirectly supports the scammer to build up the project and gather the investor's money.

The copper memberships are not wrong, but it depends on how people react to the new project.

The copper memberships were created to help people to give a chance to post an image or other things that the newbie can not do. But it seems, the scammers tend to use that to scam people. That is their way to trick as many people as they can, but the responsibility will be ours.

[Smartvirus]

The most knowledgeable in running a project here could be those who had successfully launched the projects like those established coins in the market and are bringing another project either wanting to scam or promote cryptocurrency or bitcoin. In this case they are more knowledgeable in creating projects that include the pioneers here in the forum as its seems the creation of merit system and copper membership is not a coincidence rather it was plan.

Surely experienced rank members are the best option for determining and running a signature and avatar campaign but, limiting it to them is at most closing the doors for other legit up coming users. Hhampuz is one of the best managers I've noted but then, having him do all the management could be so much.

Random thoughts

1. Could it be possible that people created several projects despite of becoming a failing project or not?

2. We know copper membership could post image and wear signature even a newbie. Does a copper membership an anticipation of the promotion of the projects may it becoming a scam project or not?

3. Why copper membership created when in fact it is not necessary?

I am not against the copper membership but I am against those newbie who wear copper membership promoting scam projects. This is just my random thought anyway.

Please enlighten me!

Your thoughts are not out of place. Newbies doesn't necessarily mean the person is a first timer on the forum, it's simply a new account which could be some forum users Alt, if that be the case, then it should be looked at with caution when a newbie account or a copper member account is involved in campaign management.

Also, if the authenticity and credibility to pay of an account is questionable, the user could be asked to drop a signed address and possibly show that the user has first payment already set.

[SpoiledBrat22]

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Yeah I am not new, I am just an alt account

I made this because of scam issue.

Why the admin of the forum allow this activity?
I just feel that there is a need in protecting the welfare of the community here in the forum right?
If the forum is design like this then we should not help or invite people joining here.
Education does not apply in this forum for full of negative people. It is not conducive for learning. You can learn here about cryptocurrency but the people aren't trusted. It is better to learn outside in the forum rather than sticking with bad people everywhere of the corner of the forum. The forum also has more on topics about scam discussions and not about bitcoin which is really intended to when Satoshi created the forum. My basis are the bounties and altcoins section where almost 90-95% are scam or fraud and 99% of it are just use to collect crowd funds list the projects and then abandon it later on. The worst is that they made a good promise without saying goodbye. It will hurt the investors more than the feeling of breaking up to a girlfriend. 😂😂

I know you can say that If I do not like the forum I can leave, Yes, I can and I did but I will still hope that the forum will change and I can go back anytime without having negative impressions among other members.

Another thing is that there are many bully members dominating especially in this section. I feel guilt whenever they did to someone they don't feel to like. It is not a good indicator of a good forum where admin wanted to happen basing on their efforts implementing merit and trust system.


Cryptocurrency is a good technology that could change the payment options that could be done in decentralized manner and of course that could be done online without the hassle of bringing money. Amazing tech actually,

Well, with or without the forum I can still invest or have bitcoin and that is one important thing.