US Elections 2020 - very self such moderated

[TwitchySeal]

Just checked Realclearpolitics, and they still have Biden at 259.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2020/president/

They haven't yet called the outcome in Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Alaska. However, DecisionHQ has Biden at 279, with tossups at AZ, NC, GA and AK. Also, two of the senate races (North Carolina and Alaska) are also not called yet. Really shameful... the fact remains that United States presidential election results are not known even one week after the election day.. Some of the developed nations are much better than this..

To be fair, the US election is like 50 developed nations all having their election on the same day for the same leader.

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[bryant.coleman]

One week has passed since the elections, and we don't know who won states such as Arizona, Georgia and Alaska. I am really surprised with the delay from Alaska. They have just processed around 65% of the vote. Why the counting is getting so much delayed there? Are they transporting the ballots in dog sleds and carts pulled by polar bears?

BTW, Biden's lead in Arizona has been reduced to 12,813 votes (remember that this was one of the states called very early by Fox News). Approximately 45,819 ballots remain to be counted (including 27,602 provisional ballots).

https://arizona.vote/ballot-progress.html

[TwitchySeal]

One week has passed since the elections, and we don't know who won states such as Arizona, Georgia and Alaska. I am really surprised with the delay from Alaska. They have just processed around 65% of the vote. Why the counting is getting so much delayed there? Are they transporting the ballots in dog sleds and carts pulled by polar bears?

BTW, Biden's lead in Arizona has been reduced to 12,813 votes (remember that this was one of the states called very early by Fox News). Approximately 45,819 ballots remain to be counted (including 27,602 provisional ballots).

https://arizona.vote/ballot-progress.html

They have some rule that you can't open absentee votes till a week after the election.  I guess they want them to be all together at once and they need time for the votes to come in from the North Pole.

[Spendulus]

One week has passed since the elections, and we don't know who won states such as Arizona, Georgia and Alaska. I am really surprised with the delay from Alaska. ... Are they transporting the ballots in dog sleds and carts pulled by polar bears?

IIRC Kodiak Island was boat only three or four times a week.

Many other areas would be very slow by our standards, in seasons when small aircraft cannot fly.

[bryant.coleman]

IIRC Kodiak Island was boat only three or four times a week.
Many other areas would be very slow by our standards, in seasons when small aircraft cannot fly.

Hmm.. interesting.

BTW, Biden's lead continues to decline in Arizona. But the big question is whether there are enough votes remaining, so that Trump can flip the lead. According to the latest update from the authorities, only 24,738 votes remain to be counted (including 18,514 provisional ballots). Right now Trump is trailing by around 11,635 votes and his chances are not looking very bright.

[DaveF]

BTW, Biden's lead continues to decline in Arizona. But the big question is whether there are enough votes remaining, so that Trump can flip the lead. According to the latest update from the authorities, only 24,738 votes remain to be counted (including 18,514 provisional ballots). Right now Trump is trailing by around 11,635 votes and his chances are not looking very bright.

If you take a look here: https://arizona.vote/ballot-progress.html

It looks like the majority of those ballots are from Maricopa and Pima both of which are more for Biden then Trump.
Apache is also going for Biden.

Cochise and Yuma are going for Trump but combined they have fewer outstanding votes then Maricopa.

https://results.arizona.vote/#/featured/18/0 --> click view more then by county.

So getting a lead is going to be difficult.

In the end it probably does not matter. Even if Trump takes AZ and NC and GA he sill lost.

-Dave

[bryant.coleman]

Biden's lead in Arizona has been further reduced to 11,034. Only 16,040 ballots remain to be counted and therefore we can safely assume that it will be impossible for Trump to win Arizona. And I am not sure whether there will be a recount. Because in Arizona the recount rules are very tough, and the losing candidate can request one only in case the margin is less than 200 votes.

[DaveF]

Biden's lead in Arizona has been further reduced to 11,034. Only 16,040 ballots remain to be counted and therefore we can safely assume that it will be impossible for Trump to win Arizona. And I am not sure whether there will be a recount. Because in Arizona the recount rules are very tough, and the losing candidate can request one only in case the margin is less than 200 votes.

Actually if you look at the sites I posted above:

From here as of the time of this post, Biden is up by 11,434:
https://results.arizona.vote/#/featured/18/0

And from here: https://arizona.vote/ballot-progress.html there are 10,315 left to count. So no way to win at this point.

So AZ went blue.

And yeah, it's tough to get a recount in AZ. And they have been doing large amount of mail in ballots for years. Not to the extent of this election, but a very large percentage even in a normal election.

-Dave

[suchmoon]

Apparently some Trump supporters in Georgia are upset enough to boycott the Senate runoffs:

https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245

That can't be real, can it?

[Gyfts]

Apparently some Trump supporters in Georgia are upset enough to boycott the Senate runoffs:

https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245

That can't be real, can it?

It's real, I'm sure.

I've seen this sort of temper tantrum among conservative circles that won't get over him losing. I don't think he should have lost, but at some point getting the fuck over it is the best move.

[PrimeNumber7]

Apparently some Trump supporters in Georgia are upset enough to boycott the Senate runoffs:

https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245

That can't be real, can it?

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

[squatz1]

Apparently some Trump supporters in Georgia are upset enough to boycott the Senate runoffs:

https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245

That can't be real, can it?

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

I take a bit of a different take on things. I think that they voted for Trumps policies, though they voted against Trump the personality. Trumps policies have been pretty rightward and have been embraced by the Republican wing of the party, they've liked what they've gotten over these years.

The personality has been something that people have had to swallow as their best shot at getting conservative policies, as he is the King of the Republican party at this point.

I do think we will get another Trump soon, though he won't be as much of Trump the personality. He'll still have it there, though he'll be a lot more reigned in by advisors and less abrasive. That's going to be a bit of the new normal in politics for sometime.

[suchmoon]

This sums up the whole post-election nonsense quite well:

Wisconsin's partial recount boosted Democrat Joe Biden's victory by 87 votes Sunday as President Donald Trump said he was preparing a lawsuit to overturn the results.

[Spendulus]

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.

I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.

[bryant.coleman]

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

That is inaccurate. Trump did better than down ballot candidates in states such as Arizona. However in states such as Maine and Michigan, he performed worse than the GOP candidates for senate/house. But looking at the percentages can be misleading. A lot of people who participated in the POTUS election abstained from the senate elections.

For example, John James outperformed Trump in Michigan (48.22% vs 47.85%, a difference of 0.37%). But if you look at the number of votes, then it can be seen that Trump received more votes when compared to James (2,649,852 vs 2,642,833).

Trump, rather than hurting the down ballot candidates, helped them in a big way by ensuring a huge turnout among the GOP supporters.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.

I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.

What if the fraud actually helped Trump and Biden really won by more?

[Spendulus]

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.

I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.

What if the fraud actually helped Trump and Biden really won by more?

That is not what the forensic analysis by The Kraken shows.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.

I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.

What if the fraud actually helped Trump and Biden really won by more?

That is not what the forensic analysis by The Kraken shows.

I mean in the real world.  You know the Kraken isn't real, right?  It's a myth.

[squatz1]

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.

I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.

What if the fraud actually helped Trump and Biden really won by more?

That is not what the forensic analysis by The Kraken shows.

I mean in the real world.  You know the Kraken isn't real, right?  It's a myth.

The fuck is the Kraken anyway? -- The news outlet(?), not the myth.

But in any case, state after state is currently certifying the results for Biden and the race is over. That's the end of it for Trump and there is pretty much no way to move forward with the whole -- convince the state electors to not certify the results, or something along those lines. We're at the point of no return. Donald Trump will leave the WH in January and that'll be that.

Guy will totally still be active in politics, will totally buy a media outlet or start his own and then build it up. Will be a force in the GOP as well as down the ballot Republicans know that he is the reason for the base support.

[TwitchySeal]

The fuck is the Kraken anyway? -- The news outlet(?), not the myth.

Qanon conspiracy theory that is so stupid Trump had to pretend like the lawyer that pushed it in public never worked for him.