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October 27, 2020, 05:08:49 AM
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Well coming to territorial expansion of China. One thing I can tell you it's not about resources only. It's maybe more about pride or something. They fought harsh for Tibet which is more of a liability than a resource. It's a large piece of barren land with not much to offer. Similarly now they are fighting for some land in Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh with India this land too is more or less barren and apart from having some strategic advantage is useless. HongKong and Taiwan maybe said as expansion for resources.
I can agree at a certain point, I think this is more of an intimidation tactic rather than glory for their country. Hongkong's case is that they are invalidating the agreement they had between United Kingdom that makes Hongkong free state until 2047, they do not see it as a resource expansion, this is more on One China Policy like the case with Taiwan with Taiwan not wanting to associate with Mainland China and wanting to be recognized as a country.

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October 27, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
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I can agree at a certain point, I think this is more of an intimidation tactic rather than glory for their country. Hongkong's case is that they are invalidating the agreement they had between United Kingdom that makes Hongkong free state until 2047, they do not see it as a resource expansion, this is more on One China Policy like the case with Taiwan with Taiwan not wanting to associate with Mainland China and wanting to be recognized as a country.

The British government has offered a pathway to UK citizenship to around 3 million residents of Hong Kong, who have British National (Overseas) status. I am not sure how many of the residents are going to apply, but this is a big blow for China. If UK goes ahead with its plan, then it will trigger a massive brain drain and eventually it will destroy the HK economy. 
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October 27, 2020, 01:56:08 PM
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Well coming to territorial expansion of China. One thing I can tell you it's not about resources only. It's maybe more about pride or something. They fought harsh for Tibet which is more of a liability than a resource. It's a large piece of barren land with not much to offer. Similarly now they are fighting for some land in Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh with India this land too is more or less barren and apart from having some strategic advantage is useless. HongKong and Taiwan maybe said as expansion for resources.

The human population is almost 8 billion and climbing at around 25 million per year. We are running out of natural resources and under these circumstances no region is a liability, irrespective of whether it is desert or mountain plateau. Two decades ago, Ethiopia and Eritrea had a war over a small desert strip, which killed more than 100,000 people.

But then, the case with China is different. They have territorial disputes with all their neighbors. Some of their neighbors (such as Pakistan and Kazakhstan) have given in to their demands. Others, such as Japan and India have refused to be bullied.
I think China just needs a setback from the world to make it understand that despite of it being an economic power the rest of the world is not too easy to handle. I think the first part from every country should begin by giving Taiwan a status of country and beginning diplomatic relations with Taiwan. The day a few big countries do it rest of the countries would follow. There cannot be a bigger setback to China than this it will have to surrender at some point.
Well coming to territorial expansion of China. One thing I can tell you it's not about resources only. It's maybe more about pride or something. They fought harsh for Tibet which is more of a liability than a resource. It's a large piece of barren land with not much to offer. Similarly now they are fighting for some land in Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh with India this land too is more or less barren and apart from having some strategic advantage is useless. HongKong and Taiwan maybe said as expansion for resources.
I can agree at a certain point, I think this is more of an intimidation tactic rather than glory for their country. Hongkong's case is that they are invalidating the agreement they had between United Kingdom that makes Hongkong free state until 2047, they do not see it as a resource expansion, this is more on One China Policy like the case with Taiwan with Taiwan not wanting to associate with Mainland China and wanting to be recognized as a country.
Obviously which democratic country would want itself to be ruled by a communist again? No matter how ruined your country is people of this century still prefer democracy.
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October 28, 2020, 01:04:42 AM
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The British government has offered a pathway to UK citizenship to around 3 million residents of Hong Kong, who have British National (Overseas) status. I am not sure how many of the residents are going to apply, but this is a big blow for China. If UK goes ahead with its plan, then it will trigger a massive brain drain and eventually it will destroy the HK economy. 
Hongkong is a special economic zone, I do not think it will affect their economy, the selling point of Hongkong is its real estate and people from around the world are flocking there to buy one and I do not think that the brain drain will destroy the economy because besides having expensive real estate to fund the economy, it is also a tourist destination.
Obviously which democratic country would want itself to be ruled by a communist again? No matter how ruined your country is people of this century still prefer democracy.
I wouldn't want to live in a communist country too, with stories from yesteryear about the hardships of the people living in communist states and atrocities committed by the people in those countries, it will be a definite pass for me. Democratic is the closest thing we have to a utopic government, if only the masses are actively participating in the community and they care about the social injustices happening then democracy will work as intended. But we can't have that because of human's primal instinct to compete with one another.

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October 28, 2020, 01:44:55 AM
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Now more and more countries are being invited by America for military cooperation, Even the Indonesian defense minister, my country,
was invited by the US to discuss military cooperation between the two countries. Although the Indonesian government has told local media
that it does not want to be involved in a military alliance with foreigners. But the meeting of the two defense ministers invited question
marks from all parties, and news that the Chinese government certainly did not like. But I agree if my country is closer to America, because
I have always disliked communist countries.

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October 28, 2020, 04:47:31 AM
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The human population is almost 8 billion and climbing at around 25 million per year. We are running out of natural resources and under these circumstances no region is a liability, irrespective of whether it is desert or mountain plateau. Two decades ago, Ethiopia and Eritrea had a war over a small desert strip, which killed more than 100,000 people.

But then, the case with China is different. They have territorial disputes with all their neighbors. Some of their neighbors (such as Pakistan and Kazakhstan) have given in to their demands. Others, such as Japan and India have refused to be bullied.
I think China just needs a setback from the world to make it understand that despite of it being an economic power the rest of the world is not too easy to handle. I think the first part from every country should begin by giving Taiwan a status of country and beginning diplomatic relations with Taiwan. The day a few big countries do it rest of the countries would follow. There cannot be a bigger setback to China than this it will have to surrender at some point.

Agreed on Taiwan. Other nations need a rethink on the "One China" policy. But then, Taiwan should also change its official name from "Republic of China" to "Republic of Taiwan", and give up their claim to Chinese mainland. "One country, two systems" logic doesn't work that well, as we have seen in the case of Hong Kong. Taiwan needs to remain independent and for that it needs the support from other nations.
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November 02, 2020, 06:38:44 AM
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The Malabar exercise incited WW3 fear as Australia joins the naval exercise which is a clear indicator that India is fighting back the aggression by China because in the past they never asked for Australia as a respect. This is wild for politics and I believe that if China continues their aggressive campaign to increase territory and influence then their relations with neighbors will turn more sour than ever. The politic side is pretty obvious and what I want to hear is your thoughts on this news economically.

For me, China has to answer to the sanctions that was issued to them and pay what is due. They also need to fix their relation with their neighbors especially South China Sea/West Philippine Sea. Export and import crossing South China Sea, Indian Ocean will surely suffer because tensions are high on this hotspots.

Link of the article: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1350257/WW3-news-China-US-America-India-Japan-Australia-military-drills-navy-south-china-sea-ont/amp

China is a bigger threat to the world than terrorism! Many neighbor countries of China has already faced this heat like Pakistan, kazakhstan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet and so on. The list will only grow longer! Now "His highness" from China has removed the legal barrier to remain in power till the time he wants to! The world needs to re-think about their policies towards China and probably they would need to ban Chinese population from visiting their own countries. Regardless of the military prowess China posses, the world will have come forward to eliminate this threat!

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