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October 29, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
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Imagine the future world when the last bitcoin is mined. Do you think bitcoin will stay decentralized or the supply will be somehow controlled and accumulated among governments and banks?
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October 29, 2020, 10:15:27 AM
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Nothing will make bitcoin to be centralized, it will be decentralized, bitcoin is just like gold, but digital, even if the banks are holding the greatest amounts, it is people demanding and selling rates that will determine the price. But, in some aspect, it could be centralized, like governments having policies that any one having bitcoin to be paying certain monthly or annual amoumt. Goverments will try to manipulate and make people depend on them to be able to buy and sell bitcoin so looking for more ways to further centralized the coin. But with what I am looking in my view and perspective, I do not think bitcoin can be centralized in term of price because the price will never ever be controlled by centralized bodies which are the governments, bitcoin is decentralized beyond that.

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October 29, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
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Nothing will make bitcoin to be centralized, it will be decentralized, bitcoin is just like gold, even if the banks are holding the greatest amounts, it is people demanding and selling rate that will determine the price. But, in some aspect, it could be centralized, like governments having policies that any one having bitcoin to be paying certain monthly or annual amoumt. Goverments will try to manipulate and make people depend on them to be able to buynand sell bitcoin so that ways will e looked for to further centralized the coin. But with what I a looking, I do not think bitcoin can be centralized in term of price because the price will never ever be countroled bybcentralized bodies which are governments, bitcoin is decentralized beyond that.

Bitcoin is only a program that is created by the developers, so we are not 100% sure if Bitcoin will stay decentralized over the course of its existence.  As much as we hope that Bitcoin will stay decentralized, we are not sure what the future developers will implement.  If the consensus of the developers finds that centralizing Bitcoin will benefit its ecosystem there is no telling what they may implement in the future.  Let us just hope that Bitcoin stays decentralized and that developers and supporters will maintain it that way.

In short, the word nothing will make Bitcoin to be centralized is just wishful thinking.

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October 29, 2020, 10:56:17 AM
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Yeah, when the Goverments see a threat they try to control and manipulate it by their policies.

Nothing will make bitcoin to be centralized, it will be decentralized, bitcoin is just like gold, but digital, even if the banks are holding the greatest amounts, it is people demanding and selling rates that will determine the price. But, in some aspect, it could be centralized, like governments having policies that any one having bitcoin to be paying certain monthly or annual amoumt. Goverments will try to manipulate and make people depend on them to be able to buy and sell bitcoin so looking for more ways to further centralized the coin. But with what I am looking in my view and perspective, I do not think bitcoin can be centralized in term of price because the price will never ever be controlled by centralized bodies which are the governments, bitcoin is decentralized beyond that.
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October 29, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
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When bitcoin is finally fully mined, I don't know if miners will continue to validate Bitcoin transactions or if they switch to mining other altcoins.
Certainly, Bitcoin must have an improvement in the source code to bring convenience in the process of using.
When governments hold too much Bitcoin, they can be rate manipulated at their disposal. In the future when Bitcoin is fully mined, it will eventually look like gold.
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October 29, 2020, 04:55:35 PM
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Fully mined bitcoin doesn't mean it will be centralized. Still, you will be the owner of that amount you are holding and you can transfer funds without a centralized third party. That means bitcoin is decentralized forever. I am sure we will not alive during that time, we don't know if bitcoin exists till 2140. Who knows if bitcoin replace by some other currency. But stay sure, it will be decentralized if exist.

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October 29, 2020, 05:11:26 PM
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20 years is a long time in our Brave New World.  So much happens so quickly that looking at an event that MIGHT happen in ~100 years is not worth serious amounts of time, it's really just idle intellectual speculation (not there's anything wrong with that).

There will almost surely be unanticipated changes of huge magnitude in the next 100 years that no one has any idea of what will happen to us in 100 years, much less what the world will look like after the last Bitcoin is mined.

I am more focused on the next 10 years.  That will be exciting enough.  Thought that 2020 has been interesting?  Wait until 2021...
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October 29, 2020, 05:20:53 PM
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I suppose that there won't be anything like bitcoin until then. Presumably, the last bitcoin will have been mined in 2150 and the technology will improve by then. Maybe there won't be such a thing as bitcoin. We will have been using much more technological stuff instead.
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October 29, 2020, 05:22:59 PM
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I don't think that Bitcoin's system will change when the last Bitcoin is mined. It doesn't seem reasonable to me. It is the main feature of cryptocurrencies. They are decentralized and they will continue to be like that on every condition.

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October 29, 2020, 05:51:25 PM
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Currently, the circulation of bitcoins that have been successfully mined is around 18.5 million Bitcoin and the remaining unmined is around 2.5 million bitcoins. It is estimated that bitcoin will be mined out by 2140 according to the blockchain system that has been implemented. The halving mechanism will make bitcoins even rarer to mine and this happens every 210,000 block is reached or about once every 4 years.

If all bitcoins are successfully mined, miners will no longer get bonus bitcoins from each block mined, but only get income from transaction fees. Transaction costs will certainly be higher because miners prioritize large transaction costs to cover their operational costs.

When bitcoin has been successfully mined, all miners will remain there and even new miners will appear. It is less than 120 years for all the bitcoin supply to be successfully mined.

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October 29, 2020, 06:10:04 PM
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The older I get the more the phrase 'not my problem' seems beautiful to me.

All the same I expect decentralisation will become more prominent in the minds of populace and the tools created to give it to them will be truly impressive. Who knows where we'll be in 120 years but the last few years have clearly shown the existing order of things is starting to creak horrifically.

Bitcoin is one path beyond it. Education is the main path and the knowledge of how truly corrosive the existing order of things is will only grow from here.
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October 29, 2020, 06:11:37 PM
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I personally cannot imagine that day as a big day. The 2140 year is far from us. In recent years, such rapidly developing technology will be much more advanced in those years, which will not make bitcoin as valuable as it is now. I even think that bitcoin will not be mined until the last one. Bitcoin will retain its value at most until the next century, after this there will be the systems closer to "perfect". Also, we can use this development in favor of bitcoin, but I think the first choice would make more sense.
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October 29, 2020, 10:09:55 PM
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Imagine the future world when the last bitcoin is mined. Do you think bitcoin will stay decentralized or the supply will be somehow controlled and accumulated among governments and banks?
It would be never be centralized and considering that all bitcoins that had been mined then its safe to presume that it is totally in circulation into many hands but the

fact that there are still people/company/institution which is holding more 1 Bitcoin into their stashes but doesnt mean that they would have the full control of the market.

Im not really that minding that much on what would happen that time since it would be on 2140 and im sure im already dead for that time and also if bitcoin did manage

to last that long then expect for its price to be already on the rooftop.

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October 29, 2020, 10:30:28 PM
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Imagine the future world when the last bitcoin is mined. Do you think bitcoin will stay decentralized or the supply will be somehow controlled and accumulated among governments and banks?

Don't get ahead of yourself, maybe all of us are no longer here when the last BTC is mined, although we might get a feel on what or how it is when 99% of it will be mined around 2032-2036. And after, that 1% for the next hundred years. Of course, it will stay decentralised because it is how it was designed and I doubt that it change. I don't think the governments or banks will want to control or accumulate it, Gold is their number reserve assets.

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yes, the number of bitcoins is only 21 million, currently Bitcoin is in Phase III Halving (since May 12, 2020), from 12.5 BTC per block to 6.25 per block reward for miners who successfully validate a new block.  The average period between blocks is 10 minutes.  Bitcoin transactions will always be running, Bitcoin will always play a role as the main crypto asset and even encourage the emergence of new Bitcoin miners.  They still get income in the form of Bitcoin, it's just not from new Bitcoin rewards per block.and miners will benefit from transaction fees.
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The world would still probably be an oblate spheroid, still revolves around the sun, and is part of the galaxy. Oh, and is probably still called Earth. Jokes aside though, the same system would still remain the same, last bitcoin mined or not. Even if the governments somehow managed to buy up the entire Bitcoin supply, they'd have to spend an enormous amount to it AND they wouldn't really profit off of it. They'd only gain more disadvantages simply because they would have to be forced to sell it, maybe at an even lower price than when they bought it. As for the issue of it being centralized, it's close to impossible imo. If some were deigning to actually make it a centralized coin, why not do it right now no?

Additionally, not that I'm cursing anyone or anything, most of us would be long dead by then. Most of us are probably at the middlepoint of our lives, and the supply being mined would still last for more than a century. No idea really why we should think of something that we wouldn't really be affected with.

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October 30, 2020, 05:22:22 AM
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It is an interesting thought experiment. Almost 80-90% of all bitcoin still sit in less than 10% of all addresses. This means that in a future world where bitcoin becomes extremely significant, it will simply replace the problem that it was meant to tackle, centralization of value creation. Bitcoin is not well distributed. It is concentrated in a few hands and a future when bitcoin has supremacy, we will be looking at just another Oligarchy. It will be a mixture of cypherpunks and capitalists rather than just capitalists.

This is why I don't think such a future will ever come to pass. Bitcoin will continue to rise in value but the promise of decentralization is not up to bitcoin to fulfill anymore. People who realize the value now will ensure that they have a stake in that future by trying to stack bitcoin savings from now. Bitcoin will remain significant but the onus of decentralization or changing the fiat system is no longer on bitcoin.
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October 30, 2020, 05:32:17 AM
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The decentralized operation of bitcoin won't get affected once the last bitcoin is mined. In one way or the other each and every cryptocurrency into existence is tied with bitcoin network. When the entire volume is mined, the use case dependence of bitcoin can be found high in the market.

Different altcoins used for transaction service will keep bouncing same as we see lots of payment applications into usage at present. Did the existence of these many payment applications affected the market of PayPal pioneering global transactions. Same is with the growth/value of bitcoin even after its final coin is mined.
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October 30, 2020, 06:05:17 AM
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Imagine the future world when the last bitcoin is mined. Do you think bitcoin will stay decentralized or the supply will be somehow controlled and accumulated among governments and banks?
Bitcoin designed to last forever.. just like internet that continuously creates new business model, adopted even more as a primary needs and there's might a lot to happen unexpectedly in good ways.
Noone will ever able to to centralize bitcoin , they will probably looking for other cryptocurrency that could be able to be centralized.

Not even if bitcoin got the 51% attack, there's consensus to figure that out.

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October 30, 2020, 06:23:11 AM
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If the last bitcoin has been mined then the miners will no longer receive block rewards because there would be no coins to be generated, only the transaction fees will be there only way to earn for every complete transaction.

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There are only 21 million bitcoins that can be mined in total.
Once bitcoin miners have unlocked all the bitcoins, the planet's supply will essentially be tapped out.
Currently, around 18.5 million bitcoin have been mined; this leaves less than three million that have yet to be introduced into circulation.
We almost have 3 million left before all the bitcoin has mined and I think it would take 4-5 years.

Here are some threads related with that:
Re: What will happen to Bitcoin after all 21 million are mined?
What happens when the last bitcoin has been mined? [Year 2140]
when all bitcoins are mined, then what

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Today the world is changing very quickly, and it is difficult to predict what will happen in the next 5-10 years. Regulators are increasingly pulling the blanket over themselves, and society is increasingly unhappy with this. If you look at how difficult it is today to maintain your privacy and anonymity, since there are so many monitoring bodies, to fantasize that one day the government will surrender and Bitcoin will remain decentralized, in my opinion, this is useless.
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Very soon the last bitcoin will be mined and even after that Bitcoin will still remain decentralized.Then some changes can be seen like  increasement of price.Probably it will be the golden time for the bitcoin.

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October 30, 2020, 12:21:32 PM
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Very soon the last bitcoin will be mined and even after that Bitcoin will still remain decentralized.Then some changes can be seen like  increasement of price.Probably it will be the golden time for the bitcoin.

Very soon? Really? The last Bitcoin will be mined sometime in 2140. That is 120 years form now, and by that time none of us will be alive. So there is no need to lose your sleep over it. For the next 4 years, the block reward will remain consistent, and I hope we will be witnessing a lot of revolutionary changes. So don't worry too much about the fee, the community will eventually find a solution.

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October 30, 2020, 12:49:34 PM
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Very soon the last bitcoin will be mined and even after that Bitcoin will still remain decentralized.Then some changes can be seen like  increasement of price.Probably it will be the golden time for the bitcoin.

Very soon? Really? The last Bitcoin will be mined sometime in 2140. That is 120 years form now, and by that time none of us will be alive. So there is no need to lose your sleep over it. For the next 4 years, the block reward will remain consistent, and I hope we will be witnessing a lot of revolutionary changes. So don't worry too much about the fee, the community will eventually find a solution.

2140 is a long year. this gives me a relief because im scared to find out what will happen to btc when all supply are mined but it also gives me a bad feeling at the same time because that is 120 years from now and i dont think we are going to reached that year , sorry for being negative but i guess that is the reality ? nothing wrong if we faced it  .

 where did you get the 4 year prediction ?but 4years is long enough and there must be some changes that we feel within that span . never see him complain on the fee but he means to say increase in the price of btc .
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What makes Bitcoin/crypto unique is its decentralization and features. If you centralized it and ruin its features, people will still be forced to create a decentralized crypto when they suffer the consequences of centralization... creating a well decentralized cryptocurrency will become necessary and important again.
People need to always remind themselves why Bitcoin was invented in the first place. They must not go to sleep and let it  be captured.
There should be set boundaries that must not be crossed to keep it well decentralized as long as possible.
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October 30, 2020, 04:51:53 PM
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When this question was asked, the thing that always comes to my mind are the asymptotes in mathematics, these are the the lines that continually approaches a curve but will not meet in any distance, that means that through the bitcoin halving rewards, there will still be a reason for people to trust bitcoin as miners will still continue to confirm transactions even if the very last block of bitcoin was achieved.

Just imagine, miners are mining since they could mine bitcoins that they will sell for them to pay their electricity bill, they also receive transaction fees, and sooner or later, transaction fees alone will be enough for them to pay their bills because, over time, bitcoin's market price will be so valuable.
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Very soon the last bitcoin will be mined and even after that Bitcoin will still remain decentralized.Then some changes can be seen like  increasement of price.Probably it will be the golden time for the bitcoin.

Very soon? Really? The last Bitcoin will be mined sometime in 2140. That is 120 years form now, and by that time none of us will be alive. So there is no need to lose your sleep over it. For the next 4 years, the block reward will remain consistent, and I hope we will be witnessing a lot of revolutionary changes. So don't worry too much about the fee, the community will eventually find a solution.
I think he had no idea about the last bitcoin to be mined. This is the reason why we should back track a little bit before we reply in every thread so that we will not be an ignorant to others. Anyway, the last bitcoin will be mined by 2140 because of the mining difficulty. Each four year that will pass will have the bitcoin halving. Therefore, we are all die once the last bitcoin will be mined. By that time, miners are going to deduct the transactions to the fees.

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October 30, 2020, 11:40:28 PM
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Today the world is changing very quickly, and it is difficult to predict what will happen in the next 5-10 years. Regulators are increasingly pulling the blanket over themselves, and society is increasingly unhappy with this. If you look at how difficult it is today to maintain your privacy and anonymity, since there are so many monitoring bodies, to fantasize that one day the government will surrender and Bitcoin will remain decentralized, in my opinion, this is useless.
Perhaps in the future, there will be some common points for the adoption of bitcoins all over the world, this would be a good start for the adoption of not only cryptocurrencies but also putting things in order in all world politics.
I loved the point of putting in order the world politics. Surely this will happen in future through the blockchain technology and the adoption of bitcoin into governance. When something is transparent, automatically things will happen on time as well as in an orderly manner than skipping procedures getting bribe. However the monitoring bodies will serve as supervisors to keep the system clean.

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October 30, 2020, 11:41:31 PM
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Fully mined bitcoin doesn't mean it will be centralized. Still, you will be the owner of that amount you are holding and you can transfer funds without a centralized third party. That means bitcoin is decentralized forever. I am sure we will not alive during that time, we don't know if bitcoin exists till 2140. Who knows if bitcoin replace by some other currency. But stay sure, it will be decentralized if exist.
I'm not getting why bitcoin has to be centralized if everything were all mined. Apologies but I just don't understand the logic behind it. Bitcoin is meant to be centralized at the date of its programming, up until now that it is the biggest coin in the market. And besides, it's not like you'd run out of transactions soon as every bitcoin is mined, transactions will still be there.

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October 31, 2020, 04:55:32 PM
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I'm still confuse why these arguments, I would have been feared if the whole system will crash down immediately the whole bitcoin is mined out, become centralized and price manipulated, but the answer to whole of these is NO.

Bitcoin from its genesis is meant for decentralization purpose, anonymity, privacy, anti price manipulation that solely defends on buying and selling rates, so verily all these will continue if the whole 3M bitcoin left is mined maybe next 3-5 years, so what's the whole point of argument. I'm open for correction If i miss out something.
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October 31, 2020, 05:06:36 PM
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It could be that bitcoin will be controlled more by the government or groups that have large funds and they will fight over it and can also be used as a tool of interest. Miners will of course move to do altcoin mining because of the many project options. But for a long time in the future there will certainly be many ideas and innovations from new people that we have never thought of at this time.
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