Stake.com The Expert Scam

[replystakemajorproblem]

hello

Today I am here to reveal one of the biggest scams in the  bitcoin casino market and how there using there trust to scam you for tons of money.

Now i am going tot talk about  there sportsbooks scams .


I am going to start with the sportsbook because its less complicated.


So there is 2 main scams they are running right now.

1. Accepting live bets after major even in the casinos favor

2. Large delays in scoring display and using it to scam players.


1. So what they do is let say e-soccer.  You will place a live bet on the under and because its a live bet there is a delay of 5-8 to secs to make sure there is no major even that change odds or even line. Lets say you placed bet on under 4.5 and goal is scored right when you placed bet because its live bet should be rejected and then new line of under 5.5 but stake uses this to scam people if not in there favor they reject it but if its in there favor they will accpet the bet so you are more likley to loose. Now they do this over many sports, table tennis, hockey, and tennis. If you look into sportbook now you will see they are no longer offering as much table tennis because of massive amount of complaints. If you watch sports chat you will notice this . It happend to me many times over table tennis and soccer. I could not prove it till last time when was i quick enough to screenshot it. You can see even though sportsbook was suppose to reject it they still accpeted bet because it was in there favor and to make more money

PROOF

https://imgur.com/a/Ax2uqf9


Even after providing proof they claimed there was error. Because it was  proof of there scam. As you can see if proof bet was loading it was not place yet and goal had been scored. It  even said bet was suppose to rejected but as you can see they still acepted bet to scam people



2. Now let talk about another really big scam there running. There is massive problems with them offering bad lines to scam people. Its widespread but right now its focused on nba2k sports and table tennis. They never offer lines not in there favor there will be delays in there odds and scoring but will only leave the market open if they are going to win such as table tennis it will say 7-5 when score is already 7-7 and offer bad odds to scam you . If you contact support they claim theres no problems even though you saw them with you own eyes and because table tennis is so fast its easy for them to scam you. But also they say it not there duty to provide updated scores. You bet at your own risk even if scores displayed are messed up. Now if you llok as site there not offering as many table tennis matches do to many many complaints.  Now they second part nba 2k esports.  Scores are  never live and 15 points can be scored in 10 secs even though its live streamed they still offer bad spreads because they know updated lines they just dont update live and then blame it on players i have a really good example of this .  I betted  plus 21.5 on a game when it said scored was about 18 diffrence. But really it was already a 27 point diffrence if you watched t live stream. They knew this but kept bad market open. I contacted support and showed them live steam and bad spread and all they said was NO. Its easy to check because it was all live streamed so you can compare live steam and  line to see it was messed up. But too keep my money they said nope no reason just no error. You can see proof here

PROOF

LIVE STREAM TO EASY LOOK TAT IT WAS MESSED UP: https://www.twitch.tv/nba2kleague

Time Bet  Was Placed:7:30 PM 5/19/2020

https://imgur.com/a/Q1Fyicx


Wrap Up Sportsbook:

So now i have tried to be reasonable and talk to sports team and chat but this is not first time I have many examples and proof of the doing suspect tech probs. But after there answers its more looking like a scam.

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[Stunna]

I'll respond to the sports accusations later. But the fact that you are saying our provably fair is not to be trusted because I founded the crypto gambling foundation is a total laugh

So provable fair is mostly  casino plus client, equals output  because they client/player controls part casino can not alter it. Now this is great and if implanted properly it will make a site 100% fair; But its not on stake.com  Let say you play blackjack,  provabe fair was not just spit out a card it mostly is just part of equation/ script to choose a card. So its mostly provablr fair part times script equals card . So why casino does not control provable fair part they can greatly increase there house odds by altering script that selects they cards  . For example provable fair picks a card it will be 100% random because its provable fair, but if the deck is all ace of hearts does not matter how random because only card to pick from is ace of hearts. So even though its so called provable fair its not really fair.  But it will still look provable fair because none of seeds were altered at all.

Feel free to ask any questions about this part.

Now this part is less proven but based on my own expirnces of playing a lot in a pretty good number of games i have came too see many weird things that are not right mathmatcailly and talking to other people with similair results. My only concusion is something is a miss,

This is simply not possible, there is a clear misunderstanding with how proper provably fair works.

[replystakemajorproblem]

stunna i will remove casino part because its unfounded

as i only upsets about sports because its 5 bets and i was exact same probs i have proof

[replystakemajorproblem]

please  look into tbese 4 bets all are real and with proof its same two probs of accpetin bets after goal and points messed up

Thank you for helping

sport: 1,436,305
Sport: 1,418,969
 Sport: 1,399,881
Spot :1,234,360

[Stunna]

please  look into tbese 4 bets all are real and with proof its same two probs of accpetin bets after goal and points messed up

Thank you for helping

sport: 1,436,305
Sport: 1,418,969
 Sport: 1,399,881
Spot :1,234,360

I'll look into these and follow up if I see anything out of the ordinary. I should probably preface this by saying that we do not control what bets or accepted or declined and use the same partner that some of the largest sportsbooks in the world use. Also if you are not accepting all odds changes the likelihood of your livebet being rejected is much higher. There naturally has to be some level of latency because if someone has a slightly faster odds feed than a sportsbook they would be able to front-run and bankrupt a book.

[replystakemajorproblem]

i know all about it . I bet at many sportsbooks, fj, bitidce,, nitro, cloudbet, and even some non crypto ones.

But when i see exact same error more the once then i have  problem. It was exact same error on two bets and other two were very large gaps with live steaming so easy to check and as you can see proof i always set it to never accpet any odd changes and use same for all bets because i know odds can be very quick

[rhomelmabini]

To OP opt to move this on the right board. On the lower-left corner of this thread click "move" and select the "Scam Accusations" board or click that "Report to moderator" button on the first post.

[babo]

To OP opt to move this on the right board. On the lower-left corner of this thread click "move" and select the "Scam Accusations" board or click that "Report to moderator" button on the first post.

I absolutely agree with you
you have to move this thread to the right position otherwise it will not be read by the right people


this subforum is very fast and often goes down in messages, it is also wrong

I'm sorry for what happened let's see if it can be resolved

[replystakemajorproblem]

please  look into tbese 4 bets all are real and with proof its same two probs of accpetin bets after goal and points messed up

Thank you for helping

sport: 1,436,305
Sport: 1,418,969
 Sport: 1,399,881
Spot :1,234,360

I'll look into these and follow up if I see anything out of the ordinary. I should probably preface this by saying that we do not control what bets or accepted or declined and use the same partner that some of the largest sportsbooks in the world use. Also if you are not accepting all odds changes the likelihood of your livebet being rejected is much higher. There naturally has to be some level of latency because if someone has a slightly faster odds feed than a sportsbook they would be able to front-run and bankrupt a book.

Any update  stunna?

[nakamura12]

To OP opt to move this on the right board. On the lower-left corner of this thread click "move" and select the "Scam Accusations" board or click that "Report to moderator" button on the first post.

I absolutely agree with you
you have to move this thread to the right position otherwise it will not be read by the right people


this subforum is very fast and often goes down in messages, it is also wrong

I'm sorry for what happened let's see if it can be resolved

It will be read by some people but not many since it's not the right board for this kind of matter. Well, I wonder how stake will answer or solve this issue from op. Seems there's no answer yet to the last post of op in this thread regarding the 4 bets that op provided to be checked. Move this now so there will be more people can see this accusation.

[babo]

It will be read by some people but not many since it's not the right board for this kind of matter. Well, I wonder how stake will answer or solve this issue from op. Seems there's no answer yet to the last post of op in this thread regarding the 4 bets that op provided to be checked. Move this now so there will be more people can see this accusation.

we'll see, first of all you can leave this thread here

clearly you need a thread in scam accusation, of course.. of course, the flow to find out if there is a scam going on is this
post in scam accusation

it is more fair and orderly, and we can wait stake.com reply about this

[Haunebu]

I have experienced the same thing myself in Bovada where the actual score was way off from what was displayed. I never experienced a similar issue in Stake though.

I spoke to the Bovada customer care and they refunded by money quickly without any issues and promised to resolve them asap. Weird that Stake is taking so long to address these issues especially when multiple players reported similar issues.

I advise op to try contacting them on their main topic here in this forum or through their customer care on their site for an update.

[replystakemajorproblem]

well stake wont because tey know wats up they just want to keep as much money as possible no matter what it takes

[babo]

well stake wont because tey know wats up they just want to keep as much money as possible no matter what it takes

Explain to me what you have to lose? in my humble opinion you should try, unless you are rich or bitcoin early adopter.
But even if you are rich, it is right to try because it does not cost you excessive effort.. in my humble opinion of course.

Try, is zero effort task.

[replystakemajorproblem]

i already have stake know whats happening i am not only one being screwed by there broken. scam sportsbook

[scammed-by-nitro]

In my experience these things still exist.

Live score is almost always wrong at basketball, tennis, volleyball, table tennis. The score provided by stake is always 20-30sec behind, this baits players in thinking the odds are very good although the real score tells other things.

About the live betting odds.
I made the same experience and even fought with the live support chat about it and they just laughed.

I bet on lets say 2.0 odds, something happens and the odds change to 2.3 but while still processing the 2.0 gets accepted 3 sec later.
On the other way, I bet on 2.0 and something good happens and odds go down to 1.8, bet not accepted because of line change.

This happens all the time at this site and is a big problem.