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 November 21, 2020, 09:20:30 PMLast edit: September 21, 2021, 03:26:41 AM by jvanname

The new Cryptocurrency Circcash has been recently launched and is available for you to compile on Ubuntu (I have created but I have not yet released the Windows executable since it gets flagged and quarantined by anti-virus software and has not been signed yet).

Github: https://github.com/jvanname/circcash

Whitepaper: https://github.com/jvanname/Zammazazzer/blob/master/CirclefishICO.pdf

Alternate Circcash discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290467.msg55617409#msg55617409

Website: https://circcashcore.com

Telegram: https://t.me/circcashchat

Relevant discussion from 2017 (the general principle behind using reversible computation for cryptocurrency mining was there, but the details have been modified quite a bit since then, so that discussion is outdated): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2041169.0;all

What is Circcash?

Circcash is the new cryptocurrency with a mining algorithm that is designed to make it easier for hardware manufacturers to develop reversible computing hardware and therefore solve one of the most important outstanding technological problems. Since it takes a degree of intelligence, altruism, and other virtuous qualities to appreciate Circcash, Circcash will attract much higher quality users than most other cryptocurrencies. Furthermore, since Circcash will do a public good, governments will be much less likely to ban or restrict Circcash.

Right now, Circcash is one of the few cryptocurrencies with a mining algorithm that even attempts to repurpose the mining towards solving an important computational problem, and right now there are not very many serious proposals for such useful mining algorithms.

What is reversible computation?

Purely reversible computation is the type of computation that is time reversible in the sense that the state of the machine at time s can be recovered from the state of the machine in time t for t>s simply by running the computation in reverse. In particular, in the process of the computation, no information has been deleted and replaced with zeroes. Partially reversible computation is the type of computation where most but not all of the computational process is reversible (in practice, reversible computation refers to partially reversible computation instead of fully reversible computation).

For example, the AND gate is not reversible since one cannot recover the input from the output since if the output of the AND gate is 0, then one does not know if the input was (0,0),(0,1), or (1,0) since 0=0 AND 0=0 AND 1=1 AND 0. For a similar reason, the OR, XOR, NAND gates are not reversible either. However, the NOT gate is a logically reversible gate since one could always recover the output of a NOT gate from its input. Since reversible logic gates cannot delete any information, every reversible logic gate must have the same number of inputs as outputs.

Consider the following gates:

CNOT gate-(x,y)->(x,x XOR y)

Toffoli gate-(x,y,z)->(x,y,(x AND y) XOR z)

Fredkin gate-(0,y,z)->(0,y,z), (1,y,z)->(1,z,y).

Then the CNOT, Toffoli, and Fredkin gates are all examples of reversible gates. Now, every 2 bit input and 2 bit output reversible gate must be an affine transformation, so the 2 bit input and 2 bit output gates cannot be used for universal reversible computation, but the Toffoli gate is universal for reversible computation, and the Fredkin gate is universal for reversible computation.

The (hopefully near) future use case of reversible computation is that there is a limit to the energy efficiency of irreversible computation but this limit does not apply to the energy efficiency of reversible computation. By CPT-symmetry (charge, parity, time), the laws of physics are time reversible. Therefore whenever information is deleted in a computation, by the laws of physics, that information is not truly deleted but it must go somewhere, and this information is converted into entropy (i.e. waste heat). Furthermore, Landauer's limit gives a precise quantity for the amount of waste heat that must be produced whenever one deletes a bit of information. Landauer's principle states that every time a bit of information is deleted, k*T*ln(2) energy is consumed and transformed into waste heat. Here, k is Boltzmann's constant (k=1.38*10^(-23) Joules/Kelvin) and T is the temperature. To put this into perspective, the quantity (3/2)*k*T is the average kinetic energy of an atom in a monatomic (this means there no molecules consisting of more than one atom) ideal gas, and k*T is quite close to the kinetic energy of an atom moving at the speed of sound (the ideal gas law also gives an intuitive idea about the size of the quantity k*T). Now, this k*T*ln(2) limit is only applicable to computation when one deletes energy. The k*T*ln(2) limit does not give any bound on the efficiency of reversible computation where one limits the amount of information that is deleted.

Now, Boltzmann's constant and Landauer's limit are both extremely small quantities, but right now some forms of computation are so energy efficient that one must take Landauer's limit into consideration when considering how computers may perform such calculations in the not-too-distant future.

In general, reversible computation will require new algorithms, and reversible computation will generally require more space, time, and/or parallelism. Fortunately, the space/time overheads arising from reversible computation are surprisingly reasonable [BENNETT, 89] even in a worst case scenario, and in a best case scenario (for example with an encryption algorithm designed for reversibility), there is no significant computational complexity overhead incurred from reversibility. Therefore, one should expect for general purpose computation to be reversible in the far future. However, in the near future, it will be difficult to make reversible computation energy efficient enough to pay for the space/time overheads and be profitable.

How does Hashspin accelerate reversible computation development?

Hashspin is a cryptocurrency mining algorithm that is designed to be as reversible as possible so that one does not incur a computational complexity overhead simply by mining Circcash on a physically nearly reversible hardware. Hashspin has also been designed to be as simple as possible, so that it is as easy as possible to make physically reversible hardware for Hashspin and/or hardware for Hashspin whose energy efficiency is as close to the Landauer limit as one can get.

Hashspin is relies on a cryptographic technique called the Solution Lottery Technique (SLT), and the SLT allows Hashspin to both have a high level of cryptographic security and contain the qualities that will allow the hardware manufacturers to most easily make energy efficient physically reversible mining machines for mining Hashspin. In particular, the SLT allows over 99.9% of the computation for Hashspin to be spent running two interconnected linear feedback shift registers (LFSRs) of lengths 15 and 17 [LN] (LFSRs have been used in quite a few stream ciphers).  If you know anything about LFSRs, then you would know that LFSRs require very little hardware and very little energy. This will reduce the burden on ASIC manufacturers so that it is easier for them to make reversible ASICs, and this will get the energy efficiency of the LFSRs much closer to Landauer's limit where reversible computation becomes a necessity in order to mine competitively.

Is Hashspin safe?

Hashspin is an entirely new cryptographic function that has not been tested very much by the cryptographic community. Nevertheless, there are reasons to believe that Hashspin should remain secure even though it has not been through all the rigorous tests that one should expect from a cryptographic function. Hashspin relies on the SLT which means that the LFSRs for Hashspin only require 16 bits of security. it is not feasible for a miner to mine Hashspin more efficiently than simply performing a brute force search since any cryptographic break needs to be faster than simply running the LFSR based function (a function that will be very fast and efficient in dedicated hardware) 65536 times.

The miners will not benefit personally from the advances resulting from Circcash mining. Furthermore, the use of Hashspin over SHA-256 mining will not harm the cryptocurrency since the miners, users, and everyone else in the cryptocurrency ecosystem would behave nearly the same way with Hashspin as the mining algorithm as they would if SHA-256d were their mining algorithm. If there is still any doubt as to whether mining algorithms should only serve to secure the network or whether they should solve a scientific problem, then the best way to answer these doubts is to see how Circcash performs in the long-term to determine whether it is a good idea to use a cryptocurrency mining algorithm that is designed to advance science.

What is Circcash better than previous attempts at a useful mining algorithm?

Cryptocurrency mining algorithms must satisfy some stringent cryptographic conditions. This means that most computational problems cannot be made into suitable cryptocurrency mining algorithms. Furthermore, it is no good for a cryptocurrency mining algorithm to solve a scientific problem and provide 1 million dollars of scientific value when it costs 1 billion dollars in mining to solve that scientific problem. A good cryptocurrency mining algorithm needs to be able to provide billions of dollars of scientific benefit as long as billions of dollars are spent on mining. Since reversible computation is the only way to make computation more energy efficient in the long-term, the problem of developing reversible computing hardware is an extremely important problem, and it is well worth spending potentially billions of dollars on mining hardware to help solve this problem. This cannot be said of other so-called useful mining algorithms. Right now there are only a few serious proposed and implemented useful cryptocurrency mining algorithms, and it is unlikely that a new mining algorithm can be as useful as Hashspin without compromising security in any way.

The difference between Hashspin and other proposed useful mining algorithms is that Hashspin behaves much more like a cryptographic hash function (that only needs to jumble bits up as efficiently as possible) and less like a typical algorithm for solving a useful problem. From a miner's perspective, Hashspin will behave just like SHA-256; the miners will not benefit personally in any way from mining other than the block reward. In any case, if there is any question about whether having a useful mining algorithm is inheritently detrimental to the currency, one should support experimentation so that one can back up this hypothesis with evidence, so Circcash has experimental value since it is a cryptocurrency with a useful mining algorithm.

Circcash is a fork of Litecoin with 2 minute block intervals. There is no halving period for Circcash. Circcash will issue the same amount of coins for all time. Under this protocol, the inflation rate for Circcash will approach zero as the time approaches infinity, and the inflation rate will be inversely proportional to the amount of time since the Genesis block was created. 12.5% of the mining reward will go towards the development of Circcash, but this small tax is only temporary (the Circcash code will automatically drop this reward under the right conditions and the Circcash development will voluntarily drop the 12.5% development fund when it becomes unnecessary). Circcash is denominated by CIRCs which stand for Certificate of Innovation in Reversible Computation.

The genesis block for Circcash was mined about 4 months ago, and the first few blocks were mined on July 27, 2020 (Genesis time: Wednesday July 01, 2020: I waited a few weeks between the Genesis block and the time when the next few blocks were mined).  The Circcash source code was made publicly available a couple of weeks after the genesis block was mined.

This is the first official Bitcointalk post about Circcash since its launch. However, I have many times in the past for the past three years since May of 2017 both online and in person have been promoting the use of cryptocurrency mining to help accelerate the development of the reversible computer, so people should have been anticipating the release of Circcash.

References

[BENNETT, 89] TIME/SPACE TRADE-OFFS FOR REVERSIBLE COMPUTATION. CHARLES H. BENNETT. SIAM J. COMP Vol. 18, No. 4, pp. 766-776, August 1989

[LN] Finite Fields (Encyclopedia of Mathematics and its Applications) 2nd Edition by Rudolf Lidl  (Author), Harald Niederreiter (Author)
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 November 21, 2020, 10:12:32 PM

Where i can get windows wallet, to start mining?
I dont have ubuntu

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 November 21, 2020, 10:27:29 PM

Where i can get windows wallet, to start mining?
I dont have ubuntu

https://github.com/jvanname/circcash/issues/4
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 November 21, 2020, 10:34:55 PM

yep

But without windows wallet this coin probably dont get much popularity, because only few people can mine it

[I ran a Circcash-qt executable file on Windows, and McAfee Antivirus has incorrectly labelled Circcash-qt as a 'virus' and has quarantined Circcash-qt and related files (I assume other antivirus programs will do the same). Furthermore, McAfee Antivirus has blocked the ip-addresses of the other nodes on the Circcash network. This is probably due to the fact that I did not sign the Circcash executables, but I do not know for sure. The Windows executables for mining and transacting in Circcash have not been released yet. I am not going to release the Circcash executable files until I have the Circcash executables signed. However, the process of signing the Circcash code will take about a couple hundred USD, and I am not willing to spend this money to sign the Circcash code unless and until I receive the revenue to cover this expense through a sponsorship. Therefore, the only way that I will be willing to publicly release a Windows executable for mining Circcash is if I obtain enough revenue through sponsorships to cover this expense. Please send me an e-mail message at circcash9192020@protonmail.com to request the Windows executable.]

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 November 21, 2020, 10:37:10 PM

Right now, the Circcash Windows Executable has been created but it is not available to download. Fortunately, the procedure for making a LiveUSB to boot up using Ubuntu and then install Ubuntu on your computer and the procedure for setting up a Ubuntu virtual machine using software such as VirtualBox are quite straightforward. You should consider the work that it takes to set up Circcash on Ubuntu as part of the work required in proof-of-work (i.e. you are getting paid to set up Circcash on Ubuntu). I apologize if this causes any inconvenience.

P.S. I have found that making a liveUSB is a very useful skill to have outside of cryptocurrencies. For example, if you know someone who is locked out of his computer because he lost his password, then one can boot from a Ubuntu liveUSB to access all the files and use the computer.
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 November 21, 2020, 10:56:18 PM

I plan on releasing the Circcash wallet Windows executable soon, but people should try to use Ubuntu if they want to participate in early mining and early adoption and mine Circcash while mining is still relatively easy. It will be easier to mine Circcash right now using Ubuntu than it will be to mine Circcash later when mining becomes extremely competitive.
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 November 22, 2020, 12:57:46 AM

I heard that there is an unofficial Circcash wallet Windows executable going around (you can probably request it on the community Discord channel). This one still has the issue of getting flagged by anti-virus software though (this is the reason I did not release my own Windows executable).
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 November 22, 2020, 06:42:05 AM

I am the one responsible for the win wallet  Anyone needing it can pm me.

It took my some time to clean it up, add auto connect, change all the imaging, and compile.

Like you dev, nothing is free so if the community can come together and donate a total of 0.005 BTC (which is nothing), I'll release that publicly here.

Wallet for donations: 3DEpcmLHAzUVBewXbsJ3cgubY2YLWTqBzy
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Update:

Working on the Mac wallet and explorer now.

Again, I have to ask for some donations, at least to cover the domain purchase for explorer and my time that went into this.

This is all for wallets, clean, optimized, and compiled, and the explorer (+ domain etc). I am also busy working on the pool/mining software but that would take some time.

All links will be posted to this ANN when done and when I get some donations.

Cheers!
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 November 22, 2020, 06:00:55 PM

I compiled a windows version for the QT wallet if anyone is interested: https://mega.nz/file/0UcEyTbD#vFkviYnEe9OVKxuCUNCg2h1EbgKbGu8McQge3FTZk_M

Have fun!
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 November 22, 2020, 06:25:02 PMLast edit: November 22, 2020, 06:36:03 PM by br0ken

Anyone?
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 November 22, 2020, 07:22:28 PM

In the link, https://github.com/jvanname/circcash/wiki/Core-principles, we read "Open-Source: Circcash's source code will be open for anyone to read, copy, share, or modify."
Circcash users may do as they wish, and they are free to do what is most convenient for them, but Circcash core development cannot endorse any closed source wallet. Circcash core development therefore recommends for the source code any modifications to be published.

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In the link, https://github.com/jvanname/circcash/wiki/Core-principles, we read "Open-Source: Circcash's source code will be open for anyone to read, copy, share, or modify."
Circcash users may do as they wish, and they are free to do what is most convenient for them, but Circcash core development cannot endorse any closed source wallet. Circcash core development therefore recommends for the source code any modifications to be published.

Just living what you are preaching dev (nothing is free) ... you want $9k a month donations, we are asking small donations for the work YOU are suppose to do! See it in a different way. jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  November 22, 2020, 09:37:29 PM Such a remark does nothing to convince me or anyone else of the security of the software. Such a remark does the opposite. cobonadu Member Offline Activity: 282 Merit: 10  November 22, 2020, 11:02:43 PM just built on Ubuntu and try to mine Code: "version" : 80705, "protocolversion" : 70002, "walletversion" : 60000, "balance" : 0.00000000, "blocks" : 91404, "timeoffset" : 0, "connections" : 1, "proxy" : "", "difficulty" : 0.00001772, "testnet" : false, "keypoololdest" : 1606085227, "keypoolsize" : 101, "paytxfee" : 0.00000000, "mininput" : 0.00001000, "errors" : "" hope can get some blocks with my personal computer TimeTeller Hero Member Offline Activity: 1862 Merit: 560  November 22, 2020, 11:08:20 PM Is the dev going to host his website in a more secure one other than WordPress? Also, I hope someone is working on the content as right now the content are mostly placeholders. And is this a solo project as I can see only one author in the whitepaper? Would be hard to attend all the necessary things if the dev will not hire some staffs that will attend other things in terms of development and marketing.  .████▄ ▄██████████▄ ▄ ▄██████▀████▀ ▄███▄ ▀████▀▀▀ ▄██▀▀▀██▄ ▀▀▄████ ████▄███████████████▀████ ████▀▄█▄ ▀██▄▄▄██▀ ▄█▄▄███▄ ▀███▀ ▄███▄▄███▀▀█▀ ▀ ▀█▀▀███▄▀█▀ ▀█▀ Duelbits ▄████▄▄ ▄█████████▄ ▄█████████████▄ ▄██████████████████▄ ▄████▄▄▄█████████▄▄▄███▄ ▄████▐▀▄▄▀▌██▄█▄██▐▀▄▄▀▌███ ██████▀▀▀▀████▀███▀▀▀▀█████▐████████████■▄▄▄■██████████▀▐██████████████████████████▀██████████████████████████▀▀███████████████████████▀ ▀███████████████████▀ ▀███████████████▀ . ▄ ▄▄▀▀▀▀▄▄ ▄▀▀▄ █ █ ▀▄ █ ▄█▄ ▀▄ █ ▄▀ ▀▄ ▀█▀ ▄▀ ▀█▄▄▄▀▀ ▀ ▄▀ ▄▀ ▄▀Live Games ▄▄▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄▄ ▄▀ ▄▄▀▀▀▀▀▄▄ ▀▄▄▀ █ ▄ █ ▄ █ ▀▄█ █ ▀ ▀ █ █ ▄▄▄█ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ █ █ ██▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀█ █▄██ ▀▀█ ▀▀█ ▀▀█ █ █▄█Slots . ▄▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄ █ ▄▄ █▄▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄ ██ ▄▄ █ ██ █ ██ ▄▀▀▄▀▀▄ █ ██ ▀▄ ▄▀ █ █Blackjack | ▄▄▀▀█▌ ▄▄▀█▄ █ ▄▀ ▀▄▄ █ █ ▄▄ ▀█ ▄▄█ █ █ ▐▌ ▄▀ █ ▀▀ █▄▀ ▐▌ ██ ▄▀▀▄▄ ▄▀▀▀ ▄ ▀▄▄ ▄▀█ ▄▀ ▄ ▀█▀ █ ▄▀ ▄▀ █ █ ▄▀ █ █▄▀ ▄▀ NEW GAME!..CRASH... | NEW VIPLOUNGE | ..ALMOST UP TO....50% REWARDS... | [ Đ ][ Ł ]AVAILABLE NOW br0ken Full Member Offline Activity: 462 Merit: 102  November 23, 2020, 05:29:31 AM Such a remark does nothing to convince me or anyone else of the security of the software. Such a remark does the opposite. Such a remark does nothing to convince me your project is going anywhere .. clever idea, but it ends there. I mean, come on .. sit on your ass and expect folks to toss you$9k a month

Actually, on second thoughts, fuckit .. this is your job anyway! Do your own wallets, explorers, and pools

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That sounds like a plan. Nobody needs to hear from people like you who constantly complain when someone asks simply for the source code of the Windows wallet for security.
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That sounds like a plan. Nobody needs to hear from people like you who constantly complain when someone asks simply for the source code of the Windows wallet for security.

That is rich coming from YOU of all people! Laughable! Your release went straight to the gutter when you couldn't even get the Win and Mac wallets going. No explorer, no pools, no nothing! I mean, you couldn't even change the Litecoin logos in the client

Here, look at some of the funny shit you bestowed upon us, dev:

However, the process of signing the Circcash code will take about a couple hundred USD, and I am not willing to spend this money to sign the Circcash code unless and until I receive the revenue to cover this expense through a sponsorship. Therefore, the only way that I will be willing to publicly release a Windows executable for mining Circcash is if I obtain enough revenue through sponsorships to cover this expense.

Furthermore, I am unwilling to use paid services to help people with this issue until I receive enough Circcash sponsorship to pay for these expenses. I will not do things for free, and I will certainly not spend my own money to help others when others are unwilling to contribute.

Telegram: https://t.me/circcashgroup (for sponsors only at $40 a month. Non-sponsors can send only quick direct messages.). You can also support the development of Circcash through Paypal (if you are supporting Circcash through Paypal, you will need to contact the core developer Joseph Van Name to claim your bounty privileges). Look at the sponsor pages: @jvanname's goal is to earn$9,000 per month
Reaching this goal will better enable Circcash to be a cryptocurrency that can compete with Bitcoin.

You want people to throw about $9k a month your way so you can "work full time" on Circcash ... what a joke! You actually think people would fall for this? Look at your PP donation page: "Donate to Cryptocurrency Entrepreneur" Hahahaha Are you even the real van name? I am going to investigate this further. br0ken Full Member Offline Activity: 462 Merit: 102  November 23, 2020, 06:56:03 AMLast edit: November 23, 2020, 07:16:53 AM by br0ken Nirado Member Offline Activity: 121 Merit: 10 Tullievo  November 23, 2020, 09:23:35 AM That sounds like a plan. Nobody needs to hear from people like you who constantly complain when someone asks simply for the source code of the Windows wallet for security. I agree that not giving the wallet sc is sketchy br0ken Full Member Offline Activity: 462 Merit: 102  November 23, 2020, 09:31:33 AM That sounds like a plan. Nobody needs to hear from people like you who constantly complain when someone asks simply for the source code of the Windows wallet for security. I agree that not giving the wallet sc is sketchy As sketchy as the developer himself not giving the wallet unless people send him money jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  November 23, 2020, 01:06:13 PMLast edit: November 23, 2020, 01:19:20 PM by jvanname Please learn about reversible computation and linear feedback shift registers so that you can understand Circcash. There is nothing sketchy about requiring money to operate since every single business, non-profit, and government agency requires money. If they did not, then there would not be any point to having cryptocurrencies at all. On the other hand, spamming Bitcointalk with continuous images of while others are having a legitimate discussion and refusing to release the source code for anything is sketchy. jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  November 23, 2020, 02:35:19 PM If you want to 'investigate' anything about me, I suggest you start by reading this paper https://arxiv.org/abs/1812.02761. br0ken Full Member Offline Activity: 462 Merit: 102  November 23, 2020, 03:14:18 PMLast edit: November 23, 2020, 03:26:47 PM by br0ken Please learn about reversible computation and linear feedback shift registers so that you can understand Circcash. I don't give a shit about your math .. this is crypto my friend !! Not a uni lecture room. Learn about that and how to do things in this world. There is nothing sketchy about requiring money to operate since every single business, non-profit, and government agency requires money. Sure as hell is. Only, this isn't a business or gov agency or the likes. I have NEVER in my 6 years in crypto seen this, where a fancy-pants math "wizard" wants money for what should all be standard to a coin launch. What are you needing to develop with the core alone? Other than removing the ltc icons which you couldn't even do?? And then try get funds to "sign" the executables where nowhere in cryptoland that has been a show stopper. I can release the code, but that would help you. It would only make your lousy job easier. It would only be doing, essentially, what you are not capable of, and I refuse to. This shit is already dead. Nice dream though br0ken Full Member Offline Activity: 462 Merit: 102  November 23, 2020, 04:06:59 PM If you want to 'investigate' anything about me, I suggest you start by reading this paper https://arxiv.org/abs/1812.02761. Also, thanks! does it relate to your gig here ? no .. That just doesn't "sell" you man! jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  November 23, 2020, 05:23:11 PM Mathematics has everything to do with cryptocurrency development. Without the kind of mathematics that originally arose from complex analysis and finite fields, there would be no cryptocurrency in the first place. For example, to get a digital signature, you will need to use ECDSA which is the digital signature algorithm arising from elliptic curves. In complex analysis (you know, the analysis including numbers of the form a+b*i where i^2=1), there is this thing called a Riemann surface. The uniformization theorem states that every simply connected Riemann surface is conformally equivalent to either the open disk, the plane, or the Riemann sphere. In particular, every Riemann surface has one of these three Riemann surfaces as its universal cover. Other examples of Riemann surfaces include the Toruses which are the quotient groups C/L where L is a 2-dimensional sublattice of C. Now the Toruses C/L are peculiar because they not only are Riemann surfaces but they also have a group structure so they are complex Lie groups. Now, there is no non-constant meromorphic mapping f:C/L-->C, so the most natural question is what are the meromorphic mappings f:C/L-->C\cup{infinity} where C\cup{infinity} is the Riemann sphere. Now, the Weierstrass function is the unique meromorphic function P:C/L-->C\cup{infinity} that has a unique singularity with singular part 1/(z^2) at the point z=0, and every meromorphic function f:C/L-->C\cup{infinity} can be obtained in a trivial way from the Weierstrass function. Now, your Weierstrass function will satisfy the differential equation P'(z)^2=4P(z)^3-g*P(z)-h, so the set of all points of the form (P(z),P'(z)) will be precisely the set of all points on an elliptic curve y^2=4x^3-g*x-h. Furthermore, since C/L is an abelian group, we can make the elliptic curve y^2=4x^3-g*x-h into an abelian group such that the mapping z->(P(z),P'(z)) is an abelian group homomorphism. Now, it is not only the case that elliptic curves over the field of complex numbers can be made into abelian groups, but elliptic curves over all fields including fields of prime characteristic can be made into abelian groups (you can easily convince yourself that this is the case since the field of complex numbers is isomorphic to the ultraproduct of the algebraic closures of finite fields of infinitely many characteristics). Now, finite abelian groups can be used as the platforms of cryptosystems including digital signature algorithms. Since the elliptic curves over finite fields are finite abelian groups, one can use these elliptic curves as platforms for digital signature algorithms, and the elliptic curve digital signature algorithm is necessary for cryptocurrencies to operate as efficiently as they do. The novel features of Hashspin also arise from mathematics. Please read the references in the original post. Please come back to me once you have understood everything in this post. soma909 Newbie Offline Activity: 22 Merit: 0  November 29, 2020, 12:12:38 AM Hi, is there a flag to set the number of mining threads on the linux build? Thanks jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  November 29, 2020, 01:36:28 AM Yes. You can set the number of threads you want to mine with. When you select help-debug window in "Circcash-qt", you can type "setgenerate true n" into the console where n is the number of CPU threads you want to mine with. For example, you can type "setgenerate true 3" into the console to mine with 3 CPU threads. Good luck mining. soma909 Newbie Offline Activity: 22 Merit: 0  December 07, 2020, 10:05:18 PM Thanks. Do you have a figure for the current network hashrate? getmininginfo returns "512" which if accurate I would assume to mean 512 megahashes. jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  December 07, 2020, 11:31:55 PM The number 512 is accurate. The reason why it is so low is that only 1 out of 65536 attempts are counted towards the 512. Please read the whitepaper (especially the section on the SLT and related sections) for details as to why this is the case. The true hashrate should be a more reasonable 512*65536 attempts a second. LaaMos Seeth Newbie Offline Activity: 90 Merit: 0  December 18, 2020, 04:55:09 AM I plan on releasing the Circcash wallet Windows executable soon, How soon ? 1 month has passed since these words. jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  December 18, 2020, 03:47:56 PMLast edit: December 18, 2020, 04:03:41 PM by jvanname If you want the Windows Executable to come out faster, you will need to sponsor Circcash. If everything can simply be done for free, there would be no point to having any cryptocurrency in the first place. If people continue to be cheapskates and not sponsor Circcash, then an official Windows Executable that is not flagged by anti-virus software will remain unavailable. Do you understand? https://github.com/sponsors/jvanname jardine Full Member Offline Activity: 679 Merit: 103  December 18, 2020, 04:04:31 PM Usually people want donate to something, if they see this [something] have potential and already have, lets say, minimal crypto MVP pack (working wallet, basic branding, 1 official pool at least, block explorer, understanable roadmap etc etc). You ask people donate in advance for project, which have only working wallet; thats all. What will happen if nobody wants to donate? You will stop development comletely? BITCOINTALKTELEGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOK ● DISCORD SEDO POW TOKEN DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM BASED ON BLOCKCHAIN jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  December 18, 2020, 04:32:40 PMLast edit: December 18, 2020, 11:03:27 PM by jvanname No. People do not want to contribute because they are cheapskates. If everything was already developed, there would be no need for me to ask for sponsors. You get what you pay for. If you do not contribute to the development of Circcash, I will not take the effort to make sure that Circcash has a Windows Executable that is not flagged by anti-virus software. How hard is this to understand? If people are not willing to contribute, Circcash will still run just fine (more CIRCs for me), but they get no Windows Executable that is not flagged by anti-virus software. You should really have the decency to spell words like "understandable" CORRECTLY! You clearly have not read all the posts I have on github.com about Circcash since they describe the plans for Circcash in great detail. Did you even install Circcash? P.S. We do not need an 'official' mining pool since it would not be good for any central authority to be in charge of both the development of Circcash and the mining. P.P.S. And there is a block explorer. You clearly have nothing constructive to say. jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  December 18, 2020, 04:48:44 PM I am telling you that your sponsorships will got specifically towards making the Windows executable no longer be quarantined by anti-virus software. The plans for Circcash are publicly available, and it is your fault if you do not understand what Circcash is all about (this is usually due to people who don't like math). LaaMos Seeth Newbie Offline Activity: 90 Merit: 0  December 19, 2020, 03:29:12 AM If you want the Windows Executable to come out faster, you will need to sponsor Circcash. If everything can simply be done for free, there would be no point to having any cryptocurrency in the first place. If people continue to be cheapskates and not sponsor Circcash, then an official Windows Executable that is not flagged by anti-virus software will remain unavailable. Do you understand? https://github.com/sponsors/jvanname Sponsorship on GitHub is possible only through Credit card or PayPal. Not very comfortable. And they are not very popular in the cryptoworld. Maybe you add the address of LTC, BTC, ETH (or some other cryptocurrency in which you would like to receive a donation) to your profile on this forum and also indicate these addresses on GitHub and official TG group? LaaMos Seeth Newbie Offline Activity: 90 Merit: 0  December 19, 2020, 03:44:21 AM block explorer Explorer is available at https://chainz.cryptoid.info/circ/ jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  December 19, 2020, 04:12:33 AM Ok. I will add a BTC or a LTC address. LaaMos Seeth Newbie Offline Activity: 90 Merit: 0  December 19, 2020, 04:20:16 AM Ok. I will add a BTC or a LTC address. As for me, LTC will be better because -faster -small fee -people will be able to make small donations of 3-5 dollars and in BTC this amount is only a commission for a transaction. LaaMos Seeth Newbie Offline Activity: 90 Merit: 0  December 19, 2020, 05:04:51 AM Could you please tell us, the first two addresses on the rich list are your official addresses? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/circ/#!rich Thank you. jardine Full Member Offline Activity: 679 Merit: 103  December 19, 2020, 05:24:29 AM Could you please tell us, the first two addresses on the rich list are your official addresses? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/circ/#!rich Thank you. yep, i really want to know this too. Because if first 2 wallets not devs (with more than a 50% of all circs), this guy will dump really heavily on any buy support at exchange BITCOINTALKTELEGRAMTWITTERFACEBOOK ● DISCORD SEDO POW TOKEN DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM BASED ON BLOCKCHAIN rplant8 Newbie Offline Activity: 53 Merit: 0  December 19, 2020, 01:50:02 PM Circcash coin added to cpu-coins pool https://pool.rplant.xyz Pool fee 1%, payments every hour from 1 CIRC Download optimized cpuminer-opt for windows/linux/macos https://pool.rplant.xyz/#circcash#connect vardiff ports 7050 and 17050(SSL) Code: cpuminer -a circcash -o stratum+tcps://stratum-ru.rplant.xyz:17050 -u WALLET.WORKER cpuminer -a circcash -o stratum+tcps://stratum-eu.rplant.xyz:17050 -u WALLET.WORKER cpuminer -a circcash -o stratum+tcps://stratum-asia.rplant.xyz:17050 -u WALLET.WORKER cpuminer -a circcash -o stratum+tcps://stratum-na.rplant.xyz:17050 -u WALLET.WORKER pool support: https://discord.gg/eHzNXmp https://t.me/RPLANT_POOL jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  December 21, 2020, 03:14:18 AM One of the top two wallets, Wallet CZM9CzT6J4ZEivuRfB817X7yzcGuRN3UqM is the temporary official developers wallet which is used to promote and develop Circcash (I have not opened this yet, but I will open this soon so that I do not have to badger people about sponsoring Circcash). Hmm. It looks like someone has obtained a majority of mining power. Furthermore, this entity has even optimized the code to obtain 8.75 CIRCs as the mining reward instead of 8.7 CIRCs (a 0.5% boost). I am glad to see someone is serious about mining, but we need other miners to compete with that entity. jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  December 21, 2020, 06:06:57 AM Block #112227 has hash 5f34a4e5a66a4d528c2067ec8b22d877cf856bfe5d8eb50697981a17f5ba479e EXCHALTGE Newbie Offline Activity: 4 Merit: 0  December 23, 2020, 06:42:35 AM Hi all, I'm pleased to pre-announce my first big project, after 6 months of hard work: exchaltge.com Exchaltge will be an altcoin exchange focused on small cryptocoin communities, and we are offering some faucets, claimable every 12 hours and based on the random number generator of one coin that will be tradeable on the exchange. Markets will be opened on 6th January, and we will offer 10-12 markets. But for the moment, we are finishing the development of the withdraw automated system, and we have already opened the wallet with 3 cryptocurrencies (STLX , SUGAR, CPU and CIRC) that have a faucet available and a low minimum of withdraw to be able to test the system. You are all invited to register and try the faucets: https://exchaltge.com For any comment, I'll be here! Best regards! neguinho1 Newbie Offline Activity: 109 Merit: 0  December 23, 2020, 03:02:38 PM some mining by GPU jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  December 23, 2020, 07:40:19 PM The miner with the majority hash power is actually the mining pool https://pool.rplant.xyz/ that was mentioned before. I have been testing this mining pool by mining on a cheap laptop. I got about 1 CIRC after a few hours of farming YAY!!! I do not see any evidence of GPU farming yet. LaaMos Seeth Newbie Offline Activity: 90 Merit: 0  December 26, 2020, 04:33:27 AM What is your next step in coin development, jvanname? jvanname Member Offline Activity: 128 Merit: 15  December 26, 2020, 07:00:16 AMLast edit: December 27, 2020, 02:05:40 AM by jvanname There are a few things that I want to do in the near future (this list is not exhaustive). 1. I need to contact anti-virus corporations to figure out why the Circcash Windows wallet executable is still quarantined by anti-virus software. When this problem is fixed, we can all start using an official Windows Circcash wallet. 2. Circcash is already listed on bitsails, but I will inquire about additional exchanges. Is it good for a new currency to be on multiple exchanges, or will the fact that Circcash is on multiple exchanges dilute the volume too much? Edited: One exchange that was recommended to me recently got hacked. I therefore cannot recommend any exchanges unless I know the inner workings of the exchange. I am certainly unwilling to pay anything to be on an exchange that could easily be hacked. 3. I want to create a second block explorer for Circcash (yes, there is already a block explorer. I just think it is a good idea for me to try making a different one myself since I am the core developer). 4. I need to add at least one checkpoint to the Circcash source code for security (this is listed as an issue on Github; a mining pool now has majority hash power, so I probably should have thought about doing this earlier; I am unsure of what to write for the time and total number of transactions, so please message me if you know what I should write for these entries in the source code). Checkpoints are good for relatively new cryptocurrencies. 5. I will probably conduct a little bit of cryptographic research into Laver table based cryptography when I have any spare time and/or computing power to do so. I am the only mathematician who has been working on the Laver tables recently, and Laver tables may be useful in cryptography (I want to remain up to speed on Laver tables). The online job that I was working on the the past few months is going away (no, I did not get fired.), so I should have much more time to work on Circcash. Please sponsor Circcash so that I can actually develop these nice things and so that I do not consider you a cheapskate. https://github.com/jvanname/circcash/wiki/How-you-can-help jardine Full Member Offline Activity: 679 Merit: 103  December 28, 2020, 04:01:19 AM I can be wrong, but in my 5 year crypto experience, i see many donate-based projects, and catch one intresting moment: - projects, where people willing to donate, it s projects where dev (s) working some time for free, until they can show to community minimal mvp (wallet, basic website, basic branding, basic pool, roadmap) and can show that - with donates - it s really room to grow. - projects, where devs say - guys, let s donate me fixed amount in month (5-10-20k$) and i wrote you a new ETH. But donate first.
It can be worked, but only if you experienced crypto dev, with reputation and nice track record.
If not - this model in 99% of time not work.

I dont want to discourage you and i really wish to success to circcash, but i see you dont understand how things work in cryptoworld.
To make it simple - work first, people will donate after (if they see your work is good and have room to grow).

Naming people "cheapskates" and asking support you with donates - really, not a brilliant idea.

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You seriously need to proofread what you write before you post. Your spelling, grammar, punctuation, and capitalization are terrible. I have absolutely no respect for people like you who refuse to communicate properly. I already have most of the features you have mentioned. Have you even been to the Circcash website and Github website? We have a mining pool. We have a block explorer. We have a logo. You clearly do not know anything about Circcash. Have you even read the whitepaper? If not, then please go back and read the whitepaper so that you can understand Circcash. In your 5 year crypto experience, have you ever learned that maybe you should demonstrate a certain level of mastery of the English language?
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I think you care too much about spelling and grammar - it s not most important part in development, believe me;

You create an official pool? No, it s rplant do.

You create an explorer? No, it s some (asian?) guys do.

Say me, if i m wrong.

You create only website on wordpress, with less info about coin than, literally! , this my message and not even bothering remove [default] posts from blog section.

And yeah, biggest problem to be solved right now is:

1) write to all antivirus company to ask them why circcash wallet is detecting as threat; like it s rocket science for users just click one button and push [exclude this file from threats]. But only after half a year, when this question will be solved, all win users get official win qt, great.

2) tell people in internet to spelling correctly, with proper grammar

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1. Windows users can do other things like learn how to use Linux. I hope you know that learning to install Ubuntu or use it as a virtual machine is part of the work in proof-of-work. And if they really want to use Circcash on Windows, they can always sponsor Circcash and tell me that their sponsorship is meant to pay me to pick up the phone and call the anti-virus companies. Search engines for obvious reasons really do not like websites that may contain malware, so I cannot publicly post a Windows Circcash executable until I have contacted the anti-virus companies.

2. And you still need to use correct grammar. I need people like you to communicate properly. Using poor grammar if offensive and it makes your communication unclear. If you use bad grammar and I cannot understand what you are trying to say, I promise to interpret what you say in the worst possible way.

Do you think that having an official mining pool that takes mining fees from everyone makes a cryptocurrency more decentralized? No. It does not. You clearly do not know the first thing about cryptocurrencies.

Please come back after you have read the Circcash whitepaper and after you understand reversible computation and why it is significant.

P.S. Why do you say the creators of the explorer are Asian? It is also quite racist to neglect to capitalize "Asian". Now do you see why using good capitalization is important?

P.P.S. If you rail on cryptocurrency developers for asking for a modest sponsorship before continuing to develop inessential features for the coin, you will only get cryptocurrencies like Ethereum (70% pre-mined) and all the ICO scams (100% pre-mined). Why don't you spend your time railing on those scamcoins? You do not believe in the idea of cryptocurrencies in the first place since you are offended whenever someone asks to get paid.
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I ll say short - if you will see amount of donation is growing, you on right way.

If not - maybe you should thinking "why?"

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If people do not want to be early investors in Circcash, then there will be more CIRCs for me and the few others who have enough sense to invest early. If people do not want to contribute early on, this just means that there will be less advertising and flashy glamour early on to attract people who are unwilling to read the whitepaper and install Linux Ubuntu (or contribute enough so that I will be willing to actually contact the anti-virus company to see how to fix the problem). Later more people will come along and invest in Circcash when everything is presented perfectly, but it will be much more difficult for them to obtain CIRCs. This is why people should care more about ideas so that they do not simply fall into advertising gimmicks.
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I have updated the source code on Github to enable much faster Circcash farming.
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wow, what happens with hashrate? it s fpga mining now or what

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99.9% of the work in Circcash mining is simply running the following piece of code which runs the linear feedback shift registers (LFSRs).

Code:
for (i=0; i <32; i++) {
point=hash[i];
for (j=0; j <4;j++) {

lar=point&3;
if (lar>1){lar^=18;}

cc=((cc<<8)|(cc>>7))&32767;
dd=((dd<<8)|(dd>>9))&131071;
ccc=cc<<24;
ddd=dd<<24;
cc^=(ccc>>23)^((ccc>>21)&(ddd>>21));
dd^=(ddd>>21)^(ccc>>23);
cc^=lar<<2;
point=(point>>2);
}
}

This code is far simpler than SHA-256 or any other cryptocurrency mining algorithm especially when it comes to building ASICs. The simplicity of this part of the algorithm is probably what made it so easy to configure GPUs or even FPGAs to obtain a high hash rate.
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99.9% of the work in Circcash mining is simply running the following piece of code which runs the linear feedback shift registers (LFSRs).

Code:
for (i=0; i <32; i++) {
point=hash[i];
for (j=0; j <4;j++) {

lar=point&3;
if (lar>1){lar^=18;}

cc=((cc<<8)|(cc>>7))&32767;
dd=((dd<<8)|(dd>>9))&131071;
ccc=cc<<24;
ddd=dd<<24;
cc^=(ccc>>23)^((ccc>>21)&(ddd>>21));
dd^=(ddd>>21)^(ccc>>23);
cc^=lar<<2;
point=(point>>2);
}
}
and for windows?

This code is far simpler than SHA-256 or any other cryptocurrency mining algorithm especially when it comes to building ASICs. The simplicity of this part of the algorithm is probably what made it so easy to configure GPUs or even FPGAs to obtain a high hash rate.
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On Monday, I will contact McAfee Antivirus by phone about the software so that people don't have to use Ubuntu.
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So, what McAfee say? He was released from jail already?

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John McAfee does not like Circcash because he likes waste (if you saw clips of the Showtime documentary, you know what I am talking about, and you know why John McAfee should be in jail; if you do not know about these clips, then viewer discretion is advised), and Circcash is set out to not waste resources on a mining algorithm that is not designed to help solve some important scientific/technological problem. John McAfee likes Monero and he liked Bitcoin in the past because those cryptocurrencies produce enough waste computation for him.

John McAfee's former company that bears his last name looked into the executable file and has determined that it is not a virus. They made no recommendations about changes to the source code. Other anti-virus programs however may still consider Circcash to be a threat, so I may need to contact other anti-virus companies. Please let me know if any other type of anti-virus software thinks Circcash is malware.
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According to explorer, the block reward is increased to 10. when? why?

My bad! 8.75 reward + 1.25 dev fee
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Right now my main concern is that a single entity has a majority of the mining power. We need more competition.
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HI,

No exchange for this coin?

Only 1 mining pool  rplant.xyz

How does one mine and not have the option to take some coins ?

Thanks
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People have been trading Circcash on https://www.bitsails.com/ for over a month. This is the exchange that shows up if you go to google.com and search "Circcash exchange". I do not know why people still believe there are no Circcash exchanges and why they are recommending for me to apply for Circcash to be on an exchange that just got hacked.

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HI, okay thank you very much , i must have not seen it in google when i first searched.
I will have a look and then help make everybody more aware also.
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There are a few things that I want to do in the near future (this list is not exhaustive).

1. I need to contact anti-virus corporations to figure out why the Circcash Windows wallet executable is still quarantined by anti-virus software. When this problem is fixed, we can all start using an official Windows Circcash wallet.

2. Circcash is already listed on bitsails, but I will inquire about additional exchanges. Is it good for a new currency to be on multiple exchanges, or will the fact that Circcash is on multiple exchanges dilute the volume too much? Edited: One exchange that was recommended to me recently got hacked. I therefore cannot recommend any exchanges unless I know the inner workings of the exchange. I am certainly unwilling to pay anything to be on an exchange that could easily be hacked.

3. I want to create a second block explorer for Circcash (yes, there is already a block explorer. I just think it is a good idea for me to try making a different one myself since I am the core developer).

4. I need to add at least one checkpoint to the Circcash source code for security (this is listed as an issue on Github; a mining pool now has majority hash power, so I probably should have thought about doing this earlier; I am unsure of what to write for the time and total number of transactions, so please message me if you know what I should write for these entries in the source code). Checkpoints are good for relatively new cryptocurrencies.

5. I will probably conduct a little bit of cryptographic research into Laver table based cryptography when I have any spare time and/or computing power to do so. I am the only mathematician who has been working on the Laver tables recently, and Laver tables may be useful in cryptography (I want to remain up to speed on Laver tables).

May I ask you what you did for the last 3.5 months ?
I see no progress to be honest.

And you said that:
The online job that I was working on the the past few months is going away (no, I did not get fired.), so I should have much more time to work on Circcash.
But where is the result ?
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What kind of progress are you looking for?  Do you even know anything about reversible computation? Are you a holder of any Circcash?
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Are you a holder of any Circcash?
Yes, I'm miner and holder.

Do you even know anything about reversible computation?
I've read the whitepaper, but I'm not technical specialist.

What kind of progress are you looking for?
Well, at least it:
- Official pool
- Official website (not that wordpress shit)
- Marketing and attracting community attention
- Official explorer (you promised to make it 3.5 months ago)

What did you do for the development of your own project for these 3.5 months, except that you write nonsense in Telegram that Bitcoin is shit, the dollar is shit and so on.
What did you do ?

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Official pool-Ok. An official mining pool is not necessary and does not do much good. An official mining pool is a point of centralization. Right now, there is the RPlant mining pool which holds a majority of the Circcash hash power. Furthermore, the purpose of a mining pool is to reduce the variance in one's mining reward when the mining reward is very high and blocks are found very seldomly. Mining pools are kind of like an insurance for when you mine but by chance do not receive a block. Since the current block reward of 8.75 CIRCs is worth $0.07 (USD), it does not make much sense to have this sort of insurance for not receiving a few block rewards. Mining in pools also presents a risk. For example, on 3/2/2021, the RPlant mining pool was pretty much all day and Circcash went for hours without producing any new blocks. Instead of having a second mining pool, it is better for Circcash users to mine solo. Official website (not that wordpress shit)-I appreciate the suggestion for something better. Marketing and attracting community attention-I am planning to spend much of the development fund as a reward for Circcash users. For example (the rules and details still need to be fleshed out), if a user sets up a Circcash node, verifies his identity, and then signs a message in favor of Circcash using the Circcash wallet, then I will give a 100 CIRC reward for being a valued Circcash user. Official Roadmap-https://github.com/jvanname/circcash/wiki/Goals-and-roadmap In the most recent update to the roadmap, I mentioned plans on adding another layer on the Circcash protocol that will be in charge of voting so that Circcash does not have to split in two every time there is a need for an upgrade (hard fork). This voting layer will not disturb the underlying Circcash protocol until the community votes for a hard fork, so we do not need to implement a hard fork to add this layer. Furthermore, voting for a hard fork will only be possible once a majority of users have upgraded their nodes. Official explorer-This would be nice, but there is already a block explorer. I have spent most of my time researching multigenic Laver tables which may be used for cryptography (I am the only person in the world who has researched this), so I have not given Circcash as much attention as I could have. You can find some code for this research on my Github page. In any case, most of these features will cost money, and with Circcash at a price of 14 sats, I would rather just wait until the price of Circcash becomes more reasonable (I am waiting for more people to come to their senses) before I spend many CIRCs on advertising. In fact, if I spend the entire development fund of 292,993.39 CIRCs, then I would only spend$2,382 (actually less than that since selling coins depresses the price), and I am unwilling to spend any CIRCs at this low rate.
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So for a price of 14 sats/CIRC, core development of Circcash is not paid enough to do much of anything. If you want better services, then please pay more than 14 sats per CIRC.
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As a summary: everybody (included dev) wants milk before the cow, but nobody (included dev) dont want to pay for cow.

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Fortunately cryptocurrencies are mostly self-sustaining, and many of the services (such as exchanges, mining pools, and block explorers) can be outsourced to entities who are good at making exchanges, mining pools, and block explorers. And right now, we really do not need any Circcash mining pools at all. Right now the main thing is for me to get Circcash listed on coinmarketcap.com or coingecko.com and to advertise Circcash.
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Before advertise, i strongly advice to make some preparations for the better impact - make nice website, at least.

Either way, steam just go up in the air.

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A basic website just means that the price of Circcash is still low and that Circcash is a buyer's market. This is what you want. You want to buy low and sell high. You do not want to buy high and sell low.
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I would like to see circcash take off and that's not only because I'm holding some, but it seems like it could be a good thing.

Quite honestly, a lot of the whitepaper is over my head.  I'm not the only one.

I understand some of the feelings you have as reasons for doing things a certain way, but I think you might be missing another the other side of things.

You've said... "So for a price of 14 sats/CIRC, core development of Circcash is not paid enough to do much of anything. If you want better services, then please pay more than 14 sats per CIRC."

Saying that that comes off like either entitlement or you want to be paid before doing the work.  It seems like you are more like the latter and I don't think you feel entitled.  I just mentioned that because I can see your statement(s) being taken that way.  You may not actually feel either of those, but it does come across that way.

Either perception is a problem though.

You can get aggressive to those who mention that to you, but that isn't going to help.  It's only going to increase those feelings and alienate people.

If you want people to pay more than 14 sats for CIRC, then make it worth more than 14 sats to them.  I realize your goals are different from someone who may be mining it or buying/selling it.  We all have our own reasons and there is no right or wrong to that.  It just IS.

You can say how mining pools aren't needed and we shouldn't be mining that way.  You could be right, but don't try to make them feel bad because they asked the question or like to mine that way.

Pools, explorers and exchanges make coins worth more in the eyes of people who will mine it, buy/sell it, or hodl it.  You can tell me I shouldn't be using a pool, but that is the way I'm going to mine it.  I have a decent amount of CPU's that I mine on and I am absolutely not going to wallet mine on each one of them.  That would be a huge waste of my time.

Again, I realize I may not be the type of person you are aiming for, but myself and people like me are pretty much what you have at the moment.

How can you hope to attract lots and lots of people to mine this if they don't know about it or see many others taking an interest in it?

You say you want to get CIRC on coinmarketcap and such, but you aren't going to get there by being listed on one exchange that isn't tracked.

It would probably be beneficial if you could get word out about your project. I know you don't want to advertise without it being worth much yet, but how is it going to be worth much if no one knows about it?

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Thanks for the comments. As for the mining pools, I encourage people to mine solo since there is a security risk when everyone joins the same mining pool. For example, the RPlant mining pool was down for Circcash all day on March 2, 2020 and very few blocks were mined during this period. This blunder was probably a major factor in the decrease in the price of Circcash from 30 sats to 11 sats or so A second mining pool will alleviate some of these insecurities, but I still think it is best to mine solo. Of course, the only thing I can do is state my opinion about mining pools; I cannot pressure anyone into mining solo.

Exchanges also pose a security risk since they are often hacked, so I am not willing to endorse any exchange nor will I put any effort to get Circcash on different exchanges. I do not want to be responsible for Circcash being listed on an exchange if that exchange gets hacked, so I will not endorse any exchange. Exchanges also produce a different problem. If few people are buying or selling Circcash, then it will be unnecessarily difficult to buy or sell Circcash if it is on multiple exchanges especially if CIRCs are traded not just for BTC but also for all sorts of coins. This is not what we want. In order for it to make sense to have Circcash on several exchanges, the price of Circcash must increase first.

"How can you hope to attract lots and lots of people to mine this if they don't know about it or see many others taking an interest in it?"-The goal in purchasing a novel cryptocurrency is not to buy the most popular coin or the most hyped coin out there. The goal is to buy low and sell high. More specifically, the goal is to maximize the ratio "Price of the coin later"/"Price of the coin now". Circcash satisfies this goal since the price is currently extremely low, but Circcash is the best way of solving the most important scientific problem. All the issues that people seem to have with Circcash are a function of its low price; instead of taking an issue with Circcash having a low price, it is better to buy low and then sell high.
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I can understand what you are saying.

A second pool would absolutely be helpful, as would a second exchange.  You don't want a single point of failure in either situation.

Exchanges absolutely do get hacked, but that shouldn't be your concern.  You have to get past the first few growing pains if you want this thing to take off. A successful coin will need to be accepted by a larger audience, otherwise it's going to be relegated to the bin of thousands of other dead/almost dead coins. People aren't going to do the right thing... just to do the right thing.  Help this coin get more acceptance... the people don't necessarily need to know they are doing the right thing... it will just be a byproduct of participating in the project.  Does that make sense?
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In any case, since reversible computation is the computation of the future and since Circcash is currently the only way to invest in reversible computation right now, it is a very good idea to invest in Circcash.

"People aren't going to do the right thing... just to do the right thing.  Help this coin get more acceptance... the people don't necessarily need to know they are doing the right thing... it will just be a byproduct of participating in the project.  Does that make sense?"-You are absolutely wrong. There are plenty of benefits for doing the right thing. For example, if a person named Bob transacts in a coin with a mining algorithm that was never designed to advance science for absolutely no reason at all, then I will be suspicious of Bob. Why does Bob not care about scientific advancement? Does Bob have a low level of intelligence? Does Bob not care at all about scientific advancement because he is a bad person? In any case, I do not want to do business with Bob since I do not trust Bob. Everyone has done many business transactions that left them with bad tastes in their mouths, and in order to avoid these scenarios, I will try not to do business with dysfunctional currencies. And if Circcash does not get accepted, then I will forever be incredibly distrustful of everyone (as I should be and as you should be as well).
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I still feel like you are focusing on the wrong thing, but hey... it's your coin, you are the boss.

I can only state things from my point of view, I'm not anyone else.

For me, I'm 50/50 with CIRC. As I mine it, I sell half and stash half.  If I can't recoup the cost of mining it, I'm going to move on to another coin that will.  I That's where I'm at.  I would imagine I'm not the only one.  I really do not care what algorithm I'm mining, I just thought CIRC sounded interesting... but again, if I can't at least cover the cost of electricity, I'm going to find a different coin that will.

I wish you well with CIRC and I do think your algorithm is something to keep an eye on.  I'm just not tied to it.  If that makes you not trust me, then so be it.  I don't think it's a bad thing for me to be able to cover the cost of the electricity for mining a coin.

It's not that I have a low level of intelligence, or don't care about scientific advancement or any of that.  I just don't feel like it makes me a bad person to cover the electricity I use mining a coin. After all, I am using equipment that I bought, maintain and spend time tweaking... It's my hard earned cash, equipment and time I'm spending. It doesn't make me bad person to cover some of that cost.  It certainly does NOT cover all the cost.

Again, I will mention how you said "So for a price of 14 sats/CIRC, core development of Circcash is not paid enough to do much of anything. If you want better services, then please pay more than 14 sats per CIRC."

You don't want to spend any money on your own coin.  Why should I spend MY money on YOUR coin?  You can say it's the right thing to do since it will advance science, the other coin algorithms do not.  I say so what... I'm not going to spend my time and money on something if I can't at least partially cover the cost to mining it.
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Stashing half and selling half is a reasonable strategy. I see nothing wrong with that. I actually consider it to be quite wise (since it encourages a diversified portfolio and is often necessary to pay bills), and selling coins is necessary in a cryptocurrency ecosystem.

Whether one uses Circcash or whatever cryptocurrency or not is only one factor that I take into consideration in determining whether I should trust someone. There are plenty of other factors that one should take into consideration when determining someone's trustworthiness. However, in a business transaction, one's currency is one of the most prominent and recognizable factors in determining trustworthiness.

"You don't want to spend any money on your own coin."-Well, I am surely spending much time and resources on cryptographic research which is kind of important for cryptocurrency technologies. This is the same kind of cryptographic research that gave you Circcash in the first place.
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As a summary: everybody (included dev) wants milk before the cow, but nobody (included dev) dont want to pay for cow.

I saw a lot of questions that you gave above but didn't get a response from this thread, you should join the telegram group for this project to get answers, maybe the team is very busy to make a new innovation.

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I m joined tg group long time ago, but it never be much info about project and how it s going - so i m pretty sure, things dont changed much now.  In official tg group you need to pay monthly fee just to being there, so i got banned recently

Say the truth, i m personally think about circ as dead project; hope i m wrong, because i m hold some coins.

"Buy the low, sell the high?", right? You didnt think about that price can be low all time, mm?

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If you think that solving the most important problem is a dead project, then please do not communicate with me ever again. Please go away. You have nothing to contribute to anything because you are an extremely bitter person. I feel bad that you lack the intellectual fortitude to understand Circcash in the first place. How pathetic! And when you leave, please sell me your CIRCs if you really have any (you have not signed your statements with your wallet, so I do not know if you own any CIRCs) because you clearly do not understand what Circcash is all about. If anything is dead, it is all the other cryptocurrencies including Bitcoin, Dogecoin, and all pre-mined ICO coins which attract anti-intellectual blowhards and scam artists.

P.S. I have rescinded the monthly fee.
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If any of you want to communicate with me, please SIGN all your statements with your Circcash wallets so that I have an idea of who you are and how many CIRCs you own.
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hahahaha, i think it s all clear now for all about circcash bright future

yeah, i m not contribute, but irony of that - you will not conribute either

so i m prefer drink my bitter lemon as bitter person and stay with useless projects like
"Bitcoin, Dogecoin, and all pre-mined ICO coins which attract anti-intellectual blowhards and scam artists"

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If you won't sign your messages, I must assume that you are just a hater who wants the world to be a worse place and who owns no Circcash. Please SIGN your messages. Have fun wasting resources because you have absolutely no appreciation for science. You are a terrible evil person.

P.S. You have absolutely terrible grammar because you lack intelligence. Please work on that first.
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Only an absolute sicko would prefer Bitcoin and would prefer to watch the world burn over Circcash. At least Circcash is once and for all proving how uneducated nearly all Bitcoiners are.
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Hello.
Thinking out loud.
I like your project, because it is an innovation, a new mining algo, and it solves the scientific problem of reversible computation.
But, like any PoW algorithm, CIRC network is not protected from 51% attack.

There is another project that I like is Veriblock.
It is also an innovative and its main task - altcoins protection from the attack 51% with PoP (Proof-of-Proof) algo.

I am not a big technical specialist to speak about technical details, but as far as I understood, the implementation of PoP algo will require a change in consensus, the main core, explorers, pools, exchanges.
You are at a very early stage of project development, so it will make it easier than if you had a lot of pools, exchangrs, and so on.
Veriblock is solid project with a serious development team. And I think your project could interest them.
Maybe you will try to make contact with them?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3133450.0.
https://www.veriblock.org/
What do you think ?
In addition, it would give CIRC not only the protection against attack 51%, but also added the popularity to your project.
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That looks like an interesting paper. I am a big fan of posting Merkle roots of pretty much everything on proof-of-work blockchains, and the hashes of the Circcash blockchain need to be posted on other blockchains while the hashes of other blockchains need to be posted on the Circcash blockchain. I will have to look into that paper in more detail. In the meantime, Circcash allows for one to post checkpoints that can combat some long range attacks, but I have not added any checkpoints into the code yet.
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So, it seems like the RPlant mining pool may want to remove Circcash soon. THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO MINE SOLO. PLEASE DO NOT USE A MINING POOL! THERE IS NO POINT IN DOING THIS!
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Hmm, why Rplant want to remove circ from his pool (which is only one pool for this coin)?

Maybe it s because for around 1 year coin dont advance in development at all? (even not have own official pool)

Or it s deal of freemasonry reptiloids, who is fight against eco-friendly crypto, because it s threat to replace btc / eth / and others pow-coins, hungry to electricity and resources of our mother Earth!

Who knows...

p. s.: why you delete official telegram group, btw?

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Jardine. Please come back to me once you have understood the Circcash whitepaper. You clearly have absolutely no understanding of anything because you are an absolutely terrible person.
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There are certainly way too many people here who hate science and hate any cryptocurrency that supports scientific advancement. Seriously. You all look just as bad as the FLAT EARTHERS! You have absolutely no place in modern society. To back to the Stone Ages!
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I have taken a look at VeriBlock, and the idea behind it seems to be very interesting. I am a big fan of submitting timestamps (Merkle roots) to proof-of-work blockchains in order to prove that the data that is being timestamped has not been tampered with after a certain point of time. These timestamps on blockchains should be a standard practice whenever security is important (for example, the data collected at a nuclear powerplant must be timestamped in order to prevent a cover up after a meltdown like there was at Chernobyl; the data collected at the Wuhan Institute of Virology also needed to be timestamped since this affects me).

But I do have some criticisms about VeriBlock including the following:

1. The cost of submitting a proof-of-proof should be nearly trivial if one does this properly. Therefore, since the cost should be trivial, there should not be a need to submit proofs of proofs. Therefore, VeriBlock has a possibly unnecessarily complicated protocol to reward people for doing something that can be done for free.

2. I like how VeriBlock is resistant to some hard forks, but VeriBlock is certainly not resistant to all hard forks. For this reason, I would not recommend to permanently use VeriBlock at the protocol level. VeriBlock is also not resistant to failures to the security providing blockchain.

3. I don't think I have seen any mention about VeriBlock being used to list new blockchains as security providing blockchains. To maximize security, as many blockchains as possible should be listed as security providing blockchains. Of course, this may be difficult to do at the protocol level.

4. If a coin that uses a protocol similar to VeriBlock has a very low hash rate, then people will not want to submit proof-of-proofs since that will cost resources and require one to transact in both the security providing and security inheriting blockchains.

5. The proof of proofs can be used to prove that a blockchain existed before a certain period in time, but can proof of proofs also prove that a blockchain was publicly available before that period in time (if may be hard to forge a blockchain this way because a forger may not have access to very many private keys and coins at the time of the split, but a forger can bribe users for their old keys, so this is a problem)?

In any case, implementing the features of the VeriBlock protocol to any cryptocurrency that does not already have the VeriBlock protocol requires a hard fork, and that is not acceptable at the moment. Here is what can and should happen instead.

i. Checkpoints should be posted on the Circcash source code. I have not done this yet, but it should not be too difficult.

ii. The Circcash protocol should make the nodes occasionally submit proof-of-proofs of Circcash to various blockchains. This does not require a fork, so there should not be an issue here. However, this does require quite a bit of extension to the Circcash source code (and probably a bit of computer science research as well).

iii. The Circcash protocol should warn users if they are on an unverified chain (a chain without a proof-of-proof) or on a chain that has not been verified in a while or whether there are gaps in the proof-of-proofs. Users may therefore choose whether to accept the unverified chain or choose a chain which has been verified.

Let me know if I got anything wrong about the VeriBlock protocol and about posting proofs of proof.
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The people at the Circcash Discord Server have nothing but hate for Circcash because they are evil and stupid!
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In case people have questions about the cryptographic security of Circcash's mining algorithm Hashspin, there is something I can do to prove that Hashspin is probably a secure mining algorithm (or at least secure enough; Hashspin only needs 16 bits of security anyways). It is probably not to difficult to me to show that the round functions for Hashspin generate the alternating group.  Let me explain. One of the first things that people learn about permutations is that there are two different kinds of permutations, namely even permutations and odd permutations. Half of all permutations are even while the other half are odd permutations. In cryptography, almost all round functions are even permutations because odd permutations do not add much security while they make the cryptosystems very inefficient.  The group consisting of all even permutations is known as the alternating group, and the group generated by the odd permutations is known as the symmetric group. For a cryptosystem, the round functions need to generate the alternating group or else they do not provide much security. However, if one can prove that the round functions do in fact generate the alternating group, then such a proof is good evidence that the cryptosystem has at least some cryptographic security.

I probably should have done this well before Circcash was ever launched, but back then I did not have much of an idea about how to prove that the round functions generate the alternating group, but now I know I have read up on group theory enough to conclude that proving this should be easy. In fact, I can probably write code that takes the round functions for an arbitrary block cipher as input and returns whether these round functions generate the alternating group or the symmetric group as long as the block cipher has a small block size. Of course, since Circcash has such a low market cap (which is quite disheartening and which also shows the complete lack of positive attributes of the cryptocurrency community; Circcash solves the most important scientific problem and people don't realize this because they are foolish), I am not willing to embark on this research right now.
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So this theorem can probably be used to very easily show that Hashspin's round functions generate the alternating group.

Theorem: Let G be a transitive permutation group on a finite set X with |X|>7. If there is an element g in G that contains its cycle representation a cycle of prime length p with |X|/2<p<|X|-2, then G is the alternating group or the symmetric group.
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I am looking for text testimonials from Circcash users. These testimonials will be posted on the Circcash website.

2. Please include your first and last name and where you are from in your testimonial. Also include the date that the testimonial was produced.

3. Your testimonial must be grammatically correct.

4. If you are a part of the Circcash Discord Server that pretty much has nothing good to say about me, then your testimonial probably will not be used, so you should probably keep it to yourself.

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It is math time again. Let $n$ be a large natural number. Let us now calculate the probability that a randomly selected permutation g in S_n has a cycle of prime length p with
n/2<p<n-2.

Fact: The expected number of cycles of length k in g is 1/k. In particular, if k>n/2, then the probability that there is a cycle in g of length k is 1/k.

From this fact, we obtain the code that returns the probability that there is a cycle in g of length 1/k.

test:=function(x) local i,c; c:=0; for i in [1..x] do if i<=x/2 then continue; fi; if i>x-2 then continue; fi; if IsPrime(i) then c:=c+1/i; fi; od; return Float(c); end;

We observe that test(n) is approximately 1/n, and we can easily prove this.

Fact: The probability that a randomly selected number x is prime is approximately 1/ln(x).

Therefore, the probability that there is some cycle of prime length p with n/2<p<n-2 is approximately

\sum_{x=n/2}^{n}(1/x)*(1/ln(x))=\sum_{x=n/2}^{n}(2/n)*(n/x)*(1/ln(x)).

This sum can be turned into an integral. Our probability is therefore approximately

int_{1/2}^{t}dt/(t*(n+t))=(1/(ln(n)))*ln((2\ln(n)+1)/(\ln(n)+1))

which is approximately 1/ln(n).

In the case of Hashspin, we have n=2^32, so the probability that a cycle is of prime length is approximately 1/32.
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Ok. So I have just ran the calculations. I have shown that the two LFSR based round permutations for Circcash's mining algorithm Hashspin do in fact generate the alternating group on 2^32 elements. The proof was routine for mathematicians. In the meantime, Circcash is now very inexpensive which means that it is a very good deal. Please do not respond to me with hatred just because you hate mathematics. That is very bad.

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People are not investing in Circcash for one reason! THEY HATE SCIENCE! THEY HATE MATHEMATICS!
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People are not investing in Circcash for one reason! THEY HATE SCIENCE! THEY HATE MATHEMATICS!
No.
This exchange Bitsails.com does not cause confidence.
And we need more pools.

Have you contacted other pools/exchanges to list Circcash?
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I have personally used Bitsails. No. Bitsails is not perfect, and it has its quirks, but it gets the job of trading done (as long as people don't store their money on the exchange and only use the exchange for trading; exchanges do not replace wallets). ​No Circcash user has come to me with a legitimate complaint against the Bitsails exchange. ​I do not think that splitting the trading volume of Circcash over several exchanges will make any of the traders happy.

I have contacted some mining pools, but I am not very motivated to contact more pools when the Circcash hash rate is 13,000 h/s. Pools would be much less likely to respond if the hash rate for Circcash is low.

I have instead been using most of my time to let as many people know that Circcash exists. Unfortunately, most people are worthless anti-intellectuals (they are quite hateful too) who would rather waste as much energy as possible than learn something new (you can see this by looking at how many people love buying into scams).

A low hash rate is good for potential buyers and miners, but it is not so good for exchanges and mining pools.
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 September 04, 2021, 02:41:19 PM

The Circcash Discord Server is a hate group. What a shame! How sad! People are making a much stronger effort hating Circcash because they hate science. They are worthless anti-intellectuals!!!
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 September 21, 2021, 03:25:52 AM

Here is a link to the new Circcash Telegram chat group. I deleted the old group since nobody was posting there and because I did not have very many nice things to say (and I still don't have very many nice things to say to people).

https://t.me/circcashchat
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