Loan Default - asu u=519783

[finaleshot2016]

@Timelord2067

I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too.

Looks like  has changed their mind about distrusting asu:



Did you see this post or this other post?

Another issue? I distrusted him last night, I don't know why he's not on my distrust list right now. It's just a couple of minutes.
I already updated my list again.

[arbiter5]

@Timelord2067

I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too.

Looks like  has changed their mind about distrusting asu:



Did you see this post or this other post?

I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet but this is some juicy stuff. Looks like bitcointalk has far more account farmers than we initially thought.

[Coin_trader]

@Timelord2067

I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too.

Looks like  has changed their mind about distrusting asu:



Did you see this post or this other post?

I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet but this is some juicy stuff. Looks like bitcointalk has far more account farmers than we initially thought.

I won't consider it as account farming at all since they are just trusting each other. In every local board, It's normal that a group of people will form brotherhood especially if they always interact and do transactions to each other many times. I don't personally know them but I know that there Filipino Crypto Group in Facebook that focus on Bitcointalk topic. So I believe they usually chat there about Bitcointalk stuff. Let's not flood this thread with other issue.

@Direwolf, are you already in touch to someone that made transaction to Asu in our local board?

[Timelord2067]

Beware of finaleshot2016 people - they're engaging in Default Trust abuse:



Same goes for cabalism13's DT Trust abuse:

[nutildah]

Beware of finaleshot2016 people - they're engaging in Default Trust abuse:



Same goes for cabalism13's DT Trust abuse:

"How is that trust abuse?" he asked, fully believing he would get some sort of reasonable reply. The thread banter was amounting to off-topicness, but surely an answer to his question was not unwarranted.

Timelord had a habit of hurling accusations at various members of the forum who had very little - if anything - to do with subject of the topic he was responding in. Nutildah wasn't sure what compelled Timelord to do this, but he'd seen a lot of odd behavior over the years, so nothing was too surprising anymore.

[Timelord2067]

I'll just park this here for people to get context of what finaleshot2016 is doing:

Interestingly enough finaleshot2016 does not come here to this scam accusation to answer questions concerning their apparent merit & Default trust abuse with theyoungmillionaire, instead removes their trust of theyoungmillionaire (but being DT1 does not go so far as to distrust theyoungmillionaire as that would push him to DT2 (-11) )

Via https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

As you can see both the last time as with this time finaleshot2016 simply removed their DT trust of theyoungmillionaire but did not go that step further to distrust them and again this time, finaleshot2016 first distrusted then got cold feet and removed that distrust of asu as quickly as they placed it.  Questions definitely need to be answered.

Same goes with cabalism13.

[nutildah]

Great, this is wholly off-topic. Start your own thread about it.

Edit: we already had this exact same thing happen already except replace asu with TheYoungMillionaire. Here's a place for Timelord to carry out his investigation:

Timelord2067's Investigation (TYM's Scandal)

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Thanks to everyone for the help and support.

Sorry for the loss brother.

@Timelord2067

I did see the BPIP DT changes & asu’s ~ fest. I had to drag my balls in there & ~ him too.

Looks like  has changed their mind about distrusting asu:



Did you see this post or this other post?

Wow, you could be bang on the money there.

[cabalism13]

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nobody cares, just stfu.
your opinion doesn't count here.
your off topic replies doesn't belong here especially if you can't even help DireWolfM14. we're done with trust-nega-things, move on will yah?
DireWolfM14, if you have been sent a message by crwth, I think that nme rings a bell to me. I have searched and killed my time on it yesterday and I found out that he only uses Messenger and not Facebook, while he was also using that back then...

[cryptoaddictchie]

The reputation of the Philippine community is slowly but surely sinking huh?

Seems like it. I'm not sure what happened but it's clearly another huge blow to direwolf sorry buddy. Last time is also a bit big funds werent able to return from one of the locals also of Pilipinas Board.

I do hope the funds can still be returned. I dont know him. But it did mentioned here that it could somehow related to typhoon devastation but, this isn't an excuse. Lack of communication can indicate a probable scam exit.  But who knows what exactly happened, but still I do hope asu can go back and fixed this. His one of the highest reputable member of Pilipinas Board. This is just sad event.

[arwin100]

The reputation of the Philippine community is slowly but surely sinking huh?

Seems like it. I'm not sure what happened but it's clearly another huge blow to direwolf sorry buddy. Last time is also a bit big funds werent able to return from one of the locals also of Pilipinas Board.

I do hope the funds can still be returned. I dont know him. But it did mentioned here that it could somehow related to typhoon devastation but, this isn't an excuse. Lack of communication can indicate a probable scam exit.  But who knows what exactly happened, but still I do hope asu can go back and fixed this. His one of the highest reputable member of Pilipinas Board. This is just sad event.

Its not right to blame all for the sin of 1 person and I don't think the reputation of PH board is sinking since there are still users who honestly doing some business/activities here.

Maybe it's a lesson learned from the lenders to do a background check if the borrower is capable to pay the huge amount ask since reputation is not totally guarantee if we talk about huge amount since everyone can flip and do a exit scam.

[mdayonliner]

I was not aware of how the flag system works and now I have a decent idea. Flag supported.

There are still four positive feedback on DT view on the profile from Russlenat, GreatArkansas, inthelongrun and dozerz. These users should revise their feedback after the incident. Obviously a loan scammer does not deserve to have any positive feedback from DT.

[Timelord2067]

There are still four positive feedback on DT view on the profile from Russlenat, GreatArkansas, inthelongrun and dozerz. These users should revise their feedback after the incident. Obviously a loan scammer does not deserve to have any positive feedback from DT.

inthelongrun hasn't been online in the last nearly three months while the other three have been last online within the last few days:

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2020-09-15, 22:05:20 Last Active: 	inthelongrun	DT2

2020-11-29, 21:23:13 Last Active: 	Russlenat	DT2
Last Active: 	Today at 09:34:05	GreatArkansas	DT1
Last Active: 	Today at 19:10:53	dozerz		DT2

Make of this what you will:

Two of the three DT1 who trust inthelongrun are none other than asu and finaleshot2016

Trust list for: Russlenat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (338 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h)
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Russlenat Trusts these users' judgement:

2. yahoo62278 (Trust: +24 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (25) 1558 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

4. asu (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 634 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

7. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 818 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

One of three DT1 users who trust GreatArkansas just happens to be cabalism13

Trust list for: GreatArkansas (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1002 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h)
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GreatArkansas's judgement is Trusted by:

2. Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (4) 685 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

4. CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1611 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

9. Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (881 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. cabalism13 (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1053 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

inthelongrun only vote into DT2 also happens to be cabalism13

Trust list for: inthelongrun (Trust: neutral) (131 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h)
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inthelongrun Trusts these users' judgement:
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inthelongrun Distrusts these users' judgement:
-

inthelongrun's judgement is Trusted by:
1. robelneo (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. cabalism13 (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1053 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. bisdak40 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (323 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~inthelongrun's judgement is Distrusted by:
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Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

while dozerz 's DT1 voters seem completely unrelated:

Trust list for: dozerz (Trust: +35 / =1 / -0) (12 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h)
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15. BitcoinPenny (Trust: +47 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 747 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

23. Corrosive (Trust: +21 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1061 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

All these users from the same sub-section closing ranks, yet none saw any signs that this was going to happen? - twice? IDTS

The reputation of the Philippine community is slowly but surely sinking huh?

Seems like it.

I'll leave the last word to cabalism13 whose DT1 vote is giving two user's ( inthelongrun and GreatArkansas ) positive DT2 trust feedback towards asu:

nobody cares, just stfu.

Indeed...

[nutildah]

None of this proves anything, nor is it the least bit relevant to this situation. How does this help DireWolf in the slightest? You're just insisting that ordinary connections have an insidious implication, which they do not. Is it possible that these users are simply connected through their association in the Pilipinas board? Until you come up with actual evidence that indicates otherwise, this is obviously the most likely the reason they are connected.

[Timelord2067]

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In your haste to skim over the obvious in my post, you missed reading this, so I'll just drop this here for your benefit:

All these users from the same sub-section closing ranks, yet none saw any signs that this was going to happen? - twice? IDTS

[nutildah]

All these users from the same sub-section closing ranks, yet none saw any signs that this was going to happen? - twice? IDTS

What does one thing have to do with the other? You're now blaming an entire subsection for... what? Not stopping all their potential loan scammers? There are scammers from just about everywhere around the world. And again, your weird judgments bring nothing of value to the table.

[marlboroza]

They scammed me in several occasions. These people takes advantage of your kind heart, good intention. [...]

The most harm was done by so called reputed members on the forum. They slowly build up a good reputation and wait for the right time to scam you. Sad.

That is pretty much what scammers do for a living, sweet talk and all that crap and next moment you know it, they steal your money. You need to learn not to trust people just because they are nice on internet.

this is only for 0.3 BTC then this very sad.

I wouldn't call that "only 0.3BTC", if you do that in my country you could get 3 years imprisonment.

How does this help DireWolf in the slightest?

I doesn't. Unless Timey doesn't have some better proofs, I would suggest him not to post anything, he is confusing everyone.
Flag supported, tagged...

[hilariousetc]

It’s obviously an exit scam, all his previous loans detailed above are for a much smaller sum.
0.3BTC is obviously what he thinks his account is worth to exit. I dunno what Legendary accounts sell for but I presume less than 0.3BTC.

Sorry for your loss OP, genuinely.

I don't know what you define as an exit scam but if that was his intention from the start he probably wouldn't have paid the other loans back or made some repayments on this one. As for the account, I don't really know how much they go for these days but I'd assume a decent Legendary with a bit of trading history and feedback could get upwards of $1000. Taking out loans is probably easier and safer than selling your account though.

Is it just me thinking that if you take more than a couple of loans there is probably something wrong with you? What were the reasons given for all those loans?

Some people just do them because it makes their life a bit easier in the real world, and some people probably take them because they're a gambling addict, but I reckon most of the loans taken here aren't needed at all and people just do them to easily build up feedback by taking them out and repaying them straight away. Some people will do it for legitimate reasons (if you can call it that) because they want to appear more trustworthy and others will do it for the long con. Taking out small loans to gain trust is probably the easiest way to scam someone as you build up trust with the person bit by bit, slowly but surely and they're lulled into a false sense of security. I don't know whether that happened here or not but as I said before lending money, especially in bitcoin, is a very risky business and if they run into issues in the real world or the price rises as it has done it will become next to impossible to pay it back and the only ramifications for disappearing are a ruined account.

[Timelord2067]

This was probably a long con by asu as this evidence hints at:

Week 18 asu adds just one name - theymos to their trust list, then in their week 20 DT trust additions asu adds twenty more UID's:

Trust list for: asu (Trust: 1: -0 / +2) (159 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h)
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asu Trusts:
1. theymos (Trust: 212: -0 / +22) (DT1! (50) 4738 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 2. Dabs (Trust: 411: -0 / +42) (DT1! (3) 143 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 3. TMAN (Trust: 241: -0 / +27) (DT1! (25) 1027 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 4. Lauda (Trust: 314: -0 / +33) (DT1! (26) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 5. suchmoon (Trust: 76: -0 / +11) (DT1! (44) 2278 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 6. yahoo62278 (Trust: 128: -0 / +14) (DT1! (15) 523 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 7. LoyceV (Trust: 125: -0 / +16) (DT1! (48) 2961 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 8. The Pharmacist (Trust: 193: -0 / +22) (DT1! (35) 1957 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 9. DarkStar_ (Trust: 256: -0 / +30) (DT1! (29) 784 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 10. Mr. Big (Trust: 40: -0 / +4) (130 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 11. bL4nkcode (Trust: 64: -0 / +8) (DT1! (4) 165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 12. Lafu (Trust: 52: -0 / +6) (DT1! (16) 555 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 13. Hhampuz (Trust: 395: -0 / +53) (DT1! (38) 1080 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 14. finaleshot2016 (Trust: neutral) (198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 15. xtraelv (Trust: 25: -0 / +3) (DT1! (21) 1054 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 16. crwth (Trust: 11: -0 / +2) (227 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 17. Silent26 (Trust: 9: -0 / +1) (219 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 18. theyoungmillionaire (Trust: 20: -0 / +4) (DT1! (6) 786 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 19. DdmrDdmr (Trust: 8: -0 / +2) (DT1! (15) 2198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 20. DireWolfM14 (Trust: 24: -0 / +5) (574 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 21. 1miau (Trust: 9: -0 / +1) (DT1! (12) 977 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

asu Distrusts:
-

asu is Trusted by:
-

~asu is Distrusted by:
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Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

When we rearrange the users by type:

Lenders:

NEW 20. DireWolfM14 (Trust: 24: -0 / +5) (574 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

NEW 9. DarkStar_ (Trust: 256: -0 / +30) (DT1! (29) 784 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Campaign Managers:

NEW 6. yahoo62278 (Trust: 128: -0 / +14) (DT1! (15) 523 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 9. DarkStar_ (Trust: 256: -0 / +30) (DT1! (29) 784 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 13. Hhampuz (Trust: 395: -0 / +53) (DT1! (38) 1080 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Philipine Section:

NEW 10. Mr. Big (Trust: 40: -0 / +4) (130 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 14. finaleshot2016 (Trust: neutral) (198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 16. crwth (Trust: 11: -0 / +2) (227 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 17. Silent26 (Trust: 9: -0 / +1) (219 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 18. theyoungmillionaire (Trust: 20: -0 / +4) (DT1! (6) 786 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Then the rest are a smattering of "the usual suspects" on DT1 that a person might randomly add - have I missed anyone in these lists?

At a guess, asu has been building trust with these lenders and campaign managers with micro, small, not so small and finally the long con game play loan.


Two weeks later, asu is trusted by three users:

Trust list for: asu (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (238 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-06-15_Sat_13.30h)
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asu is Trusted by:
1. finaleshot2016 (Trust: neutral) (276 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. spadormie (Trust: awaiting update) (12 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. GreatArkansas (Trust: neutral) (227 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

finaleshot2016 and GreatArkansas

[AB de Royse777]

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All these are just guesses. For sure, we really do not know what was in his mind and what plans he had all those days when he was active. Interesting findings by the way.

But I think I will be leaning to make the same conclusion as LFC_Bitcoin in here. The loan from DireWolfM14 was the biggest and rest of them were just very small amount and the highest I see was only 0.01 BTC from harizen. This was probably the long plan to build up a good reputation slowly and then when the time is right, go with a bigger one and exit.

I think as a community we really need to understand this that leaving out positive feedback for few sats is just encouraging users to build up fake reps and easily plan for a long con.

Wasn't he in Chipmixer campaign before joining best_change and other campaigns?