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December 06, 2020, 10:59:18 PM
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On reading the OP, I am reminded of The gamblers fallacy as something similar to this in a broader perspective.

The gambler thinks that they are going to win on the next game but that next game never happens to be a win. Possibility of a win is there mathematically but in reality it is just luck when you are playing against the odds that is an EV- game.

Hence I think every gambler should think logically which many of them cant do anymore and limit the amount of bankroll being spent.

Sometimes we believe what we think will happen since that's what we wish and aim for. I also sometimes believe that what we say and think will going to happen so whenever I watch game before I keep on telling and speaking the TEAM I bet with to win, but sometimes luck is not really on us that we lose. It will be on the matter of how we see our win or lose and controls ourselves over those winnings or losing we experienced.

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December 06, 2020, 11:29:00 PM
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On reading the OP, I am reminded of The gamblers fallacy as something similar to this in a broader perspective.

The gambler thinks that they are going to win on the next game but that next game never happens to be a win. Possibility of a win is there mathematically but in reality it is just luck when you are playing against the odds that is an EV- game.

Hence I think every gambler should think logically which many of them cant do anymore and limit the amount of bankroll being spent.

Sometimes we believe what we think will happen since that's what we wish and aim for. I also sometimes believe that what we say and think will going to happen so whenever I watch game before I keep on telling and speaking the TEAM I bet with to win, but sometimes luck is not really on us that we lose. It will be on the matter of how we see our win or lose and controls ourselves over those winnings or losing we experienced.

We need to make a calculated move because we calculate the risk in gambling, if we based only on our emotion, that is gambling without proper planning and we would not succeed in the long run. If we keep making this mistake from time to time without learning, then I'm afraid gambling is not for us.

It's only okay if you are doing pure entertainment but the fact that you are also aiming to win some, you need to change the way you see gambling.

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December 06, 2020, 11:39:04 PM
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It's always never funny when this happens. What's the trick about it, is it that, bookmarkers just knows and tends to push the game to the last in the series for an accumulated bet option or it's really bad luck, if there is such a thing as bad luck or other reasons. What really is the trick about this scenario.

No trick behind it. We are playing gambling here.

It's just that not all the time, luck will always on our side even how professionally analyzed those matches.

Accept the fact that it's not easy to win in sports betting especially in parlays. If things that easy, we shouldn't see a majority of losers here.

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December 07, 2020, 01:39:30 AM
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On reading the OP, I am reminded of The gamblers fallacy as something similar to this in a broader perspective.

The gambler thinks that they are going to win on the next game but that next game never happens to be a win. Possibility of a win is there mathematically but in reality it is just luck when you are playing against the odds that is an EV- game.

Hence I think every gambler should think logically which many of them cant do anymore and limit the amount of bankroll being spent.

Sometimes we believe what we think will happen since that's what we wish and aim for. I also sometimes believe that what we say and think will going to happen so whenever I watch game before I keep on telling and speaking the TEAM I bet with to win, but sometimes luck is not really on us that we lose. It will be on the matter of how we see our win or lose and controls ourselves over those winnings or losing we experienced.

Perhaps, you will see your team win in the next rounds, but not at that match. Luck will not always come to us, even if we keep thinking about what we want. But the luck will come again in the future at the right time, so you can expect to get your luck again.

Yes, controlling ourselves will be the important thing that we should have in gambling games. We can't hope that our mind will succeed to objectify what we think. It will depend on the luck factor that will help that thing to happen. If it's related to gambling games, we always want to see we can win, but it will not always happen.
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December 07, 2020, 06:19:14 AM
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On reading the OP, I am reminded of The gamblers fallacy as something similar to this in a broader perspective.

The gambler thinks that they are going to win on the next game but that next game never happens to be a win. Possibility of a win is there mathematically but in reality it is just luck when you are playing against the odds that is an EV- game.

Hence I think every gambler should think logically which many of them cant do anymore and limit the amount of bankroll being spent.

I do not think that it has anything to do with luck, the casinos just mask the word probability to deter doubts from casino players. You said it already, the possibility to win is mathematically which cancels out the involvement of luck, sure we consider it luck but have we ever consider the definition of luck or consider its existence. If gamblers think logically then luck is not their go to for reliance when playing.

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December 07, 2020, 06:21:41 AM
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On reading the OP, I am reminded of The gamblers fallacy as something similar to this in a broader perspective.

The gambler thinks that they are going to win on the next game but that next game never happens to be a win. Possibility of a win is there mathematically but in reality it is just luck when you are playing against the odds that is an EV- game.

Hence I think every gambler should think logically which many of them cant do anymore and limit the amount of bankroll being spent.

Sometimes we believe what we think will happen since that's what we wish and aim for. I also sometimes believe that what we say and think will going to happen so whenever I watch game before I keep on telling and speaking the TEAM I bet with to win, but sometimes luck is not really on us that we lose. It will be on the matter of how we see our win or lose and controls ourselves over those winnings or losing we experienced.

I also believe in the same thing and I apply it in my everyday living, but I think it's not applicable to gambling. Positive thoughts attracts positive energy, that's what they said, but it's only for good things I guess that we're wishing to have. Well, since gambling is a bad habit and a bad way of earning money as what the society says, makes it hard to apply that motto. There's just luck alone that exist in gambling, without it, you'll never make profits.

And forcing yourself to believe on the same thing all over again in gambling will just make you peril in the long term. We have to be mature in decision making in gambling in order to fight greediness to avoid losing so much money in gambling.
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December 07, 2020, 06:22:58 AM
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It's like that stupid (I call it stupid even though I used it lmao) strategies of examinees in a multiple-choice exam. If you had a question with no answer, and the past few answers were all C, the chances of it being C is less unlikely, according to your bs reasoning pulled up from who knows where.
For competitive exams though those who are doing that have no chance of clearing the lowest cutoffs. Cheesy

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It is indeed reasonable to correlate it to gambling, since most people new to gambling have that mindset. Unfortunately for them, the chances of winning DO NOT accumulate, they reset with each try, with each game, with each cycle.
Many gamblers actually think that a number of red rolls means the next has higher chance of going green. I tell them every roll is independent of the previous rolls but they dont seem be believe me. The math is correct and correlates with reality but they follow what they think is correct.  End result being huge losses.

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It isn't like pity in gacha games where after x amount of rolls, you get a guaranteed character.
The stock of balls in gacha is limited so if you keep on pounding that machine with coins eventually you will drain its stock so you get what you wanted. You would also spend a lot there, but its better in my opinion than plain gambling - at least in gachapons you get something to keep.

I do not think that it has anything to do with luck, the casinos just mask the word probability to deter doubts from casino players. You said it already, the possibility to win is mathematically which cancels out the involvement of luck, sure we consider it luck but have we ever consider the definition of luck or consider its existence. If gamblers think logically then luck is not their go to for reliance when playing.
If and only if gamblers would think logically, they would stop gambling altogether. I mean logically they are going to lose more than win - which diligent person would spend another second on such a place? Grin

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There's a saying by wanting more you lose a lot, it's hard to predict when you are going to lose gambling is base on luck, you never know what's going to happen in the next roll or bet, you just have to accept it as it is, no use crying over spilled milk, just don't be greedy and learn when to give up.
There's nothing tricky about this sincerely, the human wants that brought this upon man is the greed of a man. The fundamentals in gambling should be known for gamblers before venture into gambling, this will help gamblers understand the clear terms in mind before gambling. Gambling is not a place to get passive income like others think loud, gambling should be handle with fun and as entertainment, but, gamblers has chosen this as an avenue of earnings centers which is not right that make it tricky while we loss through greed.

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There's a saying by wanting more you lose a lot, it's hard to predict when you are going to lose gambling is base on luck, you never know what's going to happen in the next roll or bet, you just have to accept it as it is, no use crying over spilled milk, just don't be greedy and learn when to give up.
There's nothing tricky about this sincerely, the human wants that brought this upon man is the greed of a man. The fundamentals in gambling should be known for gamblers before venture into gamb
This must be addressed to those people that encouraging their friends or family to try and venture gambling because they are the one responsible for what will be the future in gambling of those they had push into this Habit.
before letting them Learn about gambling they must learn first what can be the outcome and how much dealing they had to invest and when to quit.

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Gambling is not a place to get passive income like others think loud, gambling should be handle with fun and as entertainment, but, gamblers has chosen this as an avenue of earnings centers which is not right that make it tricky while we loss through greed.
There are two type of gambler,

The one who wanted to enjoy and just release stress because of the Thrill gambling canbring.


The other is the Gambler who want's to increase His financial status in easy way but while doing this he only drops His chance of having what he wants.
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December 07, 2020, 07:49:48 AM
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There's a saying by wanting more you lose a lot, it's hard to predict when you are going to lose gambling is base on luck, you never know what's going to happen in the next roll or bet, you just have to accept it as it is, no use crying over spilled milk, just don't be greedy and learn when to give up.
There's nothing tricky about this sincerely, the human wants that brought this upon man is the greed of a man. The fundamentals in gambling should be known for gamblers before venture into gambling, this will help gamblers understand the clear terms in mind before gambling. Gambling is not a place to get passive income like others think loud, gambling should be handle with fun and as entertainment, but, gamblers has chosen this as an avenue of earnings centers which is not right that make it tricky while we loss through greed.

Yep, gambling is not a place to get passive income. There will be a time for us to have to lose in gambling. But if you know that when you win, that will be the time for you to stop gambling, you will not face near success conditions because you lose in the next rounds. It needs more control to say to yourself that I am must stop after this, no matter what the result is. But greediness can always tell us to continue playing gambling.

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December 07, 2020, 09:52:59 AM
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"In an accumulated bet, why is it often the last games that goes rugged and you end up loosing what's supposed to be a best bet and was already preparing for a cash out or the next step"

I don't think this is the case. It's just that it's more noticeable when it's the last bet.
Similar to how whenever you join a queue at a supermarket, it feels like it is always the slowest moving queue and people in the nearby queues are getting to the checkout much quicker... but actually what is happening is that you only notice it when you're in the slower queue... when you're in the faster queue, you never even think about it.






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December 07, 2020, 10:01:58 AM
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Yep, gambling is not a place to get passive income. There will be a time for us to have to lose in gambling. But if you know that when you win, that will be the time for you to stop gambling, you will not face near success conditions because you lose in the next rounds. It needs more control to say to yourself that I am must stop after this, no matter what the result is. But greediness can always tell us to continue playing gambling.
Indeed, there is no assurance in gambling, but sometimes we mistakenly treat gambling as our investment which should we not do, because we cannot stop our losses once we do all in, we cannot make some scalping nor arbitraging, we may feel that oh maybe because we're close to winning that's why we lose, for me, it is only natural for us to lose it is part of the life, if we win that's good our strategy is improving if we lose it's a lesson for us.

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does the syndrome really exist ? or you just came up with it upon your past experiences?
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does the syndrome really exist ? or you just came up with it upon your past experiences?
Probably just past experiences and more of just bad decisions I suppose that it tends to happen. More often than not if you have already have profits then let that one be in play not your capital. I think relying on what's suppose to be the best chance of winning isn't that nice remember even if that's the case the scenario will always be a 50/50.
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December 07, 2020, 11:23:08 AM
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"In an accumulated bet, why is it often the last games that goes rugged and you end up loosing what's supposed to be a best bet and was already preparing for a cash out or the next step"

I don't think this is the case. It's just that it's more noticeable when it's the last bet.
Similar to how whenever you join a queue at a supermarket, it feels like it is always the slowest moving queue and people in the nearby queues are getting to the checkout much quicker... but actually what is happening is that you only notice it when you're in the slower queue... when you're in the faster queue, you never even think about it.

This might be the explanation for the "syndrome" they are talking about. The fact that the last bet is noticeable in an accumulated bet, makes it more crucial, and thus inflicts a sense of loss in our minds. We don't really happen to count all of the wins and losses in an accumulated bet, but instead, we most probably notice the first and the last bets when you put it in a spreadsheet.

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"In an accumulated bet, why is it often the last games that goes rugged and you end up loosing what's supposed to be a best bet and was already preparing for a cash out or the next step"

I don't think this is the case. It's just that it's more noticeable when it's the last bet.
Similar to how whenever you join a queue at a supermarket, it feels like it is always the slowest moving queue and people in the nearby queues are getting to the checkout much quicker... but actually what is happening is that you only notice it when you're in the slower queue... when you're in the faster queue, you never even think about it.

This might be the explanation for the "syndrome" they are talking about. The fact that the last bet is noticeable in an accumulated bet, makes it more crucial, and thus inflicts a sense of loss in our minds. We don't really happen to count all of the wins and losses in an accumulated bet, but instead, we most probably notice the first and the last bets when you put it in a spreadsheet.
There's no syndrome related to this. As for what I have read, it is more of an "end-of-the-day betting effect" developed by McGlothlin (1956) and Ali(1977). This idea states that there is a change on the gambler's behavior regarding their risk-taking habits in which they tend to bet higher in their last bet in order to cope up with their losses. Which more often yield to bigger losses than the assumed outcome of regaining what's lost. But I'd view this as either greed or frustration. Greed will exist if a gambler has lots of winnings but still chose to bet all of its for a bigger profit, while frustrations are for those who lost huge amount. How to resolve this problem? Simply impose self-discipline which is not as easy as it may sound.

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I don't think there is any proof that this might happen , it might just be perceived by our brain in a weird way, what I do Believe is that most of the bets we are playing are fair therefore there is equal chances of us loosing and winning but if we do loose , we perceive this in a negative way. The more you are into the game the more your chances of winning reduces , for example :
If you are playing a game which have two options , just two so the probability of you winning is : 1/2 , but if you are playing a connected one and you started another round it will become 1/4, If you went till the third round it will be 1/8, now this will go on and on and therefore this will actually be like this for a x number of outcomes and thus I do believe that it's not a problem of the company perse , it's just that out chances of winning consecutively decreases with every step. Just try out permutations and combinations and look for yourself. This is a myth and a game that your mind plays with you.

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December 07, 2020, 08:51:03 PM
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It's always never funny when this happens. What's the trick about it, is it that, bookmarkers just knows and tends to push the game to the last in the series for an accumulated bet option or it's really bad luck, if there is such a thing as bad luck or other reasons. What really is the trick about this scenario.

No trick behind it. We are playing gambling here.

It's just that not all the time, luck will always on our side even how professionally analyzed those matches.

Accept the fact that it's not easy to win in sports betting especially in parlays. If things that easy, we shouldn't see a majority of losers here.
Predicting the outcome of an event is hard enough and even professional gamblers that earn money out of the activity cannot predict most outcomes most of the time, so trying to parlay your bets is a mistake, just think of all the times people fell short of their parlay wanting to win big immediately and losing their money and think of all the money they could have won if they have made a bet on each one of those games individually, this is why it is not enough to be able to predict correctly the outcome of games you need a strategy to profit from it or you will still lose money.

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It's always never funny when this happens. What's the trick about it, is it that, bookmarkers just knows and tends to push the game to the last in the series for an accumulated bet option or it's really bad luck, if there is such a thing as bad luck or other reasons. What really is the trick about this scenario.

No trick behind it. We are playing gambling here.

It's just that not all the time, luck will always on our side even how professionally analyzed those matches.

Accept the fact that it's not easy to win in sports betting especially in parlays. If things that easy, we shouldn't see a majority of losers here.
Predicting the outcome of an event is hard enough and even professional gamblers that earn money out of the activity cannot predict most outcomes most of the time, so trying to parlay your bets is a mistake, just think of all the times people fell short of their parlay wanting to win big immediately and losing their money and think of all the money they could have won if they have made a bet on each one of those games individually, this is why it is not enough to be able to predict correctly the outcome of games you need a strategy to profit from it or you will still lose money.

Try to compare the odds of parlays and with single bets.Yes, they might really be on that small margin but there are people who do really like out to earn even more
even with those less chances or more riskier bets.When talking about predicting the outcome then its always been a challenged.No matter how professional
you are then you are still bound to losses which is inevitable.The advantage here compared to noobs or amateurs is that they do able to control up their
emotion in times that they had lost a bet.When it comes to money or bankroll management then they are much aware.They wont be called pro's
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December 07, 2020, 10:32:29 PM
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does the syndrome really exist ? or you just came up with it upon your past experiences?
There is no such syndrome but mostly it occurs when we do play alot and tendency is we will play almost a huge and multiple bets when we about to end our game since we tend to be excited hoping that we will also win that one and when we get too excited in things we do, we losses our track and focus which maybe the reason we experiences such thing of almost winning then at the end losing since we were trying whether the luck is really there and still exist. It will be good if we will be able to stop when we already won but we always have this in my mind to still try for one last time that makes more and somehow ends lose.

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