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April 15, 2021, 06:19:57 AM
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The price of Bitcoin is breaking all-time highs every day recently and there is debate on whether Bitcoin price is in a bubble and will burst soon.

While some are optimistic about the rising trend of Bitcoin and some are expecting the drop and interested in the inverse Bitcoin ETF.

What is inverse?

A product that invests in a decline in the futures price of Bitcoin. In other words, the more the price goes down, the more profitable investors get!

This allows you to invest in bitcoin products in stock exchanges as well as coin exchanges.

More and more investors are interested in Bitcoin but still, the government regulatory issue concerns the public and make it a hesitation to some of the investors.

Crypto & Fear Index is now at 79 indicating an Extreme Greed level, indicating people are still willing to buy in Bitcoin.

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April 15, 2021, 06:26:35 AM
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I don't think an inverse ETF would be very successful today, it's another way of betting down against Bitcoin but those who do that stand to lose. It could probably be useful in the future, I'm not saying it won't, but you won't see me buying ETFs, inverse or not, I prefer the real Bitcoin, although I suppose it will be successful among a certain type of public.

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April 15, 2021, 06:27:05 AM
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The price of Bitcoin is breaking all-time highs every day recently and there is debate on whether Bitcoin price is in a bubble and will burst soon.
Yes, The price of Bitcoin breaking the records of its own price in all time. I think bitcoin price is not like a bubble that will brust. Bitcoin price can dropping some. But not dropping $10k or more down that. If anyone think that then their thinking will be just a thinking, their thinking will never be realistic.
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April 15, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
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The thought of bitcoin being a bubble during the bull run and all-time high days won't be stopped. You just get used to it from those people who keep on saying that because you and them are not in the same situation. While you are enjoying the days because you own bitcoin, them are not. Those bears that are giving the thought to be scared in the market will always be there and most likely, they are easily affecting the newbies just like me before.

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April 15, 2021, 01:27:39 PM
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The price of Bitcoin is breaking all-time highs every day recently and there is debate on whether Bitcoin price is in a bubble and will burst soon.
Yes, The price of Bitcoin breaking the records of its own price in all time. I think bitcoin price is not like a bubble that will brust. Bitcoin price can dropping some. But not dropping $10k or more down that. If anyone think that then their thinking will be just a thinking, their thinking will never be realistic.

Many articles has been released about bitcoin is a bubble so its not surprising to see those people believes on it and afraid to stake because of that reason, maybe those negative people should look at the scenario on how we earn on it and ask the people near them who use it if they really earning good with bitcoins maybe from this they will realize that bitcoin is not literally always a bubble and sometimes those growth are part of its development.

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April 15, 2021, 01:28:20 PM
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The thing is; if you are an investor a bubble is actually really good. Bitcoin has never crashed to zero, and therefore you could probably wager that if it did crash, and the bubble popped. You would be able to invest at that low price point, and if history repeats itself watch your investment appreciate in value over time.

I honestly, don't get when people use a bubble as a criticism since its usually from people who haven't invested, and a bubble is exactly what they want to be able to make money. Of course, bubbles exist, and I'm not going to tell you Bitcoin isn't going through a bubble right now. What I can tell you is bubbles are somewhat natural in anything that holds value, and bubbles are usually temporary.

Bitcoin at least over the years has proven that its only appreciated in value over time, and if you believe in the currency, and understand the fundamentals behind it, then you'd probably expect as it gets more rare, the value should rise up more.
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April 15, 2021, 02:06:54 PM
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Care is needed when looking for a continuous spike in volatile volatility. so don't fall asleep if you dare to enter when bitcoin is soaring. at that point it will definitely break and the altcoin market will also fall. securing as many assets as possible with stable coins is the most effective way.
And the current phenomenon, traders do not really pay attention when the bubble will burst or even continue to provide more oxygen. the thing to watch out for is bitcoin break rate will come after all whale wishes are fulfilled.

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April 15, 2021, 02:23:48 PM
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I don't think an inverse ETF would be very successful today, it's another way of betting down against Bitcoin but those who do that stand to lose. It could probably be useful in the future, I'm not saying it won't, but you won't see me buying ETFs, inverse or not, I prefer the real Bitcoin, although I suppose it will be successful among a certain type of public.


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April 16, 2021, 12:18:23 AM
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An ETF type of investor? My first time to see such kind of the opposite type of investor. So, if the price of bitcoin goes up, how can you cope up with that? Is there also liquidity or will charged up and decrease the invested capital?
 
 Why don't you just buy your own bitcoin, be the boss of your own company because you only control your bitcoin. You can do holding without any worry whether the market seems to counter its way down or not.
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April 16, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
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These sort of ETFs are common. You can even find them for individual stocks such as Apple.

However, they usually are leveraged by 2x or 3x, so you can make more on trades (or lose more obviously).

They are usually aimed at day traders and are just more proof that Bitcoin is going mainstream, so are to be welcomed.
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April 16, 2021, 06:09:49 AM
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The thought of bitcoin being a bubble during the bull run and all-time high days won't be stopped. You just get used to it from those people who keep on saying that because you and them are not in the same situation. While you are enjoying the days because you own bitcoin, them are not. Those bears that are giving the thought to be scared in the market will always be there and most likely, they are easily affecting the newbies just like me before.
Agree, I mean there is probably no way for them to shut the hell up because they don't seem to be affected by any reason and I admire their indomitable will to stand by their principle but we all know that they are wrong so trying to argue with them isn't going to result in anything good, maybe some will change but that is a rare thing to happen to a bear. Also don't go with the current Bitcoin ETFs, they are not as secure as traditional ETFs.

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The concepts of financial markets cannot be applied to cryptocurrencies for several differences between them, the most prominent of which is the fact that the market operates 24 hours and in the whole world, which makes operations such as shorting do not succeed in the long term and different price values.
The market is still in the process of growth, so the term bubble may be accurate, but as long as the price does not go to zero and the price continues to rise, it will bubble th;t will not explode and lead to a great depression.

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In the crypto market, we heard different good news around and it might worth it to hold and wait for a better result.

Not an option for me, this ETF is somehow can't be foreseen even when using valid statistics.  IMO, it's no surprise for Bitcoin to bubble in the new few weeks or months.  That's highly expected and most anticipated.
You just have to play along with it.

On the other hand, might I would trust a person to handle my Bitcoin if there is a platform that would let users copy trade, and the trader is officially listed as one of their professional traders so they can gain my trust to do ETF.

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April 16, 2021, 06:25:21 PM
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The thought of bitcoin being a bubble during the bull run and all-time high days won't be stopped. You just get used to it from those people who keep on saying that because you and them are not in the same situation. While you are enjoying the days because you own bitcoin, them are not. Those bears that are giving the thought to be scared in the market will always be there and most likely, they are easily affecting the newbies just like me before.
Agree, I mean there is probably no way for them to shut the hell up because they don't seem to be affected by any reason and I admire their indomitable will to stand by their principle but we all know that they are wrong so trying to argue with them isn't going to result in anything good, maybe some will change but that is a rare thing to happen to a bear. Also don't go with the current Bitcoin ETFs, they are not as secure as traditional ETFs.
They would only stop when they're silently start investing on it. Their views will definitely change because they're already with us. We've seen popular figures in the financing sector did that in the past. After telling the people bitcoin in many negative ways, they've changed because they have announced that they are also investors. Reminders to the newbies, you don't sell whenever you have seen bad news in bitcoin, this is really different from the stocks market.

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April 16, 2021, 07:40:43 PM
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Such talk about a bubble went on in 2017, when the price was at the level of 20 thousand dollars. What is the conclusion? The bubble then burst? I think the price at this level in 2021 is not a repetition of that situation. The community has grown, whole countries and huge corporations are already investing in bitcoin. There are a lot of examples. Therefore, I have a big doubt that such serious investors will allow a precipitous fall, which they absolutely do not need. I think even if there is a bearish trend in the market, it will no longer be as precipitous as before.

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