DT trust padding instances

[nutildah]

Started a thread specifically for this subject. It is self-moderated but I probably won't delete your post unless you are a douche.

Today I was looking at the Default trust breakdown and noticed somebody for the first time:

RaltcoinsB: 2
Trusted by:

• Vispilio
• wolwoo

RaltcoinsB has never left or received a trust, but they do have a trust list with Vispilio and wolwoo on it.

With no trust system experience whatsoever, is this really the kind of user that should be on DT1?

Well, if there was any doubt, it would appear they've also been cheating bounties with an alt as well.

RaltcoinsB used this ETH address for an airdrop. The address sent PundiX tokens to another address, which contains another incoming PundiX transaction of the exact same amount from this address, which belongs to Xday123.

Both addresses also moved Medical Token to the same address, as well.

And the cherry on the top is that they sent each other 3 merits, which isn't so much, but there's little doubt in my mind that these aren't owned by the same person. Xday123 has been inactive since May after being unable to land a signature campaign gig.

I don't want to get too snarky or judgy (only a little bit), but we should be diligent about not letting this kind of thing creep into DT1, which is basically flagrant disregard for what DT is supposed to be about. Its unapologetic nepotism at the most basic level and there are some otherwise decent folks that let it happen by continuing to include obvious trust system abusers, for whatever reason.

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[suchmoon]

There is pretty much no chance of getting Vispilio and wolwoo out since they have martyr status on the Turkish board and will be voted in against any DT guidelines. And I doubt that other suggestions - like increasing the eligibility requirements, or restricting DT1 peer voting for deeply-excluded users - would ever be implemented so all we can do is play whack-a-mole with these new shitheads once they pop up.

you are a douche

Ah fuck... will you stop doxing me.

[Little Mouse]

I totally agree that this is a misuse of custom trust list, this is not the purpose of building a trust list. It would be little off topic but I think I should have mentioned Jet Cash (DT1) and jackg who include Helana on their trust list who never sent any feedback, never received any feedback.
Trust list for Helana- https://loyce.club/trust/2020-12-19_Sat_04.07h/2359691.html
Profile of Helana- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2359691
I wouldn’t say Jet Cash and jackg are abusing the system. In fact, they are not much active in the feedback system but this inclusion is clearly misuse or wrong use.

[Timelord2067]

...so all we can do is play whack-a-mole with these new shitheads once they pop up.

You did ... in week 70 only to remove that distrust in week 99.


RaltcoinsB first created their DT trust list in week 69 then the following week, week 70 the two UID's you mention reciprocate DT trust-for-trust.

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The two users you mention haven't changed their trust in over 101 weeks; they trusted Helana prior to week one and their trusts are unchanged now in week 101.

[actmyname]

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The two users you mention haven't changed their trust in over 101 weeks; they trusted Helana prior to week one and their trusts are unchanged now in week 101.

Yes, but there is little point to trusting the user when the lack thereof has the same net effect on everyone's trust settings.

The only time something changes is when:

Helana updates their trust list and becomes trusted by others, thereby potentially affecting DT1
Helana adds new trust feedbackBut who adds someone to their trust list in expectation of either of these?

[Timelord2067]

But who adds someone to their trust list in expectation of either of these?

There's only one of two reciprocal trusts and we don't know that it wasn't Helana that reciprocated trust of the other two first...

I think what I was getting at is that these users' situation hasn't changed in over 100 weeks - if both were going to trust/betrusted, it would have happened by now.

Trust list for: Helana (Trust: neutral) (70 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-12-19_Sat_04.07h)
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Helana Trusts these users' judgement:
1. jackg (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (940 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Helana Distrusts these users' judgement:
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Helana's judgement is Trusted by:
1. jackg (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (940 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1564 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Helana's judgement is Distrusted by:
-

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

I wouldn’t say Jet Cash and jackg are abusing the system. In fact, they are not much active in the feedback system but this inclusion is clearly misuse or wrong use.

I trust jackg and have no reason to distrust Jet Cash - abuse of the system?  I doubt it.  They might have both encountered that user early on and haven't given any thought to that user since.

jackg only trusts eight users, so they like Helana aren't in contention for DT1 at this point.

I take it you haven't reached out to either, if you had you would have mentioned it already.

[Little Mouse]

jackg only trusts eight users, so they like Helana aren't in contention for DT1 at this point.

I take it you haven't reached out to either, if you had you would have mentioned it already.

Jet Cash is DT1 member, so his inclusion make Helana DT2 member. An user who never have sent feedback is unlikely to be seen in DT2 list.
If this thread wouldn't exist, I would never share it anywhere, used only another of this example. I trust both users jackg and Jet Cash.

[LoyceV]

RaltcoinsB has never left or received a trust, but they do have a trust list with Vispilio and wolwoo on it.

With no trust system experience whatsoever, is this really the kind of user that should be on DT1?

Most of the Trust relations on the Turkish local board seem to be based on nationality instead of their good judgement. This has been going on for a while.

Most of the users who included (or are included by) RaltcoinsB have negative feedback:

Trust list for: RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (2) 349 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-12-19_Sat_04.07h)
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RaltcoinsB Trusts these users' judgement:
1. EFS (Trust: +7 / =1 / -1) (230 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. mhanbostanci (Trust: +1 / =0 / -3) (366 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Kalemder (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (1207 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. bobita (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (637 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Vispilio (Trust: +1 / =3 / -3) (DT1 (-4) 1040 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -3) (DT1 (-14) 657 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Blacknavy (Trust: +1 / =1 / -2) (1039 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. PHI1618 (Trust: #  +1 / =0 / -1) (1134 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. lossnet (Trust: neutral) (764 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. gospodin (Trust: neutral) (1008 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. Bthd (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1243 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. mandown (Trust: neutral) (460 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

RaltcoinsB Distrusts these users' judgement:
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RaltcoinsB's judgement is Trusted by:
1. funchiestz (Trust: #  +0 / =0 / -8) (92 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. bobita (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (637 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Vispilio (Trust: +1 / =3 / -3) (DT1 (-4) 1040 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -3) (DT1 (-14) 657 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. gumusi (Trust: +0 / =1 / -2) (105 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. koincik (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (265 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Hovarda (Trust: neutral) (175 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. BountyDetective (Trust: +1 / =0 / -3) (49 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Tom Bombadil (Trust: neutral) (299 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. kriminall (Trust: neutral) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. osmanucal (Trust: neutral) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. cryptoinfal (Trust: neutral) (12 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~RaltcoinsB's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (292 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

[Timelord2067]

jackg only trusts eight users, so they like Helana aren't in contention for DT1 at this point.

I take it you haven't reached out to either, if you had you would have mentioned it already.

Jet Cash is DT1 member, so his inclusion make Helana DT2 member.

Helana hasn't posted since 2018-11-10, 07:13:37 (so it's getting a little off topic) and has given no trust feedback (ever)

An user who never have sent feedback is unlikely to be seen in DT2 list.
If this thread wouldn't exist, I would never share it anywhere, used only another of this example. I trust both users jackg and Jet Cash.

You might "trust" both, however, you aren't on either's list of users trusted by them: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-12-19_Sat_04.07h/698159.html or https://loyce.club/trust/2020-12-19_Sat_04.07h/543626.html

[RaltcoinsB]

first of all hello and sorry that my english is not very good i will use translation.  I never had a goal of becoming a dt member.  I did not pressure or suggest any user to put me on their trust list.  I am working as a police officer in Turkey already now.  I had a close friend who was interested in this forum: Xday123.  we were working together.  We occasionally sent tokens to each other in some of our accounts.  I even exchanged tokens with his help, since he had an account on some exchanges and did not have my account.  Which of us haven't done that?  Xday123 is currently working in another city and when we spoke on the phone he told me that he could not enter the forum for family reasons.  He even asked about the signature campaign, and I told him about bitvest / 777 campaigns and told him that he had to pay Bitcoin.  He himself applied, but did not enter the forum afterwards.  I explained what happened with all its reality. 
 Vispilio, our club has merit resources and very useful messages.  He is a respected person in the Turkish forum.  wolwoo was a very successful member when he shared like that, he was a little more deactivated these days.  These members are already on the trust list of most Turkish users.  If you have an objective member from the Turkish tavern that you trust, you can check what I wrote.

[Timelord2067]

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When all else fails, turn to the tried and true methodologies:

Date Registered:    2013-07-26, 23:57:08   EFS

Date Registered:    2014-01-01, 07:44:21   funchiestz

Date Registered:    2015-02-06, 18:34:52   mhanbostanci

Date Registered:    2015-03-21, 23:20:40   Kalemder

Date Registered:    2017-03-02, 03:08:41   bobita

Date Registered:    2017-04-10, 12:03:24   Vispilio

Date Registered:    2017-05-16, 09:30:37   wolwoo

Date Registered:    2017-06-02, 16:42:41   Blacknavy
Date Registered:    2017-06-08, 20:46:14   RaltcoinsB

Date Registered:    2017-07-18, 04:06:42   PHI1618

Date Registered:    2017-08-13, 01:47:29   lossnet

Date Registered:    2017-10-04, 07:40:44   gumusi

Date Registered:    2017-10-28, 08:00:26   Xday123

Date Registered:    2017-11-19, 21:03:51   koincik
Date Registered:    2017-11-23, 04:10:37   gospodin

Date Registered:    2018-01-25, 16:28:05   Hovarda

Date Registered:    2018-02-15, 06:33:11   Bthd

Date Registered:    2019-02-14, 05:34:20   mandown

Date Registered:    2019-10-15, 20:22:35   BountyDetective

Date Registered:    2019-11-16, 21:23:57   Tom Bombadil

Date Registered:    2020-05-07, 05:28:16   kriminall
Last Active:    2020-05-12, 18:43:21      Xday123

Date Registered:    2020-10-17, 00:41:31   osmanucal
Date Registered:    2020-10-17, 00:50:37   cryptoinfal


What are the odds of those who are on their DT trust list for the most part having been created roughly one month apart in early 2017 through 2018 (and a couple of examples in 2015/2019 as well?)

What are the odds of two users being created less than ten minutes apart then going on to trust the same user?


Week 98 - https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/1024933.html



Week 98 - https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/2695747.html



Week 98 - https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/2866246.html



Week 98 - https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-29_Sun_14.19h/2866248.html

[nutildah]

first of all hello and sorry that my english is not very good i will use translation.  I never had a goal of becoming a dt member.  I did not pressure or suggest any user to put me on their trust list.  I am working as a police officer in Turkey already now.  I had a close friend who was interested in this forum: Xday123.  we were working together.  We occasionally sent tokens to each other in some of our accounts.  I even exchanged tokens with his help, since he had an account on some exchanges and did not have my account.  Which of us haven't done that?  Xday123 is currently working in another city and when we spoke on the phone he told me that he could not enter the forum for family reasons.  He even asked about the signature campaign, and I told him about bitvest / 777 campaigns and told him that he had to pay Bitcoin.  He himself applied, but did not enter the forum afterwards.  I explained what happened with all its reality. 
 Vispilio, our club has merit resources and very useful messages.  He is a respected person in the Turkish forum.  wolwoo was a very successful member when he shared like that, he was a little more deactivated these days.  These members are already on the trust list of most Turkish users.  If you have an objective member from the Turkish tavern that you trust, you can check what I wrote.

Thanks for stopping by with your explanation. I'm not going to tag your account or anything but it's curious to me that Vispilio and wolwoo would add you to their trust network even though you never left a trust rating. It's not your fault that they added you, their behavior sort of goes against what DT is supposed to be about.

If I'm wrong here, I'm open to other interpretations.

[suchmoon]

It's not your fault that they added you, their behavior sort of goes against what DT is supposed to be about.

True, but RaltcoinsB having Vispilio and wolwoo in their trust is RaltcoinsB's responsibility, and including someone for being a merit source or respected or successful is making trust lists into twitface "likes".

[Timelord2067]

Thanks for stopping by with your explanation. I'm not going to tag your account or anything

Well... that's not entirely true:

If I'm wrong here, I'm open to other interpretations.

True, but ...

Why the sudden back peddling from both of you (and suchmoon's distrust, then indifference?)

[suchmoon]

Why the sudden back peddling from both of you (and suchmoon's distrust, then indifference?)

Normally in situations like this I would ask "what the fuck are you babbling about" but this is so clearly made up that I can just advise you to fuck off.

[Vod]

Thanks for stopping by with your explanation. I'm not going to tag your account or anything

Well... that's not entirely true:



If I'm wrong here, I'm open to other interpretations.

I think you are wrong here.  "Tagging" means leaving trust.  nutildah doesn't distrust this user, only who the user trusts (BPIP wording could be changed).

The trust network is meant to be viewed by everyone.   The DT inclusions/exclusions are semi-private.   You tag the public side, right?

[Timelord2067]

...Trolling...

First you distrust that user, then you remove your distrust.

What part of my question did you not understand?

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What would you prefer?

[nutildah]

Thanks for stopping by with your explanation. I'm not going to tag your account or anything

Well... that's not entirely true:

"Yes, it's entirely true," he responded, slightly miffed that such a response was required of him in the first place. "Tagging an account is not the same thing as excluding an account from your trust list in any way, shape or form. Why you would bother to take the time to express otherwise is entirely beyond my comprehension."

Nutildah had grown beyond tired of Timelord2067's illogical assertions, insinuations and connections over the years, but he had learned an effective trick for dealing with the situation: from hereon out he would respond to his posts in third person narration. Nutildah found it introduced a relieving disconnection between himself and Timelord, and perhaps more important, he found it to be funny.

[Timelord2067]

... Trolling ...

So instead of focusing on my contribution and examples provided, you turn to Trolling instead?

And you wonder why you had to start this thread.

[Vod]

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What would you prefer?

Not sure what preference you mean.  I just pointed out that adding someone to your distrust list is not tagging them.