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March 08, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
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i think bitcoin can only disappear when it loses the key to the wallet. and it can happen to anyone. besides, bitcoin is still very safe to use.

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According to NIST and ECRYPT II, the cryptographic algorithms used in Bitcoin are expected to be strong until at least 2030. (After that, it will not be too difficult to transition to different algorithms.)
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March 08, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
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*A4 paper analogy*

That's still just a long-winded way of saying that you aren't willing to respect consensus.  It doesn't matter how you attempt to justify your ideology.  Whether you blame it on speculation or a particular dev team doesn't make any difference.  The fact is people are choosing to run code that makes Bitcoin work the way it does.  If you want to take advantage of the network effects and security offered by Bitcoin's network, this is what you're signing up for.  If you don't want that, you can sacrifice security and network effects by using another blockchain.

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March 08, 2021, 02:49:46 PM
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Bitcoin address: This is an account
Private key: This is a password
Hi Cryptanalyst, Address and a private key aren't the same as the account and password. you can't change a private key as a password.

Block: This is a piece of A4 paper with the transfer information of the account written on it
A4 paper can't do that. why you always write the wrong analogy?. a piece of A4 paper can't write the hundred-gigabyte block.

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March 08, 2021, 04:14:56 PM
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1. Lightning network is not a Bitcoin transaction way
2. Segwit is not a Bitcoin transaction way
3. Blocks larger than 1M are not Bitcoin blocks
4. The rapidly increasing price is a sharp knife to Bitcoin

I was shocked that during the hard fork of bitcoin cash, there was no bitcoin that rejected segwit and refused to expand the block. At this time, bitcoin became not bitcoin.

Transaction volume and fees are not the flaws of the original Bitcoin.

I can understand that the user pays transaction fees to buy the bytes of the block, so the byte of the block is a commodity, and the quantity of this commodity is fixed. The demand comes from the fact that the trader needs this byte to confirm the transaction.

Therefore, expanding the block is like increasing the Bitcoin limit of 21 million, and segwit removing the signature data is like buying half of the goods. This is cheating, deceiving, not innovating. As for the lightning network, I can’t understand everyone looking forward to the lightning network

lightning network

This is to fundamentally change Bitcoin and reconsolidate the decentralized rights into the hands of a few people. Segwit is increasing the rights of miners, and expanding blocks is to issue more commodities to miners, just like the right to print money for miners.

These are not the way of Bitcoin. The transaction volume is a pseudo-demand. This is not a real problem. The real function of money is not to pay the bills. The function of money is to store value.
It is naive to imagine Bitcoin to buy coffee, but people can use Bitcoin to buy coffee consumption cards or coffee points. This is okay, and there is no problem of privacy leakage.

The centralization of small consumption is not a problem, because small consumption itself is decentralized. When gold and silver are currency, no one has ever come out and say, let us change gold, change silver, let us change gold and silver When copper coins are used, they can’t be used as copper coins to buy coffee. Is that still money?

So, the original Bitcoin has disappeared forever on #478559 / 1 August 2017 (3 years ago)

Now that there are bitcoin core and bitcoin cash, they can’t be said to be the original bitcoin, they are modified versions of bitcoin.


As for how Bitcoin disappeared, the reason is the price. The huge price increase created the illusion of success of Bitcoin. But, when Bitcoin and price are closely linked, Bitcoin cannot be used. This price increase is traditional currency issuer attack, no one noticed

The currency issuer has successfully controlled the development of Bitcoin. A few people decide the way forward and change the way Bitcoin is traded. Everyone thinks it is technological advancement?

Bitcoin is just the same ledger shared by many people. Now everyone is discussing, let's change the accounting method. Unfortunately, this proposal has been successful.

I don’t know if someone rejected segwit at the fork and refused to expand the block of Bitcoin. If so, please let me know. I can say loudly that Bitcoin has not disappeared.

How much Bitcoin is worth, the focus has become traditional money, not Bitcoin. The abnormal price growth has attracted a large number of investors, not users.

Investors continue to change Bitcoin, making Bitcoin a perfect story, but it is only a story. Investors say that they want to replace Visa, but they don’t say why they want to replace Visa. It’s just a valuation of Bitcoin based on Visa.

The user looks at the rapidly increasing price and can no longer buy  bitcoin in a short time. The investor said that you can buy 0.00001 bitcoin and it will be very valuable in the future, trying to convince the user to become an investor.

It is the high price that makes Bitcoin unavailable for daily use, not the transaction volume and Bitcoin transaction fees.

It can be said that Bitcoin must have a high price, because as the number of users increases, the demand will rise. This is true, but what is needed is as the number of users increases, not as the price increases. The number of investor will increase.

Traditional currency issuers, using money as a sharp sword, successfully allowed Bitcoin to be used only for large speculation, and then manipulated the market, making Bitcoin a sword that stabs people and harvests people money.

This is not Bitcoin. This is a dog of a traditional currency issuer. The wolf is attracted by the printed food and surrenders the rope to control itself.

This is a sad story. Maybe the price of Bitcoin will get higher and higher in the future, but this is not the success of Bitcoin, it is the success of traditional currency issuers. No matter how much it increases, the only purpose of Bitcoin is to convert it into traditional currency that can be used.

So, Bitcoin will not become money, so how can you buy coffee? In order to allow Bitcoin to buy coffee and change Bitcoin into an investment product, is this a huge joke?

What is the reason why the usage rate of segwit has not been high? It can reduce transaction costs and change the address format.

There is also an HD wallet problem. This thing is also very bad, but it is completely accepted. Use seeds to generate an unlimited number of addresses. You only need to remember a dozen words to use these bitcoins. It looks good, but it will Bring great insecurity.

The developer completely isolates the technology from the user, and the user does not know what address, private key, public key, and signature are. These things should be extremely simple, so that all users understand what is protecting Bitcoin, not a dozen words Protecting the funds they have worked so hard to get.

Human beings are very fragile individuals. They will forget and leak. Even words written on paper are sometimes lost. When HD wallet leaks or is lost, all bitcoins will disappear.

HD wallet does not increase security, but it can reduce the number of wallets. HD wallet can only increase the convenience of multi-account use of transactions.

Multiple accounts and identity isolation

These should be done by users themselves, not by developers instead of users. Users can generate multiple Bitcoin addresses, completely independent, and will not lose all Bitcoin due to the leakage or loss of a dozen words.

Bitcoin does not need frequent upgrades, it is just a shared ledger, but now it is hiding the ledger, changing the ledger, and allowing users to use it without knowing it.

Only when people can understand the private key and public key, and after signing, will they be able to use Bitcoin with confidence, instead of trusting a wallet program and not even knowing what they are backing up.

Anyone can understand Bitcoin. This is not advanced technology. It is just a method of bookkeeping. It does not need to become more and more complicated. Anyone who says that ordinary people cannot understand Bitcoin is wrong.

This is what I said, Bitcoin has disappeared.

Of course, Bitcoin is nothing more than a store of value right now.
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March 08, 2021, 09:38:20 PM
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hello,
please help me because I don't know what to do anymore and I can't find a solution to my problem,
I had bitcoin sent to a wallet that was offline,
I know I was wrong but I only realized it after the transaction. bitcoin,
however, was successful anyway but I do not see the bitcoins received in my wallet, what can I do?
can i recover the bitcoins or are they lost forever?
do i have to download the whole blockchain?
if i log in with the same private keys elsewhere will i get my bitcoins back?
please help me,
the public key was this:
1L3DwZ2nBjU2Y91Ck1DkDKmBeg3XhWQm9o
thanks.
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March 08, 2021, 10:44:12 PM
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Bitcoin is supposed to be a technology, digital cash. It's becoming a speculative asset. It has a lot of cheerleaders, priests who subscribe to odd beliefs like hyperbitcoinization. They preach like religious leaders. They occasionally discuss the technology like Lightning. Lightning is supposed to make Bitcoin work for payments. That story is falling apart. Lightning isn't going anywhere. The leaders go back to preaching. The price has gone up dramatically. And it's probably going higher. If you own Bitcoin, you'll feel like winning a war.
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March 08, 2021, 10:46:52 PM
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Lightning Network aims to revolutionize the otherwise problematic transactions with bitcoin, part of the reason why its price keeps ballooning. You may be right with the idea that bitcoin couldn't become a currency basing it to the current stature of the market and the coin itself. But it could work very well as a store of value.
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March 09, 2021, 06:20:45 AM
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This is not a real problem. The real function of money is not to pay the bills. The function of money is to store value.

Actually both are a real function of money.Bitcoin is a store of value,and probably in the future,we are going to pay our bills with BTC,so I don't know where is the problem.
Bitcoin became a speculative tool,because of it's limited supply and increasing demand.This is just how the market works.
OP,your post is just a one big wall of text,that is full with endless whining.If you don't like Bitcoin just don't use it.
I don't want to discuss LN,Segwit and BCH hardfork,because I will have to write a wall of text and there's no point to discuss topics,that have been discussed years ago.

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March 09, 2021, 11:22:38 PM
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hello,
please help me because I don't know what to do anymore and I can't find a solution to my problem,
I had bitcoin sent to a wallet that was offline,
I know I was wrong but I only realized it after the transaction. bitcoin,
however, was successful anyway but I do not see the bitcoins received in my wallet, what can I do?
can i recover the bitcoins or are they lost forever?
do i have to download the whole blockchain?
if i log in with the same private keys elsewhere will i get my bitcoins back?
please help me,
the public key was this:
1L3DwZ2nBjU2Y91Ck1DkDKmBeg3XhWQm9o
thanks.

You should post new thread in corresponding section
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=39.0

I can say only this: sending bitcoin to offline or not synced wallet is pretty normal. You can sync your wallet anytime and the previous transactions shows up. You might check synced status of your address online for example here:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1L3DwZ2nBjU2Y91Ck1DkDKmBeg3XhWQm9o
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