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January 28, 2021, 02:55:03 AM
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So essentially 5 50 times more Bitcoin, off the cuff response - it would still be limited supply!
The same reward structure would remain I guess so it would take
longer to mine 1,000,000,000.

What is appealing to investors at the moment is the fact that Bitcoin is a deflationary
asset compared to FIAT which is inflationary, Gold is the closest to Bitcoin but still is
or isnt limited [thats a different discussion] and is controlled.

If Satoshi had set the limit at 1Billion I dont think it would make a difference to the
way we think or the appeal of Bitcoin,

On the other hand if there was a consensus to change the limit from 21Million to 1Billion,
Well thats a different matter.

I think this will not gonna happen. If bitcoin become infinite, then it loses its scarcity.

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January 28, 2021, 03:39:18 AM
Last edit: January 28, 2021, 03:50:16 AM by imstillthebest
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Limited supply makes Bitcoin more demandable and more valuable, If it has unlimited supply People were afraid to invest in it, People were not keen to invest in it, they thought Supply is more than demand so investing in it will not be profitable. You can look at XRP as an example, They have increased their circulating supply, their supply has increased more than the demand, now they are is in crisis with their existence.
if btc had a billion supply not unlimited . unlimited is crazier than a billion supply and i do not know if there will still be investors if the coin has an unlimited supply .
coins that have a billions supply surprisingly have a nice number  of investors  . xrp is not decentralize thats why they can increase their supply  .
others are not contented with the supply that btc have and they think they are small , they wish that it can be increased too but we cant agree with that .
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January 28, 2021, 04:23:57 AM
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This obsession with the unit price makes me wonder sometimes.

bitcoin has 100 million satoshis each. In fact, at the protocol level there are only satoshis. The bitcoin software does not care about whole bitcoins. It only cares about satoshis.

The bitcoin "unit" is actually just a convention!

Still, there are valid questions to be asked

1) Would it have been different (for better or worse) if the decimal point was chosen to be further to the right? Really even now it's little more that changing what the client shows as "one" bitcoin.
  Back when the price of one unit was just cents this would have been a moot point. Now I'm not so sure. Unit bias is a real thing.

2) Should it be considered in the future to increase the decimal points to the right? Effectively 10x all the satoshi in existence (the equivalent of 1 decimal point increase)
  This is not really an increase in supply as all balances AND past transactions would see that increase. What it would do is add precision to allow for even smaller transfers of value and maybe more granularity in fees

This is something that needs to be considered seriously. I would say that since the current Bitcoin price is around $31,000 and in future BTC is expected to test six-digits, the decimal point needs to be moved by six places to the right. That would mean that all the existing and yet-to-be mined Bitcoins getting subdivided by 100,000. So 1 BTC in existence becomes 100,000 BTC. This will being the unit price down to manageable levels. For the software, it makes no difference. Earlier 1 BTC was equal to 100 million Satoshi. And now 1 BTC will equal 1000 Satoshi.

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January 30, 2021, 05:53:26 PM
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2) Should it be considered in the future to increase the decimal points to the right? Effectively 10x all the satoshi in existence (the equivalent of 1 decimal point increase)
  This is not really an increase in supply as all balances AND past transactions would see that increase. What it would do is add precision to allow for even smaller transfers of value and maybe more granularity in fees
I do not think that is ever going to be necessary, even if at some point we got an equivalence of one dollar for one satoshi it is very likely that at that time the dollar would have gone through hyperinflation which means the dollar will not buy anything and the satoshi will still be small enough and will allow enough granularity to our transactions.

However if it is ever needed the developers will add it as if they can pull off something like the lightning network then adding just a few decimals to the right should be something incredibly easy for them.

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February 18, 2021, 03:49:33 PM
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Okay anyone good with maths here can answer this?

What if Bitcoin had a Billion Max supply yet instead of 8 decimal places to lowest 0.00000001 it has 6 decimal places that is 0.000001?

Why 8 decimal places? Is it because in computing we move in even number bits, like 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit or whatever and there cant be a 6-bit/decimal place?
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February 18, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
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I don't really understand how your math works , but you're probably thinking in the right direction.

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February 18, 2021, 06:44:37 PM
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At this point in time the effect of the supply cap is currently unknown because we have not yet experienced it. We will know what effect the 21 million cap has on price only once all bitcoins have become mined and accounted for.



Once bitcoin is well established(is this now?), current supply would determine value much more than future potential maximum supply. The artificial cap could have improved short term growth by creating the deflationary narrative but long term growth would require supply growth or some other incentive for new adopters to consider joining once the coin is no longer mine-able. The most elegant solution is no cap but a defined supply increase with the limit approaching zero and letting the cap naturally be set to the capacity we have to apply our technology to mining as difficulty increases. The price would continue to go up because the coin would still become increasingly rare over time and the network would still continue to grow in a similar fashion to what we have seen over a much longer period.
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February 18, 2021, 11:03:51 PM
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At this point in time the effect of the supply cap is currently unknown because we have not yet experienced it. We will know what effect the 21 million cap has on price only once all bitcoins have become mined and accounted for.

Why would it make any difference?

Once bitcoin is well established(is this now?), current supply would determine value much more than future potential maximum supply. The artificial cap could have improved short term growth by creating the deflationary narrative but long term growth would require supply growth or some other incentive for new adopters to consider joining once the coin is no longer mine-able.

I can't make any sense of what you are trying to say here.

New adopters when the block subsidy ends (150 years from now?) can acquire bitcoins the same way as anyone does today.  They can purchase it at exchanges, they can earn it in exchange for products or services, they can earn it from the transaction fees through block confirmation, they can steal it. A limit (or lack thereof) on the total bitcoins created has no effect on any of this.

The most elegant solution is no cap but a defined supply increase with the limit approaching zero and letting the cap naturally be set to the capacity we have to apply our technology to mining as difficulty increases. The price would continue to go up because the coin would still become increasingly rare over time and the network would still continue to grow in a similar fashion to what we have seen over a much longer period.

If you like that solution, you are welcome to use any of the thousands of inflate-a-coin altcoins that people have created because they believed as you do.  How are those coins doing relative to Bitcoin by the way?
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March 20, 2021, 06:04:21 AM
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All I can say is thankfully bitcoin has a capped supply. Most of the coins with close to infinite supply are trash. Bitcoin is scarce & that’s one of the main things that makes it so valuable.
Most altcoins have no internal division into smaller price particles. Based on the fact that each bitcoin has one hundred million satoshis, we can say that in fact, bitcoin has much more small particles for trading than other cryptocurrencies. Other cryptocurrencies can also pack their usual one hundred million price particles into larger names, and then it turns out that there will be much less of them than bitcoins.
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