Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction

[suchmoon]

And so it begins, page 5 LOL.

It's not a fucking copulating (trying to keep it civil) job. It's a privilege to get paid for what you would be doing anyway. If someone's account farming gets in the way of forum discussions, we should get rid of account farming, not of forum discussions. End my suffering and ban me now if I'm wrong about this LOL.

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[LoyceV]

But.. Do you think that cm didn’t get the quality advertising they paid for because of this?
I think they still probably did, and it wouldn’t be a problem other than their specific rule to not allow alt accounts..
He is obviously a high quality poster to have achieved what he has..

I have made similar arguments in the past. As long as they are not talking to eachother, CM received advertising for xx posts, and paid for xx posts. The post quality was good enough that he was accepted into the campaign over other applicants, and was not removed when other applicants applied. 

I would see the 50 post limit as a means to control the budget.

I would be curious if DS would be open to allowing someone in the CM campaign to apply for one of the open spots with the account he is already participating with, so that he could potentailly be paid for 100 posts/week as opposed to 50 posts per week.

I'm pretty sure DarkStar_ won't allow that. This rule is very clear:

1. We will pay a maximum of 50 posts every week.

I've made more than the maximum number of posts in most weeks. I didn't get paid for any posts above that, which is fine.
If you have to compare this to a job, compare it to a high-paying job that expects employees to do unpaid overtime once in a while. Pretending to be someone else to get those hours paid is fraud.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Only theymos and Cyrus have access to IP logs, not the moderators. I would also be very surprised if it turned out they were arbitrarily looking up user's IP logs just for the fun of it without some prior suspicion or indication.

The Cryptios people have IP-access too.

Indeed. I wanted also to reply to o_e_l_e_o about this aspect, but then I noticed that LoyceV was faster than me. However, I will mention theymos' statement about Cryptios, as maybe others don't know this yet:

Cryptios's main purpose is recovering accounts, but they can also do minor patroller-type things. They are neither admins nor global moderators. They have access to IP/security logs (not PMs), but each of their accesses to private info are logged and per-day-limited; even if their access was compromised, the damage would be limited.

[johhnyUA]

That's sad, because figmentofmyass was in my trust list and i considered him as one of the most knowledgeable person in gambling :c

Not the first time i fucked up with people i trust    

If you have to compare this to a job, compare it to a high-paying job that expects employees to do unpaid overtime once in a while. Pretending to be someone else to get those hours paid is fraud.

In many countries even 1200 dollars per month is upper class salary. If we have 3 atls, this will be like 3600. And this is the amount which afford you to live like a baron (of course not like a king , or duke, or even earl. But as fat baron  )

[stompix]

End my suffering and ban me now if I'm wrong about this LOL.

Bun him!!  

If you have to compare this to a job,

Or maybe we should stop comparing it to anything else just for the sake of dissecting this and turning it into 7 seasons long drama about a guy suffering from DID. He did not "bend" the rules, he knew he was breaking the rules of the campaign, he did it knowingly and that's it, he cheated!
If he was such a good contributor and at this point, we all know he wasn't a shitposter he can continue to contribute to the forum, if he doesn't it means he was just posting for $ and 3 guys (hopefully 3 and not 1) will take his place(s) and everything will not be fine again as it never was in the first place  

And what pissed me off about this is that I agreed with exstasie on a lot of issues while arguing with figmentofmyass on nearly everything and I almost put him on ignore during last spring when the pandemic hit after reading more of his posts on the matter. Feel like I've been the protagonist in some trannysurpise episode.

[lovesmayfamilis]

 figmentofmyass the list of mistrust is quite surprising. There are many people who, it seems, on the contrary, need to be trusted.
https://loyce.club/trust/2021-01-30_Sat_04.10h/136484.html


But he had a different opinion. What's wrong with him? Someone was at enmity with him?
One gets the impression that he doesn't like people

[bitmover]

But.. Do you think that cm didn’t get the quality advertising they paid for because of this?
I think they still probably did, and it wouldn’t be a problem other than their specific rule to not allow alt accounts..
He is obviously a high quality poster to have achieved what he has..

I have made similar arguments in the past. As long as they are not talking to eachother, CM received advertising for xx posts, and paid for xx posts.

I would see the 50 post limit as a means to control the budget.

I would be curious if DS would be open to allowing someone in the CM campaign to apply for one of the open spots with the account he is already participating with, so that he could potentailly be paid for 100 posts/week as opposed to 50 posts per week.

I think this problem goes a little deeper than that.

I think this attitude is disrespectful towards the other members of the community .

Some of us, like nuthilda for example, are working hard to make good quality posts every week to get a slot in a sig campaign (to make money, ofc).

Then a guy uses 9 slots, breaking ethical rules. It is fair enough that the other members of the community dislike that attitude, as we were all damaged.

While he has making 0.075 btc per week in CM, 2 people could be making 0.0375, which is what CM would like to pay for.

2 people will certainly make a better post quality, in more boards, than 1.

Where do you think he really stands now?

He is probably posts in some other alt account that was not identified, and probably already applied to CM again.

The post quality was good enough that he was accepted into the campaign over other applicants, and was not removed when other applicants applied. 

I think this is a problem with most campaign managers imo. Managers do not remove old participants to add people with better post quality. When someone joins a campaigns, he basically stays there until the campaign ends, with very few exceptions. Probably he would not get into CM now if he applied, but as he joined years ago, he just stayed there.

There are many high paying campaign here, especially old ones, which accepted semi-spammers (which barely got 50 or 100 merits in 3 years) and they were not removed  because they were accepted before the merit system.

[hilariousetc]

It seems that timeloard believes one of the accounts is a farmed account connected to a different farm. IDK if the accounts are still “connected” to the same person as the connection is from several years ago. My guess is that all the accounts in the OP were likely available for sale at one point, if not actually sold.

I wouldn't trust timelord's ratings especially ones from so long ago as 2017. He used to have a bizarre habit of tying people together using twisted logic that only made sense to him. My memory is hazy but I'm pretty sure figmentofmyass was well known to belong to an account farmer or was sold at one point. That name definitely sticks out.

Another good example is this one. This guy said, "as they say", so I wondered who does he mean by "they" because I've never heard the expression said that way before. It turns out it was himself.

"as they say" is a pretty common turn of phrase. It's just being rhetorical.

Which is too bad because he's quite an intelligent guy.

He has to be intelligent for writing so much posts everyday in same campaign with 3 accounts and from bitcoin he earned this is probably his full time job, and playing poker with himself figmentofmyass vs manchester93 it's a winwin situation for him until he lose it all

It doesn't really take a genius to make posts here. It probably takes a decent chunk of time and effort especially to get them onto the campaign in the first place but after that making posts is relatively easy, not to mention very lucrative especially with three accounts so it's worth it. You could probably even do it in your spare time after work to be honest if you were efficient enough. He's not exactly writing thesisis with every post so typing words on a forum isn't exactly a big deal even giving his volume.

How the heck do users even post with that many accounts? They have to be posting in the same threads and answering each other. I barely post on my 1 account, couldn't imagine the hell it would be to try making quotas weekly on 10+ accounts.

Probably easier than doing a full time job. Would you rather write reports as a desk jockey all day or do manual labour all week or just make posts on a forum all day instead.

If these guys all used the same device for posting then I'd imagine one of them would've posted something using the wrong account and get busted much earlier.

Wonder if they just have a bunch of cheap chromebooks that they use to keep everything separated.

No need. Just use different browsers. If the forum used browser fingerprinting it might require this sort of effort to evade detection ultimately but the admins rarely look into things like ban evasion so they're not going to bother with sig campaigners.

I personally don’t think bending the rules of a signature campaign is all that big of a deal..
I think entering multiple alts in a free contest is much more “cheating” than breaking a sig campaign rule..
In fact I’m not even sure “cheating” the campaign is the correct word to use if he did in fact create all of that quality content and therefore quality advertising which probably had zero effect on the value of advertising he was paid to provide..

Depends on your stance really. It's obviously not a crime, but it's against the terms of service, and a lot of people here tend to think abusing campaigns this way is shady or at the very least dishonest. Chipmixer campaign is very in demand so those slots could have been given to other people so there's an issue of fairness/greed that people won't appreciate.

Also wonder if mods knew this by IP the entire time and kept their mouths shut..

Only theymos and Cyrus have access to IP logs, not the moderators. I would also be very surprised if it turned out they were arbitrarily looking up user's IP logs just for the fun of it without some prior suspicion or indication.

Correct. And this wouldn't be a forum issue anyway so not something they'd get involved with. It's probable he used proxies as well, or would have been smart to do so, but then again wouldn't have been necessary but not something you'd want to leave to chance.

It’s just more sensational because it’s chipmixer...

This isn't really true. This sort of farming/abuse has always caused a stir here and has always elicited negative feedback. The fact that it's chipmixer just means it's a bigger payday and more of a headline given the financial loss to the farmer. If someone was discovered with ten accounts on another campaign the thread would be very similar to this one.

[JollyGood]

Well those are just 9 that have been confirmed as connect by nutildah as part of his deceit but the true figure may never be known.

YOSHIE linked together another 5 accounts operated by the same person using figmentofmyass: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313637.msg56250686#msg56250686

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I think this problem goes a little deeper than that.

I think this attitude is disrespectful towards the other members of the community .

Some of us, like nuthilda for example, are working hard to make good quality posts every week to get a slot in a sig campaign (to make money, ofc).

Then a guy uses 9 slots, breaking ethical rules. It is fair enough that the other members of the community dislike that attitude, as we were all damaged.

While he has making 0.075 btc per week in CM, 2 people could be making 0.0375, which is what CM would like to pay for.

2 people will certainly make a better post quality, in more boards, than 1.

[mk4]

@squatter seems to have a message for you, @nutildah.

[Pmalek]

@squatter seems to have a message for you, @nutildah.

squatter has not been online since 27 January (at least he wasn't when you made that screenshot) and nutildah created this thread on 1 February. squatter must have been talking about something else. This entire thread gave me an idea and I will soon put it on paper.

[mk4]

squatter has not been online since 27 January (at least he wasn't when you made that screenshot) and nutildah created this thread on 1 February. squatter must have been talking about something else. This entire thread gave me an idea and I will soon put it on paper.

Hah. Yea I was just messing around.

[suchmoon]

@squatter seems to have a message for you, @nutildah.

squatter has not been online since 27 January (at least he wasn't when you made that screenshot) and nutildah created this thread on 1 February. squatter must have been talking about something else. This entire thread gave me an idea and I will soon put it on paper.

He's had that message for years so he would have to own a time machine to make this happen. Come to think of it, a time machine would help with account farming too.

[nutildah]

Another good example is this one. This guy said, "as they say", so I wondered who does he mean by "they" because I've never heard the expression said that way before. It turns out it was himself.

"as they say" is a pretty common turn of phrase. It's just being rhetorical.

Since you're the second person who said this, it means I probably didn't clarify what I meant well enough. I wasn't referring to "as they say" as the odd phrase. The odd phrase is "The trend is your friend until it ends." What's odd about it is the "until it ends" part.

For example, doing a forum search for "the trend is your friend" yields 160 results; whereas searching for "the trend is your friend until it ends" yields 2 results: figmentofmyass and exstasie.

Sure.
can you provide some examples?

gentlemand https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17P52DifaD7YfvzLkX3wrxGVpKcaPHY4y57ZpI-FK754/edit#gid=1298899162

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155345

Stopped posting and logging in just after he was removed from the campaign, and hasn't returned since. TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if he had more accounts.

I would because gentlemand posts using a certain style of poetry that is not easily imitated, or rather can't be imitated. Somebody who is more easy to imitate and hasn't come back is 1Referee, who stopped posting after his last week in CM as well.

[fillippone]

I came to this thread almost by chance, as I wanted to understand what made @nutildah skyrocket in the merit chart.

This ruined my day.

I take enormous pride in being selected in CM campaign, and I try to make sure my post deserves the quality this campaign requires.
I have always worked hard on the quality of my post, but since I have been part of this campaign I have been even more demanding on the content of my posts.
I try to be respectful to other forum users, inside this campaign and outside, as my ethics, before the forum rules, guide me treating everyone with respect and fairness.

If what nutildah is true, I find this rule-breaking behaviour disrespectful to a long series of actors: firstly, other fellow CM sig campaign participant, @Darkstar_ and even Chipmixer themselves, who directly affected by this bad behaviour. Be in mind that those users were credited with almost 10 BTC during the whole campaign.

I noticed those three users were already marked red on the campaign spreadsheet by Darkstar_, something that makes me think, together with the merits he sent to Nutildah, and of course the negative feedback, he already has a clear view of what happened.

Nevertheless, I would like to hear from him the reasons why they decided to blatantly ignore any basic rule. I think we at least deserve this.

According to @ddmrddmr Merit Dashboard, I credited 75 merits to exstasie, 24 to figmentofmyass and 6 to squatter. I deeply regret those.

• Red tagging all of them.
• Adding them to distrust list:
  

Code:

~figmentofmyass
~exstasie
~squatter

• Leaving them Negative Feedback because I wouldn't trust dealing with them, as they showed a lack of respect toward other users.

 

[suchmoon]

Nevertheless, I would like to hear from him the reasons why they decided to blatantly ignore any basic rule. I think we at least deserve this.

I wouldn't expect an honest answer from a blatant cheater.

According to @ddmrddmr Merit Dashboard, I credited 75 merits to exstasie, 24 to figmentofmyass and 6 to squatter. I deeply regret those.

Why regret merits sent to presumably good posts? This is a non-issue unless you knew that these are cheating accounts (and arguably even then; cheaters can make good posts too except they tend not to do so without getting paid).

Edit - full disclaimer: I sent tons of merits to those accounts, some possibly after I had reasonable suspicions. Not going to apologize.

[owlcatz]

This is quite disgraceful I applied a few times with never a reply, not that I need the money, but hey, who can't resist btc right?

Sure, my posts may not be 100% awesome or anything, but I do tend to be quite trusted on the forum (by sane people anyhow?)... .... If that even matters anymore ... But I digress... I'm now put off by all sig campaigns if the people running it can't figure out who's blatantly cheating, ffs...

So, to those that say your "trust" position matters in getting into a sig campaign, I have proven you wrong, and I have no problems with that whatsoever!

Let the bulls run, boyz & galz!


Edit well fucking done nutildah, you rock.

[Vod]

I'm now put off by all sig campaigns if the people running it can't figure out who's blatantly cheating, ffs...

Remember Quickseller accused Hhampuz of scamming, but then changed his username to PrimeNumber7 and completely fooled the campaign manager into thinking he was a different person?   Today it seems everyone is so desperate they throw all their ethics away.  :/

[owlcatz]

Remember Quickseller accused Hhampuz of scamming, but then changed his username to PrimeNumber7 and completely fooled the campaign manager into thinking he was a different person?   Today it seems everyone is so desperate they throw all their ethics away.  :/

You really are not kidding. The amount of people I've seen toss their morals to the wind for $$ makes me sorta ill lately.

[Quickseller]

I would be curious if DS would be open to allowing someone in the CM campaign to apply for one of the open spots with the account he is already participating with, so that he could potentailly be paid for 100 posts/week as opposed to 50 posts per week.

I'm pretty sure DarkStar_ won't allow that. This rule is very clear:

1. We will pay a maximum of 50 posts every week.

I've made more than the maximum number of posts in most weeks. I didn't get paid for any posts above that, which is fine.
If you have to compare this to a job, compare it to a high-paying job that expects employees to do unpaid overtime once in a while. Pretending to be someone else to get those hours paid is fraud.

If you often make many more than the 50 post maximum, and there is an open spot, I don't see why DS would not be willing to give you a second spot, so that you would be eligible for payment from 100 posts/week, provided the additional 50 posts you make each week have been consistently better than other applicants who were applying for open spots.

For clarity, while I do think it should be okay for someone to enroll alts in a signature campaign, I also believe this should either be disclosed (at least privately to the campaign manager), or for there to not be a rule prohibiting this. Enrolling two accounts owned by one person is not something that should be done if the campaign manager is not aware, or if there is a rule prohibiting this.