Decline of Marketplace activity/trading

[VoskCoin]

my 2c is literally no one talks about bitcointalk, outside of bitcointalk

no one references ANN threads anymore

Bitcointalk does nothing to grow/improve/innovate + the censorship on here, it's no mystery why bitcointalk is "dying"

Phil made a great point in another thread, ETH is literally BOOMING lol, the VoskCoin YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/voskcoin - is hitting all-time high metrics along with any other successful crypto anything -- so if bitcointalk is not doing well statistically they only have themselves to blame, if they even care, which they don't seem to.

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[malevolent]

While you make some good points, Internet trends have changed, etc., but this is bitcointalk, not altcointalk. At one point in time there were even discussions whether altcoins should be allowed on the forum in the first place.

the censorship on here, it's no mystery why bitcointalk is "dying"

Can you elaborate on the censorship? Many other venues will outright ban you if you start criticizing their pet project too much.

[Vod]

Make a rating system whatever but "99% of alts are shit coins" turns off people.

Thank you for proving and enforcing my point!

Let's start a rating system.  I would not be a good candidate as I have not traded much - but you could lay out a starting blueprint.  Then we could say with 100% certainty that 99.85% (or whatever the number is) of alt coins are shit.

[PrimeNumber7]

Since the time of forum, nothing has changed except the rules and regulations which were mostly focused on how a user will get upgraded to the next level.
We needed the merit system, trust feedbacks etc. so that one can understand how a user is performing or more or less his/her generosity was calculated with it.

I think the thresholds to rank up may be on the high side for merit. In the past, someone could make an average of one post per day and become a 'full member' after about 4 and a half months. Today, many members take much longer to become a full member due to the lack of merit. Granted, a large part of this is due to there being many spammers, and people that post very low quality posts, but I believe there are likely to be people that make good posts that are unable to rank up, or that after a few months of posting will give up on trying to rank up because the amount they are receiving is tracking to take a very long time for them to rank up.

Forum has no way of outward marketing. I mean there could be hundreds of projects around the globe which are quality one and do not know about the BitcoinTalk itself. We are missing out them.

The forum has very good search engine rankings. Any link posted on the forum will have their search engine rankings be improved. This is why so many spammers try to spam their links on the forum, even if the links appear for only a few minutes.

Well if the bull market has any connection into the forum's marketplace activity I think it affected the users in a sense that they are more inclined on hodling their Bitcoin rather than spending it at the moment that is why you will see a lower activity in this areas. People who may have recently joined the forum will most likely go in the speculation or trading discussion sections since the price of Bitcoin is what drive them to join and this new members will most likely buy their Bitcoin on an exchange rather than in the forum and maybe some of our older members here also have done that. So for me this might not be a forum related issue but maybe it has something to do with the price of Bitcoin.

I would think it would be the opposite on both points. If someone has a recently appreciated asset, they can sell part of that asset and still have the same amount of money. I would say that previous bull runs saw an increase in forum trading activity when I would read threads without registering. I would also think a bull run would encourage people to buy some bitcoin and do things to try to make money with their bitcoin.

[OgNasty]

Well I know this is Bitcointalk not cryptocoin talk.

But other coins 🪙 have purpose and value.

This forum has shown a lot of anger an disrespect toward  other coins.

Myself included.

This hurts the forum as a person into Eth may simply see the forum’s title and not look at it all.

I don't think it's limited just to altcoins.  My Bitcoin projects receive just as much grief and disrespect in spite of generating insane returns for investors that blow away any traditional investments and innovating new use cases for crypto that remain far ahead of their time nearly a decade later. 

The issue is a social one with the structure of this forum.  The attempt at a decentralized trust network has empowered those who want to spread lies and create alt accounts, while leaving honest members with a choice that they can look the other way at this behavior or have their trust negatively effected.  This crab in a bucket approach to trying to establish a trust network is one of the worst decisions I've seen a leader make and has directly impacted trading activity here as well as establishing a downward spiral in positive atmosphere.  If you speak out about these issues, you are ganged up on by the usual suspects, cast out of the DT network, and left with negative feedback from whatever made up story they push as the truth.  Until this horrible decision to empower trolls and scammers is rectified, this place can only trend in one direction...

[Vod]

I don't think it's limited just to altcoins.  My Bitcoin projects receive just as much grief and disrespect in spite of generating insane returns for investors that blow away any traditional investments and innovating new use cases for crypto that remain far ahead of their time nearly a decade later.  

OgNasty - do you mean the pirate passthrough that you ran?  You received the grief and disrespect for stealing everyone's coins - how can you not understand that?  Too much cocaine?

Fuck off with your pity, Mr. Trump.

[scammed-by-nitro]

I don't think it's limited just to altcoins.  My Bitcoin projects receive just as much grief and disrespect in spite of generating insane returns for investors that blow away any traditional investments and innovating new use cases for crypto that remain far ahead of their time nearly a decade later.  

OgNasty - do you mean the pirate passthrough that you ran?  You received the grief and disrespect for stealing everyone's coins - how can you not understand that?  Too much cocaine?

Fuck off with your pity, Mr. Trump.

Look who's talking. 3 flags, countless neg feedback but talking like he has anything to say here. Like all the other 20000 posts of this brainless tool.

[Vod]

Look who's talking. 3 flags, countless neg feedback but talking like he has anything to say here. Like all the other 20000 posts of this brainless tool.

OgNasty actually has 5 red flags, and I have one from his pal.  I was just pointing out how the ponzi scammer is complaining how he got negative trust for running a ponzi.

Is this what you meant in your PM threat?  You'll let everyone know how many red flags you think I have? 

[philipma1957]

Look vod and Og we are know you two fight over and over.

But it is not for this thread.

How to encourage people is simple show alt coin section more favor.

look at how much this section sees.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.80
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.120
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.160

four pages of threads for this month


Why is that?

Simple Alt coins are cheap and you can still get lucky.
Also they allow gpu mining which is quiet and can be done in your home.

[Vod]

Look vod and Og we are know you two fight over and over.

Look philipma1957 - 1) Og announced he ran a ponzi.   2) Og announced he lost everything.  3) Og is now claiming his ponzi "received just as much grief and disrespect in spite of generating insane returns for investors that blow away any traditional investments and innovating new use cases for crypto that remain far ahead of their time nearly a decade later. "  He is hinting it was he, and not pirate that brought braindead ponzis into the crypto world.  What an ego.

Yes - he lost thousands of bitcoins, and he's trying to act the victim, and you are defending him.  Do you believe that bullshit, or do you trust him for financial gain?  As long as you trust him, and use hypocrisy as the reason you don't trust me, don't type our names as if we are equal. 

Stop deflecting from his theft.  Until he makes everyone he stole from whole, he cannot post as a regular member here without reaction. Do you expect me to say nothing while he lies?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I apologize for bumping this thread, but I came across it when I searched for "Voskcoin sucks", thinking that I couldn't be the only one who thinks he's one of the worst shills for whoever pays the bills I've ever seen.  Apparently I'd missed this thread or forgotten all about it, but since I was also thinking about bitcointalk's Youtube channel I thought I'd reply.

my 2c is literally no one talks about bitcointalk, outside of bitcointalk

That might be true, but since nobody has any idea of what forums/social media sites/real-life conversations you're basing the conclusion of "no one" on, I think you're just pulling stuff out of your ass.  But hey, glib answers are your specialty.

Phil made a great point in another thread, ETH is literally BOOMING lol, the VoskCoin YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/voskcoin - is hitting all-time high metrics along with any other successful crypto anything -- so if bitcointalk is not doing well statistically they only have themselves to blame, if they even care, which they don't seem to.

Literally booming.  Yet another problem with the popular crypto Youtubers: they don't seem to understand how to speak or write, their vocabulary is limited to pre-high school levels, and given that most of them are whitey-white Americans there's just no excuse for that.

Nice job plugging your channel, btw.  I avoid it every time I see it, and I'd advise others to do the same.  It's unfortunate that a lot of people get their information on crypto from YT instead of, say, bitcointalk or some other source where the ratio of useful stuff to fluff/self-promotion/product shilling is greater than 1:10. 

Regarding the subject of this particular thread, I'd be curious as to whether things have changed or not--plus the argument between Vod and OgNasty likely derailed the discussion completely.  The forum is far from dead, but since I don't generally keep an eye on the marketplace I don't have a sense of how active members are in trading with one another.  It's even been at least a year (maybe) since I visited the Currency Exchange section, but last time I was there it seemed like things were humming along.

And if things aren't still humming along, maybe getting the official Youtube channel in high gear would help....a little at least?  Granted, it doesn't seem like it turned out to be as popular as a lot of us thought it might be, but things could change with time and enough videos.

[PrimeNumber7]

Regarding the subject of this particular thread, I'd be curious as to whether things have changed or not--plus the argument between Vod and OgNasty likely derailed the discussion completely.  The forum is far from dead, but since I don't generally keep an eye on the marketplace I don't have a sense of how active members are in trading with one another.  It's even been at least a year (maybe) since I visited the Currency Exchange section, but last time I was there it seemed like things were humming along.

It appears that marketplace activity has continued to decline since I opened this thread last February. All of the examples I cited in the OP have continued to decline. I am not sure about how ad revenue has been trending.

I haven't looked at specific metrics, but it does feel like the forum is generally slower than it has been in years past.

[NotATether]

It appears that marketplace activity has continued to decline since I opened this thread last February. All of the examples I cited in the OP have continued to decline. I am not sure about how ad revenue has been trending.

I haven't looked at specific metrics, but it does feel like the forum is generally slower than it has been in years past.

That's because all the cross-talk and forcefully close(2)'d pipes have left, so there is naturally much less arguments than in previous years.

I get the feeling that Bitcointalk's high "activity" was largely due to first the ICOs (which we kicked out) and the flame war fanners (most of whom left by themselves) and the scamsters in Digital Goods (exiled but far from gone). It seems mostly quiet here like maybe 2014-2015 levels, and I don't think that it's going to decline further.

[PrimeNumber7]

It appears that marketplace activity has continued to decline since I opened this thread last February. All of the examples I cited in the OP have continued to decline. I am not sure about how ad revenue has been trending.

I haven't looked at specific metrics, but it does feel like the forum is generally slower than it has been in years past.

That's because all the cross-talk and forcefully close(2)'d pipes have left, so there is naturally much less arguments than in previous years.

I get the feeling that Bitcointalk's high "activity" was largely due to first the ICOs (which we kicked out) and the flame war fanners (most of whom left by themselves) and the scamsters in Digital Goods (exiled but far from gone). It seems mostly quiet here like maybe 2014-2015 levels, and I don't think that it's going to decline further.

Lol, I can’t even remember the last time we had a flame war. I think that is probably a good thing, even if they were sometimes entertaining.

I’d probably agree that the lack of flame wars and the associated drama has at least partially contributed to the decline of activity in the forum overall. I don’t think flamewars contributed to marketplace activity though. Flame wars tended to be limited to a fairly small number of threads. I have also noticed that the number of scam attempts in the lending section has all but disappeared. There is/was a sticky in lending that says that scammers will try to scam as little as a dollar in the lending sub. I don’t think scammers have been trying to do that recently.

[eddie13]

If a somewhat new account here posts anything for sale or any service deal the first thing that will happen is someone who has no interest in the deal whatsoever will demand that they use a paid escrow service..

This person is not going to want to pay a tax (escrow fee), or may not trust just sending some random escrow their money (no matter how much YOU trust this escrow, they may not), and this user is going to resist..

Gonna get slapped with red trust for refusing escrow..
He never comes back..

A newer user/project can't even start a signature campaign without being harped on about using some escrow unknown to them and may well get red tagged just for refusing escrow..

Anything with a slight scam risk their is going to be 1,000 posts about it trying to force a padded room..

[UserU]

If a somewhat new account here posts anything for sale or any service deal the first thing that will happen is someone who has no interest in the deal whatsoever will demand that they use a paid escrow service..

This person is not going to want to pay a tax (escrow fee), or may not trust just sending some random escrow their money (no matter how much YOU trust this escrow, they may not), and this user is going to resist..

Gonna get slapped with red trust for refusing escrow..
He never comes back..

A newer user/project can't even start a signature campaign without being harped on about using some escrow unknown to them and may well get red tagged just for refusing escrow..

Anything with a slight scam risk their is going to be 1,000 posts about it trying to force a padded room..

Even old timers find it hard to trade here. when there are other sites with way higher liquidity and turnaround time, and not being bound to 1000's terms and conditions.

[eddie13]

Look at this..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2207664

Almost 600 posts and only 7 merit..

I know this guy, kinda..
Got his old IMZ account hacked a long time ago..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=330540

This is as legit of a bitcointalk user/poster as it gets..

7 merit!!
7!

[Mpamaegbu]

It's unfortunate that a lot of people get their information on crypto from YT instead of, say, bitcointalk

I've wondered this too myself but then I remembered how I got on this forum. It was through a search online that led me to CMC and then I clicked on a link that brought me to this forum. I think there's no much visibility for BTT on YouTube, that's why.

Gonna get slapped with red trust for refusing escrow..
He never comes back..

True. Sadly true and this I believe hasn't helped advance this forum in a better light. These aggrieved users will then exit the forum with a negative opinion of it.

This is as legit of a bitcointalk user/poster as it gets..

7 merit!!
7!

This is why I've continued to maintain that meriting posts is subjective. Users don't always merit posts because they find them that constructive. Most times, it's from bias towards particular users they're familiar with. Thanks for finding that user and meriting them.

[PrimeNumber7]

If a somewhat new account here posts anything for sale or any service deal the first thing that will happen is someone who has no interest in the deal whatsoever will demand that they use a paid escrow service..

This person is not going to want to pay a tax (escrow fee), or may not trust just sending some random escrow their money (no matter how much YOU trust this escrow, they may not), and this user is going to resist..

Gonna get slapped with red trust for refusing escrow..
He never comes back..

A newer user/project can't even start a signature campaign without being harped on about using some escrow unknown to them and may well get red tagged just for refusing escrow..

Anything with a slight scam risk their is going to be 1,000 posts about it trying to force a padded room..

I think what you have described before has happened in the past, but I don't think that often happens today. While I don't think that any (new) user should have to use any particular escrow service on the forum, or even an escrow service on the forum in general, however, if someone is attempting to do business and cannot articulate a plan in which his trading partner is unlikely to lose money from the perspective of a neutral person, I think it is reasonable to say that it is not safe to trade with said person.

I would point back to the decline of flame wars on the forum as being similar to the lack of 1000 posts being made when there is a slight scam risk.

[OgNasty]

If a somewhat new account here posts anything for sale or any service deal the first thing that will happen is someone who has no interest in the deal whatsoever will demand that they use a paid escrow service..

This person is not going to want to pay a tax (escrow fee), or may not trust just sending some random escrow their money (no matter how much YOU trust this escrow, they may not), and this user is going to resist..

Gonna get slapped with red trust for refusing escrow..
He never comes back..

A newer user/project can't even start a signature campaign without being harped on about using some escrow unknown to them and may well get red tagged just for refusing escrow..

Anything with a slight scam risk their is going to be 1,000 posts about it trying to force a padded room..

It’s not just newbies that are forced out in this way. Even after more than a decade of protecting user funds with having handled more than 20,000 BTC of escrows and paid out over 700 BTC to community members through my mining operations, as well as safeguarding more than 500 BTC for this website, people still attack me and use the trust system to get extortionists in DT as a way to punish me for my efforts. Just look at who still has Vod in their trust networks after it’s been proven as factual that he lied about me and tried to extort me for millions. It’s a joke that these same people claim to be for the good of this site. Until this is addressed, as I said before… Trading activity will only continue to trend in one direction.