ChipMixer directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders..

[Vod]

I guess you are rich too. Either morally or financially.  

Financially, I am not rich.   I have a nice house/car but I can't afford luxuries like an in ground pool.  I never thought of scamming bitcoin as a profession.    Morally, I am - thanks. 

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[eddie13]

It is their core customer base and business model...
How do you feel knowing that your sig profits are coming directly from the fees of the most egregious criminals you can imagine as they successfully evade every law you advocate for?

If you don’t like it take your CM signatures off, because this is the reality of the situation.. Like it or not..
Where do your principles REALLY lye?
The truth hurts Doesn’t it?

Let’s see someone explain to me how you can wear a CM sig and not hold the principles of an anarchist..
Ready for the word-salad trying to explain this away..


Inspired by my post here ..
And..

I think this would be a very good subject for another topic!

Ok.. I have some free time..

Wait...

Are you telling me that you wouldn't wear a CM sig if the Camp. Manager offered you a spot?

That's rich.

Must have missed your post..

I would sure yeah.. I have applied a few times..

I think more problems are caused by trying to stop such things than you would have in the first place if you just accepted that it is what happens..

Did you read the thread?
It’s basically in reply to a bunch of users telling me how terrible anarchic freedom is, how it isn’t reality, when I said that’s what you should expect to happen in crypto (especially surrounding CM), but yet they all support ChipMixer..

Confuses me..

Atleast Vod is actually openly against CM, while others are lovers of rule, order, and regulation, yet support CM to the bitter end..


@QS yeah.. Leftist, liberal, progressive, whatever..
Anything left of a constitutionalist is “left” to me..

[mindrust]

Must have missed your post..

I would sure yeah.. I have applied a few times..

I think more problems are caused by trying to stop such things than you would have in the first place if you just accepted that it is what happens..

Did you read the thread?
It’s basically in reply to a bunch of users telling me how terrible anarchic freedom is, how it isn’t reality, when I said that’s what you should expect to happen in crypto (especially surrounding CM), but yet they all support ChipMixer..

Confuses me..

Atleast Vod is actually openly against CM, while others are lovers of rule, order, and regulation, yet support CM to the bitter end..

@QS yeah.. Leftist, liberal, progressive, whatever..
Anything left of a constitutionalist is “left” to me..

Now I get your point. There is some contradiction indeed.

I bet some of those CM people cheered for Trump's perma-ban by the Big-tech. If you ask them some of them will tell you that he deserved it all and even worse because he was lying but then following the same logic the government should take CM down as well because pedos/terrorists/money launderers use CM which is a worse crime than lying.

But when it comes to CM the narrative changes 100%, "Freedom, privacy, etc etc"

People are not 100% consistent creatures. If you pay the right price you would even be able to hire people that would promote the direct scams like yobit.

I carry a casino sig. Do you think I don't know that gambling ruins many people's lives? I do. I don't care anyway. Yobit promoters were using the same kind of defense now I remember. "I carry that scam sig but I don't give a damn if people buy those scam coins. I am not making them buy!" Their defense kind of made sense actually. Just because I carry a casino sig doesn't mean you should wager all of your life savings.

People took negative ratings for promoting LiveCoin in their signatures. I remember that one too.

Humans...

[stompix]

But why only ChipMixer, when there are other

Because the others don't have a signature campaign around here so people cant' get, let's call them mixed feeling about it, the majority of users in the CM campaign are also on DT and this leads to another clusterfuck of problems and last but not least because when you talk how bad soda is everyone points at Coca-Cola, not at VitaCola or Kola Shaler.

How do you feel knowing that your sig profits are coming directly from the fees of the most egregious criminals you can imagine as they successfully evade every law you advocate for?

Ignoring the fact that you obviously have no proof about it, I sincerely doubt any criminal mastermind will only use chipmixer to launder or hide its coins, probably you'll have to take your rant to xmr, binance, wasabi, and a lot more, which is not really what you're aiming at, isn't it?  You could have done this topic about any signature out here, aren't casino evilz too?
But I'm wondering why you've chosen to direct it at CM and not call from the start those users who you think are selling their souls and beliefs for 6$ a post as your attack looks a bit, weird, I would say, especially of this!

Imagine for a moment if Jews in the holocaust had the great tool of Bitcoin available to them (along with supporting tools such as ChipMixer)..
They could have sent funds abroad to aid in their rescue instead of it being confiscated by the Nazi government, they could have fled to safety and kept their wealth with them in Bitcoin rather than fleeing with nothing to fund their journey,<>

So, what changed between the holocaust and pedophilia?
Probably not bitcoin, not chipmixer, not the ones using chipmixer but some of the people on this forum, so again, why aren't you pointing them out username after username?

[eddie13]

Maybe I shouldn’t have used such a clickbait title??

the majority of users in the CM campaign are also on DT and this leads to another clusterfuck of problems

Short and sweet..
Leftists on DT flying CM please explain..

[stompix]

Maybe I shouldn’t have used such a clickbait title??

While you're at the point of debating your own path to reach the sixth level of meditation and preparing your questions for Kakusandha maybe you should also think twice before picking one line of the entire comment and use it as another beehive flogger.

If that holocaust mention was not good enough to make you think twice what's your real view on the issue, let's have another brain test on it, DT members are the ones tagging scammers here, criminal and scammers are using mixers, DT members who are supporting CM are getting money from the ones they tag, interesting, right? Or should we say that scammers who have been tagged by DT members are sponsoring them, you see what happens when you don't attack the issue directly and point fingers!?!

Leftists on DT flying CM please explain..

I know already Flying Hellfish is a commie I'm itching to know who the leftists are?
So, who are those "leftist", "progressive" "liberals" who are whoring their ideals for $?
I hope you're not talking about the one you've just funded with around 1000 worth of posts in that bet, making you a supporter of the cause 
See how fucked up everything is? 

[Quickseller]

Liberals tend to be willing to bend their principals when it comes to them earning money.

Take Disney for example.

What definition of "liberal" is this? I would probably say that most companies, once they reach a certain size, concentrate more on the bottom line than any idealized values. The whole goal is to unify labor/skills to earn capital after all.

I said above that I should have used the term "leftist" instead of liberal. In my Disney example, they were giving up potential profits in order to exert political pressure, but their stated concerns were not genuine because they are willing to look the other way when it comes to concentration camps run by the CCP.

The OP is a tangent to this post. I think the OP's concern is that so many people were comparing FOMA to a criminal who has caused very real harm to people for enrolling three alt accounts in the CM signature campaign, while CM itself helps actual real criminals evade detection and launder their money.

What FOMA did was wrong, but it was wrong because it involved deception. He did not steal from anyone, including CM, or otherwise hurt anyone. FOMA did provide benefits to the forum for being around by making many insightful posts -- I don't know if having him around was a net benefit, but I do think that is something open for discussion. CM on the other hand, helps criminals who have stolen money make it difficult for authorities to detect that this money is stolen -- in other words CM helps thiefs get away with stealing. As mentioned before I believe having CM around is a net benefit, but it is hypocritical to have zero tolerance for deception, and then turn around and be willing to look the other way when the company you are receiving payment from is profiting from illegal activity that harms people.

[eddie13]

If that holocaust mention was not good enough to make you think twice what's your real view

I wrote that, my view hasn’t changed..
I think you didn’t read and just replied to the title bro..

nothing about this has anything to do with American politics

Excuse me.. Maybe someone could have mistaken my mentioned placement on the political compass as “Chinese constitutionalism” if you hadn’t clarified..

[actmyname]

What FOMA did was wrong, but it was wrong because it involved deception. He did not steal from anyone, including CM, or otherwise hurt anyone. FOMA did provide benefits to the forum for being around by making many insightful posts -- I don't know if having him around was a net benefit, but I do think that is something open for discussion. CM on the other hand, helps criminals who have stolen money make it difficult for authorities to detect that this money is stolen -- in other words CM helps thiefs get away with stealing. As mentioned before I believe having CM around is a net benefit, but it is hypocritical to have zero tolerance for deception, and then turn around and be willing to look the other way when the company you are receiving payment from is profiting from illegal activity that harms people.

Like I said previously, people who want to defend the CM service alongside the community backlash against FOMA can probably make some argument based on the difference of granularity - probably something to do with the significance of their impact on the system/platform.

Truthfully, it seems like too much offal shit to untangle - wrapped up in a package that even a haggis unlikely to check. Anyone that eddie13 is accusing directly - names, c'mon - should probably have more reasons than the same old fiat/btc argument because those are (more or less) mutually exclusive choices. I have no desire to spin a sheet of rhetoric with that defense.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I can think alt accounts are good and support people being able to use them, while also thinking that people who use them to evade bans or break campaign rules should be punished. People using them to break the rules is not an argument against their existence.

I can think ChipMixer is good and support people being able to use it, while also thinking that people who use it to scam others should be punished. People using it to scam others is not an argument against its existence.

[DaveF]

Or, you could say that ChipMixer makes it easier to anonymize your BTC through an automated method instead of doing it yourself.

There are plenty of exchanges out there that you can sign up for while sitting in a coffee shop using their free Wi-Fi with a protonmail email address.

"Dirty coins" -> exchange into another coin -> withdraw to another exchange -> back to BTC -> Withdraw to your wallet.

Or you can use Samourai Whirlpool, you can even run it yourself fairly easily.
There are other ways too. These are just the ones that come to mind while having my morning coffee.

-Dave

[suchmoon]

This is a discussion forum first and foremost. If someone doesn't want to participate unless they get paid, let alone on multiple accounts, fuck them with a bag of nails. I'd rather have theymos get rid of signatures or close the forum for good than turn this into a shithole where cheating for a few satoshis is defended with some misguided pseudo-anarchist dogma.

In a place dominated by bitcoin maximalists it's absurdly bizarre to see pretty much zero respect for the discussion platform itself. Sockpuppets, spammers, scammers, plagiarists, trolls, cheaters get white glove treatment because... muh free speech? They're not speaking, they're screwing with your misplaced trust that the decentralized trustless nature of Bitcoin will somehow make this forum different from any other online community. It won't. If you don't fight sockpuppeting and trolling and spamming it will take over. If you derive pleasure from that sewage that's fine but then you could just stay on facebook and not bother with this place.

I have a feeling that none of you self-proclaimed anarchists would survive more than 5 minutes in a real zombie-apocalypse type of anarchy. Awwww he looks like a real human because he shares my political views... boom, you're dead and your bitcoins/merits/trust ratings canned goods and guns are now in a possession of an account farming scammer a person who's technically a "net benefit" to the anarchist utopia.

But hey, since shitheads use Chipmixer, and good people use Chipmixer, good people shouldn't fight shitheads... or good people should become shitheads, because we can't have any shades of gray whatsoever.

[mindrust]

Or, you could say that ChipMixer makes it easier to anonymize your BTC through an automated method instead of doing it yourself.

There are plenty of exchanges out there that you can sign up for while sitting in a coffee shop using their free Wi-Fi with a protonmail email address.

"Dirty coins" -> exchange into another coin -> withdraw to another exchange -> back to BTC -> Withdraw to your wallet.

Or you can use Samourai Whirlpool, you can even run it yourself fairly easily.
There are other ways too. These are just the ones that come to mind while having my morning coffee.

-Dave

Freebitco.in doesn't give a damn about your coins' history and you can almost take it back immediately. Boom, you cleaned up your coins almost instantly and paid probably a lot less than what you would pay CM. (not trying to ruin a good business but facts are facts.)

[suchmoon]

a lot less than what you would pay CM

A lot less than zero? How does that work?

[mindrust]

a lot less than what you would pay CM

A lot less than zero? How does that work?

I wasn't aware of that CM was working for free. Is that true? Sounds like a bad business practice. I mean why would anyone work for free? Were they collecting donations? Too lazy to check it now.

[suchmoon]

Too lazy to check it now.

It's fine, this is not a thread where facts or logic matters.

[Laudanum]

Too lazy to check it now.

It's fine, this is not a thread where facts or logic matters.

Ah you'll be fine then. Looking for a win from you on this one lol

The virtue signalling DT are full of shit. They promote gambling, mixing even proven scams ...what was that shady one everyone else was dumping due to their actions but nutildah clung on until the last moment.

DT1 dont give a fuck about scams really,  or stomping out anything that will enable and facilitate scamming.
They will mostly allow anything or if they can get paid some $

Chipmixer is not that bad the company and what they do. Their sig campaign manager dark_star I had previously thought was fair and se sible has proven himself to be a scumbag and will employ proven trust abusers and scammer supporters and confirmed serious racists. Not that I'm one for crying racist every 5 mins until it is meaningless.

But these DT dogs will point the finger at anything or any excuse. Let them live by their own strict rules they seek to push on others.

Chipmixer campaign manager is a coward and pussy. He will not even dare debate the suitability and scammy pasts of those he pays to abuse this forum and crush free speech.

Suchmoon got her nose in the trough now too.

Nutildah is running around green with envy trying to bust anyone on chipmixer so they get their nose in there instead.
What is that greedy little sneaky loser and scam facilitator doing probing deep into chipmixer spammers wallets. Envious and he sees their dust accumulating faster than his own lol

He's a radical left wing peasant angry at any and all success fairly achieved by others. I mean I'm in the middle perhaps leaning left a little on important issues really but this guy is a typical chip on shoulder radical left loser.

I cant wait for them to get on chipmixer. He's the last clearly financially dangerous scumbag left here. Chipmixer will open itself to all kinds of questions when nutildah gets on there. What's taking so long I thought the willing scam facilitator for pay who deletes his post history when caught and trust abusers those that busted him hard should be on the payroll by now.

I have the thread all ready to go vroom vroom lol

Chipmixer service good and useful but does help scum bags too
Chipmixer campaign manager corrupt or mad
Chipmixer posters here wearing their sig are generally dirty and scammer protectors or enablers.

A couple of exceptions. 

[mindrust]

Too lazy to check it now.

It's fine, this is not a thread where facts or logic matters.

Actually eddie has a point. His post isn't that logic-less. The thread is fine. I made a mistake though. I admit.

[suchmoon]

Too lazy to check it now.

It's fine, this is not a thread where facts or logic matters.

Actually eddie has a point. His post isn't that logic-less. The thread is fine.

He might have had a somewhat fritzy but potent idea to catch some of those hypothetical hypocritical communists supporting the beacon of libertarian criminal paradise that is CM but I think it got buried in fallacies before the end of page 1. On a broader note, this forum should be one of those places where (outside of P&S perhaps) it doesn't matter what your political beliefs are and whether that jibes with someone else's beliefs of how your beliefs should work, so it was really DOA.

[eddie13]

Anyone that eddie13 is accusing directly - names, c'mon

This is merely intellectual, not accusational..