Will Trump be indicted ?

[suchmoon]

Thanks for this clarification  
It can be all a bit confusing since in my country, Venezuela, the whole system of political affiliation and registration is different. Here it is mostly like having a card and being part of a tree house club. So I am not well informed of the legal, social or political implications, duties and rights which may come from being a registered Republican or Democrat.

Though, I have noticed that it has been something which is used by people on internet to add a label to criminals and mass murderers immediately after a tragedy, I recall people point out the Las Vegas massacre murderer was alledgely a registered democrat, that was a falsehood, though.

Registration is typically required for voting but some states allow same day registration (i.e. basically you come with proof of citizenship in election day and can vote). In some other states though you need to register well in advance so that might be a bit of a bummer although not unique. Generally speaking, most countries will probably want to know you exist as a voter and where you live (for local election purposes) and the US doesn't really have a resident registration system that some other countries do, so there is a voter registration system. It's not so much about the party, just about being able to vote.

The slightly stupid part is that some states require you to choose democrat or republican (no "independent" option) but since that doesn't really affect how you vote it's just one of those things you have to learn to live with.

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[Hispo]

Thanks for this clarification  
It can be all a bit confusing since in my country, Venezuela, the whole system of political affiliation and registration is different. Here it is mostly like having a card and being part of a tree house club. So I am not well informed of the legal, social or political implications, duties and rights which may come from being a registered Republican or Democrat.

Though, I have noticed that it has been something which is used by people on internet to add a label to criminals and mass murderers immediately after a tragedy, I recall people point out the Las Vegas massacre murderer was alledgely a registered democrat, that was a falsehood, though.

Registration is typically required for voting but some states allow same day registration (i.e. basically you come with proof of citizenship in election day and can vote). In some other states though you need to register well in advance so that might be a bit of a bummer although not unique. Generally speaking, most countries will probably want to know you exist as a voter and where you live (for local election purposes) and the US doesn't really have a resident registration system that some other countries do, so there is a voter registration system. It's not so much about the party, just about being able to vote.

The slightly stupid part is that some states require you to choose democrat or republican (no "independent" option) but since that doesn't really affect how you vote it's just one of those things you have to learn to live with.

Well, here one needs to register well in advance before being able to vote. When I got myself registered I had to stand up for 8 hours, before I could finally get my turn. They take our data, address, etc.

I have read in recent years that the right to vote itself has been a debate topic there in the United States. I have seen democrats saying Republicans are trying to suppress the vote of groups of people who are likely to vote blue. On the other hand, I have seen Republicans accusing Democrats of a little bit of everything, from vote fraud to try to grand voting rights to people who are not supposed to have them.

How true are those allegations from both sides?

[suchmoon]

How true are those allegations from both sides?

The election day is Tuesday. That alone is truly fucked up if you excuse my French. Low wage hourly employees don't get the day off to vote or can't afford to lose hours of paid time. Most other countries vote on weekends and/or allow long early voting periods. In the US early vote and mail-in vote is a favorite GOP straw man for "voter fraud", which hasn't been really proven to exist on any appreciable scale but is a scare slogan for restricting said types of voting (e.g. make it difficult to get early ballots, limit the number and convenience of locations to drop them off, etc) without blatantly saying "we don't want poor/young/brown people to vote".

Then there is the whole gerrymandering issue.

I think Republicans tend to do more suppression because higher voter turnout is typically more favorable to Democrats.

[Hispo]

How true are those allegations from both sides?

The election day is Tuesday. That alone is truly fucked up if you excuse my French. Low wage hourly employees don't get the day off to vote or can't afford to lose hours of paid time. Most other countries vote on weekends and/or allow long early voting periods. In the US early vote and mail-in vote is a favorite GOP straw man for "voter fraud", which hasn't been really proven to exist on any appreciable scale but is a scare slogan for restricting said types of voting (e.g. make it difficult to get early ballots, limit the number and convenience of locations to drop them off, etc) without blatantly saying "we don't want poor/young/brown people to vote".

Then there is the whole gerrymandering issue.

I think Republicans tend to do more suppression because higher voter turnout is typically more favorable to Democrats.

Well, typically here voting days are set to be on Sundays all day, so people can participate easier. 

Yes, I have seen Republicans slashing against early voting, specially durig the pandemic and lockdown context. But funnily enough, some of them have realized that going against early voting and encourage their voting base to only vote in person could have created a disadvantage to themselves. Republicans would have had more chances of winning in 2020 if they were encouraged to use the same tools and mechanisms to vote more comfortably, as democrat voters did.

I can get the GOP has internalized some racism and dislike the poor, but trying to exclude the youth instead trying to appeal to them is a huge mistake, they may be dooming the future of their party. Imo.

[BADecker]

The tables are starting to turn against Biden's team, and in favor of Trump.


Federal Judge Makes Big Trump Decision - She Derails the Prosecution With 1 Bold Move


https://pjnewsletter.com/federal-judge-trump-decision-derail/
Joe Biden's DOJ has indicted Trump so many times, it's hard to keep track of them all. Few Americans believe these indictments are really about the charges–and not attempts at derailing the 2024 Election. Joe Biden is such a bad candidate, that Democrats appear to be going out of their way to manipulate the election.

The special counsel running most of these trials is a leftist named Jack Smith. Smith is running the case against Trump out of Florida–accusing him of a variety of crimes over boxes of paperwork he kept at his house. But Smith has a big problem, a judge that refuses to let politics interfere with justice. And she just shut down the left's scheme.

From Fox News:

Judge Aileen Cannon of the Southern District of Florida – who is presiding over the case stemming from a Miami grand jury's June indictment of Trump – denied the Department of Justice's (DOJ) request for sealed filings, striking two from the record. Cannon also requested additional information from prosecutors regarding the continued use of an out-of-state grand jury to investigate the case.

Ouch. It looks as if Judge Cannon is not at all pleased with how Jack Smith is conducting his prosecution. She denied attempts by the DOJ's lapdog to seal the filings, which would have prevented the public from learning what is going on.

She also is demanding answers from this prosecutor over why he keeps using an out-of-district grand jury to run his case. Some have suggested that Smith is using a grand jury in a district that has more people with anti-Trump leanings. All so he can have an advantage in railroading the former president.
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[sirazimuth]

The tables are starting to turn against Biden's team, and in favor of Trump.

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Joe Biden's DOJ has indicted Trump so many times, it's hard to keep track of them all. Few Americans believe these indictments are really about the charges–and not attempts at derailing the 2024 Election. Joe Biden is such a bad candidate, that Democrats appear to be going out of their way to manipulate the election.

The special counsel running most of these trials is a leftist named Jack Smith. Smith is running the case against Trump out of Florida–accusing him of a variety of crimes over boxes of paperwork he kept at his house. But Smith has a big problem, a judge that refuses to let politics interfere with justice. And she just shut down the left's scheme.

From Fox News:

Judge Aileen Cannon of the Southern District of Florida – who is presiding over the case stemming from a Miami grand jury's June indictment of Trump – denied the Department of Justice's (DOJ) request for sealed filings, striking two from the record. Cannon also requested additional information from prosecutors regarding the continued use of an out-of-state grand jury to investigate the case.

Ouch. It looks as if Judge Cannon is not at all pleased with how Jack Smith is conducting his prosecution. She denied attempts by the DOJ's lapdog to seal the filings, which would have prevented the public from learning what is going on.

She also is demanding answers from this prosecutor over why he keeps using an out-of-district grand jury to run his case. Some have suggested that Smith is using a grand jury in a district that has more people with anti-Trump leanings. All so he can have an advantage in railroading the former president.
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Hey Bud, do a little research beyond your retarded right wingnut disinformation conspiracy theory websites and Faux News and you will realize this "judge" is a total Trump lackey who doesn't know shit from Shinola.
She was appointed by Trump after he was voted out of office and she has practically zero trial experience. Look it up.
She has already been overturned by an appellate court in a ruling she made last year in the classified docs case because she totally fucked up.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/08/egal-experts-blast-judge-aileen-cannons-latest-pro-trump-rulings

[BADecker]

The tables are starting to turn against Biden's team, and in favor of Trump.

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Joe Biden's DOJ has indicted Trump so many times, it's hard to keep track of them all. Few Americans believe these indictments are really about the charges–and not attempts at derailing the 2024 Election. Joe Biden is such a bad candidate, that Democrats appear to be going out of their way to manipulate the election.

The special counsel running most of these trials is a leftist named Jack Smith. Smith is running the case against Trump out of Florida–accusing him of a variety of crimes over boxes of paperwork he kept at his house. But Smith has a big problem, a judge that refuses to let politics interfere with justice. And she just shut down the left's scheme.

From Fox News:

Judge Aileen Cannon of the Southern District of Florida – who is presiding over the case stemming from a Miami grand jury's June indictment of Trump – denied the Department of Justice's (DOJ) request for sealed filings, striking two from the record. Cannon also requested additional information from prosecutors regarding the continued use of an out-of-state grand jury to investigate the case.

Ouch. It looks as if Judge Cannon is not at all pleased with how Jack Smith is conducting his prosecution. She denied attempts by the DOJ's lapdog to seal the filings, which would have prevented the public from learning what is going on.

She also is demanding answers from this prosecutor over why he keeps using an out-of-district grand jury to run his case. Some have suggested that Smith is using a grand jury in a district that has more people with anti-Trump leanings. All so he can have an advantage in railroading the former president.
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Hey Bud, do a little research beyond your retarded right wingnut disinformation conspiracy theory websites and Faux News and you will realize this "judge" is a total Trump lackey who doesn't know shit from Shinola.
She was appointed by Trump after he was voted out of office and she has practically zero trial experience. Look it up.
She has already been overturned by an appellate court in a ruling she made last year in the classified docs case because she totally fucked up.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/08/egal-experts-blast-judge-aileen-cannons-latest-pro-trump-rulings

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As I said. The tables are starting to turn against Biden and his team. Consider. Have the charges been dropped? Has the prosecution gone away? No... to both of these.

Judge Cannon made a move in the right direction. The charges against Trump are trumped up, and she is willing to rule in a direction that is right. Bravo for her. But her ruling can be overturned, possibly. Even Trump has to start somewhere. This is part of his start to fight back.

Any of you jokers who are simple, honest people, and not some kind of troll, are really mixed up if you are against Trump. It's kinda like this:

Let's say that Trump is actually doing something bad against you (which he is not, BTW). Let's say he has a 45 pistol pointed at you, and looks like he is ready to pull the trigger. Bad Trump. But you forget this...

Biden and his crew are dozens, all with machine guns pointed at you, and they seem to have already pulled their triggers. Wanna see it? Just look at the economy, and the direction it's going. Prices of a whole lot of things have more than doubled. Companies are shutting down. New car sales have dropped to almost nothing.

Trump brought the economy back into a powerful position in only 4 years. But Biden made it worse than it ever was in less than 3 years.

And as if that wasn't enough, and since this post is about Trump, now Biden is going after Trump criminally, to destroy whatever good is left.

You jokers are really mixed up... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.


It Was Biden Russian Collusion All Along!


https://banned.video/watch?id=64d424a3eb383262dcc64f3a
It's beginning to look like the entire Trump Russian collusion narrative was actually about Joe Biden! Now we now of more millions paid to the Biden's from Russian Oligarchs and other countries. Meanwhile, Michigan Police and The Gateway Pundit have uncovered what might lead to the biggest reveal on how Democrats cheat to win elections. Jim Hoft joins the show to discuss the discovery. Chris Sky is in the studio to talk about his journey to the United States and taking his tour to America.
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[sirazimuth]

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Typical reply, Bud.
You did not address my point about the judge being a Trump toadie, but just went off on a retarded tangent with your normal deluded diatribe drivel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WddHQHbLtx4

Damn it! Why am I feeding the resident p+s troll again?
...Must of been that tasty nip I just quaffed to start off my lovely summer weekend.

[BADecker]

blah blah....

Typical reply, Bud.
You did not address my point about the judge being a Trump toadie, but just went off on a retarded tangent with your normal deluded diatribe drivel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WddHQHbLtx4

Damn it! Why am I feeding the resident p+s troll again?
...Must of be been that tasty nip I just quaffed to start off my lovely summer weekend.

Thanks for the advertising.

Have you notice how this section in the forum is losing a lot of interest? Now that people are finding out that Trump is good, and that Biden is bad, and that Russia is beating the crap out of Ukraine, and that the US is embarrassed about it, what else is there to talk about?

Your advertising helps the section stay alive.

[o48o]

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Have you notice how this section in the forum is losing a lot of interest?
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Mainly because we don't have to care or worry anymore and democrats can move to building the country. Right wing republicans might be lunatics, but adults are in charge, and now we have just to wait. Things take time to go trough proper channels. Trump is most likely going to jail and your disinformation links can't do anything about that. I know that you must be fired up about that as you need to make new conspiracy theories how Trump is still in charge of his prison block.

[BADecker]

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Have you notice how this section in the forum is losing a lot of interest?
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Mainly because we don't have to care or worry anymore and democrats can move to building the country. Right wing republicans might be lunatics, but adults are in charge, and now we have just to wait. Things take time to go trough proper channels. Trump is most likely going to jail and your disinformation links can't do anything about that. I know that you must be fired up about that as you need to make new conspiracy theories how Trump is still in charge of his prison block.

Another like I was talking about. Trying to predict the future. And if it goes your way, you'll be all up and in my face like, "See? I'm good. I knew it."

I know, I know. You are angry. Was your mommy mean to you when you were a kid? You probably don't really know what you are angry about. But Trump was there, so might as well be angry at him. Not for any reason, of course. Just gotta be angry at somebody big.

Meanwhile Biden is screwing many people over many times worse than Trump could even think to be. Just think. All those deaths in the Ukraine war. Biden extended them way beyond what they would have been without his support. If Trump had been there, there wouldn't even have been any war.

You ignorant jokers are dishonest as the day is long, and that's why you are joining the Biden crooks who are in office. You think Biden is going to make you all rich. You're like the Russians who cheered Stalin, until they woke up dead from one of his death squads.

[TwitchySeal]

Haven't seen badecker get this emotional before.  The indictments seem to be getting to him.

[Hispo]

By the way, has anyone one of you taken a look at the fake electors scheme lately?
Yesterday, I heard a phone interview of one of the people charged with trying to pose as a fake elector for the State of Michigan (I think that was the state).

She said that literally was invited to a Republican meeting and make her sign on a paper as a delegate, however she alledges that later someone took her signature and used it on a fake electoral document so she could have her fake vote to Donald Trump, replacing Biden's victory in the State.

She is a woman in her 70s, it would be terrifying to even consider one could spend the rest of ones natural life in prison because a stolen signature (assuming she is not lying, tho)

[BADecker]

Trump got himself into trouble when he agreed to let the attorneys and the judge make the decisions of the court. Because of this, it just might be exactly as this judge says.


As Hearing Begins, Evidence Of Bias Mounts Against DC Judge


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trumps-dc-judge-evidence-bias
Update (1030ET): With regard to bias we thought the following comments from the hearing this morning may also elucidate some of Judge Chutkan's views...

"Mr Trump, like every American, has a First Amendment right to free speech. But that right is not absolute."

"A defendant's free speech is subject to conditions," Chutkan adds, noting that such speech must "yield to the orderly administration of justice."

We don't think that's how it works judge...
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[sirazimuth]

Haven't seen badecker get this emotional before.  The indictments seem to be getting to him.

He's like my favorite wind up toy.

...... what else is there to talk about?

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I'm sure you will think of something Bud ...and start another ultra intriguing, uber intelligent thread about it.

And to get back on topic....
Upcoming Georgia indictment, looks like Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is gonna have a problem
squeezing in her indictment date because looks like Donny has a very busy schedule to wit....

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-are-the-legal-cases-against-donald-trump.html

Oh yeah, and don't forget about this one... Not many folks are aware of this scammy ass fraud that grifter Trump orchestrated and now he is getting sued...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5z3g_gjqH

[BADecker]

Everyday Trump gets stronger with the people. And its the Deep State that is making him strong by stupid and useless accusations. The only question left is, if the Deep State causes an election steal in 2024 like they did in 2020, will the people do something about it this time?


Trump Coming Back Is Already Spooking Western Elites


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-coming-back-already-spooking-western-elites
Should western elites and even NATO itself be afraid of Donald Trump returning to the White House in 2024? It's an entirely valid question given that the elites' own 'news' website in Brussels – Politico – penned a piece recently which argued not only should they be bothered, but they should also prepare themselves for it right now.

Trump's return as U.S. president is looking more and more inevitable by the day, driven by the nefarious meddling of the Biden administration and its determination to put him into jail, where they, erroneously, think his bid for the White House ends.

Even the most obscure French MP which Politico wheeled out to endorse its article accepts this, so what would 2024 look like with Trump back in the Oval Office for Europeans?
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[TwitchySeal]

Everyday Trump gets stronger with the people. And its the Deep State that is making him strong by stupid and useless accusations. The only question left is, if the Deep State causes an election steal in 2024 like they did in 2020, will the people do something about it this time?


Trump Coming Back Is Already Spooking Western Elites


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-coming-back-already-spooking-western-elites
Should western elites and even NATO itself be afraid of Donald Trump returning to the White House in 2024? It's an entirely valid question given that the elites' own 'news' website in Brussels – Politico – penned a piece recently which argued not only should they be bothered, but they should also prepare themselves for it right now.

Trump's return as U.S. president is looking more and more inevitable by the day, driven by the nefarious meddling of the Biden administration and its determination to put him into jail, where they, erroneously, think his bid for the White House ends.

Even the most obscure French MP which Politico wheeled out to endorse its article accepts this, so what would 2024 look like with Trump back in the Oval Office for Europeans?
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Yes.  Any country or alliance that values democracy should be concerned about Trump winning the 2024 election.  This is just common sense.

Countries like Russia, North Korea and China, on the other hand, should be concerned about Biden winning the 2024 election.

[BADecker]

Everyday Trump gets stronger with the people. And its the Deep State that is making him strong by stupid and useless accusations. The only question left is, if the Deep State causes an election steal in 2024 like they did in 2020, will the people do something about it this time?


Trump Coming Back Is Already Spooking Western Elites


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-coming-back-already-spooking-western-elites
Should western elites and even NATO itself be afraid of Donald Trump returning to the White House in 2024? It's an entirely valid question given that the elites' own 'news' website in Brussels – Politico – penned a piece recently which argued not only should they be bothered, but they should also prepare themselves for it right now.

Trump's return as U.S. president is looking more and more inevitable by the day, driven by the nefarious meddling of the Biden administration and its determination to put him into jail, where they, erroneously, think his bid for the White House ends.

Even the most obscure French MP which Politico wheeled out to endorse its article accepts this, so what would 2024 look like with Trump back in the Oval Office for Europeans?
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Yes.  Any country or alliance that values democracy should be concerned about Trump winning the 2024 election.  This is just common sense.

Countries like Russia, North Korea and China, on the other hand, should be concerned about Biden winning the 2024 election.

The thing that Biden shows best is that Democracy is only a more complex form of Group Dictatorship. But this is kinda good, especially if Trump gets back in. Why? Because the American people were getting too lax in life.

Biden stirred things up for Americans. He made them start to think again, even though such wasn't part of his agenda. People are realizing that governments are simply ploys to farm them. And, because of the many average people who have studied the Constitution and what it is all about, the people are beginning to see exactly how much they are benefited by having small government.

Part of the point is, no matter who gets into US government, Federal government will downsize. The States will become the greater authority. So, even a Trump win in 2024, isn't going to do the same as it would have, had he won in 2020. The people will start to bring government home to themselves.

[sirazimuth]

..... But this is kinda good, especially if Trump gets back in. ......

Keep dreaming your deluded dreams Bud. (or "deranged" to use the term Trump likes to repeat so much. He's projecting)
It looks like even right winger Federalist Society lawyers are seeing the light when it comes to Donald Trumps crimes...

When Federalist society right wing constitutional scholars who would vote republican and for Donald Trump come out with a 126 page
law review article law journal analysis to apply to Donald Trump and the disqualifying provision of the fourteenth amendment for participation in an insurrection or
rebellion, you're in in a load of hurt if you're Donald Trump.... And that's just what happened.
Let me make this clear.. this isn't left wing, progressive democrats, constitutional scholars from other side of the aisle of the political spectrum creating an analysis
or scholarship to argue that Donald Trump participated in a rebellion, an insurrection related to Jan 6th and clinging to power and the stopping of the peaceful transfer...
These are two of the most leading Federalist Society scholars out there who.. their entire focus is on the Fourteenth Amendment and the disqualifying provision that
was implemented around the time of the Civil War to stop people who were part of the Civil War and were part of the rebellion against Lincoln and The Republic,
to ever serve in office again, including that of the highest office in the land POTUS. You lose that part of the right wing, judicial, constitutional scholars and you've lost it all.
  And now we've got two of them... Prof. William Baude and  Prof. Mike Stokes Paulson who have joined together in a 126 page law review article to be published
in the University of Pennsylvania law review journal in which they argue not only does the 14th Amendment apply to the president or former POTUS, but there is
no doubt in their mind under the original interpretation of the US Constitution Donald Trump is an insurrectionist and participated in a rebellion and
therefore should never hold office again....

https://youtu.be/V5yptTPa7sg

[BADecker]

..... But this is kinda good, especially if Trump gets back in. ......

Keep dreaming your deluded dreams Bud. (or "deranged" to use the term Trump likes to repeat so much. He's projecting)
It looks like even right winger Federalist Society lawyers are seeing the light when it comes to Donald Trumps crimes...

When Federalist society right wing constitutional scholars who would vote republican and for Donald Trump come out with a 126 page
law review article law journal analysis to apply to Donald Trump and the disqualifying provision of the fourteenth amendment for participation in an insurrection or
rebellion, you're in in a load of hurt if you're Donald Trump.... And that's just what happened.
Let me make this clear.. this isn't left wing, progressive democrats, constitutional scholars from other side of the aisle of the political spectrum creating an analysis
or scholarship to argue that Donald Trump participated in a rebellion, an insurrection related to Jan 6th and clinging to power and the stopping of the peaceful transfer...
These are two of the most leading Federalist Society scholars out there who.. their entire focus is on the Fourteenth Amendment and the disqualifying provision that
was implemented around the time of the Civil War to stop people who were part of the Civil War and were part of the rebellion against Lincoln and The Republic,
to ever serve in office again, including that of the highest office in the land POTUS. You lose that part of the right wing, judicial, constitutional scholars and you've lost it all.
  And now we've got two of them... Prof. William Baude and  Prof. Mike Stokes Paulson who have joined together in a 126 page law review article to be published
in the University of Pennsylvania law review journal in which they argue not only does the 14th Amendment apply to the president or former POTUS, but there is
no doubt in their mind under the original interpretation of the US Constitution Donald Trump is an insurrectionist and participated in a rebellion and
therefore should never hold office again....

https://youtu.be/V5yptTPa7sg

Talk is easy. But proof is difficult. If proof was easy in Trump's case, he would have gone down long ago.

Want to see the evidence that proof is difficult? Take a look here: 'On The Verge Of The Abyss' - No US Presidential Election In 2024? - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463053.0. If you can't see the evidence that proof against Trump is difficult, let me know, and I'll explain it to you.


Corrupt Obama Judge Overseeing Trump Case Caught in Massive Scandal!


https://patriotclash.com/corrupt-obama-judge-overseeing-trump-case-caught-in-massive-scandal/
Judge Tanya Chutkan was appointed by former President Barack Obama in 2014 to serve as a US District Judge. Prior to her appointment, she had an extensive legal career, including working as an attorney and later becoming a partner at Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP (BSF). Interestingly, during her time at BSF, she overlapped with Hunter Biden, the son of President Joe Biden, who also served as an attorney at the firm from 2009 to 2014.

Allegations of Bias in Judge Chutkan's Rulings

Conservatives have expressed concerns about Judge Chutkan's impartiality based on her previous rulings, particularly those related to the January 6th incident at the Capitol. Critics argue that her rulings have shown a severe bias towards individuals arrested for their involvement in the event. This has led to doubts about whether she can provide a fair trial for former President Trump in the ongoing case.
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