Could Bitcoin Smash Socialism in Venezuela?

[bryant.coleman]

Honestly, just typing this things made me feel a bit down.

I can understand at least partially what is going through your mind. Bad times don't last forever. Even if things don't change much in your country in the near future, you have already chosen the right path by becoming a Bitcoiner. All you need to do is to keep your coins safe and secure. The next rally should make all of us insanely rich. And once you are rich, you don't need to worry about how people treat you. In the modern world, money means everything. Once you have the money, no one will ask for your nationality. 

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[aesma]

Hispo : I'm talking about the bit of France in your corner of the world, French Guiana. Some people speak Spanish there. It's mostly the Amazon jungle and the coast, I have no idea what you could do there, just saying it's relatively safe. And there are plenty of illegal immigrants already.

[Sithara007]

Hispo : I'm talking about the bit of France in your corner of the world, French Guiana. Some people speak Spanish there. It's mostly the Amazon jungle and the coast, I have no idea what you could do there, just saying it's relatively safe. And there are plenty of illegal immigrants already.

Why he needs to migrate illegally? Why not the legal route? Is it that hard to get a work permit in French Guiana? I am not sure whether anyone from Venezuela would prefer GF, since it is a French speaking territory and due to the difficulties in getting a visa. I think he has already posted that it is much easier to migrate to either Brazil or Argentina. No one really likes to leave behind his/hers homeland. But I don't think that the Venezuelans have much of a choice here.

[Obito]

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At least in case of Venezuela, socialism played a large role in its decline. The first thing the socialist party did after coming to power was to nationalize the petroleum deposits. They nationalized most of the important resources, such as factories. And once these institutions came under government control, corruption and incompetence increased by a magnitude of several times, which eventually resulted in their collapse. And this in turn, destroyed the economy.

That's why socialism and communism won't work because no matter how promising it is for the proletariat, the aristocrat/bourgeoisie is just going to change coats and still be in control of the top of the pyramid. If socialism truly prioritizes the people more than the interest of the government then it will be able to work.

[DrBeer]

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At least in case of Venezuela, socialism played a large role in its decline. The first thing the socialist party did after coming to power was to nationalize the petroleum deposits. They nationalized most of the important resources, such as factories. And once these institutions came under government control, corruption and incompetence increased by a magnitude of several times, which eventually resulted in their collapse. And this in turn, destroyed the economy.

That's why socialism and communism won't work because no matter how promising it is for the proletariat, the aristocrat/bourgeoisie is just going to change coats and still be in control of the top of the pyramid. If socialism truly prioritizes the people more than the interest of the government then it will be able to work.

Here I disagree a little - I have not seen a single example from real life, where the lumpenized masses, making a "socialist coup", as the "Internationale" bequeathed, put the former aristocrats / bourgeoisie at the top of the government. Always at the top were extremely cruel, sadists with a large number of complexes, who then realized them through their permissiveness, or the status of "gods on earth". There are plenty of examples - from Russia in 1917 to Pol-Pot and similar scum. The main problem is that the foundation of the idea of ​​building a "socialist paradise" is built on the concepts laid down in the "International" and the concept of "red terror" and "dictatorship of the proletariat", and there it is openly written: "kill the rich, divide their wealth among all the poor. No private property, no democracy, no right to choose, whoever doesn't like it is a traitor and an enemy and must be destroyed. " Take and compare this idea with what was implemented in the USSR, North Korea, North Vietnam, Cambodia, Pakistan, China ... - 100% "fulfillment of covenants." And as a result, tens of millions of destroyed people, their own population ..

[Vishnu.Reang]

Here I disagree a little - I have not seen a single example from real life, where the lumpenized masses, making a "socialist coup", as the "Internationale" bequeathed, put the former aristocrats / bourgeoisie at the top of the government. Always at the top were extremely cruel, sadists with a large number of complexes, who then realized them through their permissiveness, or the status of "gods on earth". There are plenty of examples - from Russia in 1917 to Pol-Pot and similar scum. The main problem is that the foundation of the idea of ​​building a "socialist paradise" is built on the concepts laid down in the "International" and the concept of "red terror" and "dictatorship of the proletariat", and there it is openly written: "kill the rich, divide their wealth among all the poor. No private property, no democracy, no right to choose, whoever doesn't like it is a traitor and an enemy and must be destroyed. " Take and compare this idea with what was implemented in the USSR, North Korea, North Vietnam, Cambodia, Pakistan, China ... - 100% "fulfillment of covenants." And as a result, tens of millions of destroyed people, their own population ..

The same methodology is used in all the countries. Here in India, there are left-wing guerilla groups such as People's War Group and the Maoist Communist Centre of India. The aim of these groups are the same. Kill the rich people, and then redistribute their land and other valuable articles to the poor people. Back in the 90s, everyday we would read reports of massacres carried out by these groups in newspapers (and also of retaliatory attacks by right-wing groups). It is very easy to manipulate the poor people, especially if they are illiterate. 90% of the poor have a deep seated hatred for the rich people. And then there are manipulative people who exploit this hatred for their own benefit.

[DrBeer]

Here I disagree a little - I have not seen a single example from real life, where the lumpenized masses, making a "socialist coup", as the "Internationale" bequeathed, put the former aristocrats / bourgeoisie at the top of the government. Always at the top were extremely cruel, sadists with a large number of complexes, who then realized them through their permissiveness, or the status of "gods on earth". There are plenty of examples - from Russia in 1917 to Pol-Pot and similar scum. The main problem is that the foundation of the idea of ​​building a "socialist paradise" is built on the concepts laid down in the "International" and the concept of "red terror" and "dictatorship of the proletariat", and there it is openly written: "kill the rich, divide their wealth among all the poor. No private property, no democracy, no right to choose, whoever doesn't like it is a traitor and an enemy and must be destroyed. " Take and compare this idea with what was implemented in the USSR, North Korea, North Vietnam, Cambodia, Pakistan, China ... - 100% "fulfillment of covenants." And as a result, tens of millions of destroyed people, their own population ..

The same methodology is used in all the countries. Here in India, there are left-wing guerilla groups such as People's War Group and the Maoist Communist Centre of India. The aim of these groups are the same. Kill the rich people, and then redistribute their land and other valuable articles to the poor people. Back in the 90s, everyday we would read reports of massacres carried out by these groups in newspapers (and also of retaliatory attacks by right-wing groups). It is very easy to manipulate the poor people, especially if they are illiterate. 90% of the poor have a deep seated hatred for the rich people. And then there are manipulative people who exploit this hatred for their own benefit.

This is very far from politics. In an absolutely positive direction, it is a bit like Robin Hood, a "positive villain" from British legends. But in fact - all this is terrorism and systemic banditry. You have these groups, but our whole country not so long ago lived with such principles ... And the main thing is that a noticeable number of people believed that this was a good, right thing! Therefore, they dropped to the level of cattle in everything ...

[Vishnu.Reang]

This is very far from politics. In an absolutely positive direction, it is a bit like Robin Hood, a "positive villain" from British legends. But in fact - all this is terrorism and systemic banditry. You have these groups, but our whole country not so long ago lived with such principles ... And the main thing is that a noticeable number of people believed that this was a good, right thing! Therefore, they dropped to the level of cattle in everything ...

India is divided in to 28 states and some of the states had the communist party ruling them for many decades. The central government had hardly any control over these states. In my own state, the Communist party was in power until 2018, when they were kicked out. I can understand what could have happened in your country, since my family lived under the red terror for so many decades. I can connect with most of the things - intimidation, brainwashing, lawlessness.etc.

[Hispo]

Honestly, just typing this things made me feel a bit down.

I can understand at least partially what is going through your mind. Bad times don't last forever. Even if things don't change much in your country in the near future, you have already chosen the right path by becoming a Bitcoiner. All you need to do is to keep your coins safe and secure. The next rally should make all of us insanely rich. And once you are rich, you don't need to worry about how people treat you. In the modern world, money means everything. Once you have the money, no one will ask for your nationality. 

I can't expect to become rich out of Bitcoin, I am not able to invest enough for that, because of my situation. In the best case scenario, I will have enough for the initial payment of a car or something like that. I try to stay with my feet on the ground.

Hispo : I'm talking about the bit of France in your corner of the world, French Guiana. Some people speak Spanish there. It's mostly the Amazon jungle and the coast, I have no idea what you could do there, just saying it's relatively safe. And there are plenty of illegal immigrants already.

I thought it was really difficult to get there since it is considered to be French territory and part of the EU.
I personally try to plan to move legally somewhere.

[Sithara007]

I thought it was really difficult to get there since it is considered to be French territory and part of the EU.
I personally try to plan to move legally somewhere.

He was probably suggesting to migrate there illegally, which is not a good move IMO. Illegal immigrants are not treated with respect in any corner of the world, and on top of that I don't think that anyone there can get around without a knowledge of spoken French. When it is perfectly legal to migrate to Argentina or Brazil, that should be the first choice. Although it is a part of France in a political sense, French Guiana is no more developed when compared to the other countries and territories in South America.

[Hispo]

I thought it was really difficult to get there since it is considered to be French territory and part of the EU.
I personally try to plan to move legally somewhere.

He was probably suggesting to migrate there illegally, which is not a good move IMO. Illegal immigrants are not treated with respect in any corner of the world, and on top of that I don't think that anyone there can get around without a knowledge of spoken French. When it is perfectly legal to migrate to Argentina or Brazil, that should be the first choice. Although it is a part of France in a political sense, French Guiana is no more developed when compared to the other countries and territories in South America.

Yes, It is not my intention to move anywhere illegaly, unless my life is directly threated or something like that and Argentina is definetely an option but i am afraid they may be commiting the same mistakes we did here.

I would also consider Mexico, but I do not know anyone there, sadly.

Also, do you have an idea about I could make with  a lot of obsolete banknote?

[MCobian]

Honestly, just typing this things made me feel a bit down.

I can understand at least partially what is going through your mind. Bad times don't last forever. Even if things don't change much in your country in the near future, you have already chosen the right path by becoming a Bitcoiner. All you need to do is to keep your coins safe and secure. The next rally should make all of us insanely rich. And once you are rich, you don't need to worry about how people treat you. In the modern world, money means everything. Once you have the money, no one will ask for your nationality. 

Money is indeed the key to solving problems, as long as we can make a lot of money, we should be able to solve the various problems we face.
I agree when we have a lot of money, people won't care which country we are from. Therefore it is the right decision, if someone wants to be rich
they choose to invest in Bitcoin. Because it has been proven that Bitcoin has increased this year which is very significant, it has succeeded
in making several people rich. Therefore, it is better to start focusing on investing in Bitcoin from now on, before the Bitcoin price gets higher.

[Sithara007]

Yes, It is not my intention to move anywhere illegaly, unless my life is directly threated or something like that and Argentina is definetely an option but i am afraid they may be commiting the same mistakes we did here.

I would also consider Mexico, but I do not know anyone there, sadly.

Also, do you have an idea about I could make with  a lot of obsolete banknote?

Argentina may be a better option IMO. At least when compared to Brazil and Mexico, the crime levels are low and the people are friendly. But you are right in saying that Argentina had economic issues in the past. They famously defaulted on federal debt in 2001, which led to debt restructuring (I read that in total, they have defaulted on debt a total of 9 times). But more recently, I am hearing encouraging things regarding that country.

And now coming to obsolete banknotes, there are a lot of banknote collectors who purchase them in bulk and you can find them in Ebay. But exporting these banknotes from one country to another is not very easy. There are a lot of customs formalities to be taken care of (especially in the country where these banknotes are being imported).

[Hispo]

Honestly, just typing this things made me feel a bit down.

I can understand at least partially what is going through your mind. Bad times don't last forever. Even if things don't change much in your country in the near future, you have already chosen the right path by becoming a Bitcoiner. All you need to do is to keep your coins safe and secure. The next rally should make all of us insanely rich. And once you are rich, you don't need to worry about how people treat you. In the modern world, money means everything. Once you have the money, no one will ask for your nationality.  

Money is indeed the key to solving problems, as long as we can make a lot of money, we should be able to solve the various problems we face.
I agree when we have a lot of money, people won't care which country we are from. Therefore it is the right decision, if someone wants to be rich
they choose to invest in Bitcoin. Because it has been proven that Bitcoin has increased this year which is very significant, it has succeeded
in making several people rich. Therefore, it is better to start focusing on investing in Bitcoin from now on, before the Bitcoin price gets higher.

Some money would make things easier, but I am not counting on making a lot of money with crypto, just getting a plus on my savings.

Yes, It is not my intention to move anywhere illegaly, unless my life is directly threated or something like that and Argentina is definetely an option but i am afraid they may be commiting the same mistakes we did here.

I would also consider Mexico, but I do not know anyone there, sadly.

Also, do you have an idea about I could make with  a lot of obsolete banknote?

Argentina may be a better option IMO. At least when compared to Brazil and Mexico, the crime levels are low and the people are friendly. But you are right in saying that Argentina had economic issues in the past. They famously defaulted on federal debt in 2001, which led to debt restructuring (I read that in total, they have defaulted on debt a total of 9 times). But more recently, I am hearing encouraging things regarding that country.

And now coming to obsolete banknotes, there are a lot of banknote collectors who purchase them in bulk and you can find them in Ebay. But exporting these banknotes from one country to another is not very easy. There are a lot of customs formalities to be taken care of (especially in the country where these banknotes are being imported).

If it was easier to send banknote, I would have already auction some one mine on here for BTC or alts.

Sometimes life is hard.

[Vishnu.Reang]

If it was easier to send banknote, I would have already auction some one mine on here for BTC or alts.

Sometimes life is hard.

As long as these banknotes are in circulation, they won't be in much demand. When Zimbabwe was printing out the hundred trillion Z$ banknotes, no one really wanted them back then. But after they replaced Zimbabwe Dollar with the US Dollar, the demand for these banknotes increased. A few years back, I purchased 10 of them for $50. So if you can afford, accumulate as many banknotes as you can. After 5-10 years, they will be in great demand and you can sell them at huge profit.

[mrquackquack]

Anybody want some Aevo coins, i just sent some for a fraction of a penny

[Hispo]

If it was easier to send banknote, I would have already auction some one mine on here for BTC or alts.

Sometimes life is hard.

As long as these banknotes are in circulation, they won't be in much demand. When Zimbabwe was printing out the hundred trillion Z$ banknotes, no one really wanted them back then. But after they replaced Zimbabwe Dollar with the US Dollar, the demand for these banknotes increased. A few years back, I purchased 10 of them for $50. So if you can afford, accumulate as many banknotes as you can. After 5-10 years, they will be in great demand and you can sell them at huge profit.

It sounds like an idea, thanks.
nowadays, I only use some bills as material to repair books. Banknote is an excellent material for that.

Are the Zimbabwe bills more expensive now after these years?