Do we want Epochtalk?

[staking]

I feel like we can just stick with what we have here for the next 10 years.

So honestly, do we really want Epochtalk?

Perhaps I should try it.

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[AB de Royse777]

I have no excitements left for the new forum software. All gone to be honest. However let's be possitive. Hopefully someday we will migrate to Epochtalk.

[dkbit98]

Development is going very slow and I was hoping that testing on Coinbistro would attract more people but it looks like we are just moving in snail speed here, and I don't want to disrespect the team who is working on this, but this is just a act.

[tranthidung]

I did not like the forum years ago and I thought it is boring with texts but with four-years experience in the forum, I like its current design and also lost the faith that it will be officially went live soon.

Communities can help with feedback on github or try to run testing sites for the new forum software.

Epochtalk

• http://epochtalk.org/
• https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk
• Epochtalk installation readme

Coinbistro.com

• https://coinbistro.com/boards
• Coinbistro.com - Epochtalk testing grounds

Cryptos-currencies.com

• https://www.cryptos-currencies.com/boards
• ANN thread: Cryptos-Currencies.Com : First forum using Epochtalk

Blog.mocacino.com

• https://blog.mocacinno.com/

[SFR10]

I feel like we can just stick with what we have here for the next 10 years.

So honestly, do we really want Epochtalk?

Personally, I wouldn't mind sticking with the current software but if it's going to be an improvement ^{[e.g. Support for mobile devices, better security and etc...]} over what we already have, then why not?

[OgNasty]

I feel like we can just stick with what we have here for the next 10 years.

So honestly, do we really want Epochtalk?

Personally, I wouldn't mind sticking with the current software but if it's going to be an improvement ^{[e.g. Support for mobile devices, better security and etc...]} over what we already have, then why not?

It's not like we can get a refund from the developers at this point, so it seems this change is inevitable.

I wonder if the forum will fork at that point and we will have 2 Bitcointalks or if this forum will cease to exist.  Personally, I think it would be fun to have the forums forked and would probably stick to the format I'm comfortable with.  Who knows, maybe that would double the forum's total revenue?  Maybe they could operate slightly differently with regards to freedom of speech or moderation tactics... 

[eaLiTy]

It's not like we can get a refund from the developers at this point, so it seems this change is inevitable.

The amount of money spent means it is inevitable we will see an upgrade but i am comfortable with the current set up and even if they move as you said i would like to have the option to use the current forum as well, i am not looking for two different forums but multiple options to toggle between SMF and Epochtalk and with the same database it is possible .

[shahzadafzal]

When I read  "Epochtalk - Next generation forum software." I automatically assume... that's not for me but for the next generation probably my kids or grand kids.
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It's not like we can get a refund from the developers at this point, so it seems this change is inevitable.

well I guess changing the design (front-end) shouldn't be a big deal we can keep the backend as as it is and just change the design to be responsive at least. Currently this sucks on mobiles specially posting a topic or replying to any post is so difficult... for me i totally avoid it or delay it until i get access to my laptop.

anyway easier said than done being a programmer i know how nasty it can get while changing the whole systems.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I prefer to keep it the way we have it, last time I looked at it, I nearly vomited. It appeared as if grade school children were the designers. But I have already expressed my thoughts in the discord channel so I wont list them all here again lol

[TheBeardedBaby]

Keeping it like this is fine for me, maybe just keep tweaking with some missing features but then that means that all the btc spend in creating the ultimate forum software were just thrown in the bin. This is probably the most expensive project ever created,considering the spent btc and the current btc price.
Hope to see it implemented as an alternative option to browse the forum tho.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Keeping it like this is fine for me, maybe just keep tweaking with some missing features but then that means that all the btc spend in creating the ultimate forum software were just thrown in the bin. This is probably the most expensive project ever created,considering the spent btc and the current btc price.
Hope to see it implemented as an alternative option to browse the forum tho.

And that is the worst part - forums should not have even cost 1/100th of what was wasted on epoch nor should it have taken the years that has been wasted on it.

[NeuroticFish]

It appeared as if grade school children were the designers.

I had the same thought when I've seen the newer generation forums. But it looks like a lot of (potential) users to like such "design".
What I miss the most is a slightly improved view on the phone. Basically to not need to rotate the phone, nor zoom in, and still able to read.

But all in all I don't want to criticize too much. We will get used to the new forum look too if the migration will happen, don't we? 

[MoparMiningLLC]

It appeared as if grade school children were the designers.

I had the same thought when I've seen the newer generation forums. But it looks like a lot of (potential) users to like such "design".
What I miss the most is a slightly improved view on the phone. Basically to not need to rotate the phone, nor zoom in, and still able to read.

But all in all I don't want to criticize too much. We will get used to the new forum look too if the migration will happen, don't we? 

I can read the current forums on my phone with no issues. but I can see how it could be hard to read on a smaller phone.

The epoch one completely sucks on a pc though.

[TheBeardedBaby]

It appeared as if grade school children were the designers.

I had the same thought when I've seen the newer generation forums. But it looks like a lot of (potential) users to like such "design".
What I miss the most is a slightly improved view on the phone. Basically to not need to rotate the phone, nor zoom in, and still able to read.

But all in all I don't want to criticize too much. We will get used to the new forum look too if the migration will happen, don't we?  

I can read the current forums on my phone with no issues. but I can see how it could be hard to read on a smaller phone.

The epoch one completely sucks on a pc though.

I don't think it's completely ready. What you see is just the tip of the iceberg, and it's not tweaked. What they did until now is a lot of coding to make it secure and the same time compatible with other software applications. We don't really see the power of the functionalities the software provides, all we see is some ugly CSS, which can be changed when the coding is finished. I think this is all done just for the purpose of testing the stability and bug hunting and the final release won't look like it's now.

It will take time to actually get it ready for release.

[NeuroticFish]

all we see is some ugly CSS, which can be changed when the coding is finished.

Exactly. And we have on the forum quite a number of skilled people that can add an user script and adjust the look and feel here and there if it's getting released and a big number of users won't like it.
Somewhat strange to keep telling that over years, but it's still early to criticize the UI.

[Rizzrack]

Currently devs are pushing hard to move the code from AngularJS which will be EOL at the end of this year to Vue. Don't have an ETA but you can see the progress here

Exactly. And we have on the forum quite a number of skilled people that can add an user script and adjust the look and feel here and there if it's getting released and a big number of users won't like it.
Somewhat strange to keep telling that over years, but it's still early to criticize the UI.

It's open source: https://github.com/epochtalk
Instead of criticizing the CSS or make a userscript... make a commit or open an issue. Even if it's just a typo or something. It all adds up. Plus your username would be in the list of contributors for the forum software. That must count for something  


It comes with some predefined color themes that can be edited and each admin can customize to his/her own preference. Don't see any reason why not to also have several general themes that can be changed with just one click. OK... maybe two clicks, guess you also have to click and the "Save" button   maybe even community made. It's just a commit away !



On top of that it's very modular. For years there have been tons of requests to add certain features. Some stupid, some reasonable, some very cool and useful. But the biggest reason was the code. Because it is a highly pimped upgraded custom SFM, any change/addition can easily break many other parts of working code. I can see the addition/changes of future features would be implemented much easier and safer.

There will be some public API, so statistics etc would be a piece of cake.

P.S. just glancing at it for 2 seconds and throwing up means you just don't see the bigger picture. I guess only time will tell  

[NeuroticFish]

Instead of criticizing the CSS or make a userscript... make a commit or open an issue.

I was referring to userscripts - if necessary - after it's released as Bitcointalk 2.0.
I was referring to the fact that even now there are user scripts doing very well thins kind of things.

[Rizzrack]

I was referring to userscripts - if necessary - after it's released as Bitcointalk 2.0.
I was referring to the fact that even now there are user scripts doing very well thins kind of things.

I use some userscripts myself and yes, they are very helpful. Also made some myself to improve work flows (nothing fancy tho)
Was just saying that the functionality of those userscripts might as well be added directly in the source. It is an open source project after all, regardless of who and how much paid so far. Anyone can fell free to contribute and I am 101% sure the devs would be happy to hear an opinion or review a commit/pull request etc

@Veleor was super helpful and has 113 issues open so far on the epochtalk repo.
Did not get a chance to publicly thank him for all the bugs found, the typos, the glitches, proposals and the advice so far. Thanks Veleor, you're awesome !

My point was that it has huge potential. True, the current design has a certain hate it or love it vibe. Maybe, as you said, some members with UI/UX experience can have a look and chip in a bit  

And to answer the topic title: I personally want it !

[malevolent]

I'm assuming the change to Vue was predicated on it being a bit easier develop with as opposed to Angular (which is also very different from AngularJS).

P.S. just glancing at it for 2 seconds and throwing up means you just don't see the bigger picture. I guess only time will tell  

How much more time? Can anyone give a rough ETA?

[Rizzrack]

The options were Vue and React. They chose Vue because it's easier to work with for future contributors , good community and a few other aspects. Not sure if it's easier to port from AngularJS... might be

Regarding the ETA part it's hard to say. I would guesstimate a few more months to finish porting the code.
About a fully functional working beta... only Satoshi can say.