Abuse of green trust

[Nexcital]

It never crossed my mind how a Pure Bounty Hunter could earn a Green Trust by selling just one coin.  Has Green Trust become so cheap?  I think he is abusing Green Trust.  Or he doesn't know how to give green trust to anyone.  Does he deserve Green Trust at all?  Isn't this disrespectful to the senior members of the forum?

Green trust donor: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1215448 (invincible49)

Green trust recipient: 1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2638209 (ayanrumi)
                                2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2595077 (Priya Chowdhury)
                                3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2742699 (NNRR)
                                4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2805698 (McniColl)

i think invincible49 is a green trust seller.

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[suchmoon]

I don't see any proof that the trust ratings are being sold, but Alice green-trusting Bob because Bob went first in a trade always looked a bit weird to me. Alice didn't risk anything, how does she know that Bob is trustworthy? Bob being a bounty hunting shitposter doesn't help the situation either.

[Nexcital]

I don't see any proof that the trust ratings are being sold, but Alice green-trusting Bob because Bob went first in a trade always looked a bit weird to me. Alice didn't risk anything, how does she know that Bob is trustworthy? Bob being a bounty hunting shitposter doesn't help the situation either.

So ridiculous...! A shitposter get valuable green trust who already get 2 red trust. Isn't it so horrable for this forum?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't see any proof that the trust ratings are being sold, but Alice green-trusting Bob because Bob went first in a trade always looked a bit weird to me.

Yeah I noticed that as well--but I've probably left similar feedbacks prior to being on DT, whereas now I'd just leave a neutral if anything.

The odd thing is that Vod seems to have countered a non-DT neg with a DT positive (unless I'm seeing it wrong, which is possible because I have a custom trust list).  In any case, this is why I can't stand counter-positives and refuse to give them.  

Also, just because someone with green trust gave you a positive, that doesn't turn your trust green.  The giver has to be on DT for that to happen, so I doubt there's any trust selling going on here.

So ridiculous...! A shitposter get valuable green trust who already get 2 red trust. Isn't it so horrable for this forum?

Yeah well, strap yourself in.  Bitcointalk is one giant theme park with a roller coaster called Horrable Ridiculous Shit, and it operates 24/7.

Edit:

He has been on DT 2 since 2020-05-16 and the ratings were just added 2 months ago

Ah, I didn't know that (and I always forget where to look since I never do).  And yeah, he probably should be counseled to be a lot less liberal with his positive feedbacks.  You definitely don't want just anybody having green trust, because eventually you'll end up with a member who uses it to their advantage in scamming someone.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Yeah I noticed that as well--but I've probably left similar feedbacks prior to being on DT, whereas now I'd just leave a neutral if anything.

He has been on DT 2 since 2020-05-16 and the ratings were just added 2 months ago

Also, just because someone with green trust gave you a positive, that doesn't turn your trust green.  The giver has to be on DT for that to happen, so I doubt there's any trust selling going on here.

Yeah, he could not be selling the trust but even when he's on DT 2, the green becomes visible to other members. I think neutral feedback was the most appropriate thing to do if he wanted to leave feedback given that the receipts have their post histories filled up with only bounty reports. One of them was even identified as a cheat.

I think @invincible49 needs to be called upon to review his feedback.

[nutildah]

What's weird is a week or two ago I thought I had connected a bunch of bounty hunters together in a farm until I realized these tokens were being actively collected by a single member on the forum. If that hadn't been documented, it would look strange, at least. But I have no reason to believe that this isn't simply a case of loosely-applied positive trust.

[eddie13]

Atleast their was a trade of some sort, risk or not..
Positive feedback for a positive exchange experience..

Meanwhile their are a thousand DT green trusts sent for “busts alt accounts”, “fights scams”, etc..

Now I wanna be a shit poster. Then sell some AME token and get green trust. Wow

Keep doing exactly what you did here OP and you’ll have a Butt load of DT green trust in no time without making a single trade at all..
 

already get 2 red trust

Reds came after..

[lovesmayfamilis]

His reviews to these "positive" users were left on the same day, and almost at the same time. Take a look at his referent link. Do you believe in coincidences? You shouldn't be naive, thinking that these are different people. Invincible49 itself loves to expose alternative accounts , and the transfer of tokens to one wallet looks like insurance against discovering its own accounts.
Just look at what he specializes in when analyzing and finding viola. It is there that the emphasis is on transferring tokens into one wallet.
I suspect that all these "kind" people are his profiles.

[Nexcital]

His reviews to these "positive" users were left on the same day, and almost at the same time. Take a look at his referent link. Do you believe in coincidences? You shouldn't be naive, thinking that these are different people. Invincible49 itself loves to expose alternative accounts , and the transfer of tokens to one wallet looks like insurance against discovering its own accounts.
Just look at what he specializes in when analyzing and finding viola. It is there that the emphasis is on transferring tokens into one wallet.
I suspect that all these "kind" people are his profiles.

You got the right point, sir.  It cannot be coincidence in any way.  I urge everyone to take note of your post.
 I think all these accounts are connected.  Because invincible 49 itself is a shit poster.  If you turn to his profile, everything will be clear.

[LoyceV]

Alice green-trusting Bob because Bob went first in a trade always looked a bit weird to me. Alice didn't risk anything, how does she know that Bob is trustworthy?

Some escrows leave positive feedback too without risking anything. It's looks like they use positive feedback as a reward for trading, instead of for being trustworthy. I don't consider correct use of the Trust system.

He has been on DT 2 since 2020-05-16 and the ratings were just added 2 months ago

He was put on DT2 by YOSHIE:

Trust list for: invincible49 (Trust: awaiting update) (77 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-16_Sat_05.03h)
Back to index

invincible49's judgement is Trusted by:
1. NEW YOSHIE (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 547 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Invincible49 left a lot of negative feedback for reasons I don't consider correct use of the Trust system:

Merit abuse, alt-accounts (without scamming) ban evasion and plagiarism are not valid reasons to leave negative feedback.

A very simple solution would be if YOSHIE removes invincible49 from his Trust list. Until that happens, I'll exclude invincible49 myself. If one more DT1 member excludes him, he drops out of DT2.

The odd thing is that Vod seems to have countered a non-DT neg with a DT positive (unless I'm seeing it wrong, which is possible because I have a custom trust list).

This makes no sense indeed. Vod: check his DT-view.

[YOSHIE]

A very simple solution would be if YOSHIE removes invincible49 from his Trust list. Until that happens, I'll exclude invincible49 myself. If one more DT1 member excludes him, he drops out of DT2.

I am totally exhausted seeing this all done by @invincible49.

This is the umpteenth time members have complained against @inincible49, I am confused about all this, I don't know, there is a motive behind it, I really gave up.

My intention is actually good to put @invincible49 in my trust list, because he often catches Alt breaking the rules, I don't know that someone understands the way and puts DT in a proper place.


For @ inincible49, I apologize for a while, to remove you from my list of beliefs, because I also received warnings from several other DT1s about you.

Once again I apologize, because this concerns the goodness of everyone in this forum, especially you.
Don't misunderstand if this happens, I still trust you.
I hope you understand.

[invincible49]

i think invincible49 is a green trust seller.

This is absurd accusation, I was no one's trust list when I left feedback on those mentioned accounts and according to forum's rule I did the right as those guys sold their assets to me and they deserved to be given a good feedback. Later I got a positive feedback from Vod and now those accounts are showing as green trusted members. I have no motive of making any money out of this forum, I do not even do signature campaign. This is a coordinated attack on me and my account's reputation.

Invincible49 left a lot of negative feedback for reasons I don't consider correct use of the Trust system:

Yes this is probably a mistake that I already admitted in another thread and in Personal message with Yoshie that I need to learn a lot about when and how to put my feedbacks on profile then again, I caught accounts with 40+, 20+, 10+ altaccounts with concrete proofs (apart from a a few loose ones), so my account shows a lot of feedback to others. Some guys sending me death threat, abusing in DM, some guys send me DM saying they made mistake and beg for lifting my feedback. When did we made it a rule that I can't catch scammers like Kakatua and tag his countless alts? Just go over the account @Cadaver20 and see how he is evading ban. So I left a feedback on his account and then he put a feedback on mine retrospectively.

I think @invincible49 needs to be called upon to review his feedback.

Yes this is now required to do sadly as yes those guys are bounty shit posters, but make no mistake I appreciated how they sent their funds to me without any escrow. But since everyone thinks it's a misuse of green trust I will leave the feedback to neutral. Also remember that I did not have any green trust when I sent my positive feedbacks on the mentioned accounts. But then again this newbie account OP is coming at me with some motive I believe which is to destroy my reputation.

i think invincible49 is a green trust seller.

Meh! I do not sell my integrity you plonker. I have not even sold my Motorola V3i Razr of 2005 out of respect for it. Come up with something genuine and proof.

This is the umpteenth time members have complained against @inincible49, I am confused about all this, I don't know, there is a motive behind it, I really gave up.

Just see the last guy named @Indever's complain against me and how I later exposed him lol.
Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5315155.msg56283769#msg56283769

For @ inincible49, I apologize for a while, to remove you from my list of beliefs, because I also received warnings from several other DT1s about you.

Once again I apologize, because this concerns the goodness of everyone in this forum, especially you.
Don't misunderstand if this happens, I still trust you.
I hope you understand.

Thank you Yoshie. You rock my man! We all appreciate and love the work you do for this community. I know I made a lot of enemy here who are from my own country, got many threats, death threats, threat on my family through telegram, forum's message so it is better for me to stop doing what I thought was right. I will still catch cheaters but not tagging them as that what upsets them most, The recent shit done by User @shamimal93 and his alt @alamin173020, @Indever are causing this shitshow now. I have a guess whose altaccount is this @Nexcital. No worries sooner or later thieves always get caught. Then again I have @Cadaver20 and his alt @ZaraCB @Bazlur on my back too.

Most of all screw those cheating plonkers. Thank you Yoshie again for you trusting my judgement, I know I should have been more cautious about the responsibility but hey, it's probably for the good.

I'll exclude invincible49 myself. If one more DT1 member excludes him, he drops out of DT2.

ah You have done it now I see! So catching scammers, tagging their accounts who were trying to scam with at least 5+ different projects now earn me a place in your Excluding list!  


Changed my positive feedback to those accounts to neutral now!

[LoyceV]

Invincible49 left a lot of negative feedback for reasons I don't consider correct use of the Trust system:

Yes this is probably a mistake that I already admitted in another thread and in Personal message with Yoshie that I need to learn a lot about when and how to put my feedbacks on profile

Great, I can only encourage that. But I don't think you should be on DT already while you're still learning this.

Some guys sending me death threat

This is a bannable offense, so just report them.

When did we made it a rule that I can't catch scammers like Kakatua and tag his countless alts?

There's no rule against that, and as far as I know the community consensus is in favour of tagging alts of scammers.

Just go over the account @Cadaver20 and see how he is evading ban. So I left a feedback on his account and then he put a feedback on mine retrospectively.

If it's ban evasion, report it, and get him banned.

I appreciated how they sent their funds to me without any escrow.

That means they (can) trust you, it doesn't mean you (can/should) trust them. It's a crucial distinction.

But then again this newbie account OP is coming at me with some motive I believe which is to destroy my reputation.

Why worry about what a Newbie says about you? Why worry about the opinion of anyone who's judgement you don't value, especially on the internet? With thousands of people on Bitcointalk, you'll stumble upon someone you disagree with eventually. That's okay.

I'll exclude invincible49 myself. If one more DT1 member excludes him, he drops out of DT2.

ah You have done it now I see!

Since YOSHIE removed his inclusion, I've removed my exclusion. There's no point in excluding you now, and if you improve on doing what's widely considered to be correct use of the Trust system, you may be included again in the future.

So catching scammers, tagging their accounts who were trying to scam with at least 5+ different projects now earn me a place in your Excluding list!  

No. I have no problems with tags for those reasons. It's the tags for other reasons that got you excluded, see this topic for some discussion on the subject.

[Little Mouse]

Later I got a positive feedback from Vod and now those accounts are showing as green trusted members.

Receiving positive feedback from DT member has no relation with you being a DT. You received feedback from Vod has no connection with your sending feedback to be visible.
I would recommend you to read LoyceV's guideline- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0

[invincible49]

Receiving positive feedback from DT member has no relation with you being a DT. You received feedback from Vod has no connection with your sending feedback to be visible.
I would recommend you to read LoyceV's guideline- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0

Don't butt in and make things out of context! Cheers

[Nexcital]

I have no motive of making any money out of this forum, I do not even do the signature campaign.

Oh really!!! Lol !! Then why you do bounty? You are also a shit poster man.

Here is the proof
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5303123.msg56034114#msg56034114
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5292444.msg55945220#msg55945220
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5296816.msg55934435#msg55934435
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286866.msg55929006#msg55929006
5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5298730.msg55928985#msg55928985
6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5297846.msg55917818#msg55917818
7. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5295306.msg55917775#msg55917775
8. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5301114.msg55860271#msg55860271
9. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5301114.msg55860271#msg55860271
10. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5293291.msg55793833#msg55793833

Who done this man Fucking shit poster.

Yes this is now required to do sadly as yes those guys are bounty shit posters.

You are also a shit poster, shameless plonker!
Give me some more time.  I won't take too long to undress this idiot.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[invincible49]

Yes this is now required to do sadly as yes those guys are bounty shit posters.

You are also a shit poster, shameless plonker!
Give me some more time.  I won't take too long to undress this idiot.

Learn to read in Present form. Also where are you going with this? It's basically a witch hunt. Good luck to your pathetic life. I am not coming in here to make any reply. Things got sorted with LoyceV and Yoshie!

[Nexcital]

See this two post and see time interval between these post.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286866.msg55929006#msg55929006 (posted by invincible49)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286866.msg55929018#msg55929018 (posted ny McniColl)
They registered the same bounty. And submitted week:7 report almost same time.
First post created by invincible49 and second posted by McniColl.
Do you know McniColl?
McniColl got green trust by invincible49.
Are these two things coincidental?

[marlboroza]

Atleast their was a trade of some sort, risk or not..
Positive feedback for a positive exchange experience..

There was but it should be sent to users you think they won't scam, not some random junior member farming accounts sending tokens first.

Meanwhile their are a thousand DT green trusts sent for “busts alt accounts”, “fights scams”, etc..

My best guess is that users who sent those ratings trust scum/alt busters, the real question is - why they trust them? That is something you should ask trust senders. You know, while we are at it, I didn't have any trading history except 0.002BTC deal I made with some trust farming account and I am part of "thousand DT green trusts sent for "bust alt accounts", "fights scams"...", so, what happened, a month ago I acted as middleman for one transaction and I was trusted with $4K. Bonus part - I've never received positive feedback for that, on the other hand, some users are receiving positive trust for 10$ trades 

[LoyceV]

Oh really!!! Lol !! Then why you do bounty? You are also a shit poster man.

Let me guess: he busted some of your alts and now you're on a witch hunt to get him?

If you see shitposts, click "Report to moderator" and type "shitpost". It's really that simple.

a month ago I acted as middleman for one transaction and I was trusted with $4K. Bonus part - I've never received positive feedback for that

My largest trusted amounts also never resulted in any feedback. That's okay, it keeps people private.

[YOSHIE]

@LoyceV, already encouraging you in the future, here are the best points for you @ invincible49, consider what is suggested by: @LoyceV.

Since YOSHIE removed his inclusion, I've removed my exclusion. There's no point in excluding you now, and if you improve on doing what's widely considered to be correct use of the Trust system, you may be included again in the future.

Good luck for the future.