Bitcoin Forum
May 06, 2024, 01:03:04 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
Author Topic: Which scenario is safer than the other?  (Read 226 times)
Findingnemo
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Activity: 2324
Merit: 758


Bitcoin = Financial freedom


View Profile
February 28, 2021, 12:48:15 PM
 #21

Thanks for the discussion Smiley this curiosity started from a discussion on the Romanian board where someone wanted to purchase coins worth €150k in cash.

Which kind of goes back to my big guys with bats theory to get the money back, instead of some oddball method.
Not to mention you can get the persons phone and send the coins back to yourself.

Large cash transactions are always going to be a risk.
Unless you do it in a back that you are putting the cash in, and using a phone that only has a watch only wallet for addresses you have control over, and you bring some large friends with you for support.

But, with going through all that time and expense, you might as well use Coinbase (or similar).
Remember, in this example, to be safe you just put your money in a bank, so it's not like you are hiding it.

-Dave


I never too consider buying or selling BTC for cash with someone personally is safe too, if people care about the taxation system then they can go with p2p trading platforms where the trading volumes are more higher than $150K but still the user maybe asked for KYC details.

███████████████████████████
███████▄████████████▄██████
████████▄████████▄████████
███▀█████▀▄███▄▀█████▀███
█████▀█▀▄██▀▀▀██▄▀█▀█████
███████▄███████████▄███████
███████████████████████████
███████▀███████████▀███████
████▄██▄▀██▄▄▄██▀▄██▄████
████▄████▄▀███▀▄████▄████
██▄███▀▀█▀██████▀█▀███▄███
██▀█▀████████████████▀█▀███
███████████████████████████
.
.Duelbits.
..........UNLEASH..........
THE ULTIMATE
GAMING EXPERIENCE
DUELBITS
FANTASY
SPORTS
████▄▄█████▄▄
░▄████
███████████▄
▐███
███████████████▄
███
████████████████
███
████████████████▌
███
██████████████████
████████████████▀▀▀
███████████████▌
███████████████▌
████████████████
████████████████
████████████████
████▀▀███████▀▀
.
▬▬
VS
▬▬
████▄▄▄█████▄▄▄
░▄████████████████▄
▐██████████████████▄
████████████████████
████████████████████▌
█████████████████████
███████████████████
███████████████▌
███████████████▌
████████████████
████████████████
████████████████
████▀▀███████▀▀
/// PLAY FOR  FREE  ///
WIN FOR REAL
..PLAY NOW..
View ArchiveReport to moderator
1715000584
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715000584

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715000584
Reply with quote  #2

1715000584
Report to moderator
1715000584
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715000584

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715000584
Reply with quote  #2

1715000584
Report to moderator
Unlike traditional banking where clients have only a few account numbers, with Bitcoin people can create an unlimited number of accounts (addresses). This can be used to easily track payments, and it improves anonymity.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
1715000584
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715000584

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715000584
Reply with quote  #2

1715000584
Report to moderator
1715000584
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715000584

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715000584
Reply with quote  #2

1715000584
Report to moderator
o_e_l_e_o
In memoriam
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2268
Merit: 18510


View Profile
February 28, 2021, 01:00:50 PM
 #22

Remember, in this example, to be safe you just put your money in a bank, so it's not like you are hiding it.
Probably even worse in this case. Showing up unannounced to your bank to deposit $150k in cash is going to raise multiple red flags for anybody. This looks like money laundering until proven otherwise. They might cash the funds, but they won't credit them to your account before you hand over more information, proof of source of funds, perhaps some enhanced ID checks, etc. Good luck providing "proof of funds" that your average bank would accept saying "I just sold 3 BTC in cash".

I wonder what is the best way of selling a large amount of bitcoin and getting the fiat in to the banking system without giving away KYC beyond that required for a basic bank account.
20kevin20 (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1134
Merit: 1597


View Profile
February 28, 2021, 05:30:43 PM
 #23

All methods have weak points. Face to face is good since you don't really leave much information about you, your partner or your transaction - but on the other hand, you risk being scammed or robbed. Trading through p2p exchanges is good since you cannot be physically attacked or robbed, but on the other hand it's risky to get that much cash into your bank since you are going to likely be interrogated about the sum/source of funds. If you want to trade without compromising privacy, you will always have a quite strong weak point to be afraid of (if that makes sense). Privacy has a cost, and these are the ones you have to go accept for p2p txs.

There is also cash by mail - but I'm not sure how that would work when you have 1.5/10 of a million to send? Cheesy
DaveF
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3472
Merit: 6263


Crypto Swap Exchange


View Profile WWW
February 28, 2021, 06:36:15 PM
 #24

Remember, in this example, to be safe you just put your money in a bank, so it's not like you are hiding it.
Probably even worse in this case. Showing up unannounced to your bank to deposit $150k in cash is going to raise multiple red flags for anybody. This looks like money laundering until proven otherwise. They might cash the funds, but they won't credit them to your account before you hand over more information, proof of source of funds, perhaps some enhanced ID checks, etc. Good luck providing "proof of funds" that your average bank would accept saying "I just sold 3 BTC in cash".

I wonder what is the best way of selling a large amount of bitcoin and getting the fiat in to the banking system without giving away KYC beyond that required for a basic bank account.

Depends on a few things.
As a rule, if you are putting it into a private account, yes they are going to look at you. If it's a commercial / business account, not so much.
Also, how "off" is it from your usual money moving. In the US they will do a SAR form since it's over 10k in cash. but if you move a lot of cash in & out of your account it probably will not go past that.
If your last 500 deposits were for $125 or less and then you drop $125,000 into your account. Red flags are going to pop up.

Also, it depends on the bank and how long you have been there. I have one account that is decades old it's amazing how much even a crappy bank like the one I have it in will help out an old time small account holder then a new larger one. Odd, but true.

Either way, it would be such a fringe case, probably would not ever happen.

-Dave

█▀▀▀











█▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
e
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
█████████████
████████████▄███
██▐███████▄█████▀
█████████▄████▀
███▐████▄███▀
████▐██████▀
█████▀█████
███████████▄
████████████▄
██▄█████▀█████▄
▄█████████▀█████▀
███████████▀██▀
████▀█████████
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
c.h.
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀█











▄▄▄█
▄██████▄▄▄
█████████████▄▄
███████████████
███████████████
███████████████
███████████████
███░░█████████
███▌▐█████████
█████████████
███████████▀
██████████▀
████████▀
▀██▀▀
Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!