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August 29, 2021, 10:11:22 PM
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Leave the derivation path as default (m/44'/145'/0').
I did this in Electron Cash using the seed I created in Blockchain and nothing appears.  The Bitcoin Cash still appears in another wallet as an imported address, watching only.  Any suggestions?
There is a slight trick with "forked" coins... they'll be on addresses generated using the "original" coins derivation path. So, in Electron Cash, you want to use the blockchain.com seed, but use the BTC derivation path of m/44'/0'/0' That should find "old" Bitcoin Cash coins from the fork.

The m/44'/145'/0' is only used for "new" Bitcoin Cash wallets. ie. ones created after the fork.



I have just tried it and it didn't work.  I do leave spaces between the seed words don't I?
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August 29, 2021, 10:20:38 PM
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The Bitcoin Cash still appears in another wallet as an imported address, watching only.  Any suggestions?
Note that even if you import the wallet into Electron Cash successfully, the watch-only wallet will still show the balance. By importing the seed phrase into a new wallet, you don't move the fund to a new wallet. You can have multiple same wallets at a same time while all of them show the balance.


The m/44'/145'/0' is only used for "new" Bitcoin Cash wallets. ie. ones created after the fork.
Thanks for the correction.


I do leave spaces between the seed words don't I?
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August 30, 2021, 08:18:21 AM
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I have just tried it and it didn't work.  I do leave spaces between the seed words don't I?
Did it even create the same addresses as from Electrum? If so, are you sure that this BTC wallet even had coins in it at the time of the BCH fork? Huh

Did you put the BTC address into blockchair.com and see what it says? Huh For instance, here is an old coinbase address from Block#200 that is still 'unspent': 1HwmP33SaknLYShXfjVU8KmVThU3JiuVgH

If we put that into the search at blockchair.com we can see that it has BTC, BCH and BSV:





As a test, try and see if you can replicate this scenario with "known good" data. I just created a test BIP39 seed:
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I loaded it up in both Electrum 4.1.5 and Electron Cash 4.2.5... I used "BIP39 seed" option in when entering the seed on both. In Electrum, I chose "Legacy" - m/44'/0'/0'.... and in Electron Cash, also opted for the legacy m/44'/0'/0' option... They both generate the same addresses:


NOTE: in Electron Cash, you have to click this icon in the bottom right corner to swap between cashaddr and Legacy address formats:



See if you can create the 2 wallets in Electrum and Electron Cash and see if you also get the same addresses generated as the first 2 addresses in the address list:
- 1ArEK4rsCkvUh2Q4ZVa6xXQLnBy4yQtwPy
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If that works, but you still can't get it working when using your blockchain.com 12 word seed, then I suspect the wallet you're trying to get the BCH out of, is NOT part of your Blockchain.com HD wallet... so it won't be generated by the 12 word seed. Undecided It might be an imported private key/address in blockchain.com wallet instead.

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September 04, 2021, 08:51:39 AM
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Thank you for all your  help.  I've learnt a lot.  I've moved my Bitcoin Cash over to Coinbase now.  Now onto Electrum SV.  Is this the correct link to it's Wallet?  I couldn't find a link  from https://bitcoinsv.com/en
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September 04, 2021, 09:26:46 AM
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Thank you for all your  help.  I've learnt a lot.  I've moved my Bitcoin Cash over to Coinbase now. 
What fixed the issue you were having with Bitcoin Cash? Huh It might be helpful for anyone else finding this thread later if you could explain what you did to get it.


Now onto Electrum SV.  Is this the correct link to it's Wallet?  I couldn't find a link  from https://bitcoinsv.com/en
I believe the "official" website is: https://electrumsv.io/

But I offer no guarantees, use at your own risk Tongue

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September 04, 2021, 09:30:57 AM
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Thank you for all your  help.  I've learnt a lot.  I've moved my Bitcoin Cash over to Coinbase now.  Now onto Electrum SV.  Is this the correct link to it's Wallet?  I couldn't find a link  from https://bitcoinsv.com/en
Can you post your address (if you don't mind the privacy loss)? I'm curious to see if you lost your BSV/BCH-A to the lack of replay protection. The BCH-A Fork is now worth more than BSV.

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September 04, 2021, 11:58:31 AM
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Thank you for all your  help.  I've learnt a lot.  I've moved my Bitcoin Cash over to Coinbase now.  Now onto Electrum SV.  Is this the correct link to it's Wallet?  I couldn't find a link  from https://bitcoinsv.com/en
Can you post your address (if you don't mind the privacy loss)? I'm curious to see if you lost your BSV/BCH-A to the lack of replay protection. The BCH-A Fork is now worth more than BSV.

I'm relatively new to all of this even though I purchased my bitcoin back in 2013.  I couldn't even remember transferring it to Blockchain.  I was getting confused regarding the address and the key and the seed.  I found the key from a paper wallet I mentioned earlier in the thread and using it, I managed to recover my Bitcoin Cash.  The seed I created didn't.  I also had another 16 word  seed I had written down  years ago.  I tried that and it didn't work  but I think it was linked  to my Blockchain wallet.  I am learning slowly.  When I purchased Bitcoin it was worth around £100.  Who would have thought it  would have reached these heights and until recently, I thought I had  lost mine until I decided to search in an old computed I had lying around and found the account name with Blockchain in my 'favourites'.  My only regret is not having bought more.
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September 04, 2021, 08:34:44 PM
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I found the key from a paper wallet I mentioned earlier in the thread and using it, I managed to recover my Bitcoin Cash.  The seed I created didn't. 
Sounds like you had no Bitcoin on the key/addresses generated by that seed at the time of the fork. If you loaded that seed into Electrum and it showed a Bitcoin balance as at 1 August 2017, it should also have had Bitcoin Cash.

Loading the seed into Electron Cash, did it show any history at all? Huh Were the BCH coins moved after the fork?


I also had another 16 word  seed I had written down  years ago.  I tried that and it didn't work  but I think it was linked  to my Blockchain wallet.
Those old "non-12" word phrases (ie. 15, 16 or 17 words etc) generally tend to be a "password recovery" phrase for blockchain.info... not a "seed" as such.

You can attempt to use it here: https://login.blockchain.com/wallet/forgot-password

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Has anyone used the Bitcoin Diamond BTCD Wallet?  I can't seem to find where it's requires the key or seed.  It's not quite like the Electrum wallet.
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Has anyone used the Bitcoin Diamond BTCD Wallet?  I can't seem to find where it's requires the key or seed.  It's not quite like the Electrum wallet.
It looks just like Electrum. I've turned on my Forkcoin VM for a screenshot of Electrum-BCD-3.0.5.3-Ubuntu:
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Has anyone used the Bitcoin Diamond BTCD Wallet?  I can't seem to find where it's requires the key or seed.  It's not quite like the Electrum wallet.
What did you download? and where did you download it from? Huh

I vaguely remember that there were some "fake" Bitcoin Diamond wallets that stole seeds/keys... The "official" site seems to be: https://www.bitcoindiamond.org

The download page is: https://www.bitcoindiamond.org/download/

There are various options there... but you'll be wanting the one underneath the "Electrum Wallet" heading. The "Qt" wallets are the full node wallets that require downloading the blockchain etc.

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Whatever wallet you download, you need to make sure that you got it from an official source like it was suggested to you in the previous posts. Unfortunately, you can't trust Google to point you in the right direction because they sell ad space to scammers advertising phishing sites whose goal is to steal your coins and/or infect your device. If you google a particular wallet, it has happened in the past that the first result is a fake site.

You can use CoinMarketCap, for example, to point you in the right direction. Here is what they have on the coins that were mentioned recently:
Bitcoin Diamond
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Bitcoin Cash

If you need anything else, just enter it on the search bar on the top right.

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OK thanks.  I am fine with the Bitcoin Diamond Wallet now.  It's the Bitcoin Gold Wallet which is causing me problems downloaded from link from Coinmarketcap.  Can't find anywhere to enter an address or seed or key. Huh
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It's the Bitcoin Gold Wallet which is causing me problems downloaded from link from Coinmarketcap.  Can't find anywhere to enter an address or seed or key.
Have you tried ElectrumG wallet?
I just downloaded it to see how it works. It's same as electrum. It allows you to import your seed phrase.

Select "Standard wallet" and then "I already have a seed."




ElectrumG also allow you to import your private keys. Select "Import Bitcoin Gold addresses or private keys."



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Well thank you all.  I've managed to retrieve all those forks thanks to the assistance of people on here.  In fact, I wouldn't have been able to retrieve the Bitcoins either if it wasn't for help on this thread.  I've learnt a great deal here.  I'm going to hang onto the Bitcoin.  We'll see how things  go.

Can anyone suggest a good book regarding Bitcoin?  Nothing too complicated.  There's a lot on Amazon.

Incidentally, I've left my Bitcoin on Coinfloor.  Is that a good course of action?
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Incidentally, I've left my Bitcoin on Coinfloor.  Is that a good course of action?
In the case you are referring to this website, that's an exchange not a wallet.
I haven't ever used this service and I don't know how reputable they are. It may be a good choice for selling and buying bitcoin, but it's not recommended to hold bitcoin on an exchange.

When you hold bitcoin on an exchange, you give all your fund to them and instead they show you a number as your balance. Since you don't have control over keys, you aren't the real owner of the fund.
For holding bitcoin, I recommend you to use a non-custodial wallet like electrum.

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Thanks Pmalek for noticing the typo.

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It may be a good choice for selling and buying bitcoin, but it's not recommended to hold bitcoin on an exchange.
Just a small typo in your previous post. I fixed it for you Wink

Can anyone suggest a good book regarding Bitcoin?  Nothing too complicated.
I would advise you to take a look at the Bitcoin for Beginners series by Andreas Antonopoulos. The playlist consists of 45 videos of various lengths. Some are as short as 4-5 minutes but there are also video lectures as long as 1-2 hours. And it's free.

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Can anyone suggest a good book regarding Bitcoin?  Nothing too complicated.  There's a lot on Amazon.
Here're my recommendations if you're not a techie-guy:

The Bitcoin Standard: The Decentralized Alternative to Central Banking
Bitcoin: Hard Money You Can't F*ck With: Why bitcoin will be the next global reserve currency
21 Lessons: What I've Learned from Falling Down the Bitcoin Rabbit Hole (for later)

Or if you love computers:

Mastering Bitcoin
learnmeabitcoin.com (not a book!)



Not that this forum is also a great source of knowledge. Whichever book you read, you may get yourself redirected here. It's generally a known place, it even had the creator of Bitcoin hanging around sometime (!).

Incidentally, I've left my Bitcoin on Coinfloor.  Is that a good course of action?
In case Coinfloor is an exchange: No.

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OK thank you for the replies.

I've set up an electrum account.  I have then chosen the option to create a 'new seed' which I have written down on a piece of paper.  I've also set up a password.  Then I guess I go to the 'receive' page and click on the 'New address' tab and I provide this to Coinfloor as an address to send me the Bitcoin to this wallet.  Am I doing this correctly?  I see that that address it's generated is only available for 1 day.  But once there's Bitcoin in it I presume it  becomes permanent?

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Then I guess I go to the 'receive' page and click on the 'New address' tab and I provide this to Coinfloor as an address to send me the Bitcoin to this wallet.  Am I doing this correctly?
You can also go to "Addresses" tab and see all your addresses.
If "Addresses" tab is not available, you can click on "View" at top of the window and select "Show addresses".

I see that that address it's generated is only available for 1 day.  But once there's Bitcoin in it I presume it  becomes permanent?
All bitcoin addresses are permanent. They will work forever, even if they don't receive any bitcoin.
The expiry time you see there is used only for knowing whether the sender has sent the fund in time or not. Ignore it.

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