Chipmixer campaign by the constant pressure of the hypocrite?

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we often see pressure on this campaign and on the manager of them. Now is actually, why there are no participants from Russia and Turkey.

I am wondering, whether all other campaigns have been checked and whether there are members from Russia and Turkey in all of them?
When other campaigns will be checked for racism? If not, why only ChipMixer?
whether all other languages are represented in this campaign and whether it is racism if only Russian and Turkey members complain about this fact?

Is this a proper answer to all doubt here?

Not only Ratimov.
taikuri13 was removed too. taikuri13 wrote a lot in the Russian locale. Now they stopped paying him and in the Russians had almost nothing to read.

So, without Chipmixer campaign payments, Russians had nothing to read. This section going to die without these paid posts?! 

User Ratimov is removed from the CM campaign. I don't know why and it's not my problem but obviously, the purpose of this attack on Ratimov is to be removed from the CM campaign. Thread is locked right after DarkStar_ removed them from the campaign. (IDK is it the reason why he is removed from there)

many of the whistleblowers called the bearers of the CM signature "sponsored by drug dealers, terrorist, paedophiles etc..."
if such an opinion is about ChipMixer business, why you try to be a part of it, and why you want them on your local board?

I saw this, but I saw no apology by those who accuse him

I generally don't comment publicly on why someone was removed, but I had my own (different) reasons for removing both of them. There will be a Russian replacement soon.

that this is not an isolated case by a single user ^{~DefaultTrust}, here is another example of hypocrisy

A two months ago, there was a chase on this campaign ^{and manager} because of the high payment rate?! 
After the consolidation of payment per post, even if this campaign is still with the highest rate, there were objections again.
For example, why no one complains about the low payment rate campaign as Bitvest or 777coin? To be clear, I haven't anything against them, but why there no pressure on them to increase payouts and raise the quality of participants?
ChipMixer is guilty because they lowered the rate down from $27 to $6, and some others are ok with a $0.3 per post. What I missed here?

in the end, it's all about money or potential earnings when participating in this campaign, right?

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[stompix]

I was going to point out the same thing about Russians having nothing left to read once Chipmixer stops paying two users for posting there but it was a self-moderated topic so probably that moron would delete it as soon as he sees it.

But in the end, I don't think it's only about the money, there are a lot of personal vendettas in this forum, a lot of members in CM are on DT1 they have tagged a lot of scammers, and now they try with their alts to stir some shit whenever something happens even if it has no logic behind it.
~defaulttrust argued for months that Ratimov was a shitposter, now that he is no longer in the campaign DS is a racist. If DS allows a Russian participant in the campaign he is going to call him a communist or a supporter of Putin's regime probably, and so on and on and on.

This is a neverending troll fest!

[NeuroticFish]

This is a neverending troll fest!

That's exactly why I didn't answer in that last topic. "Don't feed the troll", remember? On the other hand, what could we do, report it?!
And it has also occurred to me: all that drama, in all directions, (all those vendettas), is it that big or it's between a small number of "multi-account armies"?!

The pressure on DS shoulders is big, since CM is still paying very good and it may be the only campaign paying (hence encouraging!) local boards...

[~DefaultTrust]

many of the whistleblowers called the bearers of the CM signature "sponsored by drug dealers, terrorist, paedophiles etc..."
if such an opinion is about ChipMixer business, why you try to be a part of it, and why you want them on your local board?

You argue well, but I have only a small amendment. I am never tried to be part of business with drug dealers, terrorist, paedophiles etc... Maybe only for trolling, but no more.
You understood me wrong. I am not in the least saddened by the absence of Chipmixer in the Russian locale.

In my topic, I only state the facts.
I think these facts should be known to everyone who is going to have a business with a Chipmixer.

It's all. No hypocrisy. No personal vendettas.

For example, why no one complains about the low payment rate campaign as Bitvest or 777coin? To be clear, I haven't anything against them,

Perhaps due to the fact that the members of the Chipmixer's campaign (and their sycophants) are most aggressive in their behavior on the forum.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Not only Ratimov.
taikuri13 was removed too. taikuri13 wrote a lot in the Russian locale. Now they stopped paying him and in the Russians had almost nothing to read.

So there were only those users who were in Chipmixer campaign kept the board alive and now they have been removed so no one there to make posts or create topic? 😛
If this is true then those participants were spammer imo. They had this only intention of to have a place in the campaign and earn money, not the responsibility to contribute in the bitcoin community.

These users Ratimov and some other were in attention few months ago because of some different level of plagiarism technique. It will be interesting if he/she reduced the number of posts that they used to make before and the efforts they used to give on the forum.

Can someone find a statistic about their positing activities?

All hypocrisy goes down to Cimpmixer because they pick good influencers of the forum who are more or less active against scam and forum affairs, the payment rate was too high and still is high so when someone can not make a position they starts hating it, the massive success of Chipmixer.

I do not see any other reason.

[lovesmayfamilis]

To be honest, I don't understand why it was necessary to create this theme at all? If every topic created by a schizophrenic (~ DefaultTrust) fool is reacted and taken seriously, then every such schizophrenic will take note of this, and will regularly begin to engage in it.

I don’t understand how you can trust this troll, who decided to speak from the entire Russian community? Do you see other people here who are outraged and even more so accuse the manager of Chipmixer? All normal people understand that a manager can exclude a person from the company at any time.

From myself, I can say that the Russian locale has long ceased to be friendly. Regular attacks on Ratimov became a good pastime and entertainment for the trolls. And taking into account the fact that there was a small bunch of small dirty people gathered there, constantly swearing with obscene words, many have no desire to write something once again there.

Therefore, please, you do not need to expose and think that ~ DefaultTrust is delegated from all Russians. Small bunch, that's not all. And even more so to believe such lost people who have a scandal is the meaning of life.

[suchmoon]

It's all. No hypocrisy. No personal vendettas.

Yeah it's personal. You've been trolling Ratimov for quite a while. You didn't do this shit for any other users who got removed from the campaign. As far as troll jobs go this is quite lame.

[pugman]

Dude there are so many fucking reasons why people just keep coming after CM:

- Chipmixer has been the longest, highest paying campaign thus far. It has paid its participants more in bitcoin than any other sig. campaign. I am talking 100s and 100s of Bitcoins. Before the payments changed, there used to be payments of over 150k-200k$ every week. People kill for that money. So you know?

- The whole DT and merit crap, so many people give a shit about it and chipmixer participants usually have alot of merit to give away and half of them are pretty much DT members. What can I say, cult of DarkStar_ runs the forum. 

- Now that people like Lauda/Lutpin/Bruno/twitchy seal etc etc are not active anymore, the trolls need someone to target, don't they now?

The people actually in the campaign don't give a flying rainbow fuck about these trolls, cause we have been seeing it day in and day out. The trolls if anything, are helping us. We are getting paid to shit talk back to their utter abhorant-stinking-3rd world garbage posting posts while the trolls are sucking their own shit from their own butt.

Honestly, shoutout to DarkStar_, he has pretty much single handedly made the whole forum get jealous of CM participants. 

[savetheFORUM]

To the blind members who might come and dare me to come with my main account, this is for you.

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

Before getting into all the drama here, I have a question which I request anyone who wears the CM campaign signature to answer.

Why are you supporting money laundering services?

Source: https://news.bitcoin.com/criminalize-onchain-privacy-mixer/

So mixers are clearly illegal and I cannot understand why promoting a money laundering service is being taken with such pride? Because they are paying good money? Well, then you guys have no right to tag the ponzi promoters and yoshit promoters.

If you are saying that promoting anything by taking money is allowed then you should not judge and tag users because they are promoting other illegal stuff.

You are wearing a chipmixer signature. Now let us logically look at this alright?
In the fiat world such a service is highly illegal and is money laundry.

Alice: Hello Bob can you break my ¥1,000 banknote for ¥100 coins? I'm so thirsty!
Bob: I'm sorry Alice. Such a service is highly illegal and is money laundry.

Converting a bigger note into smaller ones is not money laundering but allowing hackers to mix their coins and get away is actually illegal.

There are innocent users who don't intend to scam others and mix their coins for their safety, right. But that doesn't hide how many illegal users are mixing their coins.

Yoshit scams lets say 90% of the users and 10% are not scammed, and I am among the 10%, does that enable me to promote them without any problem? Because hey, yes they are scammers but they don't scam everyone!

Similarl, CM doesn't always mix coins for hackers, but at times they do.

A good article, how CM allows hackers to mix their funds. You might be among one of the victims of these scammers one day and imagine the signature you are wearing helping hackers mix your own funds and help them run away, how amazing!

https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2019/08/150394-chipmixer-bitcoin-tumbler-used-to-launder-funds-stolen-in-80-million-usd-hack-on-binance/

[suchmoon]

Yoshit scams lets say 90% of the users and 10% are not scammed, and I am among the 10%, does that enable me to promote them without any problem? Because hey, yes they are scammers but they don't scam everyone!

To the best of my knowledge, Chipmixer scammed 0% of its users.

Similarl, CM doesn't always mix coins for hackers, but at times they do.

At times bad people use this forum too, so lock your account and go to your safe space before agents Mulder and Scully come knocking on your door.

[savetheFORUM]

Yoshit scams lets say 90% of the users and 10% are not scammed, and I am among the 10%, does that enable me to promote them without any problem? Because hey, yes they are scammers but they don't scam everyone!

To the best of my knowledge, Chipmixer scammed 0% of its users.

Similarl, CM doesn't always mix coins for hackers, but at times they do.

At times bad people use this forum too, so lock your account and go to your safe space before agents Mulder and Scully come knocking on your door.

But mixers are defined as illegal, how do you defend promoting something illegal?

There are drug dealers who might be supplying drugs to everyone and maybe a lot of people benefit in their health with that, doesn't make the illegal drug dealer legal.

If they are mixing coins for users who want to maintain their anonymity do it, but not when it's defined as illegal.

As always, I don't shout without proofs and sources so here goes the illegal confirmation: https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-mixers-are-illegal-and-anonymity-is-dangerous/

If mixers were doing KYC and operating legally, I had no problems with them. Mix the coins but at least know whom you are aiding, a hacker who has cleaned an exchange or an innocent user who just want to avoid being tracked.

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I don’t understand how you can trust this troll, who decided to speak from the entire Russian community? Do you see other people here who are outraged and even more so accuse the manager of Chipmixer? All normal people understand that a manager can exclude a person from the company at any time.

I don't trust such people I just wanted to call some things by their real names. It was not possible in his self-moderated topic.
Of course, this is not general for the whole Russian community. Just for a few trolls, they will already be recognized.

It's all. No hypocrisy. No personal vendettas.

Yeah it's personal. You've been trolling Ratimov for quite a while. You didn't do this shit for any other users who got removed from the campaign. As far as troll jobs go this is quite lame.

interest in Ratimov health ceased as soon as he was removed from the campaign. That it is jealousy and hypocrisy.

Before getting into all the drama here, I have a question which I request anyone who wears the CM campaign signature to answer.

Here is no drama. This thread is not about "CM legit or not" it's about why is only CM under the microscope here. You ask CM campaign participants, but why you miss users or members which participate in other mixers campaigns?

This topic deserves a bump because not many users have the balls to challenge the CM gang members.

You say you have balls but still posting from an alt account. I am not saying that is not okay, but it is not the way how its doing by people who have balls.

[suchmoon]

But mixers are defined as illegal

No.

[Quickseller]

Yes, the pressure campaigns against CM are all about money. CM pays a lot more than any other campaign. Part of this could be that CM has so many spots, so it is well represented in many different communities in the forum. Most other campaigns have only a handful of spots, and most campaign managers do not put as much effort into trying to maximize exposure throughout the forum.

[~DefaultTrust]

I think that Russians do not write in this section because they are sick of this section. Writing here either naive like me, or those who want to get into the trust for their own selfish purposes.
This section of the forum is a bunch of hypocrites and sycophants. The most striking examples:

English speaking

LoyceV - a man without brain. Acts strictly according to algorithms. If the algorithm trusts the person, then LoyceV also trusts the person too. If the algorithm trusts Ratimov, and Ratimov said,
that I am an corner's alt - it means I am an corner's alt! Super logic of the most trusted user yes?!

suchmoon - sponsor and best friend of LoyceV. If LoyceV said that I am the corner's alt, then I am the corner's alt. Logics! And since I am an corner's alt, then it is obvious that I
a troll and an abuser, I want to steal IP addresses of users.
At the same time, suchmoon bought (from a well-known troll and liar Vod) a BPIP service that not only collects IP addresses of users, but also keeps statistics well on who is interested to whom from which address.
But the troll and the abuser is of course me.

Russian speaking

Ratimov - while he was a newbie, he bravely reported and red-painted accounts-sellers and buyers in the Russian locale. For this he had received merits and was added to the DT. Even when he received a high rank, he did not enter into any signature campaigns and publicly swore that the purpose of his presence on the forum was a disinterested fight against fraudsters!
A month after this public oath, he applied for the CM signature campaign. When he finally got into CM, he somehow suddenly stopped noticing account buyers, for example, such as icopress

KTChampions - while he was a newbie, he was actively looking for account farms, fought against corruption in ru-locale. As soon as he got the rank and got into the DT and the subscription campaign, he suddenly lost interest in the struggle for justice and generally. Probably because corruption is now defeated thanks to him!

taikuri13 - very balanced and reasonable participant in ru-locale. He has wrote literate and detailed (and useless) posts in the Russian locale on almost any topic. He was a real "expert" in all matters. Was in the subscription CM for about two years.
On the day when it became known about his exclusion from the CM, he suddenly disappeared from the forum completely, he no longer wrote a single post

lovesmayfamilis - perhaps she is the only one person from the ru-local who actively continues to deal with exposures even after gaining a rank and getting into a signature campaign. Probably because there is not enough brains for anything else. If she starts doing something else, then there is probably again a chance to be permanently banned for plagiarism.
lovesmayfamilis, I hope the darkstar appreciated your efforts and will take you into their campaign to help pedophiles and drug dealers. But be careful. Karma may come back someday. And your loved family will face pedophiles and drug dealers directly.

[NotATether]

English speaking

Russian speaking

You forgot Spanish, French, Portuguese, German speakers, etc.

When you make an example it's supposed to represent all sides.

[~DefaultTrust]

You forgot Spanish, French, Portuguese, German speakers, etc.

When you make an example it's supposed to represent all sides.

Do you think it's because I'm a racist?

[NotATether]

You forgot Spanish, French, Portuguese, German speakers, etc.

When you make an example it's supposed to represent all sides.

Do you think it's because I'm a racist?

No it's because you can't make a generalization out of a small number of users. You claim:

This section of the forum is a bunch of hypocrites and sycophants.

This implies an overwhelming majority of people posting in Reputation are "hypocrites and sycophants". There are around a hundred users who recently posted there if you do a quick count of the most recent few pages, however you only list 6 when this number suggests you should have at least 75.

For your case in particular if you want to claim that a section of the forum is racist then it's not enough to list English and Russian users, you also need to find people of other boards and somehow prove that they are "racist".

[~DefaultTrust]

For your case in particular if you want to claim that a section of the forum is racist then it's not enough to list English and Russian users, you also need to find people of other boards and somehow prove that they are "racist".

Maybe there are wonderful people here. But in Russian there is a saying: "a fly in the ointment spoils a barrel of honey". So (6 / 75) * 100 = 8% tar makes DefaultTrust system unbearably smelly.
These are only people (do not count "RIPed" Lauda and TMAN here) with whom I had to deal with in one way or another. Tip of the iceberg i'm sure

[DaveF]

And yet it comes back to trolls who do not understand how BTC and cryptos and exchanges work

Although a bit OT, last I heard [I did not check] most darknet markets are using XMR instead of BTC since it's way more anonymous.

Back to the subject on hand, there seems to be a bit of a loop going on here and although people seem to agree with me they still come back to CM is for "bad people"

No, it's for lazy people. There is nothing CM does that you can not do yourself. I just went and setup accounts on 2 exchanges that require nothing more then an email, actually used a separate disposable email service for each one while sitting in a parking lot on the free Wi-Fi from the Wendy's

Both have about the same price on XMR at the moment. So I could move my BTC to 1 of the exchanges, trade to XMR, withdraw to another exchange and trade back to BTC and to my wallet.

Would cost me ~ 30 minutes of time, 1.5% trade fee, .01 XMR withdraw fee and the BTC withdraw fee.

To find me you would need to get the records of an exchange in China and exchange someplace else and then figure out how to trace XMR.

*I did not do this because I have better things to do with my time but the point remains the same.
Or, I don't know, install Samourai Wallet and use Whirlpool and be done.

-Dave

When I get above a certain amount of BTC in my wallet from selling stuff here, payments (if any) from any sig campaign I am in I used to "anonymize" my coins in a very simple way not outlined above but.... Take funds and add to lightning wallet over a weekend or whenever fees were low, create invoice on another device with a different lightning wallet connect to different location. Generate a few invoices to break up the payments and then withdraw to on chain funds. Also untraceable.

Now I don't do that anymore but I could again quite easily.

Every time someone comes up with a "mixers are bad" I can come up with a "mixers are for people too lazy to do it themselves way"

As for the advertising side, did you ever stop to think that since there were people with sigs in certain language sections and now there are not that CM took a look after the people in those sections were out of the campaign and said "look, no difference in the number of users / amount of BTC mixed" and said to DS "yeah we don't need people from there"

-Dave