Fake bets

[Rufsilf]

Edit:
This seems to be a pretty controversial subject, so I decided to write this blog post to expand on my thoughts on this:
https://twitter.com/CSGOEmpireV2/status/1375068884584267778

I'm curious to hear what the Bitcointalk community thinks about this topic;

Casinos using fake bets to attract new players.

I was surprised to learn that the vast majority of videos and streams on Roobet.com are actually fake.
Here are a couple of examples of different deal formats that casinos are making with the influencers:

A) Bet amount inflation; The streamer only wants to gamble with $100. The site gives them "$10000" in funds, but only 1% of this is withdrawable. The viewers will think that the streamer is gambling with $10000, while in reality, they're only risking $100.

B) Infinite refills; The casino makes an agreement with the streamer. Let's say they want to pay the streamer $50,000 for a sponsorship contract. They start giving the streamer endless $1000 refills, which the streamer is supposed to gamble with. They will repeat this process until they "win" $50,000. The streamer will pretend to be shocked and highlight this big win in all of their social media channels. However, the truth is that there were zero risks involved for the streamer, and the final outcome was already known -- It was just a matter of time.

I brought this topic up in Roobet's Bitcointalk thread, and I was quite surprised to see a lot of people defending them, saying that this is totally justified. They mentioned points such as:
- "This has been going on for years. It's normal in the casino community."
- "The streamers are honest about it. They have a disclaimer somewhere stating that it's fake." (Their explanations usually are very indirect and abstract.)

In my personal opinion, this sort of marketing is highly deceiving and dishonest. Roobet (and other casinos) are inflating their systems with fake bets, pretending to be more popular than they really are. This is a loss for both, legit sites that don't want to inflate their numbers, and legit streamers who don't want to participate in the circus of fake bets and fake reactions.

What do you think?

This is already common not just in the gambling industry but also in other industries as well like action-games, food and beverage industry just to acquire new customers.
But in gambling industry either if it's online or not, famous streamers and vloggers are their main target to make some advertisement for them because these guys have already many followers and the casinos can use that and take advantage to bring in customers especially for those casinos that are just starting up.
Yes it's fake and we know that, and probably it's a personal knowledge but it's their tactics to gain regulars and it's up to the people if they can be baited.

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[Fredomago]

The only not legit video is when or if a player operated the game with fake odds ongoing and they were given an advantage not available to all players.    Its not enough to call out just because yes the casino paid the streamer to play a game, demonstrating a product is normal in every industry I can think of.    Did he win and lose the game in a way available publicly to everyone, thats fine then.
  You can bet tiny amounts on most of these games, nobody is forcing people to use more money then they can afford to lose.  Dont borrow money to spend on anything, definitely dont do that in gambling as it is just a game activity.  I've seen no message to tell me I have to overspend, this is my own mistake to own I play small till Im very much more comfortable as thats best.

No one's forcing you, even you watched those fake bets coming from paid streamers, they can't force you to do the same and bet using your own money, the full responsibilities remained at your end as a gambler, though there are influenced or something that may push you to try doing the same thing but it is not the streamers obligation.

It's all your take and you needed to make sure with each action that you will going to take while staying inside the gambling site.

It's more on your money, your obligation,  business is business and casinos will try every possible venue to attract more gamblers to play using their platforms. 

[fullhdpixel]

No one's forcing you, even you watched those fake bets coming from paid streamers, they can't force you to do the same and bet using your own money, the full responsibilities remained at your end as a gambler

Enforcement may happen even without knowledge of us. I mean new gamblers definitely will get misguided which is kind of enforcement as per my books. I wish everything should be fair and honest so that in the end no one will get into wrong things due to fake promotions. Overall, I am completely not ready to move on against such a paid streaming because in my opinion they are try to steal money from naive gamblers.

business is business and casinos will try every possible venue to attract more gamblers to play using their platforms. 

Robbers are will argue that robbing is their core business and a terrorist will try to justify brain-washing is their business so we need to move on by accepting them? I never agree anything against general moral even it is part of a business.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The only not legit video is when or if a player operated the game with fake odds ongoing and they were given an advantage not available to all players.    Its not enough to call out just because yes the casino paid the streamer to play a game, demonstrating a product is normal in every industry I can think of.    Did he win and lose the game in a way available publicly to everyone, thats fine then.
  You can bet tiny amounts on most of these games, nobody is forcing people to use more money then they can afford to lose.  Dont borrow money to spend on anything, definitely dont do that in gambling as it is just a game activity.  I've seen no message to tell me I have to overspend, this is my own mistake to own I play small till Im very much more comfortable as thats best.

No one's forcing you, even you watched those fake bets coming from paid streamers, they can't force you to do the same and bet using your own money, the full responsibilities remained at your end as a gambler, though there are influenced or something that may push you to try doing the same thing but it is not the streamers obligation.

It's all your take and you needed to make sure with each action that you will going to take while staying inside the gambling site.

It's more on your money, your obligation,  business is business and casinos will try every possible venue to attract more gamblers to play using their platforms. 

Totally according to your criteria, I have been noticing that currently the Twitch platform is being widely used both for NFT games and for sports games and betting, which is not bad, but if I have seen few cases when they are false bets, But this already has to do with the criteria of each person, it is known that to make a bet you must know both the sport or the game to be able to enter, I am in favor of knowing first before betting, finally I leave my decision to sentimental criteria It is for this reason that you have to know what information we can take into account as advice, because nobody forces you to bet, everything falls on our own responsibility.

[michellee]

business is business and casinos will try every possible venue to attract more gamblers to play using their platforms. 

Robbers are will argue that robbing is their core business and a terrorist will try to justify brain-washing is their business so we need to move on by accepting them? I never agree anything against general moral even it is part of a business.

That is the reality in society, although we do not like it because they can easily force us to accept what they want. Some owners will still use bad ways while others will prevent using those bad ways because they consider that their business can get a problem if they follow the bad ways. It needs a firmness from the regulator to control that and if it is necessary, they can use punishment to that robbers. It will not stop the casino from attracting more gamblers to still play on their platforms.

[Silberman]

I agree with you but you shouldn't forget that most viewers of this kind of videos are very young and one part of them is not adult. Then  there is a need to find a way to prevent them from being abused by those scammy/fake demos.

And this is the problem, if the audience of those kind of channels were people that knew that this kind of promotion is not real then there will not be such a huge issue, but many of those watching that type of advertising are people that do not have the experience necessary to know that what they are seeing is not real, and since they trust the streamer they try their luck in a casino due to that publicity thinking winning is as easy as what they saw in the video only to realize too late this is not the case.

[Lucasgabd]

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So from reading your post i can't understand: Do you consider fake bets and influencers who make them bad or not? And yeah, influencers can affect anyone who watching them. If you're watching someone for too long that means you can be influenced by this person even in small kind. And it's doesn't matter skilled gambler or not.

there's a brazilian song by Novos Baianos that says: "it's the natural law of meetings, I leave a bit and receive a bit" so yes, I'd agree that we are always affected somehow by the information we consume and by all the conversations we have, though some people will be more prone to be influenced than others

[hahay]

I agree with you but you shouldn't forget that most viewers of this kind of videos are very young and one part of them is not adult. Then  there is a need to find a way to prevent them from being abused by those scammy/fake demos.

And this is the problem, if the audience of those kind of channels were people that knew that this kind of promotion is not real then there will not be such a huge issue, but many of those watching that type of advertising are people that do not have the experience necessary to know that what they are seeing is not real, and since they trust the streamer they try their luck in a casino due to that publicity thinking winning is as easy as what they saw in the video only to realize too late this is not the case.

But the fact is that everyone has a different curiosity and personality, of course, so even though there are people who realize it's not real, the fact is that they are sometimes also compelled to return to betting because the video is like a motivation or encouragement for them. Also, those who are affected do not always have to use the same site or platform, at least when they feel the video can be an encouragement then they will easily make a deposit on the platform they are used to. Therefore, they will roll with high confidence and with the hope of winning big or easy like the video they saw. Even though behind all that if they want to win big, they must at least learn it first and not only hope for luck.

[uneng]

I agree with you but you shouldn't forget that most viewers of this kind of videos are very young and one part of them is not adult. Then  there is a need to find a way to prevent them from being abused by those scammy/fake demos.

And this is the problem, if the audience of those kind of channels were people that knew that this kind of promotion is not real then there will not be such a huge issue, but many of those watching that type of advertising are people that do not have the experience necessary to know that what they are seeing is not real, and since they trust the streamer they try their luck in a casino due to that publicity thinking winning is as easy as what they saw in the video only to realize too late this is not the case.

Unfortunatelly there isn't a perfect solution for this issue. Scams/fake propagandas have always existed and people have been only able to avoid them through self awareness. Sometimes we have to fall for them to learn we shouldn't act the same way again in the future or in the best scenario we can learn with someone else's mistake. But inevitably there are always people falling for scams and at same time scams are always evolving and being adapted to the new technologies.

What we see on the internet now is just an evolution of the old streets' scams. There was the popular shell game usually promoted by an entertaining man on the streets, calling for the attention of the pedestrians around to give a try on his guessing game. But what wasn't told, was that there were 2 or 3 strawmen nearby, who would promptly accept the challenge, always winning the man easily.

So another pedestrians, watching that situation imagined they could win as well without any effort. However, once it was their turn the host mixed the shells much more faster, with superior agility skills than he did against his strawmen, in a way it was very hard to predict the correct shell, consequently leading the gambler to a loss.

I mean, the strategy of fake bets didn't start with Youtube or Twitch. It has been always around and just like streets' scams, people need to learn how to deal with them for their own good.

[herurist]

This is already common not just in the gambling industry but also in other industries as well like action-games, food and beverage industry just to acquire new customers.
But in gambling industry either if it's online or not, famous streamers and vloggers are their main target to make some advertisement for them because these guys have already many followers and the casinos can use that and take advantage to bring in customers especially for those casinos that are just starting up.
Yes it's fake and we know that, and probably it's a personal knowledge but it's their tactics to gain regulars and it's up to the people if they can be baited.

they are like spices in a vegetable that is intended to make a product that many people look up to.
and indeed the first step is to make an agreement with the streamers or influencers in order to increase the interest of people who don't know about this.
although this kind of thing is very unethical but as long as we are on this path, we will prohibit it and maybe even we can find out something worse than this

[nakamura12]

they are like spices in a vegetable that is intended to make a product that many people look up to.
and indeed the first step is to make an agreement with the streamers or influencers in order to increase the interest of people who don't know about this.
although this kind of thing is very unethical but as long as we are on this path, we will prohibit it and maybe even we can find out something worse than this

It is a way to gather gamblers but it could also lead people to not trust the platform since the site provided a fake bets. Who would want to gamble in a site where even a bets record couldn't be share or using fake ones. That just means, they don't put a lot of effort in making their site more presentable and reputable and many will think that the chance of being scammes is high so it us better to let people know the real bets and total players betting when someone wanted to check.

[CDC AP]

I don't care about being fake or not related to the problem, because I will only gamble using existing gambling sites depending on my own will and not affected by promotions or other things. Not only in gambling, at least I do whatever I want it depends on my own will and not influenced by other people, so I feel that things like this will not affect me personally. But yes, if this problem really happens then things like this are very unfortunate because they have been dishonest or cheated, I hope that not many of them are cheating like this because maybe it won't change anything in their popularity or even get worse.

[chaser15]

I don't care about being fake or not related to the problem, because I will only gamble using existing gambling sites depending on my own will and not affected by promotions or other things. Not only in gambling, at least I do whatever I want it depends on my own will and not influenced by other people, so I feel that things like this will not affect me personally. But yes, if this problem really happens then things like this are very unfortunate because they have been dishonest or cheated, I hope that not many of them are cheating like this because maybe it won't change anything in their popularity or even get worse.

You have a point since regardless if the match will be fixed or not, we don't know what will be the result and all we need is to wait for it.

But sometimes it's really disappointing to see that after deep research and analysis we made before placing a bet on that certain match, it will screwed and all our efforts will be gone to waste because the game turned into a fixed match.

[Silberman]

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So from reading your post i can't understand: Do you consider fake bets and influencers who make them bad or not? And yeah, influencers can affect anyone who watching them. If you're watching someone for too long that means you can be influenced by this person even in small kind. And it's doesn't matter skilled gambler or not.

there's a brazilian song by Novos Baianos that says: "it's the natural law of meetings, I leave a bit and receive a bit" so yes, I'd agree that we are always affected somehow by the information we consume and by all the conversations we have, though some people will be more prone to be influenced than others

Which is why we need to be careful with what we consume as entertainment, those people call themselves influencers, so they are basically trying to influence you in some way to buy the products and services they promote, and while this is something normal as all advertising works like that at the same time this is even more effective when it comes to influencers as people have the tendency to believe they are more closer to them than what they really are due to the nature of social media.

[Oilacris]

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So from reading your post i can't understand: Do you consider fake bets and influencers who make them bad or not? And yeah, influencers can affect anyone who watching them. If you're watching someone for too long that means you can be influenced by this person even in small kind. And it's doesn't matter skilled gambler or not.

there's a brazilian song by Novos Baianos that says: "it's the natural law of meetings, I leave a bit and receive a bit" so yes, I'd agree that we are always affected somehow by the information we consume and by all the conversations we have, though some people will be more prone to be influenced than others

Which is why we need to be careful with what we consume as entertainment, those people call themselves influencers, so they are basically trying to influence you in some way to buy the products and services they promote, and while this is something normal as all advertising works like that at the same time this is even more effective when it comes to influencers as people have the tendency to believe they are more closer to them than what they really are due to the nature of social media.

Those influencers cant really make much off some effect if you are really just that too sensible or aware on your actions or decisions you would make and since its part of traditional marketing strategy then it would really be just typical for them to be that deceptive on where it do really come to a point on where it is already unethical but is there something you can do? You havent forced to do so and its your own
will on engaging it.

[Fredomago]

No one's forcing you, even you watched those fake bets coming from paid streamers, they can't force you to do the same and bet using your own money, the full responsibilities remained at your end as a gambler

Enforcement may happen even without knowledge of us. I mean new gamblers definitely will get misguided which is kind of enforcement as per my books. I wish everything should be fair and honest so that in the end no one will get into wrong things due to fake promotions. Overall, I am completely not ready to move on against such a paid streaming because in my opinion they are try to steal money from naive gamblers.

I see your point, but the reality in this kind of business, the owners are always seeking for best venue to collect possible gamblers to use their platforms, video streaming nowadays are very popular and by means of this channel, casino owners can easily gained traffic from those streamers that they hire to promote their sites and the games inside their platforms.

business is business and casinos will try every possible venue to attract more gamblers to play using their platforms. 

Robbers are will argue that robbing is their core business and a terrorist will try to justify brain-washing is their business so we need to move on by accepting them? I never agree anything against general moral even it is part of a business.

A very good point, I value your idea and like you, it's better to do your business with good conscience, if only the value of truthfulness always inside every casino owners. End of the day, gamblers need to be extra careful in choosing in what to believe.

[izsara]

I agree with you but you shouldn't forget that most viewers of this kind of videos are very young and one part of them is not adult. Then  there is a need to find a way to prevent them from being abused by those scammy/fake demos.

And this is the problem, if the audience of those kind of channels were people that knew that this kind of promotion is not real then there will not be such a huge issue, but many of those watching that type of advertising are people that do not have the experience necessary to know that what they are seeing is not real, and since they trust the streamer they try their luck in a casino due to that publicity thinking winning is as easy as what they saw in the video only to realize too late this is not the case.

yep, they believe too much in the schemes run by streamers and game developers who have worked together before.
besides envy and greed for what other people do is another cause.
when they watch they believe too much and they want to get the same thing the streamer received but that is an impossibility to get.
the opportunity may exist, but not great

[Saint-loup]

I agree with you but you shouldn't forget that most viewers of this kind of videos are very young and one part of them is not adult. Then  there is a need to find a way to prevent them from being abused by those scammy/fake demos.

And this is the problem, if the audience of those kind of channels were people that knew that this kind of promotion is not real then there will not be such a huge issue, but many of those watching that type of advertising are people that do not have the experience necessary to know that what they are seeing is not real, and since they trust the streamer they try their luck in a casino due to that publicity thinking winning is as easy as what they saw in the video only to realize too late this is not the case.

Yes but for the children the problem is more complex than that because even if the child/teenager is aware that the streamer is not gambling with real money he will lust after gambling because he won't be aware as an adult of what money worth actually and how people are making money on other people. He will be naive about his actual chances to win in the long run and how much he is likely to win or to lose. 

[herurist]

they are like spices in a vegetable that is intended to make a product that many people look up to.
and indeed the first step is to make an agreement with the streamers or influencers in order to increase the interest of people who don't know about this.
although this kind of thing is very unethical but as long as we are on this path, we will prohibit it and maybe even we can find out something worse than this

It is a way to gather gamblers but it could also lead people to not trust the platform since the site provided a fake bets. Who would want to gamble in a site where even a bets record couldn't be share or using fake ones. That just means, they don't put a lot of effort in making their site more presentable and reputable and many will think that the chance of being scammes is high so it us better to let people know the real bets and total players betting when someone wanted to check.

apart from that all influences are workers and indeed we can't really blame it. because indeed they are paid even though it is really not justified but again they work and earn money in their own way.
apart from that they are just suggesting and the problem is human greed is so hard to control that's why more and more people are getting entangled

[Lordshiva]

It's an extensive promotion technique opted by many businesses in their intial times when they have setup their business and need more customers base to attract them.The roobet casino is owned by TekHou5 Limited have deep pocket of funds residing wih them and its their technique of promotion.They ask streamers to to bet with high amounts with coupon provided by them and win big amounts but they don't sun that amount but only a fixed payment for their uploads.Its way a attracting customers like many do.