A Major question for the cyber and crypto community

[wishxy]

Who takes responsibility for a thief who stole someone's digital goods and escapes without punishment in decentralized cyberspace?

Cybercrime To Cost The World $10.5 Trillion Annually By 2025
https://cybersecurityventures.com/hackerpocalypse-cybercrime-report-2016/

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[Poker Player]

Who takes responsibility for a thief who stole someone's digital goods and escapes without punishment in decentralized cyberspace?

Cybercrime To Cost The World $10.5 Trillion Annually By 2025
https://cybersecurityventures.com/hackerpocalypse-cybercrime-report-2016/

I don't quite understand your question. He is the only one responsible. And secondarily the authorities who fail to catch him. Also, you mix crimes in cyberspace with the crypto community. Just because a system is decentralized doesn't mean you can't punish those who commit crimes. I am certainly not to blame, and I don't think any of us in the crypto community are.

[jrrsparkles]

Actually no one can steal cryptos without the owners who made mistakes whike storing their private keys. So the actual owner is responsible if he ever lose his crypto assets.

[wishxy]

Actually, no one can steal cryptos without the owners who made mistakes while storing their private keys. So the actual owner is responsible if he ever loses his crypto assets.

Son, if tomorrow somebody kidnaps or rapes your child, you, like a keyholder of your child's freedom, will be responsible because you haven't cared enough, right?
When criminal activity is done, it can not be justified just by the mistakes of the victims.
Human beings are weak creatures. We all make mistakes and we all pay the price for it in one way or another, but this still doesn't mean that somebody who took profit from our mistakes through criminal activity has the right to avoid punishment so he/she can continue freely to the next victim. It will never be accepted and tolerated by the human community.
Freedom with responsibility strongly implies ethics of justice.
It will never be real freedom (with responsibility) and real decentralization under these circumstances where cybercrime became the third "economy" in the world, just because it can.
Pablo is not dead.

[jrrsparkles]

Actually, no one can steal cryptos without the owners who made mistakes while storing their private keys. So the actual owner is responsible if he ever loses his crypto assets.

Son, if tomorrow somebody kidnaps or rapes your child, you, like a keyholder of your child's freedom, will be responsible because you haven't cared enough, right?
When criminal activity is done, it can not be justified just by the mistakes of the victims.
Human beings are weak creatures. We all make mistakes and we all pay the price for it in one way or another, but this still doesn't mean that somebody who took profit from our mistakes through criminal activity has the right to avoid punishment so he/she can continue freely to the next victim. It will never be accepted and tolerated by the human community.
Freedom with responsibility strongly implies ethics of justice.
It will never be real freedom (with responsibility) and real decentralization under these circumstances where cybercrime became the third "economy" in the world, just because it can.
Pablo is not dead.

Children are not dolls to hold them in your hand, you need to take care of them until they become adults means you are responsible until they become adults right so apply the same thing to money, as long as it is in your hand you are responsible.

Taking responsibility by yourself doesn't mean allow the scammer to roam all around free and keep stealing the money, crypto network is transparent so they will get caught if they are sending it to any exchange or someone else who verified their KYC so its more easier to trace the scammer with blockchain technology.

[franky1]

responsibility is not about blame/accusation.. its about duty of having to deal with/control something/someone

responsibility is on the custodian(key holder/parent)

if its your private keys its your funds. you are responsible for DYOR to learn about the recipient. learn if they can be trusted. and find out who/where/what they are
if you put your funds/kids into someone elses custody. you have not absolved yourself of responsibility but now there are twice as many precautions you have to keep an eye on. and they then have responsibility of their own aswell to look after whatever is in their custody

so dont just ignorantly trust them. research them.. because if they wrong you. you have a location and name to identify them to seek justice.
but keep in mind.. prevention is better than after-action.

it does not mean you caused it to happen(bad guys will be bad guys).
but lowering your own precautions will cause things to more then likely happen

even if you do everything possible. and bad things still happen. then atleast i hope you have taken responsible actions to limit the risk of them getting away with it

as for children/kidnapping and rape
when they are in proximity to you. your 100% responsible
when they are not nearby. you still have to have precautions to know where they are going. to teach them what to avoid. to trust they wont get themselves into harms way.
this is not about blaming anyone when it goes wrong. this is about being responsible to prepare and take care to reduce/avoid the risk of it happening.

its not blaming you for causing it after it happens. after all you didnt hire a kidnapper to kidnap
its about taking responsibility to reduce the risk before it happens. to prevent it happening

over-sexualised people will always do what they do. thats not your fault
just reduce the risk of its occurances affecting you or your family.
and if it still happens.. its on the rapist/kidnapper as the person to blame.

[syedakhlaque]

It shows the weakness of the law and order situation in some countries. That in the presence of cybercrime laws and order some commit crime. every country has made laws to stop cybercrime. Someone is doing so.
          It is also possible that the affected person did complain against the thief. So the notice and action has not been taken by the police and other authorities.
       This is the era of online work and business. The network of the internet user is spreading fast. So it is the need of time criminal minded people should be stopped and punished.

[GlobalProtection]

Then there are legal criminals who can legally steal through various means.......  if you know what I mean.....

[BD Crypto]

Its really sad to here about losing funds in Crypto by being scammed or hacked.
Actually There is nothing to know which can punish the theif.Thats why its a must to be self secured.
Thats why try to use Hardware wallets or make sure your funds are safe in online wallets.

[jovan85]

Actually no one can steal cryptos without the owners who made mistakes whike storing their private keys. So the actual owner is responsible if he ever lose his crypto assets.

You mean he's responsible for accidentally going to a banned site and picking up a Trojan or malware, who grabbed his private key in a way that's not known at all.So we need a million protections before we can access our money.I think hackers are still responsible for theft and we for negligence.

[odolvlobo]

Actually no one can steal cryptos without the owners who made mistakes whike storing their private keys. So the actual owner is responsible if he ever lose his crypto assets.

A thief is still a thief no matter how easy it is for them to steal from their victims.

[Magicalking]

Who takes responsibility for a thief who stole someone's digital goods and escapes without punishment in decentralized cyberspace?

Cybercrime To Cost The World $10.5 Trillion Annually By 2025
https://cybersecurityventures.com/hackerpocalypse-cybercrime-report-2016/

The police has cyber crime units. They handle such cases. It will be foolish for criminals to think crypto was designed for thier malicious purposes and evil intent. You will get caught. Last year the police caught the teenagers who hacked the Twitter accounts of famous people and scammed the unsuspecting public of thier bitcoins. Cryptocurrency is not going to protect criminals from justice.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Who takes responsibility for a thief who stole someone's digital goods and escapes without punishment in decentralized cyberspace?

Decentralized cyberspace for not everyone. It's not for granny and grad pas who do not know how to use keyboard, how to browse internet and exchange messages securely. If you have not heard about encryption, done a little study about cryptography, if you do not know how to keep digital asset safely then crypto is not for you. For your own fault do not blame and entire idea.

To answer your question in one word,
You
You are responsible to secure your asset.

Actually no one can steal cryptos without the owners who made mistakes whike storing their private keys. So the actual owner is responsible if he ever lose his crypto assets.

I still know people who save their private key in Google keep and in other digital platform which they think is secure. They argue google do not have anything else to do to check what I have stored in my Google keep or they think there will never be a data lose in google or in those digital platforms. If anyone is that much stupid then let them lose their money. Let them learn from the mistakes when they will not simply learn from other's experience.

Son, if tomorrow somebody kidnaps or rapes your child, you, like a keyholder of your child's freedom, will be responsible because you haven't cared enough, right?

Are you saying kidnapping and rapes are not happening now and they are not asking to give you money. You are also saying every kidnapping and rapes happened so far, the bad guy asked for bitcoin or cryptocurrency to give back your child?

Pablo is not dead.

I wonder if Pablo still knows how to create a bitcoin wallet.

[SmokerFace]

Decentralized doesn't mean that it's not punishable for the person who commits cybercrimes nor does it allow anyone to commit cybercrimes. Every crime is accountable under the prescribed laws of any country and every country has authorities for accountability and punishing cyber criminals. (i.e.: Cyber Crime Police in India and FIA Cybercrime wing in Pakistan) It certainly isn't justifiable that cybercrimes are non-punishable.

[wishxy]

Who takes responsibility for a thief who stole someone's digital goods and escapes without punishment in decentralized cyberspace?

Decentralized cyberspace for not everyone. It's not for granny and grad pas who do not know how to use a keyboard, how to browse internet and exchange messages securely. If you have not heard about encryption, done a little study about cryptography, if you do not know how to keep digital assets safely then crypto is not for you. For your own fault do not blame and entire idea.

To answer your question in one word,
You
You are responsible to secure your asset.

Don't agree and also you've missed the subject which is the thief.

Actually, no one can steal cryptos without the owners who made mistakes while storing their private keys. So the actual owner is responsible if he ever loses his crypto assets.
I still know people who save their private key in Google keep and in another digital platform that they think is secure. They argue google does not have anything else to do to check what I have stored in my Google keep or they think there will never be a data loss in google or in those digital platforms. If anyone is that much stupid then let them lose their money. Let them learn from the mistakes when they will not simply learn from others' experiences.

Negative, at least there is always the possibility of a hard bribe irl from the criminal intelligence done in cyberspace. Not to mention new ultra hi-tec spyware bots which are able to copy everything 'interesting' you typed on your comp in complete stealth mode.

Son, if tomorrow somebody kidnaps or rapes your child, you, like a keyholder of your child's freedom, will be responsible because you haven't cared enough, right?

Are you saying kidnapping and rapes are not happening now and they are not asking to give you money? You are also saying every kidnapping and rape happened so far, the bad guy asked for bitcoin or cryptocurrency to give back your child?

Again, you've missed the subject. When somebody rapes or kidnaps your daughter/son he/she is committing a crime of the first grade, second grade is the bribe and it really doesn't matter if she/he/they asked to be paid in cryptocurrency, fiat, or anything else valuable.

Pablo is not dead.

I wonder if Pablo still knows how to create a bitcoin wallet.

It was just a matter of metaphor.
Actually, even at the time of Pablo, there was a Kali cartel who won over Pablo at the end. So, can you imagine what happens today and how some highly educated leaders of criminal cartels are running their businesses?

[wishxy]

responsibility is not about blame/accusation.. its about duty of having to deal with/control something/someone

responsibility is on the custodian(key holder/parent)

if its your private keys its your funds. you are responsible for DYOR to learn about the recipient. learn if they can be trusted. and find out who/where/what they are
if you put your funds/kids into someone elses custody. you have not absolved yourself of responsibility but now there are twice as many precautions you have to keep an eye on. and they then have responsibility of their own as well to look after whatever is in their custody

so dont just ignorantly trust them. research them.. because if they wrong you. you have a location and name to identify them to seek justice.
but keep in mind.. prevention is better than after-action.

it does not mean you caused it to happen(bad guys will be bad guys).
but lowering your own precautions will cause things to more than likely happen

even if you do everything possible. and bad things still happen. then at least I hope you have taken responsible actions to limit the risk of them getting away with it.

as for children/kidnapping and rape
when they are in proximity to you. your 100% responsible
when they are not nearby. you still have to have precautions to know where they are going. to teach them what to avoid. to trust they wont get themselves into harms way.
this is not about blaming anyone when it goes wrong. this is about being responsible to prepare and take care to reduce/avoid the risk of it happening.

its not blaming you for causing it after it happens. after all you didnt hire a kidnapper to kidnap
its about taking responsibility to reduce the risk before it happens. to prevent it happening

over-sexualised people will always do what they do. thats not your fault
just reduce the risk of its occurances affecting you or your family.
and if it still happens.. its on the rapist/kidnapper as the person to blame.

You've mostly missed the point in your reply as the subject is theft, and not personal responsibillity, own precautions, crypto/cyber education...etc. Its about perpetrators who committed a crime in cyberspace and about who is responsible for them. So, custodians can not be responsible for them. Highly disagree.

[wishxy]

Actually, no one can steal cryptos without the owners who made mistakes while storing their private keys. So the actual owner is responsible if he ever loses his crypto assets.

Son, if tomorrow somebody kidnaps or rapes your child, you, like a keyholder of your child's freedom, will be responsible because you haven't cared enough, right?
When criminal activity is done, it can not be justified just by the mistakes of the victims.
Human beings are weak creatures. We all make mistakes and we all pay the price for it in one way or another, but this still doesn't mean that somebody who took profit from our mistakes through criminal activity has the right to avoid punishment so he/she can continue freely to the next victim. It will never be accepted and tolerated by the human community.
Freedom with responsibility strongly implies ethics of justice.
It will never be real freedom (with responsibility) and real decentralization under these circumstances where cybercrime became the third "economy" in the world, just because it can.
Pablo is not dead.

Children are not dolls to hold them in your hand, you need to take care of them until they become adults means you are responsible until they become adults right so apply the same thing to money, as long as it is in your hand you are responsible.

Taking responsibility by yourself doesn't mean allow the scammer to roam all around free and keep stealing the money, crypto network is transparent so they will get caught if they are sending it to any exchange or someone else who verified their KYC so its more easier to trace the scammer with blockchain technology.

Here we go again: criminal activity can not be justified just by the mistakes of the victims. The custodians, parents or people in general are not the subject of this thread. Why is so hard to understand?

[cabron]

And thier solution to effectively fight cyber crimes is a partnership of public and private such as government and private blockchain teams to formulate a plan. This is a lot more of a threat than a solution for anyone in the blockchain space.

While we can not blame victims for not being very aware of keys and exposure to potential crimes, there really is the need for adoption for old folks to learn. Or they could just trust the 3rd parties who offer convenience which is also risky. Either is risky.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Don't agree and also you've missed the subject which is the thief.

If I let my guard open, keep my coin in a hot wallet or in an exchange where I do not own the key, then in my opinion I am not a true crypto user. You meant to have your own key, you meant to secure your wallet to avoid getting hacked and your funds to be stolen.

Have a hardware wallet or air gapped wallet. Secure the seed or private key in none digital format. Take care of it like you take care of a piece of a diamond or a gold bar. Your crypto will be safe. Don't blame others while you do not learn the basic of crypto.

[Zlantann]

Everything in life has both advantage and disadvantage. Decentralization has its consequences. Most countries are against crypto because of lack of accountability. US and other countries are putting measures to protect their citizens from cyber crime.