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April 14, 2021, 03:59:34 PM
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Zlatan Ibrahimovic is under investigation because company Unknown AB that he is co-owner has 10% ownership for betting company Bethard.com.
39-year-old footballer could be fined for 100 milion euros or be suspended from all football activity for up to three years and this is going to affect him and his club Milan for sure!


https://www.football-italia.net/169135/ibrahimovic-risks-sanction-involvement-betting-agency


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April 14, 2021, 04:14:31 PM
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100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.

He should probably cooperate with UEFA and FIFA for a possibility of lighter charges.
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April 14, 2021, 04:32:40 PM
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This definitely won't be a good ending for Zlatan if found guilty. At 39 and winding off, he needs a soft ground to allow him go into other aspect of football after retirement like coaching as it is now the routine for retired players. Well as of now it is still an allegation until FIFA and UEFA makes their finding known.
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April 14, 2021, 04:37:43 PM
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If it is proven that he is one of the owners of shares in gambling sites it is appropriate for him to retire from football and Milan...
everyone can have a gambling business, but if it is done by someone who has a big influence, he is afraid that it will make many ordinary people become heavy gamblers because of him. I think the fine that the authorities will impose is very precise.


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April 14, 2021, 04:39:53 PM
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..... like coaching as it is now the routine for retired players.
How about becoming a football commentator? That seems like another trend retired players are into but I'm not sure if that's still considered as a football activity in the eyes of FIFA and UEFA.

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Well as of now it is still an allegation until FIFA and UEFA makes their finding known.
Innocent until proven guilty but there was already an admission from the gambling company's CEO. I don't know how Zlatans's legal team can wiggle their way out of this.

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April 14, 2021, 04:40:17 PM
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For the suspension I don't think it is a problem for him because at his age that is not young anymore, it is time for Ibrahimovic to retire, Milan still has many young and talented players and that's not a problem because the team can still be developed from time to time. But regarding fines, I don't know much about Ibra's finances, but Ibra should be able to solve the problem quickly.

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April 14, 2021, 04:57:43 PM
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It does sound like he's definitely broken the rules. The question of whether or not he was aware of this is harder to answer. I'm sure he should have been aware, but perhaps he wasn't. Given his age and that an immediate ban would effectively end his career, I think a compromise outcome is most likely - a suspended ban coupled with a large fine (that he can easily afford).






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April 14, 2021, 05:03:24 PM
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This is an unclear rule, since "financial interest" could mean direct investment, not via a stock company (or mutual fund). Imagine when you invest in a retirement plan via mutual funds or index fund, the chance is you will have some portion of a betting company stock.

However, AFAIK Bethard is not publicly traded, so Ibra might be guilty for this if he knows that the parent company bought the stocks.

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April 14, 2021, 05:05:14 PM
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It is very unfortunate if in fact a football player has shares in a gambling site, apart from reducing the level of trust of the soccer gambling player, this will also have an impact on the judging site directly.

But I am still confused, are there any rules that prohibit a soccer player from owning shares in gambling sites? and if there really was a rule like that, didn't Ibrahimovic know about it?

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Although I don't know much about the conquences  behind his action if found guilty but that shouldn't have much  effect on his career cos he has the money to repel any fine. It just mavels me why his adversaries always appear whenever he's about to archive something great in the field of football.

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Zlatan Ibrahimovic is under investigation because company Unknown AB that he is co-owner has 10% ownership for betting company Bethard.com.
39-year-old footballer could be fined for 100 milion euros or be suspended from all football activity for up to three years and this is going to affect him and his club Milan for sure!

The € 100 million is nothing compared to the consequences this could have on your post-retirement career if these suspicions are confirmed.

The question is.... did Zlatan Ibrahimovic know what he was getting into if this is really true?
I doubt it, just a few steps away from retiring he wouldn't risk ruining everything. But, money gets some people into the wrong things.

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Not a good news at all. Even if he is not suspended from competition, a 100 million fine is a huge number for any athlete. Im not quite sure why a professional player like Ibra can be stuck in a situation like this. It would be very sad if he is banned from any football activities.

More investigations are needed to enlighten the problem. I believe that a fair solution can be made in order to keep him on the field. Not always the best to prohibit such an admirable soccer player.

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100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.

He should probably cooperate with UEFA and FIFA for a possibility of lighter charges.
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April 14, 2021, 06:05:34 PM
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Zlatan Ibrahimovic is under investigation because company Unknown AB that he is co-owner has 10% ownership for betting company Bethard.com.
39-year-old footballer could be fined for 100 milion euros or be suspended from all football activity for up to three years and this is going to affect him and his club Milan for sure!


https://www.football-italia.net/169135/ibrahimovic-risks-sanction-involvement-betting-agency


https://twitter.com/BethardOfficial

Where do you get this information and you should make source link about this problem, I still don't know about this cases and I see on instagram social media nothing information about Zlatan Ibrahimovic, become bad thing for AC Milan how to get scudetto this year if Zlatan have been suspend in football activity, how ever he was senior player guider for AC Milan player.
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Not a good news at all. Even if he is not suspended from competition, a 100 million fine is a huge number for any athlete. Im not quite sure why a professional player like Ibra can be stuck in a situation like this. It would be very sad if he is banned from any football activities.

More investigations are needed to enlighten the problem. I believe that a fair solution can be made in order to keep him on the field. Not always the best to prohibit such an admirable soccer player.

I cannot find anything about 100 million. Here
https://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/fotboll/a/Eprw0l/english-version-zlatan-could-face-suspension-after-breaching-fifa-rul

it only says up to 1 million SEK, which is not that much. We should get the facts right. Th suspension might be a bigger risk. I don't understand though why he should be at conflict of interest for rejoining the national team. Any ideas here? He is an unbelievable player. Let's hope the best.

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100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.
So if a sports person wants to make investment and business decision even if he holds a certain portion of a share that promotes gambling he will be liable to pay this kind of huge money as fine which is ridiculous, if Ibrahimovic have done that gives any undue advantage to them that could bring profit for the company then he is liable, other than that it is too much as he is not the sole decision maker in the company.
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100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.
So if a sports person wants to make investment and business decision even if he holds a certain portion of a share that promotes gambling he will be liable to pay this kind of huge money as fine which is ridiculous, if Ibrahimovic have done that gives any undue advantage to them that could bring profit for the company then he is liable, other than that it is too much as he is not the sole decision maker in the company.


Problem is there are rules from Fifa and Uefa that do not allow players participating in their competitions to have financial interests in gambòing companies; it's not a matter of business decisions players can invest in whatever they want except gambling sector.

Also he is not new to this :back in 2018 he was also a testimonial for the same company ( beside owning 10% of shares) and the situation that at the time contributed to Ibrahimovic's failure to return to the Sweden national team ( return that only happened sme days ago).

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April 14, 2021, 07:16:07 PM
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Ibra must be thinking that he has ended up on a fun show. In four days one trouble after the other for him: first, the red card in Parma, then the story of the restaurant opened during lockdown with all the controversy of the case and the risk that he will be revoked the role of ambassador of the Lombardy Region, now this investigation.
So, Zlatan would have violated the Fifa and Uefa code of ethics as co-owner of the sports betting brand Bethard.com, based in Malta. The two highest Fifa football bodies do not allow players participating in their competitions to have financial interests in companies of this kind. The fact that Ibra still owns shares in Bethard would have been confirmed to a Swedish newspaper by the managing director of the company, Erik Skarp. Further verification would show that Zlatan's Unknown AB company would hold about 10% of the shares of Gameday Group PLC, which in turn is Bethard's sole shareholder.
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April 14, 2021, 07:58:55 PM
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I believe the fine he faces is not 100 million Euros, but rather 100,000 Euros and a three-year suspension.
I couldn't find the source in English to quote.

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If it is proven that he is one of the owners of shares in gambling sites it is appropriate for him to retire from football and Milan...
everyone can have a gambling business, but if it is done by someone who has a big influence, he is afraid that it will make many ordinary people become heavy gamblers because of him. I think the fine that the authorities will impose is very precise.
I do not think this is the reason, most likely this has to do with a conflict of interests, by being a partial owner of a casino and an active player of a soccer team there is the possibility that he manipulated the results with his performance or that he even convinced other players to lose games they would have not lost otherwise, this is really dumb on his part since there are many other businesses in which he could have invested and yet he picked the one that will get him in trouble.
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April 14, 2021, 08:40:52 PM
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100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.

He should probably cooperate with UEFA and FIFA for a possibility of lighter charges.
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Bethard's CEO Erik Skarp has confirmed Sportbladet that the striker still owns stokes in Bethard's sole shareholder Gameday Group PLC.

He may have got bad financial advice but surely it wouldnt  take massive intelligence
to figure out that it was a conflict of interests getting involved with Bethard,
He should have either retired early or continued playing and retired later and
then move to gambling.

Personally I was never fond of him as a player, a very cynical, bad tempered,
bad mannered player with an attitude of superiority and a player which embodies
everything I hate about Soccer, so in my opinion I have little sympathy for him.

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Very bad news for Milan if Ibrahimovic gets banned from playing for 3-5 years in the European Competition (UCL / UEL) and competition organized by FIFA. This could be a sign that Ibra must retire early. However, I am quite confused by the amount of the fine, whether it is 100 million euros or only 100,000 euros. because in some media it says only 100,000 euros.

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This could ruin his retirement. The guy is almost over with his career, so to be fined 100 million euros for conflict of interest is something that will hit him hard certainly. I hope he has backup plans, or things in store that will make the jury rethink their investigation. Otherwise Ibrahimovic is going to suffer a lot from this lost, especially club Milan.
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€100 million fine should be mistake. Maybe it's €100k or 1 million, but definitely not 100 million. It would be waaaaay too much.
Ibra break rules and we can't argue about it. Rules related with betting companies is very strict for professional athletes. It would be sad if Ibra would he forced to retire earlier than he planned just because of it.
But there is some things which doesn't makes sense for me. Professional player can't own betting company, but they can be sponsored by betting companies. Double standards?

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Very bad news for Milan if Ibrahimovic gets banned from playing for 3-5 years in the European Competition (UCL / UEL) and competition organized by FIFA. This could be a sign that Ibra must retire early. However, I am quite confused by the amount of the fine, whether it is 100 million euros or only 100,000 euros. because in some media it says only 100,000 euros.

I hope that Ibrahimovic does not get a ban from playing, if that happens besides harming Milan, it is also painful for the supporters.
Moreover, Ibrahimovic is already 39 years old, so if he gets punished for not playing for 3 years, he definitely has to retire from football early.
Even though the presence of Ibrahimovic is really needed by Milan, we know that this season Ibrahimovic has played very well for Milan.
So the prohibition to play for Ibrahimovic if it is true is realized a heavy blow for AC Milan.

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April 14, 2021, 10:37:48 PM
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This is a very polemical subject. There is a clear conflict of interest in being a soccer player and a gambling site share holder meanwhile. But at same time, he could have used a strawman to hold the 10% participation in the gambling site, as it's common in business' universe, so he wouldn't be being charged right now. And in fact, what is the difference, besides only he is being punished, between him and other athletes, FIFA and UEFA employees who use strawmen to participate in gambling companies instead of themselves? Such sanctions Ibrahimovic is suffering look hypocritical to me.

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Actually, there is nothing wrong with what he did but since it's a clear rule of FIFA and UEFA that it's prohibited for players to have a financial interest in betting companies, he must face the consequences.

He should already know that including the risk but still, he continues with his actions. I don't know what on his mind for involving in that activity.

The sanction is not that heavy for the likes of him. Let's wait for his side.

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€100 million sounds excessive for me. And the charges are not that serious. It is not like he was involved in match fixing or anything. He indirectly owned shares in a betting firm, and I don't think that it warrants such a huge penalty. And even if the FIFA or UEFA imposes such a huge fine, why should he agree to pay that? He is already 39-years old and his career is coming to an end. He could just refuse to pay the fine.

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€100 million sounds excessive for me. And the charges are not that serious. It is not like he was involved in match fixing or anything. He indirectly owned shares in a betting firm, and I don't think that it warrants such a huge penalty. And even if the FIFA or UEFA imposes such a huge fine, why should he agree to pay that? He is already 39-years old and his career is coming to an end. He could just refuse to pay the fine.
€100m is definitely way too high, the realistic amount is probably somewhere €100k since it was mentioned on the other article that the betting agency made like 300m SEK in one year. 

Even if the report is indeed true I doubt he'll retire just because of the given fine since it's unusual to see someone's career to end on a bad note unless there's really no other choice. 

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Huh, so I looked around turns out the same issue was in talks already way back in 2018? Though I think it's a different case this time since the one back then was him taking the ambassadorial role for Bethard, and now this which is ownership(part) of the betting company. This might actually be closer to a ban if this is his 2nd strike of being related to gambling/betting. After all, having issues with almost the same reason with three same companies seems like a warrant for them to properly impose their punishment, lest they be seen as lenient or something.

The 2018 one: https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/03/21/zlatan-ibrahimovic-could-be-sanctioned-fa-after-involvement-new-betting-company

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I believe the fine he faces is not 100 million Euros, but rather 100,000 Euros and a three-year suspension.
I couldn't find the source in English to quote.

If eventually found guilty and suspended for three years + 100, 000 Euros fine I believe this judgement is fair enough for him, this  will serve as a deterrent to other professional players who are bound to bring the game into disrepute due to their unprofessional conducts.
I am  quite disappointed with Ibra having a flourishing football career spanning many years and played in many leagues will now end his career in such a bad way is not good enough.

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Huh, so I looked around turns out the same issue was in talks already way back in 2018? Though I think it's a different case this time since the one back then was him taking the ambassadorial role for Bethard, and now this which is ownership(part) of the betting company. This might actually be closer to a ban if this is his 2nd strike of being related to gambling/betting. After all, having issues with almost the same reason with three same companies seems like a warrant for them to properly impose their punishment, lest they be seen as lenient or something.

The 2018 one: https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/03/21/zlatan-ibrahimovic-could-be-sanctioned-fa-after-involvement-new-betting-company

You are right. This is the same issue that surfaced in 2018.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9470841/Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-facing-three-year-ban-investment-betting-company-say-Swedish-reports.html

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The report also details that the Swedish Football Association have been aware of the problem for three years and it is the reason the talismanic forward wasn't called up for the 2018 World Cup, though he did retire from international football in 2016 until returning last month.

Why do they take so much time to reach a decision? But it is not like Ibrahimovic hid his involvement with Bethard. He was quite vocal about his involvement with that company and was even announced as their brand ambassador back in 2018. 
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I believe the fine he faces is not 100 million Euros, but rather 100,000 Euros and a three-year suspension.
I couldn't find the source in English to quote.

If eventually found guilty and suspended for three years + 100, 000 Euros fine I believe this judgement is fair enough for him, this  will serve as a deterrent to other professional players who are bound to bring the game into disrepute due to their unprofessional conducts.
I am  quite disappointed with Ibra having a flourishing football career spanning many years and played in many leagues will now end his career in such a bad way is not good enough.

I'm sure 100k € is nothing to him. However, I agree that sanctions are necessary.

The only thing I don't get is how he didn't realize it was against FIFA and UEFA rules? Especially because he had a similar case in 2018. I'm wondering if he took a calculated risk?

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Huh, so I looked around turns out the same issue was in talks already way back in 2018? Though I think it's a different case this time since the one back then was him taking the ambassadorial role for Bethard, and now this which is ownership(part) of the betting company. This might actually be closer to a ban if this is his 2nd strike of being related to gambling/betting. After all, having issues with almost the same reason with three same companies seems like a warrant for them to properly impose their punishment, lest they be seen as lenient or something.

The 2018 one: https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/03/21/zlatan-ibrahimovic-could-be-sanctioned-fa-after-involvement-new-betting-company

You are right. This is the same issue that surfaced in 2018.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9470841/Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-facing-three-year-ban-investment-betting-company-say-Swedish-reports.html

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The report also details that the Swedish Football Association have been aware of the problem for three years and it is the reason the talismanic forward wasn't called up for the 2018 World Cup, though he did retire from international football in 2016 until returning last month.

Why do they take so much time to reach a decision? But it is not like Ibrahimovic hid his involvement with Bethard. He was quite vocal about his involvement with that company and was even announced as their brand ambassador back in 2018. 

The likelihood he will get suspended is relatively small. His lawyers definitely checked the situation beforehand and even a Swedish soccer official said the rules are unclear, implying that they had a thorough look at them in advance.
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I really feel bad about Zlatan. He is a good player indeed but being a good player isn’t enough. He is I guess to be one of the greatest players in Football but never in business and legalities. I don’t know why he didn’t just choose the usual path the players are taking. Owning stocks from different companies in a different name. In this way, it’s not just he can hide his name to secure his career, he can also reduce his taxes.
 
Well I guess, if in case he has been suspended he has enough funds to up his career. Like he can shift from being a player to owning a team and him being the coach. That would be a win-win for him if in case!
However, he is too young to be suspended or not being able to play. If found guilty, I guess he doesn’t have a choice.

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April 15, 2021, 05:45:25 PM
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The controversies of these days do not seem to distract Zlatan Ibrahimovic from the important things in life. And so here is that the Swede, as reported by the site Mow-Men on Wheels, was spotted at the Benetti shipyards in Livorno while visiting a boat worth an estimated twenty million. Descended from a car with dark windows, the AC Milan striker has devoted himself to the study of the yacht "Rebeca", a wonder of forty meters on three floors with a long swimming pool at sea level, a gym, a barbecue area with Jacuzzi and five cabins.
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_aprile_15/ibrahimovic-nuovo-yacht-20-milioni-40-metri-zlatan-vuole-comprare-rebeca-nuovo-gioiello-mare-93d82f46-9e06-11eb-a55a-be49eedc613c.shtml?refresh_ce-cp

He does not look worried to me.
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Zlatan Ibrahimovic is under investigation because company Unknown AB that he is co-owner has 10% ownership for betting company Bethard.com.
39-year-old footballer could be fined for 100 milion euros or be suspended from all football activity for up to three years and this is going to affect him and his club Milan for sure!
I do not agree with 100 million dollar fine, but if the alternative is to just stop playing football? Dude is old enough to retire anyway, hell he was old enough to retire few years ago, I assumed his career would be over when he went to USA. In any case, 100 million dollars is a lot, he could be asked to just giveaway his shares or give up football, that way you either get no conflict of interest, or you get no conflict of interest, isn't that the purpose? If he pays 100 million and keeps being the partner then what is the point?

And if he doesn't keep being partner and pays 100 million, why did he paid it to begin with? Plus anyone who knows Ibrahimovic would know that there is zero chance he could be selling games to make more money as well. However I have to say, it is an idiotic move by him to do this as well, why be part owner of a sportsbook when you are in the bets itself? He shouldn't have done it too.
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I do not agree with 100 million dollar fine, but if the alternative is to just stop playing football?

As stated earlier, it is not 100 million, but rather "just" 100,000.

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The only thing I don't get is how he didn't realize it was against FIFA and UEFA rules? Especially because he had a similar case in 2018. I'm wondering if he took a calculated risk?

He surely knows that but since he had a similar case in 2018, he now has some ways how to worked on that kind of scheme again without being noticed or being interrupted by FIFA and UEFA rules.

He knows the risk and accepts it. The weird thing is, everyone at least in that sector already knows the guy's involvement but the action is just taking place after years in the making.

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April 16, 2021, 03:42:19 AM
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I do not agree with 100 million dollar fine, but if the alternative is to just stop playing football?

As stated earlier, it is not 100 million, but rather "just" 100,000.

In that case he could just pay this nominal fine (€100,000) and close this issue once and for all. But I still don't understand why the Swedish authorities were so late to act. The news first came out in 2018, and we are still discussing about it three years later. A deal would have been reached much earlier. And I would say that this is not the way to treat a legend, who has helped his country to qualify for several global tournaments.

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April 16, 2021, 09:58:56 AM
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Problem is there are rules from Fifa and Uefa that do not allow players participating in their competitions to have financial interests in gambòing companies; it's not a matter of business decisions players can invest in whatever they want except gambling sector.

Yes, both associations have this rule. The strange thing now is that I don't know any of the top football clubs that don't have at least one betting provider as a sponsor. In England it is even very extreme, there are several clubs in the same league that have the same main sponsor, a betting provider of course. There are immense conflicts of interest.
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April 16, 2021, 10:12:23 AM
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This definitely won't be a good ending for Zlatan if found guilty. At 39 and winding off, he needs a soft ground to allow him go into other aspect of football after retirement like coaching as it is now the routine for retired players. Well as of now it is still an allegation until FIFA and UEFA makes their finding known.
It's more disheartening to hear this news sincerely becasue he's at the end of his career and this came to him with this unfortunate. The authorities should be mindful of what should become the end of this professional if find guilty, i would suggest that they file him some simple ground that won't be dangerous to his retirement. The FIFA most especially should consider this guy to reduce his penalty.

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Zlatan Ibrahimovic risks being fined or even banned by FIFA and UEFA as it emerges his joint-stock company owns 10% of a betting agency.

According to FIFA and UEFA rules, it is prohibited for players to have financial interest in betting companies.

Makes sense. A professional player like him should be more careful about his investments. If players were allowed to own stakes at casinos then that would affect the games and players would lose on purpose. $100 million is a big amount though. I wonder if he has that kind of cash around...

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April 16, 2021, 12:07:55 PM
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I really feel bad about Zlatan. He is a good player indeed but being a good player isn’t enough. He is I guess to be one of the greatest players in Football but never in business and legalities. I don’t know why he didn’t just choose the usual path the players are taking. Owning stocks from different companies in a different name. In this way, it’s not just he can hide his name to secure his career, he can also reduce his taxes.

I still do not think less of Zlatan. I mean, come on, everyone is a human even these footballers. Messi and Ronaldo are always giving to charity but both have been guilty of tax evasion and have paid fines. I think there are many cases of footballers betting on themselves (even though it means they do not throw away games but it is still wrong). Or players who tell family members they are playing or not and those go out to place bets. Happens all the time.

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April 16, 2021, 05:34:52 PM
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I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

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April 16, 2021, 05:43:44 PM
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I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.

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April 16, 2021, 06:57:59 PM
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I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.
We dont know on what are their basis but fines shouldnt be something that these athletes would really be having a hard time on paying up those or would really be an eye opener
who those who tend to do the same thing or still yet unknown to the public if they are been part or have some shares on a betting company.We dont know on how they do get those
numbers but it is just right to imply those so that others would be aware and wouldnt do the same thing.This could really hurt, imagine on paying up a fine of
100m isnt something that you can easily deal off.This might even hurt or affect his career.

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April 16, 2021, 07:38:02 PM
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I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.
We dont know on what are their basis but fines shouldnt be something that these athletes would really be having a hard time on paying up those or would really be an eye opener
who those who tend to do the same thing or still yet unknown to the public if they are been part or have some shares on a betting company.We dont know on how they do get those
numbers but it is just right to imply those so that others would be aware and wouldnt do the same thing.This could really hurt, imagine on paying up a fine of
100m isnt something that you can easily deal off.This might even hurt or affect his career.
Even for a professional demanded player (7,2 million of dollars by playing a season for the Los Angeles Galaxy, US soccer team) who is sponsored by big brands, a fine of 100 million of dollars will hurt the finances for sure. These authorities must be really mad on him, and maybe being a gambling site's shareholder isn't the only issue, or might he been warned before by FIFA/UEFA and just ignored the warning?
Probably if he was a lower class soccer player the punishment would be softer.

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Zlatan Ibrahimovic risks being fined or even banned by FIFA and UEFA as it emerges his joint-stock company owns 10% of a betting agency.

According to FIFA and UEFA rules, it is prohibited for players to have financial interest in betting companies.

Makes sense. A professional player like him should be more careful about his investments. If players were allowed to own stakes at casinos then that would affect the games and players would lose on purpose. $100 million is a big amount though. I wonder if he has that kind of cash around...

I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.

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I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.


They can make an example out of him.But 100 milion dollars isnt a small thing.Thats just insane.If it was 100k to 1m it would be okay but this is just insane for real.Also to ban him from sports is even more stupid,he didnt fix any of the games just a shareholder

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100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.

He should probably cooperate with UEFA and FIFA for a possibility of lighter charges.
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He may have got bad financial advice but surely it wouldnt  take massive intelligence
to figure out that it was a conflict of interests getting involved with Bethard,
He should have either retired early or continued playing and retired later and
then move to gambling.

Personally I was never fond of him as a player, a very cynical, bad tempered,
bad mannered player with an attitude of superiority and a player which embodies
everything I hate about Soccer, so in my opinion I have little sympathy for him.
While obviously we do not really know him but he gives me the impression that even if he received the right financial advise he thought he could get away with it and decided to invest and be invested in a casino anyway, even if there was not any wrongdoing this still looks bad and he should have known that he was going to eventually get caught and yet he still decided to do it, so I think this is a very clear case and he is going to lose a lot of money just by being that stubborn.
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I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.

Going by the pace of the investigation, I don't think that any punishment will be handed out this year. Personally I feel that a 3-year suspension will be disproportional. But even if they decide to hand out such a punishment, then I don't expect it before 2022 or even 2023. And by that time Ibrahimovic will be 40 or 41 and happily retired from the game. I am saying this after looking at the investigation process during 2018-2021.

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I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.


They can make an example out of him.But 100 milion dollars isnt a small thing.Thats just insane.If it was 100k to 1m it would be okay but this is just insane for real.Also to ban him from sports is even more stupid,he didnt fix any of the games just a shareholder

Well, somebody says above you that 100 million penalty wasn't actually real.

I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.


The actual number is only a 100k Euros. So, just like you said, it is nothing for him. He can pay that kind of money easily. Hopefully, he will sell his shares on that company also.

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If FIFA or UEFA find Zlatan guilty in all this, this will be forced retirement for him no two ways about it because his already at the end of his career and waiting another 3year's is not on his wishlist.

And from a layman's point of view I think for all this to go away and for him to retire in dignity I think he has to retire himself without bring the conflict of interest forward.

I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.


They can make an example out of him.But 100 milion dollars isnt a small thing.Thats just insane.If it was 100k to 1m it would be okay but this is just insane for real.Also to ban him from sports is even more stupid,he didnt fix any of the games just a shareholder

Well, somebody says above you that 100 million penalty wasn't actually real.

I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.


The actual number is only a 100k Euros. So, just like you said, it is nothing for him. He can pay that kind of money easily. Hopefully, he will sell his shares on that company also.
If that is 100K euros then any would be offenders won't learn because they can easily pay that up but then again how different is it with gambling companies bring sponsors of some of these big clubs??


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If that is 100K euros then any would be offenders won't learn because they can easily pay that up but then again how different is it with gambling companies bring sponsors of some of these big clubs??


I believe that it is 100k because this is his offense for the first time. If he doesn't sell his shares after a time, then they will probably punish him again and also increase the fine. This is how law punishment usually works. First one is usually a warning or a low fine, if you keep violating the law, the punishment gets heavier.


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April 18, 2021, 04:00:26 PM
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I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.


If the fine is set at 100,000 euros, I'd say it's considerable compared to the rumored 100M Euros earlier rumored to be the fine. I knew that amount would've been very heavy for him to pay and it would be unfair given the offense. Ibra still has at least 3 more years of football to play and should try to avoid getting hit with a ban that would span across two years as that would signify the end of his football crying. It would be very bad for a player of such caliber to end such a long and successful playing career on a bad note. It doesn't sound pleasing to the ears, one bit.


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If it is 100k that means it is really seriously nothing for him. I thought it was something more serious and I imagined it would be not 100 million, but not as low as 100k neither, maybe like 10 million or at least 1 million or somewhere in between.

Giving him a 100k fine is like giving me a 10$ fine, if I am profiting thousands of dollars from something, I won't care paying a ten dollars fine for it, even if I am making hundreds of dollars profit, I would still pay it. That is why I think if this 100k news is true, then this becomes not even a news, it is boring and he will definitely just pay it and move on with his life, he could still play another season if he wants to and at the top level as well, as long as he is healthy he could do that, I don't know if a season more after that works, but it will depend on his health, as long as he is healthy he can maybe do even 2 seasons.

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If it is 100k that means it is really seriously nothing for him. I thought it was something more serious and I imagined it would be not 100 million, but not as low as 100k neither, maybe like 10 million or at least 1 million or somewhere in between.

Giving him a 100k fine is like giving me a 10$ fine, if I am profiting thousands of dollars from something, I won't care paying a ten dollars fine for it, even if I am making hundreds of dollars profit, I would still pay it. That is why I think if this 100k news is true, then this becomes not even a news, it is boring and he will definitely just pay it and move on with his life, he could still play another season if he wants to and at the top level as well, as long as he is healthy he could do that, I don't know if a season more after that works, but it will depend on his health, as long as he is healthy he can maybe do even 2 seasons.

Read what I wrote above. That 100k is probably just a warning. They'll probably increase the fine if he still keeps his shares. First fine 100k, second fine 500k, third fine 1 million etc... There is no way he can pay the fine and keep his shares.

The fine is not about ruining the person completely if that's his offense for the first time but it can ruin him next time him if he doesn't comply.

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Huh, so I looked around turns out the same issue was in talks already way back in 2018? Though I think it's a different case this time since the one back then was him taking the ambassadorial role for Bethard, and now this which is ownership(part) of the betting company. This might actually be closer to a ban if this is his 2nd strike of being related to gambling/betting. After all, having issues with almost the same reason with three same companies seems like a warrant for them to properly impose their punishment, lest they be seen as lenient or something.

The 2018 one: https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/03/21/zlatan-ibrahimovic-could-be-sanctioned-fa-after-involvement-new-betting-company

You are right. This is the same issue that surfaced in 2018.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9470841/Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-facing-three-year-ban-investment-betting-company-say-Swedish-reports.html

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The report also details that the Swedish Football Association have been aware of the problem for three years and it is the reason the talismanic forward wasn't called up for the 2018 World Cup, though he did retire from international football in 2016 until returning last month.

Why do they take so much time to reach a decision? But it is not like Ibrahimovic hid his involvement with Bethard. He was quite vocal about his involvement with that company and was even announced as their brand ambassador back in 2018. 

The likelihood he will get suspended is relatively small. His lawyers definitely checked the situation beforehand and even a Swedish soccer official said the rules are unclear, implying that they had a thorough look at them in advance.

You never know. They could also decide to make an example of him. It will be hard for them to do so though as there is a lot of corruption in soccer anyway and most of them get away with smooth penalties. Wercking Ibrahimovic now for something that is known for years doesn't make all too much sense and would have negative repercussions in public. Let's see how they decide to go about it.
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If FIFA or UEFA find Zlatan guilty in all this, this will be forced retirement for him no two ways about it because his already at the end of his career and waiting another 3year's is not on his wishlist.
I would be very sad if Zlatan ends his career like that. His career won't last too long without restrictions from FIFA or UEFA but I would be happy if he retires as a legendary player and no drama or punishments. He deserves so and I am not fan of Zlatan but indeed he is one of greatest players in the era of Messi and Ronaldo. Behind Messi and Ronaldo, who are the best players?

I think Zlatan is the third best player in football in the past two decades. He scores more than 500 goals in his career. Zlatan's Career statistics

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If FIFA or UEFA find Zlatan guilty in all this, this will be forced retirement for him no two ways about it because his already at the end of his career and waiting another 3year's is not on his wishlist.
I would be very sad if Zlatan ends his career like that. His career won't last too long without restrictions from FIFA or UEFA but I would be happy if he retires as a legendary player and no drama or punishments. He deserves so and I am not fan of Zlatan but indeed he is one of greatest players in the era of Messi and Ronaldo. Behind Messi and Ronaldo, who are the best players?

I think Zlatan is the third best player in football in the past two decades. He scores more than 500 goals in his career. Zlatan's Career statistics
Those numbers and career achievements is there but once you had able to commit yourself on something like this then those wont be relevant anymore.
Treatment and consequences would be given fair and square neither you are a low or high class sportsman or something like that.
Im much sure that he might had been already given out some warnings but it turns out that he just ignored and now is the time for some payback.

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Zlatan Ibrahimovic is under investigation because company Unknown AB that he is co-owner has 10% ownership for betting company Bethard.com.
39-year-old footballer could be fined for 100 milion euros or be suspended from all football activity for up to three years and this is going to affect him and his club Milan for sure!


https://www.football-italia.net/169135/ibrahimovic-risks-sanction-involvement-betting-agency


https://twitter.com/BethardOfficial

Looking at the number of followers BethardOfficial has says they are not a big company yet which got me thinking.

You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?

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You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?

That is certainly possible. According to statements made in the media and on the bethardgroup website, such an agreement could have been reached from the start.

Quote from: Erik Skarp, co-founder and CEO of Bethard Group
Through the agreement we will not only have an outstanding brand ambassador, but also a very engaged co-owner who I know will push us relentlessly forward
source: https://bethardgroup.com/press/zlatan/

It appears that Zlatan chose to be a co-owner of the company from the start. He even said that there was something different with Bethard and that the owners are from his hometown, so he accepted the offer.

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Looking at the number of followers BethardOfficial has says they are not a big company yet which got me thinking.

You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?

Well.. this sounds fishy to me. The number of followers are quite low, and still they made $35 million in profits that year? How can a relatively unknown company make this much profit in just one year? If the house advantage is 1%, and the cut for taxes and expenses is 50%, then we can assume that the annual turnover was somewhere around $7 billion. These numbers are huge, and I don't know how such an unknown entity can have this much turnover.

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Looking at the number of followers BethardOfficial has says they are not a big company yet which got me thinking.

You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?

Well.. this sounds fishy to me. The number of followers are quite low, and still they made $35 million in profits that year? How can a relatively unknown company make this much profit in just one year? If the house advantage is 1%, and the cut for taxes and expenses is 50%, then we can assume that the annual turnover was somewhere around $7 billion. These numbers are huge, and I don't know how such an unknown entity can have this much turnover.

One possibility could be that Bethard is a corporation that operates many businesses under one roof. Maybe the 35 million stem from many sources? I don't know the company well enough to judge that but you are right, they would have to have enormous revenue in order to make a profit of 35 million.

Not sure if they are unknown in the market, I have heard of them quite often.
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Looking at the number of followers BethardOfficial has says they are not a big company yet which got me thinking.

You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?

Well.. this sounds fishy to me. The number of followers are quite low, and still they made $35 million in profits that year? How can a relatively unknown company make this much profit in just one year? If the house advantage is 1%, and the cut for taxes and expenses is 50%, then we can assume that the annual turnover was somewhere around $7 billion. These numbers are huge, and I don't know how such an unknown entity can have this much turnover.

One possibility could be that Bethard is a corporation that operates many businesses under one roof. Maybe the 35 million stem from many sources? I don't know the company well enough to judge that but you are right, they would have to have enormous revenue in order to make a profit of 35 million.

Not sure if they are unknown in the market, I have heard of them quite often.
what followers twitter followers ? company profit doesnt depend on that . i havent heard of this company .
they are not popular no wonder they have small followers  but the company is not unkown but it was the companies name unkown ab .
unknown ab has 5 companies according to this site https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.unknown_ab.4e7f6742e6f012a3463ce3bd1c1ca17f.html but the profit doesnt match or it wasnt updated .
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I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.

Going by the pace of the investigation, I don't think that any punishment will be handed out this year. Personally I feel that a 3-year suspension will be disproportional. But even if they decide to hand out such a punishment, then I don't expect it before 2022 or even 2023. And by that time Ibrahimovic will be 40 or 41 and happily retired from the game. I am saying this after looking at the investigation process during 2018-2021.
I really thought that the financial penalty was going to be the biggest issue for him as at the beginning it was claimed that the fine could reach 100 million but now it seems the fine could only reach 100k which is very small for someone like him so the suspension now is the big problem for him, receiving 2 or 3 years as a suspension is basically retirement for him at this point as not only his age will be a huge factor but also not playing for so long will ruin his ability to move on the field.
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I really thought that the financial penalty was going to be the biggest issue for him as at the beginning it was claimed that the fine could reach 100 million but now it seems the fine could only reach 100k which is very small for someone like him so the suspension now is the big problem for him, receiving 2 or 3 years as a suspension is basically retirement for him at this point as not only his age will be a huge factor but also not playing for so long will ruin his ability to move on the field.

I don't think that the financial penalty would be that small. It looks to me that Ibrahimovic earnt millions of USD out of his deal with Bethard. So as per logic, the penalty should be higher than this. BTW, the Bethard financials also look suspicious. For a relatively unknown entity, they have a very high annual turnover. I just hope that there is nothing fishy about this sportsbook and Ibrahimovic will not find himself in bigger trouble later.

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What did he exactly do that could put him in this position, Ibrahimovic is a good player and I am sure that the club that he is in is going to have a problem if he is going to be suspended. Is there something about owning a betting company if you are a player?
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What did he exactly do that could put him in this position, Ibrahimovic is a good player and I am sure that the club that he is in is going to have a problem if he is going to be suspended. Is there something about owning a betting company if you are a player?

May be some fixed games? Who knows what's going behind the scenes which could probably even ruin the career of many players of the team too except that financial loss to the Bethardofficial guys? Let's hope that's possibly not the case else it won't just add up a penalty but will bring in so many problems for Ibrahimovic during their festival of Ramadan.

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May be some fixed games? Who knows what's going behind the scenes which could probably even ruin the career of many players of the team too except that financial loss to the Bethardofficial guys? Let's hope that's possibly not the case else it won't just add up a penalty but will bring in so many problems for Ibrahimovic during their festival of Ramadan.

That is one of the possibilities, because the revenue figures published by Bethard officials make me suspicious. They are much higher when compared to other sportsbooks of similar size. Still, this is only a very small possibility and the real reason for making so much profits may be due to the fact that they managed their business really well. But at 39-years, the controversy surrounding this sportsbook is the last thing that Ibra want. He will be looking to settle it by paying a fine, and moving on.

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What did he exactly do that could put him in this position, Ibrahimovic is a good player and I am sure that the club that he is in is going to have a problem if he is going to be suspended. Is there something about owning a betting company if you are a player?
So far it does not seem as if there was any wrongdoing except of being a partial owner of the company, many people may think this is not a big deal but it is, the whole point of a sport competition is to see two competitors doing everything they can in order to win, but if one side has an incentive to not do so then there are going to be suspicions about their performance even if they never intended to fix a single game and this is what we are seeing in the case of Ibrahimovic.
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This is an unclear rule, since "financial interest" could mean direct investment, not via a stock company (or mutual fund). Imagine when you invest in a retirement plan via mutual funds or index fund, the chance is you will have some portion of a betting company stock.

However, AFAIK Bethard is not publicly traded, so Ibra might be guilty for this if he knows that the parent company bought the stocks.

It is pretty clear really. If he owned it as part of a mutual fund (and the company was large enough to be included) then any possible benefit he could derive from that ownership would be heavily diluted. However when you own a large chunk of a betting company and are an active athlete then all sorts of corruption can start to seep in. The rule is there to stop abuse, he could cause all kinds of mayhem on the pitch and rig results of games in many different ways. Someone at his age and level of the game should know full well that this would not be acceptable for those reasons, so it looks like he has gone out of his way to be deceptive. It's a shame that fines are not proportionate to someones salary, because the 100k limit (even for a "first time offender") is absolute peanuts to these players, they've probably spent that much on a great night out before - if they lost 10% of their annual salary instead it might discourage such behavior in future.

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This definitely won't be a good ending for Zlatan if found guilty. At 39 and winding off, he needs a soft ground to allow him go into other aspect of football after retirement like coaching as it is now the routine for retired players. Well as of now it is still an allegation until FIFA and UEFA makes their finding known.
He has spent a good time in his career but ending this way could be on the sad note, he has a questionable character but I dont think he is guilty until it has been proven. In the light of the super league, I have a different outlook on these football organizations as being selfish and oppressive. They only consider what will benefit them financially and I consider $100 million fine on an individual not company outrageous.
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The official statement from UEFA is that they are investigating Zlatan Ibrahimovic for his "alleged financial interest" in the gambling firm.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/27/football/zlatan-ibrahimovic-investigated-by-uefa-for-betting-company-spt-intl/index.html

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"In accordance with Article 31(4) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR), a UEFA Ethics and Disciplinary Inspector has today been appointed to conduct a disciplinary investigation regarding a potential violation of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations by Mr. Zlatan Ibrahimović for having an alleged financial interest in a betting company,"

Zlatan won't be much worried about the financial penalty that is being talked about (as per Article 31(4), the maximum fine can be $119,000), but he will be worried about a possible three year suspension. That will cause him a few tens of millions of USD in losses, plus tarnishing his reputation. I just hope that things will be settled in an amicable manner by all the sides involved.

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April 28, 2021, 07:34:38 AM
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Ibrahimovic could face a penalty in the form of a fine but it looks like a fine is not something that can burden Ibrahimovic right now because indeed he can easily pay it Grin I think the ban from involvement in football for three years is certainly a pretty harsh punishment for a world player like Ibrahimovic and most likely a ban playing three years can hasten the end of Ibrahimovic's career because he is now 39 years old and if subject to maximum punishment, Ibrahimovic could have been forced to quit his football career until he was 42 years old and of course 42 years is no longer a productive age for sports athletes other than Ibrahim of course with this penalty Ac Milan are quite disadvantaged because they have just extended the Ibrahimovic contract until 2022.

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April 28, 2021, 10:15:25 AM
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So far it does not seem as if there was any wrongdoing except of being a partial owner of the company, many people may think this is not a big deal but it is, the whole point of a sport competition is to see two competitors doing everything they can in order to win, but if one side has an incentive to not do so then there are going to be suspicions about their performance even if they never intended to fix a single game and this is what we are seeing in the case of Ibrahimovic.
You are right, although this is a bit sad ain't it? That if you are an athlete you can't have any stake in business that will directly affect your performance in the game but how come betting sites can sponsor the players? Yes they don't have a stake directly but if they want to, they caan probably throw the game.
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April 28, 2021, 11:48:39 AM
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Zlatan won't be much worried about the financial penalty that is being talked about (as per Article 31(4), the maximum fine can be $119,000), but he will be worried about a possible three year suspension. That will cause him a few tens of millions of USD in losses, plus tarnishing his reputation. I just hope that things will be settled in an amicable manner by all the sides involved.
It's not only that even, but that's also THREE years of losing the time to play and train under the pressure of tournaments and the like. I'd reckon the moment he comes back, it's either a flop or just the normal skill level he has. If it was a flop, heck that would just add up to the reputation loss he had for those 3 years. As for the financial penalty, heck, with his current financial status PLUS the money he earned from sponsoring the gambling firm (he was chosen as the spokesperson back then iiirc), he has more than enough. I'd also reckon that the firm would support him for his losses if ever, albeit temporarily (if he does own part of the firm)

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April 28, 2021, 04:28:00 PM
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So far it does not seem as if there was any wrongdoing except of being a partial owner of the company, many people may think this is not a big deal but it is, the whole point of a sport competition is to see two competitors doing everything they can in order to win, but if one side has an incentive to not do so then there are going to be suspicions about their performance even if they never intended to fix a single game and this is what we are seeing in the case of Ibrahimovic.
You are right, although this is a bit sad ain't it? That if you are an athlete you can't have any stake in business that will directly affect your performance in the game but how come betting sites can sponsor the players? Yes they don't have a stake directly but if they want to, they caan probably throw the game.
It just comes with the territory, there are many occupations that have similar restrictions and there are rules in place in order to eliminate conflicts of interest, probably one of the most common professions where this happens is what happens to lawyers, for example if you ask for a paid consultation to a lawyer and then you decide to hire another one in a lawsuit against another person that other person cannot hire the first lawyer that gave consultation to you or he will have an unfair advantage over you causing a conflicts of interests.
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So far it does not seem as if there was any wrongdoing except of being a partial owner of the company, many people may think this is not a big deal but it is, the whole point of a sport competition is to see two competitors doing everything they can in order to win, but if one side has an incentive to not do so then there are going to be suspicions about their performance even if they never intended to fix a single game and this is what we are seeing in the case of Ibrahimovic.
You are right, although this is a bit sad ain't it? That if you are an athlete you can't have any stake in business that will directly affect your performance in the game but how come betting sites can sponsor the players? Yes they don't have a stake directly but if they want to, they caan probably throw the game.

The issue is if the rules or statues forbid any ownership betting companies while playing in a professional soccer league, well then there is not much to argue about. Ibrahimovic probably knew what he was doing and that he was breaking rules.

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May 01, 2021, 01:49:48 PM
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Kill someone and say it was just a business. I believe he clearly knew what consequences this move was gonna lead to, he is not a college team player, he should have a personal lawyer who is in charge of such situations.

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May 01, 2021, 02:18:19 PM
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Kill someone and say it was just a business. I believe he clearly knew what consequences this move was gonna lead to, he is not a college team player, he should have a personal lawyer who is in charge of such situations.
I can't really see him with a personal lawyer making any positive move based on these allegations leveled against him by these two bodies. Although the case is still under-investigation, hopefully the penalty be such that could be manage to avoid ruining his career and reputation. Who knows, maybe there were something like fixed match with this particular sport platform, it's better to wait for the outcome of this investigation before involve a lawyer IMO.

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May 01, 2021, 03:46:23 PM
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Anyways looks like the issue was solved without public explanations. Zlatan's agent Mino Raiola confirmed that he is ready to extend his career until June next year in Milan and they are likely to sign the contract this month. He would not be "ready" if he felt any serious issues concerning these shares of Bethard.

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So far it does not seem as if there was any wrongdoing except of being a partial owner of the company, many people may think this is not a big deal but it is, the whole point of a sport competition is to see two competitors doing everything they can in order to win, but if one side has an incentive to not do so then there are going to be suspicions about their performance even if they never intended to fix a single game and this is what we are seeing in the case of Ibrahimovic.
You are right, although this is a bit sad ain't it? That if you are an athlete you can't have any stake in business that will directly affect your performance in the game but how come betting sites can sponsor the players? Yes they don't have a stake directly but if they want to, they caan probably throw the game.

The issue is if the rules or statues forbid any ownership betting companies while playing in a professional soccer league, well then there is not much to argue about. Ibrahimovic probably knew what he was doing and that he was breaking rules.
That is the issue, even if it did not made sense the rules are the rules and if you want to participate in a sport you follow those rules as every single one of your peers is doing so, however in this case the rules that do not allow a soccer player to be the owner or a partial owner of a casino makes complete sense because there is a conflict of interests between his goals as a soccer player and his goals as the partial owner of a casino and situations like that must always be avoided.
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May 03, 2021, 04:06:35 PM
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the company he co owns also co owns another company and whats the problem with that ? there is no personal matter but its just a business what they are doing but if this is not allowed he should have done a research at first and not insist this partnership because the fine are too heavy and he is going to affect him much and the people that are under him but he can choose to pay because for sure he have lots of cash than to wait for a long time to be able to play again because he can recover those money working within these period

It is like saying why can't I cross a red traffic light if nobody wants to cross the street. You have to follow the rules especially when you are aware of them and seriously Ibrahimovic was aware of them. If you go 70 mph where you are asked to go 50 mph but you go faster only because nobody else is on the street, that's not how it works.
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Kill someone and say it was just a business. I believe he clearly knew what consequences this move was gonna lead to, he is not a college team player, he should have a personal lawyer who is in charge of such situations.

Pretty inappropriate comparison, don't you think? I don't think it was that clear to him though he should have sought professional counseling help. I mean almost every football club is sponsored by a betting company, so in principle there is the same conflict of interest as with an individual player.
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May 03, 2021, 10:30:16 PM
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is he really one o the owner or an investor of that gambling site? Or only as an icon of that site?
Well, probably there must be a clear clarification from the management and also the gambling site owner. I am sure enough that AB will not want this to happen and there probably any ways to avoid if any. But sometimes, this kind of law will really be hard to fight moreover it is about related to the regulation. Is this really the end of his career?
Let's see. We cannot take any further speculation before the clear conference press done by the two parties.

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May 03, 2021, 11:14:42 PM
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is he really one o the owner or an investor of that gambling site? Or only as an icon of that site?
Well, probably there must be a clear clarification from the management and also the gambling site owner. I am sure enough that AB will not want this to happen and there probably any ways to avoid if any. But sometimes, this kind of law will really be hard to fight moreover it is about related to the regulation. Is this really the end of his career?
Let's see. We cannot take any further speculation before the clear conference press done by the two parties.
It might not be recent but this way published 7 days ago: https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/uefa-probe-ibrahimovics-alleged-betting-170927440.html

According to this: https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/6852075/zlatan-ibrahimovic-betting-malta-three-year-ban/

"The report adds that Zlatan's company is the fourth largest shareholder in Bethard and it made a profit after tax of £25.79m in 2019.

He was announced as a co-owner and ambassador for the brand three years ago."

So its really been proved out about his investment.Now we are just waiting for the said sanction or decision about disciplinary thing.
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Art. 26 of the FIFA Code of Ethics prohibits not only participation, direct or indirect, in the betting industry, but also having interests, direct or indirect, with companies operating in the industry. If it is established through the investigation that Ibrahimovic had an indirect shareholding in Bethard Group Limited, he would risk a penalty of at least 100,000 Swiss francs (just under € 91,000) up to a disqualification from professional activity for a maximum of 3 years by FIFA.
Finally, at the national level, Ibrahimovic cannot be charged by the FIGC (Italian football league) as art. 24 of the Sports Justice Code only concerns the activity of placing the bet (and not the corporate participation).
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is he really one o the owner or an investor of that gambling site? Or only as an icon of that site?
Well, probably there must be a clear clarification from the management and also the gambling site owner. I am sure enough that AB will not want this to happen and there probably any ways to avoid if any. But sometimes, this kind of law will really be hard to fight moreover it is about related to the regulation. Is this really the end of his career?
Let's see. We cannot take any further speculation before the clear conference press done by the two parties.
Being an investor or a partial owner of the casino is the same thing, we must understand that this is completely different from having a deal to sponsor the casino and this is because in that kind of deal your only responsibility is to promote the casino so people play there, but when you are an actual owner of the casino you care about the profit the casino is producing and when you are a player in any sport this means that you have a conflict of interests and that is never a good position to be in.
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Art. 26 of the FIFA Code of Ethics prohibits not only participation, direct or indirect, in the betting industry, but also having interests, direct or indirect, with companies operating in the industry. If it is established through the investigation that Ibrahimovic had an indirect shareholding in Bethard Group Limited, he would risk a penalty of at least 100,000 Swiss francs (just under € 91,000) up to a disqualification from professional activity for a maximum of 3 years by FIFA.
Finally, at the national level, Ibrahimovic cannot be charged by the FIGC (Italian football league) as art. 24 of the Sports Justice Code only concerns the activity of placing the bet (and not the corporate participation).

He was the brand ambassador for Bethard, so everything was clear from the beginning. My only question is that why the FIFA and UEFA investigating him for something that was done in 2018? They need 3 years to conduct their preliminary investigation? In that case they may take another 3-4 years to decide on the quantum of punishment. IMO, a deal should be reached between both the parties to avoid further embarrassment. If Zlatan had breached the rules, then let him pay a financial penalty and the carry on with his career.

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Art. 26 of the FIFA Code of Ethics prohibits not only participation, direct or indirect, in the betting industry, but also having interests, direct or indirect, with companies operating in the industry. If it is established through the investigation that Ibrahimovic had an indirect shareholding in Bethard Group Limited, he would risk a penalty of at least 100,000 Swiss francs (just under € 91,000) up to a disqualification from professional activity for a maximum of 3 years by FIFA.
Finally, at the national level, Ibrahimovic cannot be charged by the FIGC (Italian football league) as art. 24 of the Sports Justice Code only concerns the activity of placing the bet (and not the corporate participation).

He was the brand ambassador for Bethard, so everything was clear from the beginning. My only question is that why the FIFA and UEFA investigating him for something that was done in 2018? They need 3 years to conduct their preliminary investigation? In that case they may take another 3-4 years to decide on the quantum of punishment. IMO, a deal should be reached between both the parties to avoid further embarrassment. If Zlatan had breached the rules, then let him pay a financial penalty and the carry on with his career.
Those giants bodies are incredibly slow when it comes to do anything as everything is always immersed by politics so I am not surprised that it has took so long for them to bring this case against him, which means that if they take any longer on trying to process this case Ibrahimovic could just retire at whatever time he wished and be relatively unaffected in the case he was found guilty, but having an idea of his personality I doubt he is going to accept this and most likely a settlement is on the cards.
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Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Cristiano Ronaldo will come face to face today, when Juventus takes on AC Milan in a Serie A match. Both the teams are having 69 points as of now, and the winner in all probability will advance to the UEFA Champions League. Ibrahimovic seems to be unaffected by the controversy related to Bethard. He has already signed for another year of contract extension with AC Milan, which proves that he doesn't care about the ongoing investigation.

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Pretty inappropriate comparison, don't you think? I don't think it was that clear to him though he should have sought professional counseling help. I mean almost every football club is sponsored by a betting company, so in principle there is the same conflict of interest as with an individual player.

He can own whatever betting company he likes as long as he is not a player. However, he is still a player, is he not?

However I agree that bet companies sponsoring the clubs isn't the most sensible thing neither. If there is no problem with taking their money for the clubs, why would it be a problem for the player? If a player can rig a game, so can a club.

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Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Cristiano Ronaldo will come face to face today, when Juventus takes on AC Milan in a Serie A match. Both the teams are having 69 points as of now, and the winner in all probability will advance to the UEFA Champions League. Ibrahimovic seems to be unaffected by the controversy related to Bethard. He has already signed for another year of contract extension with AC Milan, which proves that he doesn't care about the ongoing investigation.
I totally agree with your opinion, tonight Ibrahim Movic will forget his problem with Betrand, tonight Ibrahim only focuses his mind on the match ... the problem with FIFA is his business, there is a lawyer who will fix the problem ... he only focuses on playing football alone ..
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Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Cristiano Ronaldo will come face to face today, when Juventus takes on AC Milan in a Serie A match. Both the teams are having 69 points as of now, and the winner in all probability will advance to the UEFA Champions League. Ibrahimovic seems to be unaffected by the controversy related to Bethard. He has already signed for another year of contract extension with AC Milan, which proves that he doesn't care about the ongoing investigation.
I totally agree with your opinion, tonight Ibrahim Movic will forget his problem with Betrand, tonight Ibrahim only focuses his mind on the match ... the problem with FIFA is his business, there is a lawyer who will fix the problem ... he only focuses on playing football alone ..
He did not give a fu** from the start. He reacted like it was some kind of a joke from the start. His agent who is as long as I remember works for other few popular players answered to a reporters questions about the bethard issue by saying he is ready for the next season and not going to retire😂

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Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Cristiano Ronaldo will come face to face today, when Juventus takes on AC Milan in a Serie A match. Both the teams are having 69 points as of now, and the winner in all probability will advance to the UEFA Champions League. Ibrahimovic seems to be unaffected by the controversy related to Bethard. He has already signed for another year of contract extension with AC Milan, which proves that he doesn't care about the ongoing investigation.
I totally agree with your opinion, tonight Ibrahim Movic will forget his problem with Betrand, tonight Ibrahim only focuses his mind on the match ... the problem with FIFA is his business, there is a lawyer who will fix the problem ... he only focuses on playing football alone ..
He did not give a fu** from the start. He reacted like it was some kind of a joke from the start. His agent who is as long as I remember works for other few popular players answered to a reporters questions about the bethard issue by saying he is ready for the next season and not going to retire😂

He signed another 1 year with AC Milan and that means he will play next season again and wont be forced to retire.I still dont understand the rules about owning a share of a company its not like he is rigging games or betting on them himself.

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May 08, 2021, 09:06:23 PM
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Pretty inappropriate comparison, don't you think? I don't think it was that clear to him though he should have sought professional counseling help. I mean almost every football club is sponsored by a betting company, so in principle there is the same conflict of interest as with an individual player.

He can own whatever betting company he likes as long as he is not a player. However, he is still a player, is he not?

However I agree that bet companies sponsoring the clubs isn't the most sensible thing neither. If there is no problem with taking their money for the clubs, why would it be a problem for the player? If a player can rig a game, so can a club.
He is an old player, he played very well this year when he got the chance, he got injured quite frequently I have to say and Milan looked great when he played, however no matter how great he is, he is still an old player, dude is almost 40 years old.

I do not think that he would have any advantage owning a casino neither, let's assume that he bets against himself, well he can do that without owning a casino, let's assume that people on his website wagered on one side too much, let's say maybe he has to lose in order for him to win a lot of money, he could miss shots, but there are 10 other people, but let's assume he has to win, well he wants to win every game anyway. So I do not see "too much" problem here, but even if it is just too much, if he is making a lot of profit from this, he could simply retire, because he is already at that age anyway.
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Pretty inappropriate comparison, don't you think? I don't think it was that clear to him though he should have sought professional counseling help. I mean almost every football club is sponsored by a betting company, so in principle there is the same conflict of interest as with an individual player.

He can own whatever betting company he likes as long as he is not a player. However, he is still a player, is he not?

However I agree that bet companies sponsoring the clubs isn't the most sensible thing neither. If there is no problem with taking their money for the clubs, why would it be a problem for the player? If a player can rig a game, so can a club.
He is an old player, he played very well this year when he got the chance, he got injured quite frequently I have to say and Milan looked great when he played, however no matter how great he is, he is still an old player, dude is almost 40 years old.

I do not think that he would have any advantage owning a casino neither, let's assume that he bets against himself, well he can do that without owning a casino, let's assume that people on his website wagered on one side too much, let's say maybe he has to lose in order for him to win a lot of money, he could miss shots, but there are 10 other people, but let's assume he has to win, well he wants to win every game anyway. So I do not see "too much" problem here, but even if it is just too much, if he is making a lot of profit from this, he could simply retire, because he is already at that age anyway.

Rules are rules. You may not see a problem. Zlatan might be an honest player with or without being an investor of a casino. It doesn't matter. The rules say you cannot take money from the casinos as long as you are an active player.

The rules let the clubs make sponsorship deals and that sucks too but somehow they don't care.

If you think they need to make an exception for Zlatan, then they need to do it for everybody.

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Pretty inappropriate comparison, don't you think? I don't think it was that clear to him though he should have sought professional counseling help. I mean almost every football club is sponsored by a betting company, so in principle there is the same conflict of interest as with an individual player.

He can own whatever betting company he likes as long as he is not a player. However, he is still a player, is he not?

However I agree that bet companies sponsoring the clubs isn't the most sensible thing neither. If there is no problem with taking their money for the clubs, why would it be a problem for the player? If a player can rig a game, so can a club.
He is an old player, he played very well this year when he got the chance, he got injured quite frequently I have to say and Milan looked great when he played, however no matter how great he is, he is still an old player, dude is almost 40 years old.

I do not think that he would have any advantage owning a casino neither, let's assume that he bets against himself, well he can do that without owning a casino, let's assume that people on his website wagered on one side too much, let's say maybe he has to lose in order for him to win a lot of money, he could miss shots, but there are 10 other people, but let's assume he has to win, well he wants to win every game anyway. So I do not see "too much" problem here, but even if it is just too much, if he is making a lot of profit from this, he could simply retire, because he is already at that age anyway.

Rules are rules. You may not see a problem. Zlatan might be an honest player with or without being an investor of a casino. It doesn't matter. The rules say you cannot take money from the casinos as long as you are an active player.

The rules let the clubs make sponsorship deals and that sucks too but somehow they don't care.

If you think they need to make an exception for Zlatan, then they need to do it for everybody.
Rules is rules indeed and there shouldnt be any toleration with this manner because everybody would see it that this kind of activity wouldnt really be imposing some serious
violation or penalties if they do commit it out so its just right that he should deal with the consequences because its had been stated and they are fully
aware with those things but they do still decide to deal with it secretly and now it has been busted then you would need to face up the charges or sanctions.
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He is an old player, he played very well this year when he got the chance, he got injured quite frequently I have to say and Milan looked great when he played, however no matter how great he is, he is still an old player, dude is almost 40 years old.

I do not think that he would have any advantage owning a casino neither, let's assume that he bets against himself, well he can do that without owning a casino, let's assume that people on his website wagered on one side too much, let's say maybe he has to lose in order for him to win a lot of money, he could miss shots, but there are 10 other people, but let's assume he has to win, well he wants to win every game anyway. So I do not see "too much" problem here, but even if it is just too much, if he is making a lot of profit from this, he could simply retire, because he is already at that age anyway.
Your argument makes sense but there is a reason why the rules are there for a reason, he has a conflict of interest and in many occupations the way it deals with this is the same, you need to choose one or the other occupation and never both, a lawyer cannot at any moment take two different sides of the same case, he can only hear one side and the moment he does and receives payment he cannot even listen to the other side or he will have an unfair advantage and the same is happening here.
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May 11, 2021, 03:57:10 AM
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Your argument makes sense but there is a reason why the rules are there for a reason, he has a conflict of interest and in many occupations the way it deals with this is the same, you need to choose one or the other occupation and never both, a lawyer cannot at any moment take two different sides of the same case, he can only hear one side and the moment he does and receives payment he cannot even listen to the other side or he will have an unfair advantage and the same is happening here.

I can understand the argument put forward by UEFA. Being a player, Zlatan should keep away from gambling sites. If he has an interest in the gambling sites, then it gets murky. The amount of profit his company is going to earn may change as per the outcome of the matches in which he is taking part. But my question is not related to the fairness of the charges against Zlatan. My question is why the UEFA dragged on their investigation, despite these facts being known for so long. The news first came to surface in 2018. Why they were in deep slumber for all these years?

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May 11, 2021, 04:47:25 AM
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think they broke the rules according to FIFA's code of ethics a footballer can be fined and banned from football related activities for a maximum of three years for violating betting rules. UEFA's penal code is not clear ibrahimovic's company owns the fourth largest share in the betting firm bethard the betting company which is expected to make a profit of around 2.5 crore euros in 2019 will not be allowed to invest in 2018 under the rules of world football's governing body FIFA or the European football body UEFA. There are also large penalties for breaking the rules FIFA and UEFA could ban the Swedish star for three years or fine him large sums of money if it is proved that the betting company Ibra has invested.
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May 11, 2021, 07:59:02 AM
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think they broke the rules according to FIFA's code of ethics a footballer can be fined and banned from football related activities for a maximum of three years for violating betting rules. UEFA's penal code is not clear ibrahimovic's company owns the fourth largest share in the betting firm bethard the betting company which is expected to make a profit of around 2.5 crore euros in 2019 will not be allowed to invest in 2018 under the rules of world football's governing body FIFA or the European football body UEFA. There are also large penalties for breaking the rules FIFA and UEFA could ban the Swedish star for three years or fine him large sums of money if it is proved that the betting company Ibra has invested.
That's pretty bad in my opinion, Ibrahimovic is a star and I don't think that it will be good for him to fine or even be suspended to play. Also, in the first place, why did that kind of rule existed though, I know that it helps prevent players from trying to do something that will benefit them but to be honest that is pretty stupid if you could allow players and monitor them so players can have investment without the worry of penalties.

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May 11, 2021, 09:48:01 PM
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Well, does anyone here have updates to this case?
I just wonder if Ibrahimovic has been found guilty with the investigation of him.
I just wonder with the money this guy has, --I don’t think he would do and I am sure that there are lawyers and accountants on his payroll that would surely give him advice and inform him just in case. I think this guy will not going to be found guilty of the suspicious thrown at him. It’s just weird and I am thinking of any ways that the authorities in the league have heard of this intel. It might be one of his hater or something. But I really don’t think that a sports guy does not know the rules of the league. Especially the business side, as they had to know it and be compensated.









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May 13, 2021, 07:11:11 PM
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Your argument makes sense but there is a reason why the rules are there for a reason, he has a conflict of interest and in many occupations the way it deals with this is the same, you need to choose one or the other occupation and never both, a lawyer cannot at any moment take two different sides of the same case, he can only hear one side and the moment he does and receives payment he cannot even listen to the other side or he will have an unfair advantage and the same is happening here.

I can understand the argument put forward by UEFA. Being a player, Zlatan should keep away from gambling sites. If he has an interest in the gambling sites, then it gets murky. The amount of profit his company is going to earn may change as per the outcome of the matches in which he is taking part. But my question is not related to the fairness of the charges against Zlatan. My question is why the UEFA dragged on their investigation, despite these facts being known for so long. The news first came to surface in 2018. Why they were in deep slumber for all these years?
That is impossible to know, but there are some possible reasons for this, one possible explanation is that as we know legal processes have the tendency to move at a snail pace compared to the world in which we live in, another factor could be politics, maybe there were some higher ups that liked Ibrahimovic and they moved their influences to protect him and to delay this, and finally maybe they are that incompetent, something that is not really difficult to believe.
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Your argument makes sense but there is a reason why the rules are there for a reason, he has a conflict of interest and in many occupations the way it deals with this is the same, you need to choose one or the other occupation and never both, a lawyer cannot at any moment take two different sides of the same case, he can only hear one side and the moment he does and receives payment he cannot even listen to the other side or he will have an unfair advantage and the same is happening here.

I can understand the argument put forward by UEFA. Being a player, Zlatan should keep away from gambling sites. If he has an interest in the gambling sites, then it gets murky. The amount of profit his company is going to earn may change as per the outcome of the matches in which he is taking part. But my question is not related to the fairness of the charges against Zlatan. My question is why the UEFA dragged on their investigation, despite these facts being known for so long. The news first came to surface in 2018. Why they were in deep slumber for all these years?
That is impossible to know, but there are some possible reasons for this, one possible explanation is that as we know legal processes have the tendency to move at a snail pace compared to the world in which we live in, another factor could be politics, maybe there were some higher ups that liked Ibrahimovic and they moved their influences to protect him and to delay this, and finally maybe they are that incompetent, something that is not really difficult to believe.

I believe there are often networks involved up to the highest judges. Remember Ronaldo and Messi evading huge amounts of taxes? An ordinary guy would have been sent to jail, but both got away with it pretty much. They had to pay a fine that didn't even hurt them and got a small suspended sentence. I don't believe the same applies to others.
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May 15, 2021, 05:27:15 AM
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Well, does anyone here have updates to this case?
I just wonder if Ibrahimovic has been found guilty with the investigation of him.
I just wonder with the money this guy has, --I don’t think he would do and I am sure that there are lawyers and accountants on his payroll that would surely give him advice and inform him just in case. I think this guy will not going to be found guilty of the suspicious thrown at him. It’s just weird and I am thinking of any ways that the authorities in the league have heard of this intel. It might be one of his hater or something. But I really don’t think that a sports guy does not know the rules of the league. Especially the business side, as they had to know it and be compensated.
This is all processed by FIFA, to play Zlatan Ibrahim Movic, surely they want to profit, and corner Ibrahim Movic, Viva wants
Tearing down movic ibrahim at the end of his career, and wants to withdraw all his movic money ''
but I am sure Zlatan will solve the problem soon,
because he must have a great lawyer, who can solve all his problems ...
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May 15, 2021, 06:15:51 AM
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Although it's against Uefa rules. But having a commission in betting shouldn't warrant such a heavy levy. Does it mean sports men aren't entitled to owning an investment in the sector?

 Since betting is part of the business becoming a partner in the betting industry shouldn't be a crime and as such it should be a welcome development if footballers and other sports athletes partner therein. Unless there could be something the aren't telling us
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May 15, 2021, 06:28:15 AM
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Although it's against Uefa rules. But having a commission in betting shouldn't warrant such a heavy levy. Does it mean sports men aren't entitled to owning an investment in the sector?

 Since betting is part of the business becoming a partner in the betting industry shouldn't be a crime and as such it should be a welcome development if footballers and other sports athletes partner therein. Unless there could be something the aren't telling us

Meanwhile, the sport has still not changed its long-standing gambling sponsorship policy - as was recommended by the vast majority of the soccer's players and managers.

It has allowed bookmakers in an official capacity to pay for branding and sports events rights, and was quite happy for them to pay at the turnstiles for the World Cup.

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May 15, 2021, 09:09:03 PM
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Although it's against Uefa rules. But having a commission in betting shouldn't warrant such a heavy levy. Does it mean sports men aren't entitled to owning an investment in the sector?

 Since betting is part of the business becoming a partner in the betting industry shouldn't be a crime and as such it should be a welcome development if footballers and other sports athletes partner therein. Unless there could be something the aren't telling us

I beg to differ to be honest. Sportsmen owning stakes in a betting company is not optimal to say it carefully. The rules are known to anyone and should be respected whether it is Zlatan or anyone else.
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Although it's against Uefa rules. But having a commission in betting shouldn't warrant such a heavy levy. Does it mean sports men aren't entitled to owning an investment in the sector?

 Since betting is part of the business becoming a partner in the betting industry shouldn't be a crime and as such it should be a welcome development if footballers and other sports athletes partner therein. Unless there could be something the aren't telling us
There is nothing wrong with receiving some sponsorship from the casino because players are providing a service, they are lending their image to the casino and in return they receive some money, the relationship is clear and there is nothing wrong with that, but being a partial owner of a casino is a completely different thing, now they are invested in how well the casino is doing and they have the power to alter the results, this is not a good position to find yourself in, now no one is accusing Ibrahimovic that he in fact cheated, he has simply put himself in a position in which this is a possibility and it is why it is forbidden.
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May 17, 2021, 04:55:10 AM
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I believe the fine he faces is not 100 million Euros, but rather 100,000 Euros and a three-year suspension.
I couldn't find the source in English to quote.

true what you said bro ... maybe this will be the end of ibrahim moviz's career ... because ibrahim moviz has been involved in gambling stock issues, fifa has to pay heavy rewards, so that other players don't get involved in similar cases ..
must provide a deterrent effect ..

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