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April 21, 2021, 08:42:45 AM
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The recent withdrawal of some EPL teams  from the newly established Europa Super league after fans of those clubs kicked against it shows the importance of fans, many  Chelsea football club fans protested against Chelsea involvement in ESL outside their stadium before their match against Brighton,  pressure mounted by the fans culminated to the quick withdrawal, if not for Covid-19 restrictions majority of the fans would have boycotted matches involving those clubs

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April 21, 2021, 08:57:00 AM
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WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..


What's the reason for this comparisons ?

They are all Important in every Sports so why need to look for whos powerful?


All of them are powerful in their Own area in which make the game worth watching  and Betting.

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April 21, 2021, 09:25:33 AM
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WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..

The most powerful is who has the most money!

Players will always exist, even if they are amateurs. Clubs can possibly exist when a group of players play against another group.
Fans may eventually emerge, with friends and colleagues, from these players, when they go to play with others.

But in the midst of all this, these players / clubs are currently going to reach professionals, big clubs and a large number of fans, if they are hired by these famous clubs. It takes money to do that.

And the money for clubs is no longer coming from the majority of fans, but from sponsors, television and advertising rights.
The number of fans can determine better or worse advertising contracts.

In turn, clubs with the most money get the best players, and are most likely to win. Whoever wins more has a greater chance of having more fans. Those who have more fans get better sponsorships. Better sponsorships, more money.

In short, who has the most money is the one who has the most power in sport. It may be sad, for those who like the game, but unfortunately that's how the current world of sport works.

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April 21, 2021, 09:34:58 AM
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WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
^ Out of these 3 options, I never knew someone would find out!
Kidding aside, this actually applies to all sports whether it is a big one or small.
Fans are the gains of the business, if they won’t pay the platform to be entertained, the cash won’t flow properly. Clubs are almost included with the fans as they support the teams of the players, it is just that they are more invested with it compared to the fans who only watch and support their teams. But the ones who really benefit are the founders of the leagues, as they are highly compensated because of founding it and deciding to start the hype.

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April 21, 2021, 09:42:31 AM
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I think that the fans are the most powerful in the end, because if they would not support their favorite clubs with the buying of tickets and merchandise would miss out on a lot of money. The next big income source for clubs are sponsors and the money they get from the TV-stations and it's the same here. If no fans would watch the games of the clubs no TV station would have any interest to air those matches and no sponsor would be willing to pay a single penny to be shown there.
So if you look at it now the fans are the ones with the lowest power because they simply watch from the outside but have no direct influence over their clubs but on the other hand they also are the most powerful in a way as the clubs probably wouldn't exist at all without fans.

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April 21, 2021, 09:44:52 AM
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WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
There are three challenging questions to answer, but the three questions are related to each other. The three have a strong bond, but here l have to choose one of the 3, one that is strong.

Good:
Club: it can be said that it is an association with one goal or it can be specialized in branches or companies, investments, here are only classified as individuals with 10-100 members only.
Player: means someone who has expertise / proficiency in his / her field, for example: sports etc.
Of course: the physical strength and speed of each player must be their individual capital.
Fans: or supporters in the soul of each supporter have enthusiasm, fanaticism, records, team, strength, support, collective energy to move forward.
Tampa Fans of every game are useless and the result: so fans are the strongest among the OP questions.

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April 21, 2021, 09:49:53 AM
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I think that the fans are the most powerful in the end, because if they would not support their favorite clubs with the buying of tickets and merchandise would miss out on a lot of money. The next big income source for clubs are sponsors and the money they get from the TV-stations and it's the same here. If no fans would watch the games of the clubs no TV station would have any interest to air those matches and no sponsor would be willing to pay a single penny to be shown there.
So if you look at it now the fans are the ones with the lowest power because they simply watch from the outside but have no direct influence over their clubs but on the other hand they also are the most powerful in a way as the clubs probably wouldn't exist at all without fans.

It is true that fans are a very important element, but they are not the ones that have more power.

An example of this was Soccer. In the United States, football (known as soccer) was not very well known and had very few fans.
But, with a large financial investment, marketing and attracting famous players from Europe, they managed to grow and now have a good number of fans.
They started, practically without fans, but with the money invested they managed to grow and already have a number of fans that it pays to build specific stadiums for this sport.


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April 21, 2021, 09:59:44 AM
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For me, players are the most powerful among the three, why? It is very simple. Clubs can't be established or built if they don’t have the players who would commit themselves to become the best which will become entertaining to the fans due to their great results.

Fans will never be there and become amazed and support the players if players are lame and mediocre. Being a great play takes a lot of effort, money, sweat, tears, rejections, and blood. And those sacrifices have to be recognized and recognized. But the three groups are very much important to keep the sport running. One of them being missed, the league will shut down for sure. That’s for sure I guess.

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April 21, 2021, 10:09:44 AM
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For me it's the Fans , because They are the one who's making the Team more popular and they are responsible for the Bets that pushes the team to be more in demand and actively in playing for cause.
For me, players are the most powerful among the three, why? It is very simple. Clubs can't be established or built if they don’t have the players who would commit themselves to become the best which will become entertaining to the fans due to their great results.


But the players will be nothing if there are no Fans that following and supporting them.

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April 21, 2021, 10:23:45 AM
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WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..

The Clubs keep investing in players who otherwise might just be talented, skillful, unemployed and poor individuals.
They help reduce the rate of crime and Governments are happy that clubs exist..

The players bring entertainment and fulfilment to fans and supporters who otherwise might be depressed and may likely commit suicide..

Through betting, fans and supporters make money off the hard work of footballers...

The fans patronise the games and pay money for their source of entertainment. Without the fans, clubs will have less motivation to invest in the players and players are likely to suffer for that..

So in effect, fans are the real owners of clubs and players.

It is their hard earned money that keeps the game running.

Players age and they’re always replaced but the loyalty of the fans keep the club alive.

SUPPORTERS HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS NONSENSE which will deprive poor people the opportunity to make ends meet.

Reality is that Clubs gave too much money to players and made them disrespectful to their managers.

End result, more debt and lacklustre..


In my opinion, the most important thing in any project is the organizer (coordinator), that is, the clubs.  

Players are wonderful and talented people, but they need to be organized so that they can develop and use their natural abilities.  The fans are the backbone of the whole system.  However, people rarely know what they really want.  

Take the iPhone, for example. Was the iPhone invented by consumers?

No, the iPhone was invented by brilliant visionary techies led by Steve Jobs.  

Also in this situation.  Clubs organize the whole process and actually divide people into two groups - players and fans.

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The more powerful is the fan because, without the fan, the players and the clubs is nothing. We know that the fan give a big portion in the sports game and with the fan, the sports game can become bigger and become popular. The bigger the fan, the popular the sports is. So if the fan leaves them, they will not get anything. The fan will choose the players they want, and they will support that player to give the best performance.

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April 21, 2021, 10:38:16 AM
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The fans. Professional football is more entertainment than sport. In lower leagues or college football might be considered a sport. But professional football exists to entertain its fans. Numerous matches, events were canceled during the pandemic simply because their fans were not able to come to watch.

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April 21, 2021, 11:05:01 AM
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I think 3. The Fans are most important for a team. Without them a football club has nothing. Imagine an empty stadium before the corona pandemic. If all fans would boycott a trainer or a certain player than I am sure that he would be fired or transfered. Without real fans who watch every game, buy club merch and support their team no matter what, it would be very difficult for a team to exist. The best example of the power of fans is the European super league, after not even a week it ended because of fan boycott.

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April 21, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
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WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..

Not sure where this discussion is going towards and also don't understand what this discussion will bring up! I mean the bottom line of this discussion is not clear!

In a sports ecosystem, all 3 parties are mandatory. Just like the stock market where only buyers can't survive without sellers and vice versa. Similar in the sports industry, the club, footballers and the fans create an ecosystem for the sports business which is a multi billion dollar industry. If one moves out, the ecosystem will collapse!

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April 21, 2021, 11:27:32 AM
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This recent European Super League affair has shown the power the fans have. Undoubtably they are they most powerful as they're the ones that ultimately fund everything (merchandise, tickets, TV subscriptions, viewership etc.).

The difficulty for fans has always been grouping together to get a consistent opinion and therefore force the hand.

The ESL has proved if they do all gang up, no one can go against them. But on issues like VAR the consensus is too scattered so the powers that be have their way.
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It depends on what's the structure of the club. If they are just like a commercial corporation with shareholders and stuff, fans are just their customers. Yes, fans can affect decision to a certain extent, but it will be at the mercy of the directors. It's like yelling at Apple Inc. to create a triangle-shaped iPhone. Even if lots of customers want it, they may not agree with the plan.

However, if the club has a more socialistic structure, such as FC Barcelona, the fans have more say in the club's policy.

Players are equal to assets. The management will hold it as long as they make more money.

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WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..

So in effect, fans are the real owners of clubs and players.

It is their hard earned money that keeps the game running.



The fans are the market of any sports, the clubs or organizations can only exist because of the fans, they are the lifeline and blood of the sports, the sports cannot exist in charity, the fans are one paying tickets, pay the subscriptions and patronize products that are promoted by the team.

Teams and organizations are dedicated to giving the fans what they want to see, and that is excitement and fun, if they cannot give it to the fans the sports team and the organization will cease to exist.

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April 21, 2021, 12:58:55 PM
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It depends on what's the structure of the club. If they are just like a commercial corporation with shareholders and stuff, fans are just their customers. Yes, fans can affect decision to a certain extent, but it will be at the mercy of the directors. It's like yelling at Apple Inc. to create a triangle-shaped iPhone. Even if lots of customers want it, they may not agree with the plan.

Fans, just like customers, may have the last say actually. If Apple prefers to make a square smart phone and no single customer buys it, Apple will create a triangle phone. This is all ridiculous of course but this is to show how much customers matter.

If a club losses the support of fans, it won't attract audience, viewers, attendance, etc. That means it is losing its business.

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Players are equal to assets. The management will hold it as long as they make more money.

Based on a contract which the player will have to agree. Both the management and the player make money.

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Last edit: April 21, 2021, 04:43:30 PM by uneng
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WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
You nailed it on the correct order. The most powerful are the clubs, as they own the money which is used to pay players, which comes from sponsors and fans purchases at official stores and monthly payments to have benefits at club's locations and use their services. Clubs control everything.

In second you have the players, who will give the club strength and popularity. Players are like investment for the clubs: all the money paid in wages must return somehow to the clubs. Good players generate better sponsorship and incentive fans to spend more money on the industry.

In third are the fans, who actually don't own any power... They don't have any influence on the club's strategies, management, hires... Fans' role is to spend money maintaining the club working smoothly and cheer during the matches.

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April 21, 2021, 06:14:06 PM
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players because players make huge money but money is not the only measurement of power but skills also . players have a skill in the sport they play .
 fans is only consist of one people if you seperate it and its income is not big than what a single player can make and a fan is a normal type of person .
 they dont have the skill that a real player had , same applies in the club .
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