[Table] Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos

[bitmover]

@Pmalek, Have you noticed that the BTC/USD exchange rate images are showing an invalid message?

Hi Mahdirakib
Yes, I am aware of it. BlackHatCoiner informed me that he discontinued his hosting service, and so the USD values will no longer be displayed in my table. Apparently, bitmover offers an alternative. I will see what that is all about and if I can somehow incorporate it into this topic. If not, I will just display the BTC values without the USD equivalents.   

You are right, bitcoindata.science API will work for this.

For example:

0.001 BTC:

Code:

[img]https://bitcoindata.science/api/localprice.php?coin=bitcoin&amount=0.001&currency=USD[/img]

Full Docs here:
https://bitcoindata.science/bitcointalk-api.html#local-price

You can use any fiat currency, just add it to the URL parameter.


You can also use the other way around. For example:

30 USD:

Code:

 [img height=16]https://bitcoindata.science/api/fiattobtc.php?fiatamount=15&currency=USD[/img]

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[notblox1]

Yes, I am aware of it. BlackHatCoiner informed me that he discontinued his hosting service, and so the USD values will no longer be displayed in my table. Apparently, bitmover offers an alternative. I will see what that is all about and if I can somehow incorporate it into this topic. If not, I will just display the BTC values without the USD equivalents.  

I think you should contact Bitmover and he can help you replacing everything with his service images.
Last time I checked he added some nice feature and monitoring bitcoin addresses, transactions and other things.
It wont be a problem for him to convert Bitcoin to dollar.

When is the last time you checked if withdrawal amounts are correct for listed websites?

[Pmalek]

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That's great and it looks good.
I will begin making the changes later today to see how it works. Hopefully there won't be any issues since there will be many instances where I will use the code in the OP.

When is the last time you checked if withdrawal amounts are correct for listed websites?

I am sure that many need to be updated. Last time I checked was the end of April. After the network fees exploded following the Ordinals hype, many casinos increased their withdrawal fees as a result. I decided to wait to see if the situation will calm down. But nothing has changed even several months after. We still have hundreds of thousands of unconfirmed transactions in the mempools and higher than usual fees.

After I update the code according to bitmover's suggestions, I will go through the table and change the numbers one by one. I adjusted the info for BC.game and OwlGames as Mahdirakib suggested yesterday. 

[Mahdirakib]

I adjusted the info for ~ and OwlGames

A little correction is required here. OwlGames minimum withdrawal limit is 0.001 BTC, but you have added 0.0001 BTC in the table. Aren't you going to add USD/EURO to crypto exchange rate code? It won't be bad to use that code instead of the 'equivalent in BTC'. Thanks to 'bitmover' for such helpful data site.

[notblox1]

I am sure that many need to be updated. Last time I checked was the end of April. After the network fees exploded following the Ordinals hype, many casinos increased their withdrawal fees as a result. I decided to wait to see if the situation will calm down. But nothing has changed even several months after. We still have hundreds of thousands of unconfirmed transactions in the mempools and higher than usual fees.

I also used some casino websites in last  several weeks and I noticed big increase in withdrawal fees, but like you said this was probably caused by many stuck transactions on bitcoin blockchain.
This is now all back to normal and I dont understand why casinos would not return fees back to normal states.
Big respect for all casinos that had zero transaction fees during this period, like Sportsbet for example.

[Pmalek]

A little correction is required here. OwlGames minimum withdrawal limit is 0.001 BTC, but you have added 0.0001 BTC in the table.

I changed it now to the correct number. Thanks again!

Aren't you going to add USD/EURO to crypto exchange rate code? It won't be bad to use that code instead of the 'equivalent in BTC'.

I have added the correct code for all exchanges that I believe should have it. The page struggles to display all the information, but the code is in the table. The info $X equivalent in BTC will remain for those casinos that don't have a fixed BTC amount for withdrawals and instead change it every time based on the current exchange rate. 

I also used some casino websites in last  several weeks and I noticed big increase in withdrawal fees, but like you said this was probably caused by many stuck transactions on bitcoin blockchain.
This is now all back to normal and I dont understand why casinos would not return fees back to normal states.

The Ordinals spam is still an ongoing issue. We currently have around 250.000 of unconfirmed transactions sitting in the mempools. This number will probably increase during business days by another 50-100k, so the situation is far from optimal.

[notblox1]

The Ordinals spam is still an ongoing issue. We currently have around 250.000 of unconfirmed transactions sitting in the mempools. This number will probably increase during business days by another 50-100k, so the situation is far from optimal.

This is normal situation in mempool and nothing serious, you can see right now that anyone can send bitcoin with High Priority and paying only 14 sat/vB or $0.60.
I dont see any more hype around ordinals posted anywhere, and I dont think it affects casino withdrawals.
Maybe this will happen again in future and dynamic withdrawal fees fixes this.
 

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

This is normal situation in mempool and nothing serious, you can see right now that anyone can send bitcoin with High Priority and paying only 14 sat/vB or $0.60.

Mempools are cleaning up and you can make your transaction with 8 or 9 sat/vbyte to get quick confirmation within 1 or 2 blocks.
https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC%20(default%20mempool),24h,weight

I dont see any more hype around ordinals posted anywhere, and I dont think it affects casino withdrawals.
Maybe this will happen again in future and dynamic withdrawal fees fixes this.

They will upgrade themselves and try to exploit the Bitcoin Taproot protocol and mempools in future. If Bitcoin developers won't upgrade the protocol, those Ordinals will return like CryptoKitties on ERC20 returned in 2020 - 2022 with massive GameFi, Metaverse, NFT projects on the Ethereum blockchain.

Problems with gambling sites and centralized exchanges are they always very delayed to update withdrawal fee in a decreasing side but very quickly to upgrade withdrawal fee when they need to increase it.

[Pmalek]

Mempools are cleaning up and you can make your transaction with 8 or 9 sat/vbyte to get quick confirmation within 1 or 2 blocks.
https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC%20(default%20mempool),24h,weight

I like what I am seeing. Hopefully we can see the mempools emptying to 100k or below in the next couple of days. That would be a good sign.

Problems with gambling sites and centralized exchanges are they always very delayed to update withdrawal fee in a decreasing side but very quickly to upgrade withdrawal fee when they need to increase it.

That's the way the world works. The price of gasoline is a good example. It quickly moves upwards due to any related price increases on the market, but when the situation stabilizes, businesses aren't as quick to reduce their profits.

[notblox1]

Problems with gambling sites and centralized exchanges are they always very delayed to update withdrawal fee in a decreasing side but very quickly to upgrade withdrawal fee when they need to increase it.

This is tactics to make a little extra money by doing nothing, but I can understand that sometimes this is needed to avoid loses.
If I was the owner of casino I would have dynamic withdrawal fees and I would try to be honest about it, as much as that is possible in gambling business.
Big reputable casinos can afford to have no withdrawal fees on customer end.

[Pmalek]

This is tactics to make a little extra money by doing nothing, but I can understand that sometimes this is needed to avoid loses.

I remember back in the day when I was a participant of the FortuneJack signature campaign, we used to receive our weekly payments in our casino accounts. FortuneJack had free withdrawals back then, and they still have them now. They obviously paid the blockchain fees when you withdrew bitcoin. For some of my withdrawals, I remember that the fees amounted up to $20-$30. Now imagine if it was similar for all other campaign participants. And then take it up a notch and think of all the other players who request withdrawals whose fees the casino pays. It surely amounts to quite a hefty sum.

[notblox1]

I remember back in the day when I was a participant of the FortuneJack signature campaign, we used to receive our weekly payments in our casino accounts. FortuneJack had free withdrawals back then, and they still have them now. They obviously paid the blockchain fees when you withdrew bitcoin. For some of my withdrawals, I remember that the fees amounted up to $20-$30. Now imagine if it was similar for all other campaign participants. And then take it up a notch and think of all the other players who request withdrawals whose fees the casino pays. It surely amounts to quite a hefty sum.

Maybe they pay fees unless they confiscate your coins like they confiscated mine, so I am not using this casino anymore and I dont recommend it to anyone.
Another problem with them is minimal withdrawal amount that is $150, so nobody could withdraw that in signature campaign, this is so stupid  
Sportsbet is much better, they dont charge any fees for withdrawal and minimum amount to withdraw bitcoin is 0.002 BTC that is now estimated at $60, so maybe you need to correct your table for that.

This is what I see on Sportsbet website:



This is written in your table:



Something is wrong with dollar calculations and they are not loading for many casinos or they load incorrectly:



 

[bitmover]

This is tactics to make a little extra money by doing nothing, but I can understand that sometimes this is needed to avoid loses.

I remember back in the day when I was a participant of the FortuneJack signature campaign, we used to receive our weekly payments in our casino accounts. FortuneJack had free withdrawals back then, and they still have them now. They obviously paid the blockchain fees when you withdrew bitcoin. For some of my withdrawals, I remember that the fees amounted up to $20-$30. Now imagine if it was similar for all other campaign participants. And then take it up a notch and think of all the other players who request withdrawals whose fees the casino pays. It surely amounts to quite a hefty sum.

I remembered my old days in yolodice campaign,  back in 2018 and 2019.

I received my payment in my yolodice account as well. I had to pay withdrawal fees, and I paid a lot of money in those fees.. I was making like 1 withdrawal per month, and sometimes fees were high.

I used to bet sometimes before withdrawal,  until a day when I lost like 0.04 btc in a stupid game lol it was not that money by the time, but i decided to stop gambling with my week earnings   

[Pmalek]

Maybe they pay fees unless they confiscate your coins like they confiscated mine, so I am not using this casino anymore and I dont recommend it to anyone.

I am sorry to hear that. I never had such problems with FortuneJack, neither while I was active in their signature camping nor afterwards.

Another problem with them is minimal withdrawal amount that is $150, so nobody could withdraw that in signature campaign, this is so stupid  

They have one of the highest minimum withdrawal amounts. I don't remember how it was while the campaign was active but I never had issues withdrawing my weekly earnings. And I usually did it on a weekly basis.

Sportsbet is much better, they dont charge any fees for withdrawal and minimum amount to withdraw bitcoin is 0.002 BTC that is now estimated at $60, so maybe you need to correct your table for that.

I will go through each casino and update the numbers because I haven't checked them in months.

Something is wrong with dollar calculations and they are not loading for many casinos or they load incorrectly

I know. I PMed bitmover about it as well. There are too many images and that's causing the issues. I hope it will be sorted out.

I find this thread very interesting and informative but Op you should as well listed some crypto casino that offers free withdrawal fees

You should check the table properly. Had you done that, you wouldn't have written that there aren't any.

[notblox1]

I used to bet sometimes before withdrawal,  until a day when I lost like 0.04 btc in a stupid game lol it was not that money by the time, but i decided to stop gambling with my week earnings   

This can happen to all of us, maybe first we won something and then greed takes over, but last two times I tried this I won nice amount of coins.

I will go through each casino and update the numbers because I haven't checked them in months.

I think many of them changed amounts and fees when ordinals created high transaction fees, but I can check for website I usually use.
Maybe you should add date in first page when you check websites, so people can know if something may be outdated or not.
I am doing this for my EFL Championship thread whenever I update table with team placements.

[bitmover]

Something is wrong with dollar calculations and they are not loading for many casinos or they load incorrectly

I know. I PMed bitmover about it as well. There are too many images and that's causing the issues. I hope it will be sorted out.

I believe to have solved the problem.

I cached the price in a local file in my server, and we are not getting blocked by external API now.

It is faster, but as there are like 50+ requests, it still takes some time to load. But all images are loading now.



I also have a small suggestion for some casinos:
$150,  currently

Code:

https://bitcoindata.science/api/fiattobtc.php?coin=bitcoin&fiatamount=150

[Pmalek]

Maybe you should add date in first page when you check websites, so people can know if something may be outdated or not.

You can see the information at the bottom of the table. There is a sentence that says Last updated. The last time I made a full update was on 27 April.

I believe to have solved the problem.

I cached the price in a local file in my server, and we are not getting blocked by external API now.

It is faster, but as there are like 50+ requests, it still takes some time to load. But all images are loading now.

It works better now, thanks! Almost all of the images load successfully.

I also have a small suggestion for some casinos:
$150,  currently

Is there a way to lower the image entry and bring it in line with the text? If you look at the result, you will see that the BTC amount is slightly higher up than the word 'currently'.

[Mahdirakib]

I also have a small suggestion for some casinos:
$150,  currently

OP should use 'approximately' instead of currently. Because different casinos use different resources to calculate the price of BTC. And casino doesn't update the minimum withdrawal amount instantly for the price change of BTC. Therefore, the minimum withdrawal amounts aren't going to match exactly with bitcoindata.science price calculation system.

Is there a way to lower the image entry and bring it in line with the text? If you look at the result, you will see that the BTC amount is slightly higher up than the word 'currently'.

I'm not sure whether it will work or not. But you may use the image height changing command to check it out.

$150, currently

Or you  may use the sub command for the image.

$150, currently

[bitmover]

Or you  may use the sub command for the image.

$150, currently

I liked this idea.

The problem is that the forum automatically adds some padding to the bottom of the image. The bottom border is nearly zero already. sub solved it!

[so98nn]

This is the best thread so far and I am not sure if Op has already thought about this but they should add a system that will fetch the current ongoing promotions from the gambling sites. It shall also be able to show in one column regarding the promo codes as soon as they get available on social media.

Wow, imagine the fun after adding such features. I respect your work and the efforts that you have put into this as it seems complicated to make that table, arrange it in sequence, adding the code for live Bitcoin price, I know the pain because I have myself added a few tutorials in the beginner's sections, it's hard.

Do you think something like adding promos and live statuses about the active codes is possible? I don't know, but the space of entire page will be the issue in that case.