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June 14, 2021, 08:49:08 AM
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I'm almost certain that there isn't any laws which governs Bitcoin mining? Certain sanctions might prohibit firms based in the US from handling certain transactions but I don't think they have yet to implement it on Bitcoin mining, because it's just ineffective. Seems like they were just doing so to appease the US government. Do CMIIW though.
Someone living in US and familiar with US law should comment on this, I'm just quoting their own claims that they did what they did based on "U.S. regulatory standards" Tongue.

Anyways, doesn't matter. There isn't any reasonable way to prove that they're not censoring transactions anymore.
It is actually easy to prove with a good level of certainty. It just costs a little bit of money in transaction fees.
What we can do is first figure out what transactions exactly they "censor", for example CoinJoin txs. Then choose a time when fees are low, like now that they are 1 sat/vbyte so that it doesn't cost a lot. Then every time a new block is mined (by someone else) we send a couple of such transactions with higher than normal fee to the mempool so that they are definitely picked up by miners but we have to repeat it since MARA pool has lower hashrate and can not find blocks regularly. After they found a block we can see if it contains the said transaction or not. Repeat it a couple of times to avoid false positives.

In other words if the mempool contained a certain type of transaction with high priority fee and a mining pool ignored it when they found a block that means they are censoring that transaction type, otherwise if 99% of the times they are picking that tx up they aren't censoring anything.

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June 14, 2021, 11:26:42 AM
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It is actually easy to prove with a good level of certainty. It just costs a little bit of money in transaction fees.
What we can do is first figure out what transactions exactly they "censor", for example CoinJoin txs. Then choose a time when fees are low, like now that they are 1 sat/vbyte so that it doesn't cost a lot. Then every time a new block is mined (by someone else) we send a couple of such transactions with higher than normal fee to the mempool so that they are definitely picked up by miners but we have to repeat it since MARA pool has lower hashrate and can not find blocks regularly. After they found a block we can see if it contains the said transaction or not. Repeat it a couple of times to avoid false positives.

In other words if the mempool contained a certain type of transaction with high priority fee and a mining pool ignored it when they found a block that means they are censoring that transaction type, otherwise if 99% of the times they are picking that tx up they aren't censoring anything.
Yeah, I know but it doesn't prove beyond reasonable doubt. They can give tons of excuse for something like this happening as well. Having the mining pool openly state that they're censoring transactions is not a good look however you look at it, just negative PR. They also don't reveal the kinds of transactions which they actively censor, and given the fact that they find the blocks on an irregular basis, it makes it all the more harder to prove that they're not doing something like this. Of course, there isn't any reason why they should continue censoring it, because it is just ineffective.

Regardless, I think MARA pool's decision to signal for Taproot shouldn't really be associated with their past censorship behavior. They're doing so because there isn't any reason why they shouldn't.

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June 14, 2021, 11:57:03 AM
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I'm almost certain that there isn't any laws which governs Bitcoin mining?

check the source code Smiley

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June 14, 2021, 12:04:52 PM
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check the source code Smiley
Laws within the US that governs Bitcoin mining related firms or its related activities.

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June 14, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
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check the source code Smiley
Laws within the US that governs Bitcoin mining related firms or its related activities.

all I'm saying is that I doubt any such thing will be more effective than the code.

the code restricts the writing of any gangster ordinances, so the code is at a higher level of enforcement

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