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May 03, 2021, 06:35:41 PM
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If they are not going to make it decentralized which they won't as you guessed, why bother? They bother because they don't want the physical notes.

It's more than that.
Unlike the data from private companies VISA or MasterCard, or payment processors, which they have to ask and may not come so easy, unlike private banks where locking your money may take a while (papers getting sent, approved, operations done only in banking days), their own electronic money solves all this: full control over all the information and tracking, full control for locking or confiscating the coins they want whenever they want.
Shortly: full surveillance and control, that's why they bother. And I expect to be cheaper to be used than credit cards, hence shops may even advertise/prefer this kind of payment.
And yes, I also expect it will allow reversal or payments; being centralized it may not even need a blockchain.
It will probably use some sort of so-called DLT (Distributed Lddger Technology) which, of course, does not mean anything!
What I am a bit sad about is that bitcoin was a wake-up call for the financial world which is now finding some very bad ways of improving cash and whatever is related to payments.
I hope the old nice cash coins and notes will survive but I know that in 10-15 years my kids will ask me what those things were because they would not know.
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Even in the event that an attacker gains more than 50% of the network's computational power, only transactions sent by the attacker could be reversed or double-spent. The network would not be destroyed.
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May 03, 2021, 07:26:30 PM
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It's more than that.
Unlike the data from private companies VISA or MasterCard, or payment processors, which they have to ask and may not come so easy, unlike private banks where locking your money may take a while (papers getting sent, approved, operations done only in banking days), their own electronic money solves all this: full control over all the information and tracking, full control for locking or confiscating the coins they want whenever they want.
Shortly: full surveillance and control, that's why they bother. And I expect to be cheaper to be used than credit cards, hence shops may even advertise/prefer this kind of payment.
And yes, I also expect it will allow reversal or payments; being centralized it may not even need a blockchain.

And why would anybody agree to use this surveillance systems? The only viable answer is, they are going to eliminate all the other competitors ,and that includes bitcoin as well, so you won't have any other choice. And if they will be their own payment gates and render VISA/MC obsolete I guess that's very bad news for their shareholders.

As far as I know, they can already confiscate the dollars whenever they want if they are sitting in a bank account but again, the big problem is the physical notes.

I see it as a futile attempt to make people spend their currencies on the stupid shit because that stupid shit (like phones, TV's, luxury cars, newer GPU's) create jobs and the more people get employed the more successful the government looks and the more successful the government looks, the more votes they get in the next election.

I guess they may even block your commodity purchases with this new system because buying commodities would fuck them up.

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May 03, 2021, 08:54:05 PM
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I guess they may even block your commodity purchases with this new system because buying commodities would fuck them up.

So they will make a new chain... with full control over that chain?! Some board of directors, or politicians, will have the power to do with that chain as they like? Like to issue more coins when they like, they will burn some coins, or sell where they wish?!
Isn't all that what we have now?! Of course, as others say, controlling digital will be much easier than controlling cash! So new digital fiat will be fiat, with more powers...

Well, what else to say here than to state the obvious... centralized is centralized in any form! With a digital system, centralized organizations will have more control than they have now... on the other side decentralization is something else! And we will see what will people choose... in the end choice is on us! All of us!

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