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May 03, 2021, 02:01:55 AM
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About a few months ago, I learned some Japanese candlesticks for cryptocurrency trading. And there are some shapes when they happen that mean that there is a rise, ie: Buy. And some forms when they occur mean that there is a fall in the currency, ie: sell or hold. In the first case, you will buy, and if "everyone wants to profit" and everyone of course knows the rise, who is the dumb who will sell you this? In the second case, you want to sell, and also "everyone does not want to lose". Who is the dumb who would buy this from you? And with this logic, what are these shapes?

There is always something that happens naturally on a regular basis and causes regular results, but something happens based on "people's minds" (buy / sell), ie: it is erratic. So how will the results be regular (up / down)?

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May 03, 2021, 02:30:40 AM
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Yes everyone follows the same strategy buy low and sell high. And they don't even care about candlesticks. When they hold, it means they are just there waiting but are already on the sell order to be filled which these sellers must have bought at a cheaper price.

Who wants to sell when the price goes high?  The answer, the ones who want to take profit. They could be the traders who learned pretty well in hopping from one coin to another.









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May 03, 2021, 02:37:21 AM
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A lot of people seem to be just gambling on these markets anyway. You won't get much follow through from ta on pairs like btcusd because you've got random manipulation to factor in if someone just dumps their coins or sends large amounts of coins in one transaction...

Not everyone has the patience to hold onto their strategies either which might be where a lot of the gaps come from as well as speculators just buying because they're dcaing or something.

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May 03, 2021, 03:11:50 AM
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A lot of people seem to be just gambling on these markets anyway. You won't get much follow through from ta on pairs like btcusd because you've got random manipulation to factor in if someone just dumps their coins or sends large amounts of coins in one transaction...

Not everyone has the patience to hold onto their strategies either which might be where a lot of the gaps come from as well as speculators just buying because they're dcaing or something.
That means that the only ones that will be able to win big in trading are the ones with the most flexible strategy. That's why I feel like I can't do trading because I assess myself to not be able to make a flexible decision on the fly and I have to find a way to control my anger and patience because I believe that it is useful if I am calm, collected and chill.



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May 03, 2021, 04:53:29 AM
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That article presents some common mistakes by investors and traders. We repeat our mistakes many times and losses won't help us to stop repeating such stupid mistakes that are causes of losses.

It is a long article but informative and deserves your reading time. If you don't want to repeat your mistakes, read it and read it again whenever you have spare time. I don't wish you more losses but if you get other loses, try to read that article again.

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May 03, 2021, 09:56:50 AM
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Is Heiken Ashi what you are talking about? I'm not sure what your intention on using it for, but I think it's a practical candlestick that tells you the average direction of the actual price. It's a great way to be utilized if you are very strict in your rules in trading. No matter what the situation is.

I don't think everyone is following the same strategy, and it's just that there are two types of mindset that could be formed.
  • Bullish Traders
  • Bearish Traders

They are in a fight who would win, and in the long run, they are going looking to be the winner in every battle. What matters is going to be who's on top and who would win the market. It just goes to show that not everyone is following the same strategy but people are following the same mindset of the market.





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May 03, 2021, 01:14:17 PM
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If that strategy of doing the same as others is effective, why wouldn't we keep doing it? But as for me, I have my own strategy. If I want to sell, I will have no doubt to sell.
And if I'm going to buy, no matter what the prices are, I'll not care about it and will buy for myself.


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May 03, 2021, 10:21:44 PM
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No I disagree, I believe not everyone is trading with the same strategy if not we all should have been riched by now because the tremendous gains of the market in the past 6months should had made everyone trading or investing to be in massive profits but that's not the case.

We have those that are stuck in loses due to some decisions they must have made to short the market thinking a correction is on day way. You do know the spot market is just one way to trade on the crypto market and not the only way.

We have those stucks with millions of losses as a result of them shorting bitcoin after thinking one of its previous highs was the peak and we'll still have more victims as the bullrun continue until the whole fun is over then we'll begin to record losses form longers and shorters now been the benefitors.





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May 03, 2021, 10:37:01 PM
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We’re using the same indicators in trading but I don’t think we follow the same strategy to succeed on this market because we all have one, I assume.

Trading is not just buying and selling, trading will help you know when and what to buy, so having your own strategy makes you ahead of the others strategy, always know that if its a good project, there’s always a buyer and seller.

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May 04, 2021, 01:17:31 AM
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I don't think we can have all the same strategy but yeah the basics is we buy low then sell high but if you get caught up in the moment that you've got the wrong trade you may sell low before you get more downward movement from the market. We are different and unique trader/investors, therefore, we all have different approaches too when it comes to trading.

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May 04, 2021, 02:02:57 AM
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That is how the market run. Sometimes, you cant read the patterns and you have to anticipate what the hell are the market try to do by looking at a variety of variables. If you find a coin is overbought, will you force yourself to buy it? Or when a coin is super low, is it good to buy it? There are so many question in trading and you do not have to answer all of them. As long as you have profit, you do not need to make any conclusion of the market. Just trust your instinc

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May 04, 2021, 03:34:12 AM
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Yes everyone follows the same strategy buy low and sell high. And they don't even care about candlesticks. When they hold, it means they are just there waiting but are already on the sell order to be filled which these sellers must have bought at a cheaper price.

Who wants to sell when the price goes high?  The answer, the ones who want to take profit. They could be the traders who learned pretty well in hopping from one coin to another.

Obviously everyone wants to make a profit and doesn't want to suffer a loss, this is the law in trading, if he wants to lose it is better to be a donor for people who really need help, obviously it is more noble to do that.

it seems that nothing will differentiate when it comes to any trading strategy including crypto, buy when the price drops and sell when the price is appropriate to receive profit (don't be greedy), because sometimes you always want to find the biggest profit. because human behavior is sometimes excessive so that it is not controlled, instead it does not receive what is expected.

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Yes everyone follows the same strategy buy low and sell high. And they don't even care about candlesticks. When they hold, it means they are just there waiting but are already on the sell order to be filled which these sellers must have bought at a cheaper price.

Who wants to sell when the price goes high?  The answer, the ones who want to take profit. They could be the traders who learned pretty well in hopping from one coin to another.

Obviously everyone wants to make a profit and doesn't want to suffer a loss, this is the law in trading, if he wants to lose it is better to be a donor for people who really need help, obviously it is more noble to do that.

it seems that nothing will differentiate when it comes to any trading strategy including crypto, buy when the price drops and sell when the price is appropriate to receive profit (don't be greedy), because sometimes you always want to find the biggest profit. because human behavior is sometimes excessive so that it is not controlled, instead it does not receive what is expected.
indeed here the most determining factor is psychological. we are afraid to cut losses, and tend to be greedy when we have made a profit, which in the end burns and self-regret begins. I am sure that people who feel like that will certainly find it difficult to survive in the crypto world

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May 04, 2021, 05:34:55 AM
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Well, the end goal is all the same, just that the medium may be a tad bit different from one another. Winning in trading means that someone else is losing after all, so having the same strategies isn't entirely the truth. The basics is buy high sell low and that's pretty much what most traders follow, but strategies, in the end, depending on how the market moves, aka how other trader moves. In the end, the best strategy is to depend on how you actually react to the market demand, reading it basically means knowing what the market needs and an easy access to actually profiting.

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Another factor to consider is the timeframe. Some traders use short-timeframe such as 30 min, 15 min, and so on to make a decision, while others tend to use longer timeframes. It depends on their style and their profit target. In the end, not everyone will buy when there's a bull flag due to various reasons, and vice versa. After all, those are just probabilities, and not everyone is convinced every time a trend is formed.


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May 04, 2021, 11:23:02 AM
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About a few months ago, I learned some Japanese candlesticks for cryptocurrency trading. And there are some shapes when they happen that mean that there is a rise, ie: Buy. And some forms when they occur mean that there is a fall in the currency, ie: sell or hold. In the first case, you will buy, and if "everyone wants to profit" and everyone of course knows the rise, who is the dumb who will sell you this? In the second case, you want to sell, and also "everyone does not want to lose". Who is the dumb who would buy this from you? And with this logic, what are these shapes?

There is always something that happens naturally on a regular basis and causes regular results, but something happens based on "people's minds" (buy / sell), ie: it is erratic. So how will the results be regular (up / down)?

The markets are volatile and unpredictable,because nobody can convince all the traders to follow the same strategy/tactic/behavior/buying or selling pattern.
The markets exist,because of a thing called "asymmetric information",which means that some of the traders have better information about the market than others,so they are using that information to profit.
Those "Japanese candlesticks" patterns you are talking about are NOT asymmetric information.This is just a lame pseudo-tactic,which is being sold by some fake "trading guru".


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Just trust your instinc

The strategy is different from every trader. Buying and selling is based on demand and our strategy guide us to rise and fall of the market. Basically it is not about our instinct but also our strategy to determine and confirm what the instinct or emotion is directing.


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May 04, 2021, 12:34:50 PM
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Someone is selling and someone is also buying. That is what happens in the market. And that is the reason why we are still alive.
If we miss one of those things, I don't know what will happen. But the good thing is that we don't have the same idea and mindset, and not all of us are willing to hold of the same time frame nor of the same target when to sell.

So it finds wrong that everyone is following the same strategy coz it is obviously not, and we're not gonna expect that thing will happen.


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About a few months ago, I learned some Japanese candlesticks for cryptocurrency trading. And there are some shapes when they happen that mean that there is a rise, ie: Buy. And some forms when they occur mean that there is a fall in the currency, ie: sell or hold. In the first case, you will buy, and if "everyone wants to profit" and everyone of course knows the rise, who is the dumb who will sell you this? In the second case, you want to sell, and also "everyone does not want to lose". Who is the dumb who would buy this from you? And with this logic, what are these shapes?

There is always something that happens naturally on a regular basis and causes regular results, but something happens based on "people's minds" (buy / sell), ie: it is erratic. So how will the results be regular (up / down)?

The biggest factors why people tend to follow the same strategy is that humans are herd animals, we feel much better in groups. The same goes validation in our ideas, we are rather looking for arguments that support our theories than for arguments against it. Personally I never used Japanese candlesticks, but I use other form of chart analysis. These are tools we can get for free and I think many others are using them too for trading. As for the buyer for when we try to sell, there are also some kind of traders who try to swim against the current. So every time you are selling, they will try to buy, and vice versa.

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Who is the dumb who would buy this from you? And with this logic, what are these shapes?
That means NOT everyone is following the same strategy. Or even most traders are following same strategy they are not following same timeframe. (hope you are aware of how different timeframe leads to different analysis and different interpretations).

When you are selling someone else is buying as per their strategy. This doesn't mean you are right and the another trader is wrong because you both may end your trade in profits as extension of same trend is possible after your selling.

Shapes in markets will vary along with different timeframe which makes even all traders are following same strategy leads them to react differently at one particular point of time (like you sell but another one buys).


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