[POLL] Do vaccines kill people?

[suchmoon]

Inspired by our dear P&S celebrity BADecker:

The vaccines kill, and the deaths are being hidden.

I must say I have some doubts about this statement. Let's have a quick vote and set the record straight. Obviously only vaccinated people can vote because we can trust only first-hand experiences. So if you have been vaccinated please let us know if you're still alive or not.

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[Charles-Tim]

I must say I have some doubts about this statement. Let's have a quick vote and set the record straight. Obviously only vaccinated people can vote because we can trust only first-hand experiences. So if you have been vaccinated please let us know if you're still alive or not.

I think other people should vote also, people that have heard cases of death after vaccination. People that have died after receiving vaccination will not be able to vote.

But I have not heard any record of death than some vaccine adverse effect like blood clotting.
Edit:
Over 250 million people have been vaccinated, even if no vaccine is given to any of them and they are not having the virus, what guarantee that few people will not still die without having the virus and without receiving the vaccine.

So far, more than 268 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered around the world.

[Raytheon]

Obviously only vaccinated people can vote because we can trust only first-hand experiences. So if you have been vaccinated please let us know if you're still alive or not.

Something wrong here. If a vaccinated person died, how could he vote to let you know?

Back to the topic, it really depends on what kind of vaccine:

Chinese Corona vaccines are a joke. Look at those countries that used them, from Cambodia, Nepal to Brazil, which countries isn't on the brink of collapse by Covid-19?

[Quickseller]

Yes, approximately 4100 people have died after taking the various covid vaccines. These deaths may or may not be attributed to the vaccine. Some of these deaths may be due to factors unrelated to receiving the vaccine.

When you take into consideration that 100MM+ people have received the covid vaccine, the chances of death are very low. The death rate of people receiving the vaccine is much lower than the death rate of people who are infected by covid, by a large margin. If too few people get the vaccine, the choice people will need to make is to either eventually get infected by covid, or to get the vaccine. The data suggests that getting the vaccine is safer.

[Poker Player]

Obviously only vaccinated people can vote because we can trust only first-hand experiences. So if you have been vaccinated please let us know if you're still alive or not.

Something wrong here. If a vaccinated person died, how could he vote to let you know?

LOL. The trolling has started. One person already voted that he is dead.

Anyway, BADecker doesn't care. He never lets reality spoil his ideas. JetCash also said that there were many people dying in the short term from the vaccine.

The point is that the more people are vaccinated and the more time passes, the more confident we can be that the vaccines are safe. And we can already be pretty sure today.

[Charles-Tim]

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According to the news, it was even in United States alone that over 4100 death were recorded, that means more death would be recorded in the world generally. I even thought the blood clotting adverse effect which was reported not common did not lead to death, thinking it will be impossible for few people not to die among millions of people given the vaccine. Although, not all will be linked to the vaccine.

A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

It will really be interesting to know if the blood clotting caused by the vaccine is the reason for some or most of the infrequent death or not, this now makes me to be afraid of taking any of the vaccine.

[jrrsparkles]

I'm alive even though I have been vaccinated. (Not Covid vaccine)

Still vaccines can cause a death because recently 2 people who I know died due to blot clots in their arteries which happened just after they have been vaccinated, I mean in less than a week so I don't want to take the Covid vaccine because depopulation conspiracy theories make some sense if we look all these things as a sequence.

[tvbcof]

I'm alive even though I have been vaccinated. (Not Covid vaccine)

Still vaccines can cause a death because recently 2 people who I know died due to blot clots in their arteries which happened just after they have been vaccinated, I mean in less than a week so I don't want to take the Covid vaccine because depopulation conspiracy theories make some sense if we look all these things as a sequence.

No, No!  Bad pleb!  You obviously didn't get quite enough vaccines back in the day.

[Cnut237]

People that have died after receiving vaccination will not be able to vote.

Something wrong here. If a vaccinated person died, how could he vote to let you know?

I would imagine that there's a considerable overlap between those who think that vaccines kill people, and those who think that the vaccine implants a Bill Gates 5G chip that turns you into a zombie.
Perhaps the second option in the poll should be changed to 'undead'... this is I assume what those who voted for the second option meant.

[Oshosondy]

No, No!  Bad pleb!  You obviously didn't get quite enough vaccines back in the day.

There has been large doses of vaccines created in the past that have proved effectively, but the process of making covid 19 vaccines is too fast, this can be the reason it is not created improperly. Or if created properly, I will not use it because it clots blood of few, we have never known how long the vaccine will even last. Eat good, sleep healthily and avoid the vaccine is all I am doing.

[Juggy777]

Inspired by our dear P&S celebrity BADecker:

The vaccines kill, and the deaths are being hidden.

I must say I have some doubts about this statement. Let's have a quick vote and set the record straight. Obviously only vaccinated people can vote because we can trust only first-hand experiences. So if you have been vaccinated please let us know if you're still alive or not.

@suchmoon the answer to your question is yes people did die after taking the vaccine, and the latest example was J&@J vaccine, however do note that many have survived too. Also so far I have seen many people take vaccine around me, and luckily they all have survived however few caught covid (after second dose) which got me scared about taking the vaccine, but as I said before once Novavax comes I’ll take it and if this thread is yet around I’ll let you know that I survived  .

Source:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/johnson-johnson-vaccine-blood-clots-fda-cdc.html

[Mauser]

Inspired by our dear P&S celebrity BADecker:

The vaccines kill, and the deaths are being hidden.

I must say I have some doubts about this statement. Let's have a quick vote and set the record straight. Obviously only vaccinated people can vote because we can trust only first-hand experiences. So if you have been vaccinated please let us know if you're still alive or not.

Unfortunately I can't answer the pool because I am not yet vaccinated. But everybody I know who got vaccinated is still alive. In my country there are around 10-15 million vaccinated people and the death from vaccines are below 10 I think. Also it seems impossible to hide if someone dies from the vaccine. If a young person in your family dies you want to know why, there will be an inquiry and the family will not be silent about it.

[Similificator]

It should be obvious how vaccines were and are today. People die depending on the vaccines they took and the carelessness of the people in charge of administering those vaccines to them (not following age limit for vaccines or health checks before vaccination as to whether the person is in a good shape or healthy enough to undergo covid-19 vaccination). Nowadays, it isn't that frightening anymore to take vaccines since the people who create and administer these vaccines have already learned a lot from the past mistakes and so I believe that it is already possible for a minimal to no risk vaccination on most parts of the world.

[suchmoon]

I would imagine that there's a considerable overlap between those who think that vaccines kill people, and those who think that the vaccine implants a Bill Gates 5G chip that turns you into a zombie.

Exactly. If I were to take the shit I read on this board seriously, I must be a zombie.

It will really be interesting to know if the blood clotting caused by the vaccine is the reason for some or most of the infrequent death or not, this now makes me to be afraid of taking any of the vaccine.

The chance of dying from blood clots caused by the vaccine is much lower than the chance of same happening from getting sick with COVID-19, which you very likely will get sick with, or pretty much any other everyday risk. Like orders of magnitude lower. Or get a different vaccine if that concerns you.

But this wouldn't be the first time that people on a Bitcoin forum - who presumably trust their wealth to probabilities - don't actually have a clue of how probabilities work.

[Slow death]

i am from africa and in my country since i was born i already had many vaccines:

1 - I had a vaccine against tetanus

2 - I got a flu vaccine

3 - I got a tuberculosis vaccine

4 - I got a measles vaccine

5 - I got a vaccine against iminigitis

here in my country it is mandatory that as soon as the person has just been born, he / she starts to be vaccinated and follows a strict vaccination schedule

and I never heard of cases of death because of these vaccines, the case of covid vaccines may have some exceptions, but they are not cases to create conspiracy theory

[o_e_l_e_o]

It will really be interesting to know if the blood clotting caused by the vaccine is the reason for some or most of the infrequent death or not, this now makes me to be afraid of taking any of the vaccine.

Still vaccines can cause a death because recently 2 people who I know died due to blot clots in their arteries which happened just after they have been vaccinated

Or if created properly, I will not use it because it clots blood of few

I heard a story about someone who got suffocated by an airbag once, so I took all the airbags out of my car. You can never be too safe, ya know? I tried to do it to my neighbor's car too, but he called the cops on me. Seems like he's just a shill for BiG aIrBaG.

[_Miracle]

I voted alive even though one of my favorite songs is White Zombie's Living Dead Girl.
I'm still getting paychecks so I'm assuming that I'm still alive?


I'll keep you posted...

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I had an electrician round to do some work in my house last week. He asked me if I’d had the vaccine, I said no & that I was hesitant to take it (I’m 34). He told me his friends wife had it, she’s 31, any way she went to hospital with severe abdominal pain, turns out she had a blood clot from the AstraZeneca jab & they had to operate & remove her large bowel. Quite terrible really, the thing is you can’t sue as these vaccines are experimental & the pharma companies who make them have no responsibility for any ill effects you suffer as a consequence of having it.

If you’re old &/or have pre-existing medical conditions then sure, take the jab.

If you’re relatively fit & healthy why risk it by having an experimental vaccine? This vaccine was rushed, I don’t trust it.
Vaccines take decades to master, why on earth risk it if corona virus isn’t likely to kill you?

I’m far from an anti vaccine nut but a bit of risk assessment is a good idea. Weigh up the pros & cons, I’m 34, I am close to 100% certain my immune system will protect me against covid. I’m going to give the vaccine a miss for now.

[jrrsparkles]

the case of covid vaccines may have some exceptions, but they are not cases to create conspiracy theory

Hospitals and governments will prove that these death is natural and vaccine has no effect in this death by anyway but we don't know what is the reality so I don't want to take risk on my life as long as I don't fall sick and reaches severe stage of covid.

[o_e_l_e_o]

This study (https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005) looked at the rate of blood clots between the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) and COVID infections.
That latest data from the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html) also estimates the rate of blood clots with the "high risk" J&J vaccine.
Here are the numbers:

Pfizer/Moderna: 4.1 cases per million people
AstraZeneca: 5 cases per million people
J&J: 7 cases per million people
COVID: 39 cases per million people

Don't want a blood clot? Great! Get the vaccine. It reduces your risk of blood clots by between 80-90%!