TRUST and REPUTATION

[ChuckBuck]

Hello everyone!
Coming back here after two busy and absent days from this forum, I want to share a story. I wanted to share it that day, but I am too busy to be active and write a post. But okay, today, I'm here and talking about it 

According to you, trust and reputation, are they related? I personally find that trust and reputation have a close relationship with each other, in particular, the beliefs of others depend a lot on your beliefs, and vice versa.

Enough rambling on, the story I'm going to tell is quite short, but it concerns me, and the way I see others. As you all know, and as you can see right here, in my profile, I have a negative trust in my account. It makes perfect sense since I bought this account many years ago. I won't say more about what happened. Up to now, I have been working hard to build people's trust. It can be said, I have tried my best up to now. I don't know how many people trusted me here, but I'm sure there are some who, up to this point, still see me as a potential scammer. It's fine! Anyway, I still try to work here.

And the unexpected happened, it was over a week ago, when a strange guy PM me about his BTC exchange with my PayPal. We had the deal, and were ready to trade, but he disappeared a few days later. It doesn't matter if he doesn't come back and keep trading with me. We were going to do a deal with 400 $ and do 2 transactions, he sent it first. I'm glad he trusted me. But just 2 days ago, he went on to make another, bigger transaction, it's 600$. And I was really surprised that he still sent it first. I was really amazed! How could he trust me so much? You know, 600 dollars is not a small amount, and he risked sending it to me, it was unbelievable. He wasn't even a member of this forum, according to him, he just skimmed over here and he decided to trust me. OMG  I was socked!

I really feel grateful to him, he gave me a new sense of trust, for his trust in me. I don't want to talk about my credibility on this forum, and I'm not aiming to assert my credibility, this is just a story. I'm just amazed someone believes me so much. What do you think about being trusted by a guy you don't even know? Honestly, even when I deal with someone, I don't think I can trust someone (like me) to send $ 600 in advance. Was I too skeptical when making transactions? It seems I have lack of trust?

this is a long article, I don't hope you can read it all, but if so, please read the focus, thanks! 

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According to you, trust and reputation, are they related?

They are slightly related imo.
Trust represents the honesty or otherwise of the user; if I trust someone, I can recommend them as escrows or go first in a deal.
Reputation is more about a user's personality and what they are known for, it could be likened to popularity or attitude. A user can have a bad reputation, maybe cause they have a diverse view on certain topics, but they could still very well be trustworthy.

What do you think about being trusted by a guy you don't even know? Honestly, even when I deal with someone, I don't think I can trust someone (like me) to send $ 600 in advance. Was I too skeptical when making transactions? It seems I have lack of trust?

No, you are not to skeptical. The internet is filled with scammers and one is right to be very skeptical with any interaction involving money. The user may have been lucky not to get ripped off in this case, but making financial decisions based on sentiments is never a good idea.

[ChuckBuck]

A user can have a bad reputation, maybe cause they have a diverse view on certain topics, but they could still very well be trustworthy.

From what I have experienced, I think not everyone has a positive mindset like you. For some people, when they hate someone, they will never take him seriously, they will always treat him like a real scammer.

No, you are not to skeptical. The internet is filled with scammers and one is right to be very skeptical with any interaction involving money. The user may have been lucky not to get ripped off in this case, but making financial decisions based on sentiments is never a good idea.

At least you were thinking like me, even if he transacted with me twice, and he sent first, but if he wanted me to send first, to be honest, I wouldn't agree, because I don't really trust him. I'm surprised he trusts me, I treasure it, but it doesn't mean I can trust him. LOL  Sorry if that guy can read this, but it's true. I'll still look for a safety 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I gave you merits for writing a thoughtful post, not necessarily because I liked it.  It seemed like a "look at me, I can be trusted!" kind of post to be blunt, though you might not have intended it that way.

If you want to build a reputation here on bitcointalk, buying an account with a trust history (whether positive or negative) is the wrong way to go, and I do think the negs that were left for you because of you buying this account are just.  All of the positives that were given to your account prior to you buying it don't reflect the person behind the account right now, and that's important.  You might not be a scammer at all, but what you've done is to purchase someone else's positive trust history--and that's very much frowned upon here (as I'm sure you're well aware).

Maybe in time if you establish a track record of positive trusts, those negs you got because of the account purchase might be changed to neutrals warning members that feedback before 2015-17 (or whenever it was you acquired this account) are not to be considered when trading with you.  That's up to the members who left you negs, though.

[ChuckBuck]

I gave you merits for writing a thoughtful post, not necessarily because I liked it.

I am very happy to receive this kind of compliment  It proves that I'm not a shit poster 

It seemed like a "look at me, I can be trusted!" kind of post to be blunt, though you might not have intended it that way.

Honestly, it's like something to brag. You can see me as a kid happy to have something. It's like "I just got a candy, it's delicious, I want you to know that" 

(as I'm sure you're well aware).

You're absolutely right, I was wrong from the moment I started, and I think I have to fix everything since I admitted

that's up to the members who left you negs, though.

If possible, I expect all positive feedback that has been left in this account before I buy it may be deleted, even though it is not strictly necessary and has no effect. I will be active, maybe one day everyone will recognize that I deserve this account, and it is the only way to get better 

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Up to now, I have been working hard to build people's trust. It can be said, I have tried my best up to now.

Don't care much about reputation at all. Look at my trust page, you think I give a dime in that? You need to remember why you are in the gang in the first place. If you are here because of the love for the community and Bitcoin then that's it. Hang around or go F off somewhere else.

[khaled0111]

Your trust score shows as +1 / =1 / -1 ( ;dt)
The negative feedback you received says: "Bought account.", it didn't say you are a scammer or tried to scam anyone.
btw, I respect you admitted buying this account when you got caught and didn't deny it.

Anyone who wants to make a deal with you knows how valuable your account is and you want risk losing it for $500. Hence, they won't mind sending first.

If this user and everyone you make a successful deal with leave you a positive feedback, more traders will trust you with bigger amounts. This is the way to build a good reputation.

[ChuckBuck]

Don't care much about reputation at all.

Perhaps your opinion is different from mine. Unlike you, I need to make deals and investments, even now and in the future. So my reputation is essential that I've always wanted to build. Not only that, your reputation is good, all your activities become easier, right? I cannot live only with my love for Bitcoin, it is work, money. I can't just operate here without making money 

btw, I respect you admitted buying this account when you got caught and didn't deny it.

Thank you very much!

If this user and everyone you make a successful deal with leave you a positive feedback, more traders will trust you with bigger amounts. This is the way to build a good reputation.

Can I expose a bit of confession here? Maybe I should  Since I was caught buying an account, many people seem to avoid me. Since I was caught buying an account, some people seem to avoid me, they don't avoid dealing with me, but they avoid leaving feedback after dealing with me, even though we stay in between regular transactions. I really don't understand why 

[nutildah]

If it's a PayPal transaction and you don't honor your side of the agreement, he can just do a chargeback and keep the money. They can do this even if its sent as Friends and Family if the balance they sent came from a bank or credit card. Your anonymous trading partner probably values you as a trading option, but that doesn't necessarily mean they trust you.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Another point also takes place. Have you heard of dirty bitcoins? If your client has such easily mined bitcoins, they probably won't regret losing, and I agree with Nutildah. PayPal is not a place where you can respect and hope for confidentiality. A few complaints are enough for your account to be paused until the identity is identified.
Do not in any way think that I think of you as something negative. But if you asked me if I can trust strangers from the Internet, I would answer that I would rather not.

In terms of your purchased account, if you're fighting to be treated fairly, what's stopping you from creating a new standalone account?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Perhaps your opinion is different from mine. Unlike you, I need to make deals and investments, even now and in the future. So my reputation is essential that I've always wanted to build. Not only that, your reputation is good, all your activities become easier, right? I cannot live only with my love for Bitcoin, it is work, money. I can't just operate here without making money 

Very few people are making a living from this forum and it's not a very easy job at-least now using a bought account. If you really into making a business on this forum then my suggestion will be to have a brand-new account and start over. You can publicly announce that you are the same guy but now you are building a completely new account which has no conflict with the trust page you have with this account. It can be easily abundant this account then or even you can carry on with this account but don't need to do any business deal. There are many people who have alt accounts and they are publicly known.

It always amazed me how people think that in a forum they will make a living. Yes, those sats in the signature are okay but I do not think this sats are enough for a good dinner for one evening.

In terms of your purchased account, if you're fighting to be treated fairly, what's stopping you from creating a new standalone account?

Very good point of view.

[ChuckBuck]

If it's a PayPal transaction and you don't honor your side of the agreement, he can just do a chargeback and keep the money.

Excuse me, maybe you were wrong reading, I said: "his BTC exchange with my PayPal". Either way, in this case, I have the advantage, you know. But he still sent it in advance, which is why I'm surprised. Your analysis is only correct when I have BTC and he has PayPal, but not.

In terms of your purchased account, if you're fighting to be treated fairly, what's stopping you from creating a new standalone account?

I don't think I should throw away some of the money i used to buy this account, then start over with a brand new account and no one knows will me, what do you think about it?

Another point also takes place. Have you heard of dirty bitcoins?

I used to argue that dirty Bitcoin not exists, because Bitcoin always gives its users anonymity. But in this case, I guess you are talking about BTC from an illegal source, like hacking or stealing?

Yes, those sats in the signature are okay but I do not think this sats are enough for a good dinner for one evening.

I think it would be more difficult if I were to trade with a brand new account, who would trust a newbie? With your comments, I create a new account, and then reference it to this account. So, what does it mean to do this, people still know who I am, still see that I have a negative trust due to buy an account, what is the real meaning of creating a new account?

I believe you guys are giving my opinion to help me, but honestly, having a public alt account is only useful for people already trusted or recognized, if I create an alt account and say I'm ChuckBuck. Everything hasn't changed. Any other advices are always welcome!

By the way, a place in the signature campaign isn't enough to give me a full dinner every week, it's not the most important thing at this forum.

[nutildah]

If it's a PayPal transaction and you don't honor your side of the agreement, he can just do a chargeback and keep the money.

Excuse me, maybe you were wrong reading, I said: "his BTC exchange with my PayPal".

Apparently I got that backward, my bad.

Its still kind of a weird thing to brag about. What evidence is there that it actually happened? You can claim anything you want but you're asking us to take your word that this did happen, and I don't understand the point behind doing that.

I think it would be more difficult if I were to trade with a brand new account, who would trust a newbie?

The way things have played out in the evolution of the forum, bought accounts are generally considered to be more untrustworthy than newb accounts. Which is why a lot of DT hold the opinion that account sellers and buyers should be red tagged.

You would probably still be better off starting your own account, which is yours from the ground up. Whether or not you want to associate it with this one is up to you.

[ChuckBuck]

What evidence is there that it actually happened? You can claim anything you want but you're asking us to take your word that this did happen, and I don't understand the point behind doing that.

LoL, as I said above, I was quite surprised, and a bit happy to be trusted so much by someone. I can show evidence if needed, but is it really necessary? this is a purely emotional article, not related to reputation or anything else, please don't misunderstand.

You would probably still be better off starting your own account, which is yours from the ground up. Whether or not you want to associate it with this one is up to you.

Maybe I will try it out next time 

[YOSHIE]

LoL, as I said above, I was quite surprised, and a bit happy to be trusted so much by someone. I can show evidence if needed, but is it really necessary?

You don't need to present any evidence here of an outsider trusting you, in commerce, it is internal between you and the outside person concerned, you are free to do anything while that person trusts you 100%.

The crux of your problem is actually here:

I don't object to the negative feedback which marlboroza has left me, but I hope he considers these and edit it, I have never cheated in campaigns and no connection with other accounts.

You have already said that yourself, the only reasons that can change your future and your reputation on this forum are: @marlboroza, based on your own words: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247232.msg54418418#msg54418418, I'm not saying any other cases you've experienced on this forum.


The only solution is to convince @marlboroza for you, that is the key to your problem, trade with members of this forum honestly and include @marlboroza, if he wants to, but less sure about that.

Maybe, some people don't care how or how you do the good things out there with Bitcoin transactions.

Maybe with good and honest ethics you can appear in this forum to change your mind a little @marlboroza in the problems you face, after all it is in the hands of @marlboroza.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I think it would be more difficult if I were to trade with a brand new account, who would trust a newbie?

So you actually answered your concern here. You are using an account which was built by someone else and when you are trading using this account you are using that person's credibility to make your deals easier. You are trading with an account of your own and trading using a bought account has totally two meanings. All credibility that will be earned on the new account is yours and whatever you get from the bought account is not yours. Someone else sold you their credibility and you are using that ready-made credit.

Understand this >
You are a Hero member here with Activity: 1190, Merit: 754, Posts: 5568. The day you bought this account from that day how many posts you have made, how many merits you have earned and how many activities you have gained? Do you think it was enough for you to be a Hero member if I remove the old data? I guess no, but you are still getting paid for a Hero member in the signature, you are still considered as a Hero member and enjoying the privilege of being a Hero Member. Whatever you say to cover it up, you can not convince yourself honestly that you built this image by your own but someone else made the platform for you and you took that part as your own.

I do not see a problem with this but if you tell me that you are working hard to build a reputation for you then I will say you are wrong. You can never build a reputation of your own with this account. Someone else handed out whatever credit that they have and you are just trying to improvise it to convince the community that everything in this account will be yours.

You can claim everything that you own only in an account that you have created from scratch.

With your comments, I create a new account, and then reference it to this account. So, what does it mean to do this, people still know who I am, still see that I have a negative trust due to buy an account, what is the real meaning of creating a new account?

You said you have never scammed anyone. Good!
But this does not change that ChuckBuck is you. ChuckBuck was someone else and you bought the account.
When you create a brand-new account and say that I own ChuckBuck account and this is my brand-new account then everyone will know that you are a guy who used to own ChuckBuck which was not your account but this new account is you.

I do not think any negative or neutral feedback that was left for bought account will transfer there. However, if this account had any scam history then it would obviously be transferred to the new account too.

[lovesmayfamilis]

In terms of your purchased account, if you're fighting to be treated fairly, what's stopping you from creating a new standalone account?

I don't think I should throw away some of the money i used to buy this account, then start over with a brand new account and no one knows will me, what do you think about it?


By the way, a place in the signature campaign isn't enough to give me a full dinner every week, it's not the most important thing at this forum.

Sorry, but you are disingenuous. I checked your posts. And all of them were dedicated to only one thing, this is earnings.

Part and a very large part of your messages do not belong to you. What can be judged of you by people who are interested in trading and do not know about the trust system, being newbies? It is that you are a very old and fairly experienced user. Yeah.
But your pause of two years is clearly visible. In 2017, you immediately join earning companies.


BitcoinGirl.Club is right, you are "wearing someone else's clothes."
This is ugly in my opinion. Delete at least all messages that do not belong to you, otherwise, I would compare it with the appropriation of other people's thoughts and an attempt to impersonate someone else.

[ChuckBuck]

I do not think any negative or neutral feedback that was left for bought account will transfer there. However, if this account had any scam history then it would obviously be transferred to the new account too.

Of course, I understand this, compared to buying an account, fraud is an unacceptable thing. We are not in prison when we buy an account, but we will be in prison when we cheat and steal other people's money 

Sorry, but you are disingenuous. I checked your posts. And all of them were dedicated to only one thing, this is earnings.

Shit, I thought otherwise, I thought that by participating in large signature campaigns like this, where members would be more selective, it meant I was still better than a regular account buyer. Well, I'm wrong...

This is ugly in my opinion. Delete at least all messages that do not belong to you, otherwise, I would compare it with the appropriation of other people's thoughts and an attempt to impersonate someone else.

Of course, without any messages, I do not need them, I also do not keep any contact with the members who have traded with this account before, in general, I do not abuse the account for bad purposes, I think.

Anyway, I'm glad guys are still here to talk to me, I like that. At least, I still get some kind of attention from you, and that's enough 

[nutildah]

You are a Hero member here with Activity: 1190, Merit: 754, Posts: 5568. The day you bought this account from that day how many posts you have made, how many merits you have earned and how many activities you have gained? Do you think it was enough for you to be a Hero member if I remove the old data? I guess no, but you are still getting paid for a Hero member in the signature, you are still considered as a Hero member and enjoying the privilege of being a Hero Member.

Interestingly, I've been coming across more accounts that get banned because their previous owner was banned for plagiarism after the sale took place. The most famous case of this happened with bill gator.

But the reason I bring it up is because, as you point out, (unless they specifically make it clear otherwise) they assume all the characteristics of that account's former identity; for better or worse. Once you take that account you basically become that person. If they didn't have much in the way of a personality, then you have a lot of room to run in developing a new one.

I could theoretically give my account away to a shitposter as a goof, just to see how many posts they could make before somebody spotted that it changed hands. What would the under/over be? I give them 2 posts.

[Joel_Jantsen]

I have tried my best up to now. I don't know how many people trusted me here, but I'm sure there are some who, up to this point, still see me as a potential scammer. It's fine! Anyway, I still try to work here.

Just so you know, I don't see you as a potential scammer. I believe your terms of trade were quite biased but that again is subjective and not every member has to agree with it.

I was really amazed! How could he trust me so much?

Umm if I was that guy, I would call myself stupid for trusting random folks online. That type of guy is exactly why scams exist on bitcointalk. Newbies ignore the reputation, feedback or don't care to do any research before initiating trades. Such accounts are also the reason why AWS/Digital scammers are highly active despite flags and negative trust ratings.