Crypto-Casinos and KYC

[savetheFORUM]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

[bitterguy28]

While i inclined to remain anonymous in gambling  yet i also believe that In legit and most trusted gambling site that already exist long years here in forum is reliable in giving my KYC , Am i Safe? not sure but at least we are talking about withdrawal.

So yeah , i will allow KYC because this was already indicated in the casino's that i use to play since then and i know that one day , KYC will be asked specially if i won Large amount for clarification and for my own security as well.

[Jawhead999]

the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

Not all crypto were made for anonymity, there's a bunch altcoin is centralized and played in many casino. Few top anonymous crypto (e.g. Monero, zcash etc) aren't popular in casino industry, only less casino accept it.

After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent.

A reputable, trusted and popular casino will always better rather than unknown casino, but there's no guarantee the staff of both casino you mentioned above will not doing bad to you.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.

It depends case by case, usually casino ask a KYC to verify whether the account is not multi account, money laundry etc.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?
2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

IMO you need to trust the casino first if you want to give your KYC, so you're feel more safe and confident. If you not trust the casino, better to lose your money instead giving your KYC.

[YuginKadoya]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

It will depend on what casino that is getting your KYC if a casino is well known and has established trust within the gambling community just like Stake.com then I would gladly offer my KYC, but in terms of a KYC that may not get you in any kind of trouble is good for me as well.

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365.  I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

You can always pick an online casino that you mostly trust that you think and feel safe, and always do your own research in picking one, but if you really don't trust that then you better just play on Fiat online casino than risking your cryptos with unestablished crypto ones.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.

KYC is not only for the casino's safety but for the safety of your wallet aswell, but if that KYC would invade our private life and taken away your security then that is the time you will need to quit.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

If that certain Online Crypto casino is an established one and well known by the Bitcointalk community then I feel really safe handling out my KYC but it is always your decision to make in doing so.

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

Why would you feel that if you are not doing something wrong and something like this would certainly not often happen.

[eaLiTy]

I would stay away from casino which enforces mandatory KYC especially if it is a new platform, but i do not mind providing my identity in trusted casino and infact i have verified my identity in sportsbet which they enforced to make a withdrawal after using them for many years because of network congestion one of my transactions took days to get through and the site considered that as a failed transaction and it took a few days to sort and that is when they asked to verify.
During that period i did verify my identity in stake as well even though they did not enforce.

[jrrsparkles]

Having mandatory KYC requirements to play on a crypto based gambling is actually against the KYC just like what you said but on some cases if casinos feel that the players are taking these anonymity for granted to cheat the governments by involving money laundering or by any means then its okay to reveal their identity but still it should not be misused to pay the rewards if someone who won a lot.

Don't reveal your identity, especially the sensitive data like your contact number and address then you are putting yourself under huge risk!

[Marvelman]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

Of course not. Crypto-casinos are sometimes hacked, and this will likely mean they take your KYC documents, too.
There is no way to tell who runs the casino or what their security policy is. KYC documents should only be provided to respectable companies that follow the highest security protocols.

[Wexnident]

Asking a crypto casino kinda defeats the purpose of users actually wanting to use crypto anonymously. It's like putting the cart before the horse kind of thing? But then again, casinos are sometimes required by the government themselves to put out KYC restrictions for the sake of security and legality and whatnot, so I can't really blame them. I'd put the government first before users since they are the ones that allow them to actually continue their business. Still, it might have been better to as you said, use fiat instead of crypto if that was the case. Let other companies that have the capability to get a license give us a crypto KYC-free casino instead of filling up the scene with casinos that have KYC.

[o48o]

Most of cryptocasinos are just too shady for me to give them anything so i am not gambling with high stakes in any of them. But if i win big with low stakes, i would be amazed if no one wouldn't ask for KYC. That would probably rise even more red flags for those casinos.

Then again, my id is probably sold many times now in the black market because i wasn't being that careful before. Luckily those IDs expire pretty fast and they will be harder to use.

[famososMuertos]

KYC is an option on crypto casinos, so simply find the crypto casino that best suits your thoughts, ideals, reasons ... it's simple.

Crypto casinos are a beautiful evolution:
They allow the use of different types of cryptocurrencies, allow minimum bets of up to 8 decimal places unlike its equivalent in Fiat only 2. The Probability Fair in each bet, among other characteristics such as anonymity in your deposits and withdrawals using blockchain technology, then! as you can see it's not just about anonymity.

[Maslate]

It's actually a case-to-case basis though, it entirely depends on the reputation of a casino, if they are reputable, then I will not hesitate to submit my KYC to gamble. In the first place, it's still easier to gamble with crypto than in fiat. If you submit KYC on exchanges, then I think there's no reason not to submit KYC on a gambling site if you trust them.

I heard there's one casino now that requires KYC, we gotta respect that as that's their rules, besides, we have a lot of option to gamble, we just have to choose, we stay or leave.

[mindrust]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.
1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

No. KYC sucks.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

I don't feel safe even when I give my passport scan to the coin exchanges and binance is the only one that managed to collect this information. I wouldn't give anything to any online casino that's not different than posting your documents online.

[DoublerHunter]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?
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^ For the number 1 question, it will depend. It will depend on the KYC ask if that is through name and address and you can able to withdraw fund within an average user, then, I will go. But if that includes an ID verification or bill of proof and other documents that are hard for us to submit, then I will not use that gambling site. If you don't want to involve yourself in having KYC, there are too many gambling sites that did not ask for KYC verification. Why you need to force your self choosing a gambling site that heavily requires KYC verification. Move to other gambling sites if you don't like KYC.

[Fortify]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

I think you raise some good points and I personally would not feel comfortable with handing over personal documentation to most of these online crypto gambling sites. People should be very careful where they send their personal documents, because through either malice or incompetence (through insecurity leading to theft), they could be abused to steal your identity and commit further fraud against you. Most of the online gambling sites I know which accept Bitcoin like to keep themselves hidden behind shell companies, so it is a bit hypocritical at that point to ask players to identify themselves. I have much more faith in bookmakers and casinos regulated in my own country, than a random website which anyone could be controlling, so would stick with fiat deposits if KYC was required to play.

[Zilon]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

I rather gamble at fiat casino since I know it wouldn't require much KYC verification before withdrawal so I can save up myself some limitations both during deposit and withdrawal

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.

I just feel this could be the only benefit why KYC in crypto gambling could be considered mostly for internet fruadsters who would like to take advantage of people and deprive them of their hard earned asset.
Kyc verification can serve as medium from preventing a particular user from using an online platform if he/ she is in volved in fraudulent act

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

For a casino it depends although some registeredb online crypto-casino are safe when it comes to how the handle customer data and helps regulate who partake in each gambling session. I would say yes

[samcrypto]

I always hesitate to fill up KYC but most of the time it left me no choice so I have to fill-up the form and play on their gambling site, this is because I believe on their site and I want to experience their services. Some gambling site only ask for your personal details and didn't require any documents to prove your identity, that can be a good option to you if you don't want to submit KYC. I don't know if its safe but I really have to protect my accounts at all cost so I have to use all the possible security so they can't hack me, so far I'm still doing good even if I play and submit my KYC. I guess we all have different insights here about KYC in cryptogambling site.

[rodskee]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

KYC is part of how we respect the government and the system , when we let them have our details they allow them to learn about who we are and what we are.
This will effect a good relationship from us and the system.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

Not at all, maybe in some but majority? no way.

I have been playing in Roobet and Duelbits, when Roobet asks for KYC recently ,i automatically replied , and waiting if duelbits will do the same because  i will be gladly comply.

[danherbias07]

No and no.
There are a lot of casinos now that offers services without KYC. I think I'll just stick with it.
When we go to a physical casino, do they try and take out our information? No, they just took our money and change it to chips or however they use money in there and we go out the same way.
Trust is mostly the issue here but once they prove their legitimacy I think we don't really need that.
This forum is a good source to find out how good a crypto casino will be. Thanks to all the members sharing their experiences and also deep research by trusted people.

[Johnyz]

As much as possible I don’t want to fill-up the KYC not because I’m hiding something but simply because I want to protect my personal details that can be use into many forms of fraud even if you’re dealing with the best crypto gambling site. Cryptocurrency should give you the chance to stay anonymous, but since those gambling site are following the government regulations, they can’t help but to implement KYC, some gamblers left with no choice.

[Oasisman]

Well, no matter how secure you feel you are in a certain casino like bet365, the question still remains. Do your info safe with them? Of course the answer is still the same "No." Why? Just like what you just said, casinos are changing their staff from time to time, and so If someone attempts to do what you have in your example in the OP, then I guess you're not safe either.

However, choosing the most trusted casino is the wisest thing to do for a gambler. But fulfilling the KYC requirements is part of the risk gambling has possessed. May it be crypto or not, the risks remains the same.

[slapper]

1. Of course not. No way I would join an online casino that asks gamblers for KYC before withdrawing. Living in a data world makes me scared of what people might do with my KYC although I know that my information might be exploited somewhere in the darkweb and big companies like Google or Facebook. Thus, no place for KYC casino in my heart. We join an online casino with the same priorities: being able to gamble at home, being secured and being anonymous. In my country, strict rules are imposed on gambling so that anyone who is caught gambled will immediately go to jail. If my KYC is found relating to a gambling site, there will be no escape path for me. Such a hilarious that a third world country can have a good cyber police force

2. No safe at all, as mention above. Who knows what they will do with our precious information. In my country, eKYCs are being sold in the black market at a super cheap price for various purposes, even usury. My friend was once involving in a problem with the back because someone used his black loan without paying a shit. Now, he never gets a loan or even supports from the bank. His KYC is on the blacklist.

[virasog]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

I do not gamble at site which asks for KYC because i don't see any valid reason for a gambling site to ask for KYC. Luckily many old trusted casino and my favorite casinos do not require any KYC requirement. Some new gambling sites ask for them and i feel no confident sending my personal documents to relatively new casinos.

[tyz]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

I have written this here many times before. I would not do this. I play at crypto casinos because it usually doesn't require KYC, unlike most fiat casinos. KYC at crypto casinos are mostly applied just to cheat users out of their winnings. Most casinos are located on some Caribbean islands and are not fully legal themselves but require their users to do a KYC?

In addition, the safekeeping of a KYC's documents is not secured at all by such casinos, so that they can then suddenly be offered for sale somewhere on the darknet and your identity can be used for criminal business.

[Chato1977]

I will never agree in any site that will require me about KYC at any chance not unless this is for verification once i won Their jackpot 

but in the main objection KYC is our only support why we are here and staying , if those gambling site will take this from us then why we need to stay here.

[acroman08]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

if the KYC is mandatory no I won't but aren't most crypto casino's KYC optional? meaning they won't ask you for your information when you withdraw unless there is a reason for it. I've played on many crypto casinos but not once I have been asked for KYC if I decided to withdraw funds from their gambling site.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

No, even if it is bet365 or williamhill I wouldn't be comfortable giving out my information.

[ralle14]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

I'd say no for the same reasons you've mentioned there's so many options to choose from and most casinos offer the same games nowadays. When you've been using crypto casinos that doesn't require KYC there's not much reason to switch unless they're offering something better which can be the case on sportsbooks.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.

Banning the cheaters doesn't solve the issue entirely since the players can make tons of accounts

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

Nope, I remember reading a thread about a fiat sportsbook back then where most of their customer's account information got leaked. As much as possible i'd avoid KYC since casinos still have the rights to close or limit your account anytime, imagine creating an account and you get verified, then the next day they'd close your account.

[btc78]

It will be depend on the situation in my case, i have sent my KYC once in a gambling site claiming my  Event Winning and that is Year ago and yet ? i am safe and none sent me even an Email prior to that KYC sending.
or maybe the Site that i have sent is legit and professional ?
well that would be the basis for some of us to trust sites but of course More of them are stupid and really not to be trusted.

[xSkylarx]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

No, there are plenty of crypto-casino that don't require KYC as long as you are not withdrawing it directly in fiat. If that casino requires KYC and they are a new platform then think twice before submitting your info to them. Usually these websites offers some bonuses and once you won some decent amount and try to withdraw it they will ask for your personal information

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

Who would feel safe giving out their info online. You don't know if they are planning bad something about it and you just found out you did something illegal.

[Cling18]

Some gamblers are comfortable submitting and passing the KYC requirements but others prefer anonymity. Things will depend on your gambling site of choice. There are actually top gambling sites that won't ask for KYC or ask for any personal requirements from you. If you don't feel secure sending your personal details then get rid of casinos that ask for KYC.

[crzy]

Some gamblers are comfortable submitting and passing the KYC requirements but others prefer anonymity. Things will depend on your gambling site of choice. There are actually top gambling sites that won't ask for KYC or ask for any personal requirements from you. If you don't feel secure sending your personal details then get rid of casinos that ask for KYC.

I'm glad that we have a lot of good options when it comes to crypto gambling since most are still not requiring the gamblers to fill-up KYC. I saw some gambling site that suddenly require KYC without any announce, I know they are good gambling site but its too unprofessional to ask KYC all of a sudden. Anyway, I'm still neutral on KYC issues because I need to confirm first if its worth the risk before using a platform with KYC.

[stomachgrowls]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

No, this is why its always been ideal or recommended to read up terms and conditions first before making any deposit or else you would be fucked up when they do
asked out KYC when you do make out some withdrawals. As if you would have any other choice? unless if those are just small amounts and you can
afford on not to exchange your identity.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

Nothing is safe once you do give out your personal details or documents online no matter how trustworthy the platform is.So its up to someone

if they would comply on whats been asked and to think that there are lots of viable options to take because most of crypto gambling site
doesnt really ask out those personal information.

[imstillthebest]

i wont gamble on a casino if they require a kyc but i will do the same like you .
 i can make exception if the casino if fiat based because that is their number one requirements . i feel safe sending my kyc to a highly trusted casino like bet365 . they are profesional in handling kyc documents and can make sure that it wont leak easily

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.

if the cheater handed his kyc he will be arested and that will close the case but they are not dumb to do that . if they will gave a kyc it will be fake and not their real details

[iv4n]

Crypto casinos should be without KYC! Some freedom and anonymity are simply connected with the crypto ideas. But the reality is something else, and casinos that operate under some rules and regulations are in obligation to have KYC if they want to work! It all depends on the country where they work and the rules there!

Like all others, I had to give my documents here and there to be able to gamble or withdraw... generally I don't like it, and whenever I can I will avoid doing that! Currently, I am gambling in few casinos where we don't need KYC... and probably I will continue doing that, gambling on places where nobody asks for any documents!

[$crypto$]

[1] Actually I don't like it if there are crypto casinos that require KYC for withdrawals, if there are still other options from other sites then I will try them all the time so that I can find comfort while playing for me is the most important.
And still, not all crypto sites are fun in terms of appearance, sometimes we feel bored with what we face while playing, so I inevitably have to give it if it is the obligation of others.

[2] Safe and unsafe depends on my own beliefs and for me, of course I will choose which gambling platform I think is the most, so I will give an identity to be a necessity, well I will avoid it as much as possible but this will all be mandatory in the future regarding KYC.

[Shasha80]

It will be depend on the situation in my case, i have sent my KYC once in a gambling site claiming my  Event Winning and that is Year ago and yet ? i am safe and none sent me even an Email prior to that KYC sending.
or maybe the Site that i have sent is legit and professional ?
well that would be the basis for some of us to trust sites but of course More of them are stupid and really not to be trusted.

I also depend on the situation, if indeed I am lucky to get a very large profit when playing gambling. And the owner of the platform asked me to
carry out the KYC procedure to be able to withdraw the winning money I earned. I don't mind doing it, because crypto casinos do this to avoid
hackers and scammers. But if from the beginning the crypto casino enforced KYC, of course I object to that and choose not to use that crypto casino.

[adzino]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.
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Fiat casinos offer better services like what? I have heard people complaining about bet365 confiscating their funds. And I am sure "skrill" and "neteller" (never used them so don't know much about them) has KYC requirements since they deal with fiat currency. So you have to go through KYC either way if you wish to play with your bitcoin (by converting it to fiat). And not all crypto currencies were made to keep us anonymous. Bitcoin won't keep you anonymous.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?
My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

So "staffs" at bet365 or willamhill never changes? They won't blackmail you? Lol.

[panjul07]

I started my online gambling journey on fiat online casinos, so basically KYC is not something new for me since I did it few times in the past.
Since I joined crypto casinos few years back, I was so happy since I did not need to do any KYC in order to deposit-play-withdraw.
After few years (these days), crypto casinos and any other crypto related services started to ask KYC from their users.
Of course many crypto gamblers cant accept this but they cant do nothing.
There are only 2 choices: take it or leave it.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

Depends on the casinos, if it is a reputable one and has been operating for years without significant issues related to the KYC then I will still gamble.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

Our data will be always at risk once we upload it in any online services, including in your local goverment's services.

[maydna]

I don't want to play on the crypto casinos which apply KYC before withdraw because that will reveal my identity to them. It is just for playing gambling, and I don't think that we need to verify ourselves by sending our documents to the crypto casinos. But if that is for verifying the email address, I think we do not have to worry because we still not using our document to verify our account.

But perhaps, some people will be okay to verify their account by sending their documents, especially if they trust the crypto casino and they will not worry about anything. Crypto gambling can be play without having verification, and many crypto gambling doesn't need to fill KYC for their members, and I think that gambling site will have many members because that means, they can hide from the casino.

[robelneo]

You have a point here, but gamblers are more inclined now to play in casinos that are Cryptocurrency related, because of the fees and the potential double profit, from winning and from increasing the price of Cryptocurrency, and on KYC this is to make sure that they are paying to players who are not engaged to cheating, it's ok to do KYC if you are doing it to reputable casinos, it still goes down to user's preferences, the reality now is Cryptocurrency based casinos are now beating fiat-based casinos.

[uneng]

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

When a casino asks for documents it's because they have to follow this regulation to operate their casino services legally. If the situation you mentioned happens and a high roller start being blackmailed by a staff member, the gambler can contact the responsible authorities and they will go after the casino and deal with the issue properly. On the other hand, in some cases the high roller wants to hide his winnings from authorities and this fact can be used by the casino to take advantage of the situation. In this case the gambler can't do anything, because he is also wrong and the blackmailers know about it.

If the casino is regulated and KYC is needed, users must also use the regulations in their own favor.

[Reid]

I'd agree with wallet KYC's but never with online gambling sites.
It's one of the perks of using them and I'd very much like to let it stay that way.
I guess most of us would have the same opinion about it.

But, when it comes to withdrawal and a big portion of the money, maybe I'll be forced to do it. It won't hurt if it will be a one-time KYC but it would also cost them one customer as I would just look for a better site that won't let me do the same track.

[Joca97]

Honestly i wouldnt gamble in a crypto casino that asks me for KYC but if i got big cashout i guess i will have to give it.
But i prefer the ones that dont ask for it

[hahay]

Basically online gambling sites if they ask for KYC then of course I will leave. This applies to both about crypto and fiat online gambling, if you are still going to give your KYC on a famous fiat online gambling site but for me, when it comes to KYC in online gambling then of course they have the same goal regarding security and also, they can Just do the same thing like changing staff frequently so anything can still happen even if it's a famous gambling site. So, the answer to your two questions is NO, I never feel comfortable if KYC is required on all gambling sites.

[ReiMomo]

Honestly i wouldnt gamble in a crypto casino that asks me for KYC but if i got big cashout i guess i will have to give it.
But i prefer the ones that dont ask for it

That's it, even on my side and when I'm using cryptocurrencies to gamble. When is the word decentralized in cryptocurrency if there is a KYC thing upon using gambling sites. I guess the good thing is to disable the cryptocurrencies option upon withdrawal and deposit if there's a KYC verification on our account.

I'd rather stay away on that gambling site find another one, I guess not all gambling sites that impose KYC implementation on their users. No, I don't feel safe giving my identities to the sites that didn't have enough reputation to trust. As much as I have an option to choose another one, I'd better switch to another house to stay and play.

[Rengga Jati]

Actually,  it is quite hard to decide because doing KYC is very risky,  morever should involve our real identity nationality.  Personally,  I will prefer to non KYC platform.  Because it will not need to think about who we are playing that game or bet in the platform. 
About safe or not,  it will depend on the platform.  Most platforms will tell that they are secure,  but we cannot guarantee.  Besides,  they are real reputable and trusted platforms.

[Vaskiy]

Actually,  it is quite hard to decide because doing KYC is very risky,  morever should involve our real identity nationality.  Personally,  I will prefer to non KYC platform.  Because it will not need to think about who we are playing that game or bet in the platform. 
About safe or not,  it will depend on the platform.  Most platforms will tell that they are secure,  but we cannot guarantee.  Besides,  they are real reputable and trusted platforms.

As stated in the post, it all depends on the reputation and the trust of that particular platform. If it is a new site, surely I'll think of giving KYC. Data gathering is a big business, even our data can get shared. I've seen different gambling sites getting launched with perfect functioning and gets ended within few weeks time. Those sites might've made money through the collected data.

[Mahanton]

Actually,  it is quite hard to decide because doing KYC is very risky,  morever should involve our real identity nationality.  Personally,  I will prefer to non KYC platform.  Because it will not need to think about who we are playing that game or bet in the platform. 
About safe or not,  it will depend on the platform.  Most platforms will tell that they are secure,  but we cannot guarantee.  Besides,  they are real reputable and trusted platforms.

As stated in the post, it all depends on the reputation and the trust of that particular platform. If it is a new site, surely I'll think of giving KYC. Data gathering is a big business, even our data can get shared. I've seen different gambling sites getting launched with perfect functioning and gets ended within few weeks time. Those sites might've made money through the collected data.

We can eventually spot out which site is a legit one and which one is just trying to scam out or shady basing on the website performance alone when we do try to look
in terms of website design, functionality, games offered and how the management do handle out community queries.We would really be able to tell the difference
if they are really running some serious business or just showing off some obvious movements that they are just trying to accumulate out personal information.
People would really always have bad impressions about kyc at first launched where this do totally opposes on why we are here on crypto space.

[Joca97]

Honestly i wouldnt gamble in a crypto casino that asks me for KYC but if i got big cashout i guess i will have to give it.
But i prefer the ones that dont ask for it

That's it, even on my side and when I'm using cryptocurrencies to gamble. When is the word decentralized in cryptocurrency if there is a KYC thing upon using gambling sites. I guess the good thing is to disable the cryptocurrencies option upon withdrawal and deposit if there's a KYC verification on our account.

I'd rather stay away on that gambling site find another one, I guess not all gambling sites that impose KYC implementation on their users. No, I don't feel safe giving my identities to the sites that didn't have enough reputation to trust. As much as I have an option to choose another one, I'd better switch to another house to stay and play.

So far betting on sportsbet a lot they still didnt ask me for any sort of verifaction. Betting on that sportsbook from day 1 and didnt have any problems at all. With nitrogensports as well. Roobet now asked me for my country and those stuff few days ago

[AmoreJaz]

Actually,  it is quite hard to decide because doing KYC is very risky,  morever should involve our real identity nationality.  Personally,  I will prefer to non KYC platform.  Because it will not need to think about who we are playing that game or bet in the platform.  
About safe or not,  it will depend on the platform.  Most platforms will tell that they are secure,  but we cannot guarantee.  Besides,  they are real reputable and trusted platforms.

so for those gamblers who prefer not to undergo KYC, why not play in reputable casinos here? a lot of them don't require KYC unless you are a big whale. so before sending large amount of money, make sure that you read their ToS.
on my end, i prefer not to play on a casino that will require KYC before withdrawal. you are already playing in a crypto casino, so why play in a kyc-required casino? it is just the same as you are playing in a fiat-based casino.
in all honesty, i don't feel safe and secure sending my docs to unknown owners. we don't know the people behind in almost all casinos here and what possibly they can do to our data. we are only relying on their built reputation. i prefer not to send my docs as much as possible.

[passwordnow]

Majority of us would say that it's a no when a casino asks for a KYC before the withdrawal. Well, if the situation is justifiable by the casino and they have a valid reason why they've done that to you or to me then probably that's just for the sake of withdrawal and then I won't gamble there anymore. But why would we gamble to a casino if they're mandatory going to ask for KYC even if you're not doing anything wrong. We don't like that type of casino and we feel unsafe sending our identities to them.

[magneto]

The answer to both of these questions is no.

I personally think that one of the main advantages that a crypto casino has over traditional ones is the fact that it offers KYC-free play. I simply do not see any reason to use them anymore if they were to also start verifying their users' identities for withdrawals. That is potentially deceptive and sites can even leverage that to hold onto user funds.

To address the second question, theoretically as long as the casino is regulated and registered it shouldn't matter. But that is almost never the case in the cryptospace and I'd rather not have my personal information out there for a random anonymous operator to see and use.

[Ryker1]

^[snip]
so for those gamblers who prefer not to undergo KYC, why not play in reputable casinos here?

Well, I know different gamblers have a different perspective of the way in choosing the right gambling site, some of them are afraid of KYC but there are some willing to undergo KYC or it is never minded to them. Perhaps this is a part of what we called, ^{[reputable gambling site]}, once we said reputable, it also regulated by the law, and of course, they have a license to operate and also regulated as well. What if KYC is one of their requirements to achieve their goals to becomes the most reputable gambling site, perhaps they will accept it and follow the law. However, there is nothing to worry about if someday all gambling will have this KYC implementation.

[Silberman]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

It depends, I mean if the casino is going to ask for my KYC information no matter what then I will simply avoid it and play in another casino with a reputation that is as good but that does not ask for KYC, however if I won a lot of money then I will take the bullet and accept going through it in order to receive my payment.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My feelings are irrelevant, what matters is what reputation the casino has, this is why I never bother with casinos with bad reputation as it will be a huge mistake to share your personal information with them.

[dunfida]

^[snip]
so for those gamblers who prefer not to undergo KYC, why not play in reputable casinos here?

Well, I know different gamblers have a different perspective of the way in choosing the right gambling site, some of them are afraid of KYC but there are some willing to undergo KYC or it is never minded to them. Perhaps this is a part of what we called, ^{[reputable gambling site]}, once we said reputable, it also regulated by the law, and of course, they have a license to operate and also regulated as well. What if KYC is one of their requirements to achieve their goals to becomes the most reputable gambling site, perhaps they will accept it and follow the law. However, there is nothing to worry about if someday all gambling will have this KYC implementation.

Majority is afraid with KYC and this is why gambling sites become popular on this forum because of decentralization where you can play without giving off your personal information unlike
into those typical fiat ones that we know.So regarding on the question about this? Of course we dont want those KYC to be implemented but since these businesses are regulated
then you would really be expecting something like this where government would really take involve and impose some restrictions and requirements for these businesses
to follow on.

[smyslov]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

You have a point but why play on a lesser-known casino, if you are a high roller play only on casinos that you can trust and you believe can protect your identity, in case they violate it you can charge them and they risk losing their license, KYC is risky but his is something you have to agree because it's one of the ways that gambling casinos are doing to protect themselves and to make sure that all their players are playing wth the rules they laid out.

[ene1980]

Mostly everyone here usually avoids casino who ask for mandatory KYC and then there are some casinos who asks to verify when you win big and i am skeptical about those casinos as well because they might be looking for ways to avoid paying the winner and we have seen many complaints here in the forum regarding that as they will target on the technicalities about banned countries and so on to avoid giving out the wins. I usually avoid those kind of casinos as well as it is better to inform the users about their general practice whether they will enforce or not before depositing the money.

[Twinkledoe]

Mostly everyone here usually avoids casino who ask for mandatory KYC and then there are some casinos who asks to verify when you win big and i am skeptical about those casinos as well because they might be looking for ways to avoid paying the winner and we have seen many complaints here in the forum regarding that as they will target on the technicalities about banned countries and so on to avoid giving out the wins. I usually avoid those kind of casinos as well as it is better to inform the users about their general practice whether they will enforce or not before depositing the money.

Since I am just a small time gambler, I guess, I won't have any problem with that.  But for those casinos that suddenly ask KYC because the player wins big, and it is not stated in their ToS that they will require KYC, then more than likely, they are just finding reasons on not to pay the player. So it is always better to play in the known and reputable casinos in the forum. You know, you will not be screwed as there are known users here in the forum that will willingly help you out with the situation.

[Hamphser]

Mostly everyone here usually avoids casino who ask for mandatory KYC and then there are some casinos who asks to verify when you win big and i am skeptical about those casinos as well because they might be looking for ways to avoid paying the winner and we have seen many complaints here in the forum regarding that as they will target on the technicalities about banned countries and so on to avoid giving out the wins. I usually avoid those kind of casinos as well as it is better to inform the users about their general practice whether they will enforce or not before depositing the money.

Since I am just a small time gambler, I guess, I won't have any problem with that.  But for those casinos that suddenly ask KYC because the player wins big, and it is not stated in their ToS that they will require KYC, then more than likely, they are just finding reasons on not to pay the player. So it is always better to play in the known and reputable casinos in the forum. You know, you will not be screwed as there are known users here in the forum that will willingly help you out with the situation.

Therefore, you shouldnt really play into those casinos which arent really popular so that you would able to avoid it in case you do win big but ive seen several sites now which does pay big winnings
no matter how big it is but they dont ask out any KYC or strings attached which is impressive.

But just like what others been saying that as regulations gets strict then you would really see these kind of changes in future years to come.
It isnt really that appealing but they dont have choice.

[tabas]

We don't have to settle for those casinos that gets to ask us for a KYC.

But just like what others been saying that as regulations gets strict then you would really see these kind of changes in future years to come.
It isnt really that appealing but they dont have choice.

We might not have a choice if they do that but we have a choice to choose another plaform that don't ask that much and we're free to deposit and withdraw anytime without being asked for a kyc.

[lienfaye]

Honestly i wouldnt gamble in a crypto casino that asks me for KYC but if i got big cashout i guess i will have to give it.
But i prefer the ones that dont ask for it

I also prefer to gamble in casinos that not asking for kyc, and its our right to refuse if we dont feel to abide and want to remain anonymous while playing. However there's an exception and that is if we have a big amount to cashout (just like what you've said) its necessary so I guess there's no choice but to comply.

Nevertheless we have an option on where to gamble thus if you're not into kyc then choose a casinos that are not asking for it since many of them still has no such regulatory requirement.

[MCobian]

From all the comments in this thread, almost everyone does not agree that crypto casino enforces KYC. But fortunately almost all crypto casinos
that I actively use now don't enforce KYC, because it is not comfortable to use a gambling platform that enforces KYC. I was also going to register
on the new gambling platforms and was required to submit some personal information, I immediately changed my mind and decided not to join
that gambling platforms.

[Fundamentals Of]

I don't play at any crypto casino which asks for KYC upon withdrawal. But it is also a reality that even my favorite casinos that do not ask for KYC could also demand for it anytime. There is always a clause in their terms and conditions that KYC may be required from any customer if suspicious activities are observed.

I don't feel safe giving away KYC information to crypto casinos. I know that personal information will be handled properly and securely but we never know when a leak or a hack would occur.

[xSkylarx]

From all the comments in this thread, almost everyone does not agree that crypto casino enforces KYC. But fortunately almost all crypto casinos
that I actively use now don't enforce KYC, because it is not comfortable to use a gambling platform that enforces KYC. I was also going to register
on the new gambling platforms and was required to submit some personal information, I immediately changed my mind and decided not to join
that gambling platforms.

It is obvious that these new gambling websites have bad motives to their users. If they really want to compete with the popular gambling platforms, they won't require KYC. I just wonder now if people still comply with the KYC of those new platforms because they often give bonuses to their new users as a way to attract them. For me as long as there are trusted gambling platforms that doesn't require KYC then I would definitely avoid these new platforms that are asking for personal information.

[Wexnident]

From all the comments in this thread, almost everyone does not agree that crypto casino enforces KYC. But fortunately almost all crypto casinos
that I actively use now don't enforce KYC, because it is not comfortable to use a gambling platform that enforces KYC. I was also going to register
on the new gambling platforms and was required to submit some personal information, I immediately changed my mind and decided not to join
that gambling platforms.

Might be because the amount you're betting is still small. Most casinos would actively ask for KYC when you go past a certain amount at times, plus, afaik there are also casinos where you can directly buy funds from their site using your card, so that's still technically you giving out your own details to their site. Easily avoidable if you only play small-time, kind of a pain to avoid if you're a big player. There are also instances where you get connected via your names though, but that's mostly just the work of someone stalking you really hard.

[Reatim]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.


1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

If i find that casino Great and legit? then i will play but with Small amount at a time because i am afraid of being asked for KYC once i win big time since this is all the issue every time .

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.

Sometimes They cannot just banned the account because most reason of cheating is having multiple account and asking KYC will answer what they wanna look at.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

I'm totally disagree.. I played in crypto gambling because of anonymity and asking this from me will break that essence .

[STT]

I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

I thought KYC might be standardized years ago but still now it appears to be every site does this individually.   Some might fear KYC but I would not expect the user themselves to be held responcible for a failure in a system, clearly any scanned documents should be watermarked to stop them easily being passed round.

[ralle14]

It is obvious that these new gambling websites have bad motives to their users. If they really want to compete with the popular gambling platforms, they won't require KYC. I just wonder now if people still comply with the KYC of those new platforms because they often give bonuses to their new users as a way to attract them. For me as long as there are trusted gambling platforms that doesn't require KYC then I would definitely avoid these new platforms that are asking for personal information.

It's hard to assume that most newly launched sites in general have bad motives just because there's KYC, even without KYC it's still not enough to make any gambling site successful since there's so many reputable casinos already. If you look at it in a different perspective maybe they're just trying their best to stop abusers and cheaters since this is one of the main problems on most gambling sites that doesn't have KYC.

[Bitinity]

I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

I thought KYC might be standardized years ago but still now it appears to be every site does this individually.   Some might fear KYC but I would not expect the user themselves to be held responcible for a failure in a system, clearly any scanned documents should be watermarked to stop them easily being passed round.

It is just a matter of time when KYC will be a mandatory thing in crypto casinos in the future. Once it comes to regulation (government or license),  casinos wont be able to avoid it and they should follow the regulation if they want to continue the services. It is obvious that not all people are welcome with KYC so it is our own choice.

[Mauser]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?




2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

In short my answer is Yes for both questions. As for 1 - I think it became standard practice in todays world to have to use KYC. Gambling online for a few years now, and played online poker for probably 10 years, and had to always do KYC verfications. It is just a protection for the casinos since they are giving away a lot of money through their bonuses  - like 100-200% deposit bonus. As for 2 - It depends on the casino, if it is a casinos who has been around for many years, then I totally feel comfortable to give away my infortmation. But if it is a completely new casinos without a track record, then I will do some research online for some reviews and see if it is really legit and if they don't will missuse our data.

[acener]

I know that it is important to filter their gamblers and keep the business running.
They need to know if their gamblers are in legal age to use their site.
But it is hard to send those sensitive or personal information to random site so it would depend on how I trust them,
If they have a good background and partnership then why not,
But if their new and doesn't have any background then it would be hard to trust them.

[plr]

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

I'm not a whale and I'm not playing daily, I also don't like KYC even on airdrops or bounty campaigns I don't do KYC but if you happen to win a big amount I don't think you have a choice to say no, or you will lose your opportunity to cash out your earnings, it's either you do it or do not play big money and avoid winning big.

[qwertyup23]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

This depends on the casino on where I am betting.

Generally, I would avoid casinos that ask for KYC documents primarily due to security and privacy reasons. The fact that one establishment has your personal records (i.e. addresses, names, etc.) puts you in a position where you risk your daily life knowing that they know your address. Metaphorically speaking, it's like there is a sword of Damocles hanging on to you.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

This would be my exception to providing my KYC to certain casinos.

In adherence to my previous answer, the reason on why I avoid KYC is due to privacy and security reasons. But if the casino is relatively famous and well-known among the online world, then I would feel less terrified and nervous. Although such fact alone may still put you at risk, the fact that you gamble online already puts you in that kind of situation.

[Beparanf]

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

I'm not a whale and I'm not playing daily, I also don't like KYC even on airdrops or bounty campaigns I don't do KYC but if you happen to win a big amount I don't think you have a choice to say no, or you will lose your opportunity to cash out your earnings, it's either you do it or do not play big money and avoid winning big.

This is the common problem of gamblers especially for those who are cautious on giving out there identity due to there personal reason. Casino are hostaging the jackpot money and ask for a KYC but most of this scenario was never become successful because casino don't want to give money to players and they are just using KYC as an excuse for not giving it.

[Stalker22]

I think it is a case-by-case situation. While I generally dislike KYC procedures and don't want to disclose my personal information unless absolutely necessary, many online services require it nowadays.
Many have already pointed out the importance of trust.  As long as a casino is regulated and well known and has established trust among the community, I feel somewhat comfortable providing my KYC documents. It's important to do your own research and determine if the risk is worthwhile.

[OgNasty]

I’m hesitant to use any service that asks for KYC rules to be met. Mostly because privacy is something that can be taken less serious by some people and security loopholes are often found by those trying to exploit a lot of information held insecurely in one spot. Many crypto operations don’t make their owners known easily, so it’s hard to rely on their security practices for your sensitive information.

[pilosopotasyo]

It's a bitter pill to swallow you have a good point you win a big amount of money but you will end up sending who you are and where you live and you are exposed unless they have a license and bounty by strict rules and regulations about customers data you will be ok, so it's very important to only pick the right casino to play, it's for your own good and safety too.

[Saisher]

From all the comments in this thread, almost everyone does not agree that crypto casino enforces KYC. But fortunately almost all crypto casinos
that I actively use now don't enforce KYC, because it is not comfortable to use a gambling platform that enforces KYC. I was also going to register
on the new gambling platforms and was required to submit some personal information, I immediately changed my mind and decided not to join
that gambling platforms.

it's really for your own good if you choose the gambling sites that are not asking a KYC there are many gambling sites to choose from and some of them are not asking, but be careful still they may not ask if you are playing but may do so when you are withdrawing a big amount, and they can always change or circumvent their own rules in their favor.

[BITCOIN4X]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

Yes, but it depend on the reputation the casino has. But on several occasion, I tried to stay away as much as possible.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

Of course not, although a casino can be trusted due to its reputation, there is no guarantee that a user's identity will never be leaked in the future. KYC is one system that is still being discussed between the pro and con. Some people may agree because on the other hand KYC can prevent fraud and illegal acts, while others still care so much about privacy that they will distance themselve from platform that require KYC.

[michellee]

We have our choice, whether playing gambling on the casino which applies KYC or not and we will have our favorite casino to playing gambling. But for me, I do not want to play on the casino, which applies KYC because that means, I need to verify myself before I can withdraw. I don't need to verify my account as I do not play gambling too often, and I do not use gambling to make money. If you are a high roller and already sent a document to the casino, you need to be careful as the casino can do anything with your document.

[Poker Player]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

No. I mainly play poker and the crypto poker offer does not appeal to me. If on top of that I had to go through a KYC process even less.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

Well, kinda. As someone has pointed out before, in a hypothetical situation, that I had to provide my data if it were a casino with a long history and a great reputation I might feel somewhat safe.

[kryptqnick]

The KYC question is difficult. The documents are checked by professional companies that specialize in KYC checks rather than by casinos (although things can be different at different places, of course). I wouldn't feel very inclined to share my identity online like that, but there's also a bigger problem with KYC that I've learned recently. A friend of mine got a KYC check at a crypto casino, and I was helping him pass it because he didn't manage to do it on his own. And we couldn't get is right together either, even though we had all documents in place and did our best! You load an ID, and then a utility bill. At first, it says that it's all uploaded successfully, and then tells you that your utility bill image is not clear enough (even though it's a high-quality photo). And then the next time you're loading that same ID photo, but a different utility bill where the address is typed in with larger letters, but now it says that the ID birthdate doesn't correspond to the information you've previously provided, even though it totally does correspond and the website had no problem with the same photo during the previous try. So passing a KYC, as I've learned from this experience, can also take a long time and become a really difficult process, even if you provide truthful and real documents.

[MCobian]

From all the comments in this thread, almost everyone does not agree that crypto casino enforces KYC. But fortunately almost all crypto casinos
that I actively use now don't enforce KYC, because it is not comfortable to use a gambling platform that enforces KYC. I was also going to register
on the new gambling platforms and was required to submit some personal information, I immediately changed my mind and decided not to join
that gambling platforms.

it's really for your own good if you choose the gambling sites that are not asking a KYC there are many gambling sites to choose from and some of them are not asking, but be careful still they may not ask if you are playing but may do so when you are withdrawing a big amount, and they can always change or circumvent their own rules in their favor.

Sometimes some gambling platforms don't require KYC when we first register, but when we win in large numbers. Suddenly we are asked to verify
KYC first to be able to withdraw the winnings. But we can't do anything if that happens, because we need the winning money and the owners of
the gambling platforms are free to enforce the rules they want. So there is no other choice but to do KYC as the gambling platforms want.

[Twinkledoe]

From all the comments in this thread, almost everyone does not agree that crypto casino enforces KYC. But fortunately almost all crypto casinos
that I actively use now don't enforce KYC, because it is not comfortable to use a gambling platform that enforces KYC. I was also going to register
on the new gambling platforms and was required to submit some personal information, I immediately changed my mind and decided not to join
that gambling platforms.

it's really for your own good if you choose the gambling sites that are not asking a KYC there are many gambling sites to choose from and some of them are not asking, but be careful still they may not ask if you are playing but may do so when you are withdrawing a big amount, and they can always change or circumvent their own rules in their favor.

Sometimes some gambling platforms don't require KYC when we first register, but when we win in large numbers. Suddenly we are asked to verify
KYC first to be able to withdraw the winnings. But we can't do anything if that happens, because we need the winning money and the owners of
the gambling platforms are free to enforce the rules they want. So there is no other choice but to do KYC as the gambling platforms want.

Some casinos will do that in order to avoid paying the high amount to the player. They will find a way how to stall the payment, this is why, it is better to play in reputable casinos in the forum. Because if something goes awry and you know you are not violating any of their ToS, members from here will help you out in your situation. This is why, if you stick in the casinos that you can find here, the likelihood of resolving your complaint is high.

[robelneo]

Sometimes some gambling platforms don't require KYC when we first register, but when we win in large numbers. Suddenly we are asked to verify
KYC first to be able to withdraw the winnings. But we can't do anything if that happens, because we need the winning money and the owners of
the gambling platforms are free to enforce the rules they want. So there is no other choice but to do KYC as the gambling platforms want.

This is not new in fact there are a lot of reports in the scam section about changing the rules from no KYC to KYC this is something that gamblers should expect to happen, if you are not ready for this then don't play a huge amount of money, I noticed only those with big wagers and withdrawals are asked for KYC, many gambling sites are in a habit of changing their rules regarding KYC so it's better to be updated on changing their rules you can always change or shift to other gambling sites anytime.

[fiulpro]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

See all of this it actually depends where you are giving out the KYC. For example:-
1. If a casino that I am very familiar with and is also active on the forum decides they are going to make it more secure using the KYC, I would not deny it.
2. If a casino is new and not much is known about it then I would actually try and play at some other casino.
3. See there are casinos which actually provide people to just sign up and you are done ! So if am in a hurry I would just go and use those kinds of casinos.
4. I highly think that the employee would not hunt you down until and unless it is a local casino. Most of them are owned by people all around the world and at the same time licensed by the government of Curacao and they won't really travel all around the world to just come and do a possible theft. They would indeed need a lot of money for it.
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[Lorence.xD]

With casinos, as well as with the exchanges, sometimes happens similar KYC requirements, for some reason necessarily after trying to withdraw funds! And until then you could safely make deposits! I consider it a scam, and leave such sites! Who knows where your data and documents can get then!

Well, why worry about that when your government already sold your data to companies without your consent so I don't think that it would matter if they have KYC, most of the time, these KYC aren't that demanding.

[Pamadar]

As much as possible I don’t want to fill-up the KYC not because I’m hiding something but simply because I want to protect my personal details that can be use into many forms of fraud even if you’re dealing with the best crypto gambling site.

I also feel the same, I'm not comfortable providing my personal information, though I'm not that heavy gamers'
just playing using some small spare and enjoy.

Cryptocurrency should give you the chance to stay anonymous, but since those gambling site are following the government regulations, they can’t help but to implement KYC, some gamblers left with no choice.

For those who use big amount of money, they are require to complete this KYC as government requires every business
to provide this information, else, they can level them doing illegal things such money laundering.

[dimonstration]

With casinos, as well as with the exchanges, sometimes happens similar KYC requirements, for some reason necessarily after trying to withdraw funds! And until then you could safely make deposits! I consider it a scam, and leave such sites! Who knows where your data and documents can get then!

Well, why worry about that when your government already sold your data to companies without your consent so I don't think that it would matter if they have KYC, most of the time, these KYC aren't that demanding.

Kyc seems normal nowadays but we need to double check what website we are doing it. Kyc were required now in many countries to provide details if their customer for the business permits in whenever country that casino or exchanges staying, as long as we know that the website or casino is legit and have names to take care eith then having KYC is not really a problem.

[TimeTeller]

With casinos, as well as with the exchanges, sometimes happens similar KYC requirements, for some reason necessarily after trying to withdraw funds! And until then you could safely make deposits! I consider it a scam, and leave such sites! Who knows where your data and documents can get then!

Well, why worry about that when your government already sold your data to companies without your consent so I don't think that it would matter if they have KYC, most of the time, these KYC aren't that demanding.

Kyc seems normal nowadays but we need to double check what website we are doing it. Kyc were required now in many countries to provide details if their customer for the business permits in whenever country that casino or exchanges staying, as long as we know that the website or casino is legit and have names to take care eith then having KYC is not really a problem.

And in terms of crypto casinos, it is better to trust your funds from the casinos that can be found here in the forum.
There are several of them that are really trustworthy and you know that you will have no problem reaching out to their team.
If in case they require KYC, only trust your details to few sites that you know are totally legit and authentic.
And usually, most top casinos here don't require KYC, unless you are a big whale and you surpass their min limits.

[dunfida]

With casinos, as well as with the exchanges, sometimes happens similar KYC requirements, for some reason necessarily after trying to withdraw funds! And until then you could safely make deposits! I consider it a scam, and leave such sites! Who knows where your data and documents can get then!

Well, why worry about that when your government already sold your data to companies without your consent so I don't think that it would matter if they have KYC, most of the time, these KYC aren't that demanding.

Kyc seems normal nowadays but we need to double check what website we are doing it. Kyc were required now in many countries to provide details if their customer for the business permits in whenever country that casino or exchanges staying, as long as we know that the website or casino is legit and have names to take care eith then having KYC is not really a problem.

All matters with trust but even into those reputable or known websites or companies out there we cant still give out 100% assurance that those information we sent out is totally safe.

Always mind off about the probabilities of those information to be leaked or somewhat exposed off but if there nothing you should hide then why would worry off?

Lots had been giving out value into their identity which is understandable but there are times which we make ourselves way too paranoid.

[Lorence.xD]

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Kyc seems normal nowadays but we need to double check what website we are doing it. Kyc were required now in many countries to provide details if their customer for the business permits in whenever country that casino or exchanges staying, as long as we know that the website or casino is legit and have names to take care eith then having KYC is not really a problem.

Being careful should be a given thing when you are providing a KYC to a website because if you aren't then you will probably be a victim of stolen identity because you aren't careful as to which site you are giving your personal information.

[madnessteat]

I have a negative attitude towards KYC as lately our personal information is being stolen and used without our consent. In addition, I don't think any gambling provider can ensure 100% security of our personal data. No one knows what their leaks could lead to. I am in favour of giving my personal information and allowing it to be processed and stored only in exceptional cases.

[michellee]

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Kyc seems normal nowadays but we need to double check what website we are doing it. Kyc were required now in many countries to provide details if their customer for the business permits in whenever country that casino or exchanges staying, as long as we know that the website or casino is legit and have names to take care eith then having KYC is not really a problem.

Being careful should be a given thing when you are providing a KYC to a website because if you aren't then you will probably be a victim of stolen identity because you aren't careful as to which site you are giving your personal information.

It is better if the website does not need us to fills KYC as we want to keep our documents in our hands. I am sure many casinos will still protect their members' identification by not applying KYC for them because the crypto casino knows that anonymity will be important for people who use crypto. We need to be careful to handle our document and not verify our account or send the document to the suspicious website as we do not know if they can take care of our document or use it for their benefits.

[TheNineClub]

Seeing as this is a question about KYC I would recommend everyone, that hasn't already, to check out the fantastic post 1miau made about the dangers of KYC. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497. It could make you think twice about casinos that use KYC so inform yourself before you make any decision that could hurt you in the long run.

[Ucy]

Cryptocurrency anonymity may not prevent a betting site from verifying your identify or having public key to your decentralized private identity. You can continue to be anonymous after they've been able to safely link your activities to a decentralized/p2p ID.
I think we need the right kind of kyc and anonymity in Crypto space. It has to be safe "Kyc" and Anonymity. Things has to be done better and uniquely in the space. They could invest in a Decentralized I.D system rather than use the risky centralized method. Their unique solution will make their business more attractive to those who want something better and safer than what traditional betting sites offer.





* Bet, but don't Gamble. Wish you Safe Bet!

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

I can respect some casino who adding required KYC before using their service. most likely about money laundry and legality for their customer. as we know some casino restricted some area for using their services. they didnt want their legality had problem because they didnt even know who using their service before hand . and also KYC in most gambling platform only formalities and they wont making harder registration for their new user.

[mu_enrico]

Loose KYC policy + cryptocurrency support seems an excellent combination. I'd go to reputable mainstream online casinos if I want to play with KYC, not Curacao licensed crypto casinos.

I can respect some casino who adding required KYC before using their service.

True, it's better they ask KYC before any deposit. It's not funny when they ask KYC when we won and want to withdraw the money.

If they have tiered KYC levels, such as LV.1 -> phone number, name, etc. without asking users to upload documents and selfies, that would be nice.

[madnessteat]

If they have tiered KYC levels, such as LV.1 -> phone number, name, etc. without asking users to upload documents and selfies, that would be nice.

In many countries, such as in Russia, it was until recently possible to buy SIM cards which were not registered to a specific person. They were not even sold on the black market, but on regular public marketplaces in huge quantities.

I don't think that passing the first level makes any sense for a gambling site.

[Silberman]

We don't have to settle for those casinos that gets to ask us for a KYC.

But just like what others been saying that as regulations gets strict then you would really see these kind of changes in future years to come.
It isnt really that appealing but they dont have choice.

We might not have a choice if they do that but we have a choice to choose another plaform that don't ask that much and we're free to deposit and withdraw anytime without being asked for a kyc.

That is the great thing about the market of cryptocurrencies, just because a big casino forces you to go through KYC no matter what that does not mean that you need to accept it, you can vote with your money and move to another casino that is more flexible on the way they do things and that care about your right to have some privacy and gamble with them, now there are people in this market that do not care about that in which case they have more options than us but at least to me my privacy is important and I am never going to sacrifice it.

[tabas]

We might not have a choice if they do that but we have a choice to choose another platform that don't ask that much and we're free to deposit and withdraw anytime without being asked for a kyc.

That is the great thing about the market of cryptocurrencies, just because a big casino forces you to go through KYC no matter what that does not mean that you need to accept it, you can vote with your money and move to another casino that is more flexible on the way they do things and that care about your right to have some privacy and gamble with them, now there are people in this market that do not care about that in which case they have more options than us but at least to me my privacy is important and I am never going to sacrifice it.

Yes, this is the flexibility that we have in cryptocurrencies. Many casinos are accepting already payments in bitcoin and other cryptos they prefer that's why the competition for them is tough and having loyal gamblers is becoming harder if they don't serve well and don't give the best experience a gambler can have. Majority of us do care about privacy and that's why when a casino asks us that, we're leaving after getting the balance that we have there.

[Wawa2013]

We might not have a choice if they do that but we have a choice to choose another platform that don't ask that much and we're free to deposit and withdraw anytime without being asked for a kyc.

That is the great thing about the market of cryptocurrencies, just because a big casino forces you to go through KYC no matter what that does not mean that you need to accept it, you can vote with your money and move to another casino that is more flexible on the way they do things and that care about your right to have some privacy and gamble with them, now there are people in this market that do not care about that in which case they have more options than us but at least to me my privacy is important and I am never going to sacrifice it.

Yes, this is the flexibility that we have in cryptocurrencies. Many casinos are accepting already payments in bitcoin and other cryptos they prefer that's why the competition for them is tough and having loyal gamblers is becoming harder if they don't serve well and don't give the best experience a gambler can have. Majority of us do care about privacy and that's why when a casino asks us that, we're leaving after getting the balance that we have there.

I also believe online casino owners understand that the competition in online gambling is getting tougher, because there are so many new
gambling platforms now emerging. And provide the best possible service to its users, therefore I am sure that only a small number of
gambling platforms force their users to perform KYC procedures. Because online casino owners realize that many gamblers consider privacy
in the online world to be very important. So if we are going to register on gambling sites and ask for KYC verification, we can leave the gambling
site and choose another gambling site, because there are so many nowadays good gambling sites and care for their users.

[zanezane]

I can respect some casino who adding required KYC before using their service. most likely about money laundry and legality for their customer. as we know some casino restricted some area for using their services. they didnt want their legality had problem because they didnt even know who using their service before hand . and also KYC in most gambling platform only formalities and they wont making harder registration for their new user.

I mean that would be the least that you can do when you are doing business, complying with the rules and laws that govern your business. I like the idea of KYC because it helps you not become a suspect of something bad in the casino because you know that you won't do wrong because they have your identification.

[Pamadar]

I can respect some casino who adding required KYC before using their service. most likely about money laundry and legality for their customer. as we know some casino restricted some area for using their services. they didnt want their legality had problem because they didnt even know who using their service before hand . and also KYC in most gambling platform only formalities and they wont making harder registration for their new user.

I mean that would be the least that you can do when you are doing business, complying with the rules and laws that govern your business. I like the idea of KYC because it helps you not become a suspect of something bad in the casino because you know that you won't do wrong because they have your identification.

Not exactly like that, still if the casino see some suspicious actions from your account,

even you have your KYC they can still interfere and prevent your from dealing with the house, freezing your capailities whenver they see something that they've suspecting to be illegal, but yes, in some other point having completely validated gives you some comfort not being
hot from the eyes of the house owners as long as there's no problem while you are using their service.

[emersonlogan62]

I can respect some casino who adding required KYC before using their service. most likely about money laundry and legality for their customer. as we know some casino restricted some area for using their services. they didnt want their legality had problem because they didnt even know who using their service before hand . and also KYC in most gambling platform only formalities and they wont making harder registration for their new user.

I mean that would be the least that you can do when you are doing business, complying with the rules and laws that govern your business. I like the idea of KYC because it helps you not become a suspect of something bad in the casino because you know that you won't do wrong because they have your identification.

But doing KYC also means that you are now publicly known and you are no longer unknown or anonymous. If you win a huge amount and you don't want to inform your local authorities then the casino will do that for you and you will be forced to pay taxes.

I think the idea of KYC should be forced to players who are cheaters or in some way are believed to be connected with money laundering or have cheated the gambling site in any way possible. Without a strong reason KYC should not be done.

[zanezane]

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Not exactly like that, still if the casino see some suspicious actions from your account,

even you have your KYC they can still interfere and prevent your from dealing with the house, freezing your capailities whenver they see something that they've suspecting to be illegal, but yes, in some other point having completely validated gives you some comfort not being
hot from the eyes of the house owners as long as there's no problem while you are using their service.

Even if that were to happen, at the least you are likely to be suspected and have your account suspended and if it ever comes to that, you can say that you have submitted your identification and hopefully could help with the suspension of the account.

[kotajikikox]

There is Only one place that i did give my KYC for a gambling site and that is my Company that had been entrusted my details , Roobet.com mate.

Other than this will never win my KYC , i have been asked twice by a casino that i use to play in past but after that ? i leave them and even let them had my remaining deposits.

* Bet, but don't Gamble. Wish you Safe Bet!

The very moment that you put your bet, then that is already a Gamble so please Stop posting in gambling section when you are one of the Haters of gambling.

Please don't do this just for you to Get Bonus in your Weekly payment campaign lol.

[maydna]

I can respect some casino who adding required KYC before using their service. most likely about money laundry and legality for their customer. as we know some casino restricted some area for using their services. they didnt want their legality had problem because they didnt even know who using their service before hand . and also KYC in most gambling platform only formalities and they wont making harder registration for their new user.

I mean that would be the least that you can do when you are doing business, complying with the rules and laws that govern your business. I like the idea of KYC because it helps you not become a suspect of something bad in the casino because you know that you won't do wrong because they have your identification.

But still, people who do not want to verify their account will search for the gambling website which does not have verification because they want to stay anonymous. But some gamblers will not bother to do KYC if the site needed them to verify their account. Yes, the money laundry will be a problem for the casino and if they apply KYC for their members, they can protect their member's identity from bad things. So we hope when we verify our account by sending the document to the casino, they can give their best to protect the member's document.

[AicecreaME]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

To answer your question 1, it actually depends. I think I can give my proof of identity to a trusted, well-known, established, and has good reputation casino enterprise. If that certain casino has been running for long years already and has good feedbacks, then I guess there's no reason for me to worry undergoing their KYC process. However, if a casino is just freshly established and there's no record for me to hold onto, then I will rather not undergo KYC. It's better to be safe than sorry.

For question 2, there's no reason for me to feel unsafe if I am giving away my KYC to a reputable casino. I never risk undergoing KYC if I'm hesitating, so yes, I always feel safe because I know I'm not deciding impulsively and already calculated the risks before giving away my identity to them.

[pinggoki]

If the terms of the casino are that it requires your personal identity in which they will acquired you to submit first a KYC to them and some legal documents and the Crypto-casino has a good standard and good standing among the casinos out there then maybe I will agree on their terms and regulations. But the thing is that it is a crypto casino meaning they are accepting cryptocurrency in depositing and withdrawal then why should they ask for your identity? If they will just give your winnings in a form of cryptocurrency? Unless they are supporting FIAT currency in withdrawal.

[rhomelmabini]

If the terms of the casino are that it requires your personal identity in which they will acquired you to submit first a KYC to them and some legal documents and the Crypto-casino has a good standard and good standing among the casinos out there then maybe I will agree on their terms and regulations. But the thing is that it is a crypto casino meaning they are accepting cryptocurrency in depositing and withdrawal then why should they ask for your identity? If they will just give your winnings in a form of cryptocurrency? Unless they are supporting FIAT currency in withdrawal.

It's doesn't mean that it's in crypto payments that there will be no KYC being held on an exchange or even at crypto casinos. The casinos of course are just following the regulations being set and they are just that worried if ever it will be exploited on some most case like money laundering.

May it in crypto or Fiat money laundering doesn't have a preferred currency and therefore firms will just to abide by the rules or they can just close their operations.

[perfect999]

With casinos, as well as with the exchanges, sometimes happens similar KYC requirements, for some reason necessarily after trying to withdraw funds! And until then you could safely make deposits! I consider it a scam, and leave such sites! Who knows where your data and documents can get then!

I don't think that is the case. They allow deposits and even allow you to gamble because they believe the player is going to come out clean and asking for documents doesn't necessarily mean the casino has flagged you. It only means that they want to verify who the player is and from where he comes because ultimately the casinos are operating legally and have to answer if they somehow let a mistake happen on their end and might even mean their license being revoked.

I don't think any gambling provider can ensure 100% security of our personal data. No one knows what their leaks could lead to. I am in favour of giving my personal information and allowing it to be processed and stored only in exceptional cases.

That is alarming. But, then I wonder what they can do with our identity if it goes in the wrong hands? If we are afraid of them misusing it, we can always use a watermark on top of the images we give them, I think that solves the problem completely.

[carlisle1]

If the terms of the casino are that it requires your personal identity in which they will acquired you to submit first a KYC to them and some legal documents and the Crypto-casino has a good standard and good standing among the casinos out there then maybe I will agree on their terms and regulations.

Maybe yes for some people but also No  for some who discreetly involve to this kind of activities, gamblers who wanted to stay unknown

while doing their gambling practices won't allow themselves to submit any legal documents and complete KYC.

But the thing is that it is a crypto casino meaning they are accepting cryptocurrency in depositing and withdrawal then why should they ask for your identity? If they will just give your winnings in a form of cryptocurrency? Unless they are supporting FIAT currency in withdrawal.

They are required by the law that juristic their permits, they can't just simply provides your winning if the amount already exceed from the money laundering act, both fiat and crypto if already been require by law can't do anything about KYC.

[mu_enrico]

In many countries, such as in Russia, it was until recently possible to buy SIM cards which were not registered to a specific person. They were not even sold on the black market, but on regular public marketplaces in huge quantities.

True.

I don't think that passing the first level makes any sense for a gambling site.

If the user only deposit like, let's say, <$100 a month, it makes little sense to collect his personal data more than aforementioned lv1. What will he do with his <$100? Launder money? Yes, he can create multiple accounts but at the expense of a sim card, and sim card is traceable anyway, so law enforcers still can pinpoint his location.

[uneng]

I don't think any gambling provider can ensure 100% security of our personal data. No one knows what their leaks could lead to. I am in favour of giving my personal information and allowing it to be processed and stored only in exceptional cases.

That is alarming. But, then I wonder what they can do with our identity if it goes in the wrong hands? If we are afraid of them misusing it, we can always use a watermark on top of the images we give them, I think that solves the problem completely.

In a digital world like the one we live nowadays, I think there is no way to escape this risk, because sooner or later you will have to upload your documents to one of those data online collectors for different purposes that go beyond gambling kYC sign ups. I've already lost the count of how many times I had to sent my documents virtually. And each new day it becomes more frequently, as new services and opportunities don't stop popping on the internet, and in order to join them you have to show yourself.

If KYC data goes in wrong hands and our image is used maliciously by third party, the authorities must understand the situation, because as I said, we live right now in a digital world and everyone's data is on the internet, even if under government's possession, in the virtual clouds.

[DU18]

If KYC data goes in wrong hands and our image is used maliciously by third party, the authorities must understand the situation, because as I said, we live right now in a digital world and everyone's data is on the internet, even if under government's possession, in the virtual clouds.

The main purpose of implementing the KYC principle is to avoid the risk of fraud by someone and that is why KYC is very important for the prevention and eradication of money laundering which is currently an international issue, but in this case of course we also have to guarantee the security of the data we provide to us sites or institutions, because if the data we provide is used by bad people, of course it will harm itself so it is better to do KYC on things that are very important and of course we need further investigation of sites that ask for KYC about how safe the site is in safeguarding user data.

[dunfida]

If KYC data goes in wrong hands and our image is used maliciously by third party, the authorities must understand the situation, because as I said, we live right now in a digital world and everyone's data is on the internet, even if under government's possession, in the virtual clouds.

The main purpose of implementing the KYC principle is to avoid the risk of fraud by someone and that is why KYC is very important for the prevention and eradication of money laundering which is currently an international issue, but in this case of course we also have to guarantee the security of the data we provide to us sites or institutions, because if the data we provide is used by bad people, of course it will harm itself so it is better to do KYC on things that are very important and of course we need further investigation of sites that ask for KYC about how safe the site is in safeguarding user data.

When it comes to security of those information then nothing is guaranteed because we dont know on where those institutions or companies do keep of those informations that they do get or asked out on people
even lets talk about those traditional services and other things on typical days and now that crypto market had existed then we know on what are the primary things on why it had
gained much attention because of anonymity and its a bit not really correlated if it turns out that they do impose out KYC but its understandable since these business
are regulated then expect that they would still abide with laws which i dont see for them to have any other choice.

[lixer]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

Yes, I would because as much as I hate these procedures, I understand that for player security and sometimes for money-laundering issues we might be asked for documents and there is no harm in providing them because I am not indulged in any illegal activities and I am not someone who would ever be associated with big wins so I just don't care really.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

The casinos I pick to play are known names in the industry so I don't care at all whether they ask me for documents or even selfies and all the stuff. I am trusting them with my money when I play there so why would I ever hesitate trusting them with my identity? No real reason I see.

Just avoid playing at new and warned casinos and you should be good with anything the trusted ones ask, as long as they give a reason for it.

[Renampun]

...

From your statement, you seem to be discrediting an online crypto casino...

Doing KYC or not is the right of all players and security reasons are certainly a consideration for many people. I have followed the KYC procedure several times on several crypto gambling sites that I trust and I am sure there will be no problems in the future.

[dothebeats]

1. Yes, provided that the platform has a long-standing reputation of doing pure business and is in the industry to serve the customers, not the government, as the customers are the ones who bring them profit and not a centralized authority that forces their way on every information that they want.

2. Personally, I don't. There have been a lot of data leaks in the recent past that it's literally not impossible to have another one wherein the platform I'm using is included. In an age wherein personal information is extremely precious for a lot of reasons, it is hard to give it easily, so you need to be sure that the platform you're submitting your info to is reliable and trustworthy enough.

[BTCLiz]

1.
Yes, but I woudnt call it gambling.. Sometimes I play poker at SWC and until now they dont require any documents or any process of KYC, which is in general very surprising, because almost every poker platform requires some sort of KYC right now.

2.
Especially in poker you can be less certain that there is no cheating with other players.. Even if one player gets caught he can register with another nickname and VPN. This is a big disadvantage.

[dunfida]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

No, they should ask out KYC before you do make out deposits not before on making a withdrawal and that would surely sucks!

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

No, Giving out documentations about your identity is never been giving out that feeling of safety.

[jaberwock]

1. Yes, provided that the platform has a long-standing reputation of doing pure business and is in the industry to serve the customers, not the government, as the customers are the ones who bring them profit and not a centralized authority that forces their way on every information that they want.

2. Personally, I don't. There have been a lot of data leaks in the recent past that it's literally not impossible to have another one wherein the platform I'm using is included. In an age wherein personal information is extremely precious for a lot of reasons, it is hard to give it easily, so you need to be sure that the platform you're submitting your info to is reliable and trustworthy enough.

I agree with both points you made but they are somehow contradicting each other because, in 1st point, you said that it's safe to give your ID verification to trusted casinos but in 2nd point, you are also approving the risks that even the biggest casinos can have a data breach and you emphasized on the importance of personal data these days.

I like both the points though because I have a similar feeling that giving our your personal data is not the biggest worry if the site asking for that is a big name in the gambling industry and are asking it for a valid reason. If I win a lottery of 1 BTC and am asked for my documents then I have no problem. That said, if there is a slight doubt in my mind I would be hesitant to provide the same because once someone with bad intentions has your identity and details, they can take even loans on your name and there are thefts beyond our reach.

[acquafredda]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

How funny, imagine I do not trust even my Bank and my government to have all my KYC data. I feel that way too, because anytime I sent my documents to a new service I know that at some point in time they will get hacked and our data could be sold for pennies on the Dark Web.
So when you expose your data is not about if that happens, but when that happens.

[Lanatsa]

How funny, imagine I do not trust even my Bank and my government to have all my KYC data. I feel that way too, because anytime I sent my documents to a new service I know that at some point in time they will get hacked and our data could be sold for pennies on the Dark Web.
So when you expose your data is not about if that happens, but when that happens.

Always have that kind of doubt anytime you do submit out your personal details on a typical normal day where government or any service do ask out some documents about your identity.

As if we do have some other options to take? because if we don't comply then don't expect that you would really be getting on what you wanted. Even just purchasing a car or a property

you would really be needing those documents which would fully be exposing your all information. When it comes to those info then it is already be long time leaked out.

[Silberman]

We might not have a choice if they do that but we have a choice to choose another platform that don't ask that much and we're free to deposit and withdraw anytime without being asked for a kyc.

That is the great thing about the market of cryptocurrencies, just because a big casino forces you to go through KYC no matter what that does not mean that you need to accept it, you can vote with your money and move to another casino that is more flexible on the way they do things and that care about your right to have some privacy and gamble with them, now there are people in this market that do not care about that in which case they have more options than us but at least to me my privacy is important and I am never going to sacrifice it.

Yes, this is the flexibility that we have in cryptocurrencies. Many casinos are accepting already payments in bitcoin and other cryptos they prefer that's why the competition for them is tough and having loyal gamblers is becoming harder if they don't serve well and don't give the best experience a gambler can have. Majority of us do care about privacy and that's why when a casino asks us that, we're leaving after getting the balance that we have there.

I also believe online casino owners understand that the competition in online gambling is getting tougher, because there are so many new
gambling platforms now emerging. And provide the best possible service to its users, therefore I am sure that only a small number of
gambling platforms force their users to perform KYC procedures. Because online casino owners realize that many gamblers consider privacy
in the online world to be very important. So if we are going to register on gambling sites and ask for KYC verification, we can leave the gambling
site and choose another gambling site, because there are so many nowadays good gambling sites and care for their users.

This is one of the great characteristics of the market of cryptocurrencies, there is always someone out there trying to do things more efficiently than you do and if you show any opening then they are going to take your spot, we have seen this many times with the exchange industry, one day there was this exchange that it seems no one could ever hope to beat and then they implemented KYC and in a matter of months they were replaced by another exchange and the same happens with the gambling industry.

[aioc]

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

Blackmail you from gambling? is gambling illegal or a crime that you will get blackmailed as long as you are fair and you won it all fair I don't know how you will get blackmailed, I have not read any complaint that high rollers get into that kind of situation and so are traders from exchanges, they are very similar to gambling they have KYC and they also have whales there, but there was no report of getting blackmailed from staff or former staff of exchanges, you are just creating your own ghost.

[Twentyonepaylots]

KYC is a much-needed component in gambling sites nowadays. If you can't even offer such services as a gambling firm, you can't expect patrons and gamblers alike to trust you with their money. So of course it would be okay for me to follwo KYC regulations in order to give security and peace of mind as well that the gambling site I put my money on is not a bogus or scam.

[johhnyUA]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My answer is: My asshole would explode and send me to the Moon (ha ha, bitcoin is dumping now, so on the moon there is enough place for me). Most of casinos is located in offshores and many of them doesn't have a license for their services. So, they don't have any right to ask me about KYC. And they trying to get your docs just to sell it on darknet and get pretty good cashback 

[judeafante]

 If you are not comfortable giving out your KYC then do not play in lesser-known casinos, play in a gambling site that has a license and follow the government rules about data privacy there are lottery winners but I have not read that get blackmailed because they won the lottery, if you are a high roller you will have the means to trace whoever blackmailing you, if you have the money you can hire lawyers and bodyguards to combat it.

[ultrloa]

KYC is a much-needed component in gambling sites nowadays. If you can't even offer such services as a gambling firm, you can't expect patrons and gamblers alike to trust you with their money. So of course it would be okay for me to follwo KYC regulations in order to give security and peace of mind as well that the gambling site I put my money on is not a bogus or scam.

There are people whos not comfortable providing their private informations since its really risky to do so, also many think crypto is good for anonymity thats why they go with it but since regulation is happening and law ask the operators to do it then we don't have any choice to provide if we want to play thats why we should be selective on choosing the best casino so that we will not be in dangered once they a casino turned scam.

[chaser15]

KYC is a much-needed component in gambling sites nowadays. If you can't even offer such services as a gambling firm, you can't expect patrons and gamblers alike to trust you with their money. So of course it would be okay for me to follwo KYC regulations in order to give security and peace of mind as well that the gambling site I put my money on is not a bogus or scam.

I disagree. Do you mean you will comply with it even you are just a casual gambler or just doing it during spare time? Willing to submit your personal documents just to start doing gambling? Not a good idea as we are talking about crypto-gambling here.

I understand if it's about fiat gambling but that's not the case here.

I also don't see how complying with KYC will give you peace of mind. Stick with a reputable gambling site if that's what you are looking for.

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Blackmail you from gambling? is gambling illegal or a crime that you will get blackmailed as long as you are fair and you won it all fair I don't know how you will get blackmailed, I have not read any complaint that high rollers get into that kind of situation and so are traders from exchanges, they are very similar to gambling they have KYC and they also have whales there, but there was no report of getting blackmailed from staff or former staff of exchanges, you are just creating your own ghost.

Maybe you just didn't get his point well or understood what he wanted to convey.  Yes, we have not seen or read any blackmail on gambling but it is unlikely that he has already encountered such a scenario, read or heard.  Or let's say he's just going to do it in his mind but it's possible to happen.  Yes, in other countries gambling is illegal, breaking the law is prohibited, so it is also a crime.  Let's go back to what OP said, he just assumes that just in case he is a big roller and after he submits his Identity and KYC verification.  We know that not only one staff member works in their support team and they are not the same.  What if the OP thought that there was a reprimand staff at a crypto gambling site and they stole his info.  and data and use it against him just like blackmail.  Of course, you will know his full name, birthday, and address.

[Kakmakr]

I have to say, I recently went to a "Brick n Mortar" casino with a friend of mine that has not gambled there before and the only thing they wanted from him to register.. was his ID card. They did not ask for "Proof of Adress" and "Social security" and "Selfie with ID" and "Bank statements" like some of these other sites.

So I cannot see why these online casinos has to require all of that information to sign you up to play and to withdraw.    I watermark my documents with the name of the site, where I signed up.. so that I can track where the source documents was acquired, in case it was used to register somewhere else. 

[bitterguy28]

KYC is a much-needed component in gambling sites nowadays. If you can't even offer such services as a gambling firm, you can't expect patrons and gamblers alike to trust you with their money. So of course it would be okay for me to follwo KYC regulations in order to give security and peace of mind as well that the gambling site I put my money on is not a bogus or scam.

I disagree. Do you mean you will comply with it even you are just a casual gambler or just doing it during spare time? Willing to submit your personal documents just to start doing gambling? Not a good idea as we are talking about crypto-gambling here.

I understand if it's about fiat gambling but that's not the case here.

I also don't see how complying with KYC will give you peace of mind. Stick with a reputable gambling site if that's what you are looking for.

But the thing is , There are gambling sites that requires KYC before withdrawal , meaning if you really wanna play in their site you must comply.

Sad to say Roobet now has this feature that you cannot even logged in if you did not comply to their KYC policy.

[DoublerHunter]

~snip~
So I cannot see why these online casinos has to require all of that information to sign you up to play and to withdraw.    I watermark my documents with the name of the site, where I signed up.. so that I can track where the source documents was acquired, in case it was used to register somewhere else. 

^ Definitely I agree with your idea, to avoid not to be abused, just always put a watermark on the documents like the name of the site and the registration date that you submit your documents, and additionally, it will probably help too if you will include your handwritten signature. We always worried about our documents being abused by those gambling sites we use and it is probably the only one solution to avoid regarding that matter.

[suzanne5223]

I have to say, I recently went to a "Brick n Mortar" casino with a friend of mine that has not gambled there before and the only thing they wanted from him to register.. was his ID card. They did not ask for "Proof of Adress" and "Social security" and "Selfie with ID" and "Bank statements" like some of these other sites.

I single ID is enough to track any man on earth but some gambling site ask for proof of address to save their stress.

So I cannot see why these online casinos has to require all of that information to sign you up to play and to withdraw.    I watermark my documents with the name of the site, where I signed up.. so that I can track where the source documents was acquired, in case it was used to register somewhere else.  

I think 95% of all online cryptocurrency casino does this but I don't think we should blame them because ever since some people abuse the use of gambling site to tumbler stolen funds the gambling site master license holder have increased their restrictions and this is also have led to KYC in the initial offering either. However, only naive casino will ask new user for KYC when registering an account cause it will be a turn off though almost every casino ask for KYC when user when to withdraw above their no KYC limit.

[coin-investor]

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

Of course, KYC on gambling is something that you don't like but if that's the only way to do it to verify that you really won that amount then you have no choice but to proceed, so only play on a reputable gambling site with a license where they are accountable to everything that they are going to do wrong, you can also report them if you think that there is a breach of data privacy.

[maydna]

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

Of course, KYC on gambling is something that you don't like but if that's the only way to do it to verify that you really won that amount then you have no choice but to proceed, so only play on a reputable gambling site with a license where they are accountable to everything that they are going to do wrong, you can also report them if you think that there is a breach of data privacy.

I think we can choose the gambling site where we want to play gambling. If we don't like to play gambling on the site that applies KYC, we can search for the other sites, and I am sure that will not be difficult for us, especially when we use crypto to gamble. Besides that, we already have so many reputations gambling site which does not ask about KYC to their members. If they win, it will be their member's money, and the casino will let them withdraw if they don't do something suspicious.

[iTradeChips]

Well for me there's two rules. I will try to know first if the newly established casino has KYC or not. Second I need to know the real deal with the casino, is this a reputable casino or not. I mean KYC is simply just a new name to an old regulation some casinos implement in the past until now. You register, give some basic information about your identity, and then play and earn money. I don't see anything different from this perspective. Only of course now we need to be careful on the internet casinos. Not all internet casinos are good for you.

[worle1bm]

KYC have been always a issue and topic of discussion for crypto gambling platforms.It still moves the same way.So here are my findings about it:

1) If you prefer to remain anonymous while playing on crypto casino then search for the legit ones which do not ask for KYC documents regardless of how much withdrawal request you have initiated.Here is list of casino which do not requires for such KYC procedures Anonymous Bitcoin Casino

2)Most of the legit casino fulfill the legal obligations of the concerned region in which they are operating and government ask them for to have proper identification of the customers.

3) Sometimes casino have to monitor the suspicious activities related to deposit and withdrawal under AML acts and that's why they ask you for KYC documents to monitor your account details.

4)If you are using Bitcoin wallets then you don't need to give such detail for inter wallets transfer,but if you are using PayPal or bank card details for withdrawal then you surely need to provide the details

5)If the platform you are using is legit it will never exploit your personal details and you can trust them.

So now it depends upon you how you want to participate in crypto gambling.

[madnessteat]

~ 5)If the platform you are using is legit it will never exploit your personal details and you can trust them. ~

The gambling platform itself may not use your personal data, but it could be intercepted during uploads or obtained by hacking into the platform's security.

I think you should minimise sending personal data to third parties when you have the option of not doing so.

[pawanjain]

Well for me there's two rules. I will try to know first if the newly established casino has KYC or not. Second I need to know the real deal with the casino, is this a reputable casino or not. I mean KYC is simply just a new name to an old regulation some casinos implement in the past until now. You register, give some basic information about your identity, and then play and earn money. I don't see anything different from this perspective. Only of course now we need to be careful on the internet casinos. Not all internet casinos are good for you.

There comes big number of risks when KYC is associated to an online entity. The risks get even bigger if the online entity gets hacked at some point.
We should always stay away from sites which ask us for our KYC or should reveal the details only when it is absolutely necessary.
For gambling though, there are many number of sites available which provide non KYC users to register and gamble.
So yeah, KYC is definitely a No for gambling sites.

[Karartma1]

I don't want to undergo Know Your Customer procedures on gambling site for a whole lotta reasons. I don't want my data to be seen by some strange off-shore companies. I loved the early days of bitcoin when all gambling sites were accepting it no questions asked, directbet was my fav.

[Mahanton]

I don't want to undergo Know Your Customer procedures on gambling site for a whole lotta reasons. I don't want my data to be seen by some strange off-shore companies. I loved the early days of bitcoin when all gambling sites were accepting it no questions asked, directbet was my fav.

Until now gambling sites doesnt really ask of KYC as of this moment but its included into their terms that they would really be asking out once the user would be violating one of their terms.

Its not mandatory but you would really be careful on violating or terms of any platforms out there because sooner or later these platforms would be no different with fiat
where KYC and other verification would really be next in line.

[magneto]

I don't want to undergo Know Your Customer procedures on gambling site for a whole lotta reasons. I don't want my data to be seen by some strange off-shore companies. I loved the early days of bitcoin when all gambling sites were accepting it no questions asked, directbet was my fav.

Exactly. Directbet was the embodiment of what crypto gambling should be like - quick, painless, direct, and no questions asked.

But I do think that it's inevitable that more and more casinos start probing into people's KYCs for a variety of reasons. The overwhelming reason is the ramping up of regulatory pressures that is happening across the world.

It's necessary cost to pay for the mainstream adoption of BTC - really no way around it.

[Karartma1]

I don't want to undergo Know Your Customer procedures on gambling site for a whole lotta reasons. I don't want my data to be seen by some strange off-shore companies. I loved the early days of bitcoin when all gambling sites were accepting it no questions asked, directbet was my fav.

Exactly. Directbet was the embodiment of what crypto gambling should be like - quick, painless, direct, and no questions asked.

But I do think that it's inevitable that more and more casinos start probing into people's KYCs for a variety of reasons. The overwhelming reason is the ramping up of regulatory pressures that is happening across the world.

It's necessary cost to pay for the mainstream adoption of BTC - really no way around it.

With all the due setup in place it shouldn't be impossible to recreate that gaming experience but that costs associated with it are to high. Take yolodice as an example, they weren't asking for people's data and the owners closed because it's too time consuming (and it was only dice-based)

[tabas]

I loved the early days of bitcoin when all gambling sites were accepting it no questions asked, directbet was my fav.

I was able to see the glory days of directbet and you're spot on about the early days of bitcoin. Most of the casinos wouldn't scare out the players with their sudden KYC compliance.
We're all confident before that there's not going to have a sudden question about their player's identity. But these days, well it has changed a lot and we're all worried and don't want to do it.

[Reatim]

Well for me there's two rules. I will try to know first if the newly established casino has KYC or not. Second I need to know the real deal with the casino, is this a reputable casino or not. I mean KYC is simply just a new name to an old regulation some casinos implement in the past until now. You register, give some basic information about your identity, and then play and earn money. I don't see anything different from this perspective. Only of course now we need to be careful on the internet casinos. Not all internet casinos are good for you.

Only Few has implementing the KYC thing when you are just starting to play  because mostly KYC is been asked when you come to Hit a jackpot or Huge amount , or whenyou come lucky all your time so the site will automatically put your account under questioned and you will be asked of your Full personal details.
But like what you said, we must not consider giving our kyc for newly established casino site because of reputation issue, they must first prove their self before we come to trust them .

[iTradeChips]

Well for me there's two rules. I will try to know first if the newly established casino has KYC or not. Second I need to know the real deal with the casino, is this a reputable casino or not. I mean KYC is simply just a new name to an old regulation some casinos implement in the past until now. You register, give some basic information about your identity, and then play and earn money. I don't see anything different from this perspective. Only of course now we need to be careful on the internet casinos. Not all internet casinos are good for you.

There comes big number of risks when KYC is associated to an online entity. The risks get even bigger if the online entity gets hacked at some point.
We should always stay away from sites which ask us for our KYC or should reveal the details only when it is absolutely necessary.
For gambling though, there are many number of sites available which provide non KYC users to register and gamble.
So yeah, KYC is definitely a No for gambling sites.

With all the bad things you can get on the internet if you are not careful, of course, we need to protect our identity. I am very much aware of identity theft so theres that. Also the KYC's that I have participated so far are the ones with reputable businesses like Binance and Coins.ph. I play poker and I have my own email address that be used for poker casino or poker playing websites that would let me send not my real email but my "gambling email".

[radjie]

Well for me there's two rules. I will try to know first if the newly established casino has KYC or not. Second I need to know the real deal with the casino, is this a reputable casino or not. I mean KYC is simply just a new name to an old regulation some casinos implement in the past until now. You register, give some basic information about your identity, and then play and earn money. I don't see anything different from this perspective. Only of course now we need to be careful on the internet casinos. Not all internet casinos are good for you.

Only Few has implementing the KYC thing when you are just starting to play  because mostly KYC is been asked when you come to Hit a jackpot or Huge amount , or whenyou come lucky all your time so the site will automatically put your account under questioned and you will be asked of your Full personal details.
But like what you said, we must not consider giving our kyc for newly established casino site because of reputation issue, they must first prove their self before we come to trust them .

yes, some gambling sites may ask for KYC only when making a withdrawal when a user gets a big jackpot, but not all casino sites require verification of kyc, if kyc is mandatory we also have to consider whether the casino site is official and has a good reputation and can even guarantee security and  our privacy so that it can be accounted for

[KTChampions]

Very correct questions and an interesting topic. I agree with the author that if I face the same problems in crypto as in fiat, then why do I need a crypto? I think that this problem will become more and more evident over time as crypto becomes more controlled by governments and gradually turns into fiat.

[ethereumhunter]

yes, some gambling sites may ask for KYC only when making a withdrawal when a user gets a big jackpot, but not all casino sites require verification of kyc, if kyc is mandatory we also have to consider whether the casino site is official and has a good reputation and can even guarantee security and  our privacy so that it can be accounted for

We need to be responsible for our document or verification process because once we give our details to the casino or other website, we can not complain to them if they are negligent in protecting our data or getting hacked. I am sure the casino or other site will protect their member's data from the bad things that can happen, but we can not deny that the internet is not a safe place to give our details to any third party. So we need to make sure that they can protect and will take care of good.

[Karartma1]

I loved the early days of bitcoin when all gambling sites were accepting it no questions asked, directbet was my fav.

I was able to see the glory days of directbet and you're spot on about the early days of bitcoin. Most of the casinos wouldn't scare out the players with their sudden KYC compliance.
We're all confident before that there's not going to have a sudden question about their player's identity. But these days, well it has changed a lot and we're all worried and don't want to do it.

I hope that with the advance of DeFi applications there will be new Dex Casinos where we don't need to rely to a central entity/operator (sometimes a single man i.e. safedice(!!!)) to freely gamble with crypto.
There are a few example already but there's not so much traction about these products.
Maybe with Taproot and an increasing LN adoption that will become possible sooner than we think. And I'm not talking about gambling only, but finance in general.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

Very correct questions and an interesting topic. I agree with the author that if I face the same problems in crypto as in fiat, then why do I need a crypto? I think that this problem will become more and more evident over time as crypto becomes more controlled by governments and gradually turns into fiat.

Crypto grows in value compared to fiat so even if the difference between fiat and crypto gets narrower day by day, I think that we will still use crypto. It's impossible for the government to control crypto since it is a decentralized platform, what they can control though are the avenues for the users to access.

[Silberman]

KYC is a much-needed component in gambling sites nowadays. If you can't even offer such services as a gambling firm, you can't expect patrons and gamblers alike to trust you with their money. So of course it would be okay for me to follwo KYC regulations in order to give security and peace of mind as well that the gambling site I put my money on is not a bogus or scam.

Disagree, KYC is not there to protect you , KYC is there to protect the casino of you or anything that you do that could go against their interests, also since we know there are many scams casinos out there especially those that do not bother to come to this forum to open an ANN thread it is fair to wonder if you should give your personal information to them as you run the risk of being victimized twice, the first time when they steal your money and the second time when they sell your personal information on the dark web.

[abel1337]

KYC is a much-needed component in gambling sites nowadays. If you can't even offer such services as a gambling firm, you can't expect patrons and gamblers alike to trust you with their money. So of course it would be okay for me to follwo KYC regulations in order to give security and peace of mind as well that the gambling site I put my money on is not a bogus or scam.

Disagree, KYC is not there to protect you , KYC is there to protect the casino of you or anything that you do that could go against their interests, also since we know there are many scams casinos out there especially those that do not bother to come to this forum to open an ANN thread it is fair to wonder if you should give your personal information to them as you run the risk of being victimized twice, the first time when they steal your money and the second time when they sell your personal information on the dark web.

That right. For me, KYC is a double-edged sword for gamblers. The risk of stealing your personal information is high when a data breach happens in a casino but the advantage of submitting KYC is if your account is hacked or stolen, You can recover easily it by simply appealing and submitting the recovery procedure with KYC. Though I still wouldn't risk my personal information just to allowed or to access a casino.

[carlfebz2]

KYC is a much-needed component in gambling sites nowadays. If you can't even offer such services as a gambling firm, you can't expect patrons and gamblers alike to trust you with their money. So of course it would be okay for me to follwo KYC regulations in order to give security and peace of mind as well that the gambling site I put my money on is not a bogus or scam.

Disagree, KYC is not there to protect you , KYC is there to protect the casino of you or anything that you do that could go against their interests, also since we know there are many scams casinos out there especially those that do not bother to come to this forum to open an ANN thread it is fair to wonder if you should give your personal information to them as you run the risk of being victimized twice, the first time when they steal your money and the second time when they sell your personal information on the dark web.

That right. For me, KYC is a double-edged sword for gamblers. The risk of stealing your personal information is high when a data breach happens in a casino but the advantage of submitting KYC is if your account is hacked or stolen, You can recover easily it by simply appealing and submitting the recovery procedure with KYC. Though I still wouldn't risk my personal information just to allowed or to access a casino.

This is only good for fiat gambling site casino but for cryptocurrency based ones then its not really that necessary to have these credentials for you to recover out your own account

since they would really be just asking out several precise activity that you had with that account recently or other informations like the date when it was created or some sort.

This is the main reason why gambling in crypto is booming because of the anonymity that it gives unlike on dealing with fiat ones which would really be needing those documents or personal information.

[Lorence.xD]

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It is better if the website does not need us to fills KYC as we want to keep our documents in our hands. I am sure many casinos will still protect their members' identification by not applying KYC for them because the crypto casino knows that anonymity will be important for people who use crypto.

It is better yes but there is no way that all casinos are going to stay on the old ways of not collecting KYC without the worry of being hassled by the government bodies for not complying with their laws.

[michellee]

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It is better if the website does not need us to fills KYC as we want to keep our documents in our hands. I am sure many casinos will still protect their members' identification by not applying KYC for them because the crypto casino knows that anonymity will be important for people who use crypto.

It is better yes but there is no way that all casinos are going to stay on the old ways of not collecting KYC without the worry of being hassled by the government bodies for not complying with their laws.

We can hope that some reputations gambling site will still do that way to give anonymously to their members. Maybe if the casino is out of the government jurisdiction, the casino will not have to follow the regulation from the government, so they can still operate without asking KYC to their members. Hopefully, crypto gambling users can still play gambling without worrying about KYC and other things that can make them send their details.

[madnessteat]

No matter how much they try to brainwash us about how KYC helps prevent money laundering, terrorist financing and tax evasion, it's all just an attempt by states to link personal information to a person's financial condition, no matter what he uses - bank services, cryptocurrencies or casinos. KYC is evil even for a well-meaning person.

[Quidat]

No matter how much they try to brainwash us about how KYC helps prevent money laundering, terrorist financing and tax evasion, it's all just an attempt by states to link personal information to a person's financial condition, no matter what he uses - bank services, cryptocurrencies or casinos. KYC is evil even for a well-meaning person.

But still end up on complying those kyc or verification specially into those typical daily transactions that we might do in real life and same goes in other online transactions specially if its heavily centralized.
As if we do have some other choices to have? KYC is indeed evil but lets see some of it on the brighter side of things too.

https://testbook.com/blog/know-your-customer-gk-notes-pdf/

[harizen]

For now, I'm not including gambling sites for me to allow submission of my personal documents unless I have a pending decent amount waiting to be withdrawn.

No matter how reputable that site is, my approach to gambling sites isn't the same as exchanges in terms of submitting personal information that's why I only want to comply with KYC on the latter.

If at some point that my preferred sportsbook put a mandatory term that everyone should comply with the KYC, I will not use it anymore and will switch instead to other sites, simple as that.

[xSkylarx]

KYC is indeed evil but lets see some of it on the brighter side of things too.

The problem is you don't really know what the gambling platform will do on your private information. KYC has really some benefits but if it is handled by someone with a bad motive your information can be used for illegal activities. We should be picky on what platform we share this private information of ours, if the risk is greater than the reward then it might be better to avoid complying with KYC. We should also know the standard requirements on platforms, most often they only ask for a document ID and a live selfie of yours. If they are asking too much then think carefully if you will still comply to their KYC.

[chaser15]

Sorry, but whatever it takes, I don't want to comply with KYC at any gambling sites. Even it means centralization, gambling sites that running within a purely crypto environment should not be subject to that. It's different for other platforms that need KYC.

If I have an account on a certain gambling site with some of my stored funds, I have no choice then but to follow their rules if KYC was asked. But that will be the last service that I will do on that site.

[zanezane]

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But still, people who do not want to verify their account will search for the gambling website which does not have verification because they want to stay anonymous. But some gamblers will not bother to do KYC if the site needed them to verify their account. Yes, the money laundry will be a problem for the casino and if they apply KYC for their members, they can protect their member's identity from bad things. So we hope when we verify our account by sending the document to the casino, they can give their best to protect the member's document.

As time goes by, the list of gambling sites that doesn't require KYC is going to get shorter because a lot of people are flocking to it and the government will take notice of this and they want to intervene as much as they can to prevent anything illegal that can be done through this sites.

[johhnyUA]

2)Most of the legit casino fulfill the legal obligations of the concerned region in which they are operating and government ask them for to have proper identification of the customers.

You're wrong here: Most of the casinos (especially in crypto world) are based in offshores, like Cyprus with licenses from offshore government. And main problem that such places are out of EU privacy data regulations (I forgot how this law called). Hence, such casinos can sell your private information without any concerns for themselves. Oh, not "sell". They can "lost" your data 

[swogerino]

No matter how much they try to brainwash us about how KYC helps prevent money laundering, terrorist financing and tax evasion, it's all just an attempt by states to link personal information to a person's financial condition, no matter what he uses - bank services, cryptocurrencies or casinos. KYC is evil even for a well-meaning person.

This is true.The government want to control us to the maximum extent possible.In fiat casinos in almost 100% of the cases you have to pass KYC in order to be approved to play there.So far crypto casinos do not force you into this for small amounts,usually up to 0.01 Bitcoin which is better compared to fiat casinos.I don't think this will change anytime soon so crypto casinos are the way to go.

[DoublerHunter]

2)Most of the legit casino fulfill the legal obligations of the concerned region in which they are operating and government ask them for to have proper identification of the customers.

You're wrong here: Most of the casinos (especially in crypto world) are based in offshores, like Cyprus with licenses from offshore government. And main problem that such places are out of EU privacy data regulations (I forgot how this law called). Hence, such casinos can sell your private information without any concerns for themselves. Oh, not "sell". They can "lost" your data 

^ Speaking of selling your data and will probably the gambling site will shut down, is possible your private information can sell them without your concern even if there is a watermark from you? Just like submitting an image with the date you submitted and the name of the gambling casino.
That is why as long as there are gambling casinos that did not require ID verification, I will still use them all together with their good reputation will still the best place for me to gamble. Nevertheless, it is very common as of now that most gambling sites acquire KYC/AML verification for its user.

[Silberman]

KYC is a much-needed component in gambling sites nowadays. If you can't even offer such services as a gambling firm, you can't expect patrons and gamblers alike to trust you with their money. So of course it would be okay for me to follwo KYC regulations in order to give security and peace of mind as well that the gambling site I put my money on is not a bogus or scam.

Disagree, KYC is not there to protect you , KYC is there to protect the casino of you or anything that you do that could go against their interests, also since we know there are many scams casinos out there especially those that do not bother to come to this forum to open an ANN thread it is fair to wonder if you should give your personal information to them as you run the risk of being victimized twice, the first time when they steal your money and the second time when they sell your personal information on the dark web.

That right. For me, KYC is a double-edged sword for gamblers. The risk of stealing your personal information is high when a data breach happens in a casino but the advantage of submitting KYC is if your account is hacked or stolen, You can recover easily it by simply appealing and submitting the recovery procedure with KYC. Though I still wouldn't risk my personal information just to allowed or to access a casino.

You raise a good point towards the use of KYC that I have never considered, but that is because I only put in the casino enough money to gamble a few sessions, so even if I were hacked and lost access to my account I would probably not care as there will not be any money in my account, however for those that actually deposit a lot of money so they can save some money on fees or because thy want a bonus, KYC can be a decent way to get their account back in the case a hacker can get access to it.

[johhnyUA]

^ Speaking of selling your data and will probably the gambling site will shut down, is possible your private information can sell them without your concern even if there is a watermark from you? Just like submitting an image with the date you submitted and the name of the gambling casino.
That is why as long as there are gambling casinos that did not require ID verification, I will still use them all together with their good reputation will still the best place for me to gamble. Nevertheless, it is very common as of now that most gambling sites acquire KYC/AML verification for its user.

With a good skill in PS you can remove watermarks, lol. The only good "watermark" is a sheet of paper between ID card with all needed information.

Many services acquire KYC. But this doesn't mean that to do as they ask is a good idea.

[Natalim]

^ Speaking of selling your data and will probably the gambling site will shut down, is possible your private information can sell them without your concern even if there is a watermark from you? Just like submitting an image with the date you submitted and the name of the gambling casino.
That is why as long as there are gambling casinos that did not require ID verification, I will still use them all together with their good reputation will still the best place for me to gamble. Nevertheless, it is very common as of now that most gambling sites acquire KYC/AML verification for its user.

With a good skill in PS you can remove watermarks, lol. The only good "watermark" is a sheet of paper between ID card with all needed information.

Many services acquire KYC. But this doesn't mean that to do as they ask is a good idea.

In poor countries you can buy data from people, pay them and you're problem is solved, but make sure you always have contact with that person as the KYC requirement may not only be one time, especially if you are dealing with a big amount. Still risky though but if you can take it, you're good to go.

[goinmerry]

With a good skill in PS you can remove watermarks, lol. The only good "watermark" is a sheet of paper between ID card with all needed information.

There are follow-ups on some KYC and that removing the watermarks will not work later on.

Some platforms ask for supporting documents so having at least a single doc might not enough. I hope so that annoying tasks like that won't be featured on a crypto gambling site as I already sick to some exchanges on that kind of experience and in the end, sometimes there will be a problem on the way even you submitted a clear document.

[BuNga_cute]

^ Speaking of selling your data and will probably the gambling site will shut down, is possible your private information can sell them without your concern even if there is a watermark from you? Just like submitting an image with the date you submitted and the name of the gambling casino.
That is why as long as there are gambling casinos that did not require ID verification, I will still use them all together with their good reputation will still the best place for me to gamble. Nevertheless, it is very common as of now that most gambling sites acquire KYC/AML verification for its user.

With a good skill in PS you can remove watermarks, lol. The only good "watermark" is a sheet of paper between ID card with all needed information.

Many services acquire KYC. But this doesn't mean that to do as they ask is a good idea.

In poor countries you can buy data from people, pay them and you're problem is solved, but make sure you always have contact with that person as the KYC requirement may not only be one time, especially if you are dealing with a big amount. Still risky though but if you can take it, you're good to go.

It is true that we can buy data from other people for solutions to play gambling on platforms that require KYC procedures. But this is a very high risk,
even though we have contact with the person who sold the data to us. There will definitely be problems in the future, which later will make things
even more complicated. Why not find a safer solution, using gambling platforms that don't need KYC procedures. There are still so many trusted
gambling platforms that don't need KYC procedures.

[tabas]

This is true.The government want to control us to the maximum extent possible.In fiat casinos in almost 100% of the cases you have to pass KYC in order to be approved to play there.So far crypto casinos do not force you into this for small amounts,usually up to 0.01 Bitcoin which is better compared to fiat casinos.I don't think this will change anytime soon so crypto casinos are the way to go.

Only about to happen if you've done somewhat against to their TOS. But if you're clean and you know it, you'll be far to being asked for a KYC. There are gamblers that are from fiat casinos would agree to that, that the crypto casino are way better secure and good in keeping privacy.

[arwin100]

This is true.The government want to control us to the maximum extent possible.In fiat casinos in almost 100% of the cases you have to pass KYC in order to be approved to play there.So far crypto casinos do not force you into this for small amounts,usually up to 0.01 Bitcoin which is better compared to fiat casinos.I don't think this will change anytime soon so crypto casinos are the way to go.

Only about to happen if you've done somewhat against to their TOS. But if you're clean and you know it, you'll be far to being asked for a KYC. There are gamblers that are from fiat casinos would agree to that, that the crypto casino are way better secure and good in keeping privacy.

Crypto gamblers are actually not used to it we see on the gambling threads complaining about why they have been ask to provide their informations. But since the crypto casino evolves and the market of it became wider the government want to regulate it. That's why its good for crypto gamblers to understand that this could possibly happen on the casino where they play so better choose the best casino to play so that their worried will be lessen regarding on future anomalies.

[Peanutswar]

There are a lot of people who would like to keep themselves anonymous while playing a gambling platform so they keep preferring using not true identify but some of this platform right now requires a KYC before you playing it's their own rules you want to adopt or change another platform. 

In giving KYC is a double perspective first it's bad to their customers they want to keep anonymous whole playing and the other one is having a KYC gives a good outcome in terms of another layer of security for their users but still, it exposed their information on the gambling website.

[johhnyUA]

In poor countries you can buy data from people, pay them and you're problem is solved, but make sure you always have contact with that person as the KYC requirement may not only be one time, especially if you are dealing with a big amount. Still risky though but if you can take it, you're good to go.

We are not talking here about ways to bypass casinos KYC. I'm trying to tell you that passing KYC to a service which can't even ask you about that (in legal terms) this is not good.

Some platforms ask for supporting documents so having at least a single doc might not enough. I hope so that annoying tasks like that won't be featured on a crypto gambling site as I already sick to some exchanges on that kind of experience and in the end, sometimes there will be a problem on the way even you submitted a clear document.

I know that. But again: They don't have permission and any right to do that. If you want to ask about KYC, then shift you business to UK or EU and i will give my docs to you. If you want to sit in low tax offshore - then "fuck you cunning service". My way of life, tho.

[Lanatsa]

This is true.The government want to control us to the maximum extent possible.In fiat casinos in almost 100% of the cases you have to pass KYC in order to be approved to play there.So far crypto casinos do not force you into this for small amounts,usually up to 0.01 Bitcoin which is better compared to fiat casinos.I don't think this will change anytime soon so crypto casinos are the way to go.

Only about to happen if you've done somewhat against to their TOS. But if you're clean and you know it, you'll be far to being asked for a KYC. There are gamblers that are from fiat casinos would agree to that, that the crypto casino are way better secure and good in keeping privacy.

Crypto gamblers are actually not used to it we see on the gambling threads complaining about why they have been ask to provide their informations. But since the crypto casino evolves and the market of it became wider the government want to regulate it. That's why its good for crypto gamblers to understand that this could possibly happen on the casino where they play so better choose the best casino to play so that their worried will be lessen regarding on future anomalies.

Not surprising that government would try to get involved or stirring up on things where it seems that it do really get bigger or getting attention specially if its dealing with crypto then that wont really pass up into their eyes.  

Even these crypto gambling sites that we do know even they are really that prioritizing anonymity, it wouldn't really be a surprise that one day these platforms will really be strictly asking
out for verification.

[Mahdirakib]

There are a lot of people who would like to keep themselves anonymous while playing a gambling platform so they keep preferring using not true identify but some of this platform right now requires a KYC before you playing it's their own rules you want to adopt or change another platform. ~

Most of them made KYC mandatory because of their license provider. So it's not their own rules. Basically, crypto gambling platform wants to keep their user as anonymous too. A casino will loss their gambling license if they don't follow the rules of their license provider. And many gamblers will leave the platform if they loss their license. Also many gambler doesn't like to play at casino where kyc is required. Overall it's a tough situation for a casino. Personally I avoid playing at those platform where kyc is mandatory.

[tabas]

This is true.The government want to control us to the maximum extent possible.In fiat casinos in almost 100% of the cases you have to pass KYC in order to be approved to play there.So far crypto casinos do not force you into this for small amounts,usually up to 0.01 Bitcoin which is better compared to fiat casinos.I don't think this will change anytime soon so crypto casinos are the way to go.

Only about to happen if you've done somewhat against to their TOS. But if you're clean and you know it, you'll be far to being asked for a KYC. There are gamblers that are from fiat casinos would agree to that, that the crypto casino are way better secure and good in keeping privacy.

Crypto gamblers are actually not used to it we see on the gambling threads complaining about why they have been ask to provide their informations. But since the crypto casino evolves and the market of it became wider the government want to regulate it. That's why its good for crypto gamblers to understand that this could possibly happen on the casino where they play so better choose the best casino to play so that their worried will be lessen regarding on future anomalies.

Yes, maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC. But for the meantime, I don't want to think about it as long as how crypto works and keeping the identity of the owners privately, that should how it works.
And while we've got a choice to gamble with the crypto casinos that don't ask for a KYC, go there and don't choose those that will surely ask you upon looking for reviews.

[harizen]

Yes, maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC.

For crypto-casinos, I doubt or should not. Centralization shouldn't involve crypto-casinos. KYC can be asked but only within a specific reason such as alarm accounts, unusual withdrawals, big amount withdrawals, or account recovery.

A mandatory KYC should only be applied to fiat casinos, which is actually the current state today. Look at Binance or Kucoin, a fully centralized and regulated, exchange but a basic account can play up to BTC2 withdrawals everyday anonymously (or should I say just with email and phone numbers). If those are allowed, then crypto-casinos should be the same.

[KTChampions]

Very correct questions and an interesting topic. I agree with the author that if I face the same problems in crypto as in fiat, then why do I need a crypto? I think that this problem will become more and more evident over time as crypto becomes more controlled by governments and gradually turns into fiat.

Crypto grows in value compared to fiat so even if the difference between fiat and crypto gets narrower day by day, I think that we will still use crypto. It's impossible for the government to control crypto since it is a decentralized platform, what they can control though are the avenues for the users to access.

You are so naive. If you pay attention, you will see that gradually the entire infrastructure of cryptocurrencies is coming under the control of large players, and they are completely in the legal field, which means they are controlled by the state. By the way, tell me why such an almost ideal cryptocurrency like Monero is not becoming popular, but on the contrary losing its market share?

[Ryker1]

Yes, maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC.

For crypto-casinos, I doubt or should not. Centralization shouldn't involve crypto-casinos. KYC can be asked but only within a specific reason such as alarm accounts, unusual withdrawals, big amount withdrawals, or account recovery.

A mandatory KYC should only be applied to fiat casinos, which is actually the current state today. Look at Binance or Kucoin, a fully centralized and regulated, exchange but a basic account can play up to BTC2 withdrawals everyday anonymously (or should I say just with email and phone numbers). If those are allowed, then crypto-casinos should be the same.

Well, this is the point that good to be discussed. For a small amount that you can afford to play and gambling on the site, which supposedly doesn't require KYC, we gamble just because we wanted to have fun in the casino but instead, they are asking as a KYC. KYC in gambling casinos should be for specific players or accounts, not the entire gambling business. If a gambling casino required having KYC while I am depositing, I rather choose now my debit card for that.

[Rengga Jati]

maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC. But for the meantime, I don't want to think about it as long as how crypto works and keeping the identity of the owners privately, that should how it works.

We are talking about crypto casinos, I don't think even in the future it should ask for KYC. In the crypto world, we must respect the privacy of everyone and make it easier to do. So, what for asking KYC for the users? If the users win prizes in gambling, it can be delivered to the users' accounts on the casinos. It is not a complicated thing, which means no need for KYC to validate the data. 

[nhaila]

Online gambling and casinos site are strictly prohibited but kyc submit is very dangerous. I don't support kyc submission in casinos and gambling fund withdrawl. If it possible where gambling and casinos site fully valid.

[BuNga_cute]

Yes, maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC.

For crypto-casinos, I doubt or should not. Centralization shouldn't involve crypto-casinos. KYC can be asked but only within a specific reason such as alarm accounts, unusual withdrawals, big amount withdrawals, or account recovery.

A mandatory KYC should only be applied to fiat casinos, which is actually the current state today. Look at Binance or Kucoin, a fully centralized and regulated, exchange but a basic account can play up to BTC2 withdrawals everyday anonymously (or should I say just with email and phone numbers). If those are allowed, then crypto-casinos should be the same.

Well, this is the point that good to be discussed. For a small amount that you can afford to play and gambling on the site, which supposedly doesn't require KYC, we gamble just because we wanted to have fun in the casino but instead, they are asking as a KYC. KYC in gambling casinos should be for specific players or accounts, not the entire gambling business. If a gambling casino required having KYC while I am depositing, I rather choose now my debit card for that.

What makes crypto casino attractive and is starting to be of interest to many people is that we can play gambling online anonymously.
Because there is no need to do KYC, but now slowly some crypto casinos have started implementing KYC. And this actually makes some
gamblers disappointed, if KYC is applied to certain accounts and certain conditions I can still understand. But if I have to do KYC while only
making a small deposit, I feel uncomfortable playing gambling like that.

[Oshosondy]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

Many people are comfortable with this as many people are comfortable with using centralized exchanges that demand for KYC. I am very conscious not to just easily give out my KYC to any site, but I can not have much coins on gambling sites, this should not then lose risk. If I win big, I will only easily move all my funds out of the exchange, mix it using a mixer and I am safe.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

I feel reluctant, that is why I prefer to use non kyc betting sites, and there are many non kyc bettings sites that will require nothing more than email. This is the reason I have not even used kyc betting sure before.

[passwordnow]

Online gambling and casinos site are strictly prohibited

Only for a few countries that have declared it illegal but other than that, gambling, offline and online are fine with most of the countries and even supports it because it's part of the industries for which is the bloodline of a country.

but kyc submit is very dangerous.

Dangerous only if you have submitted it to the wrong casino that can't promise the safety of our identities.

I don't support kyc submission in casinos and gambling fund withdrawl. If it possible where gambling and casinos site fully valid.

As long as there's no need to apply KYC, we still have a lot of casinos to choose from that don't ask kyc.

[Oshosondy]

Dangerous only if you have submitted it to the wrong casino that can't promise the safety of our identities.

Be it legit or not legit casino or any other gambling company, kyc is extremely dangerous. If the ledger nano company data that was hacked and breached and known to people to the extent it led to phishing attempts and attacks, also to the extent some were calling the phone number of people that bought hardware wallet from the Ledger nano company, telling them they are coming to their home. Hackers can hack the data of people from legit sites, this makes kyc extremely dangerous. When there are many casino and gambling sites generally that will not request for kyc, it is better to use non kyc gambling platforms for safety reasons.

[KTChampions]

Online gambling and casinos site are strictly prohibited

Only for a few countries that have declared it illegal but other than that, gambling, offline and online are fine with most of the countries and even supports it because it's part of the industries for which is the bloodline of a country.

I think the key point here is not legality or illegality, but that legality implies taxes and other extortions. I think most of the people who came to the crypto wanted to be away from government regulation and, accordingly, from taxes / licensing, etc. In fact, all legal casinos are deprived of the advantages that crypto gives us.

[tabas]

Yes, maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC.

For crypto-casinos, I doubt or should not. Centralization shouldn't involve crypto-casinos. KYC can be asked but only within a specific reason such as alarm accounts, unusual withdrawals, big amount withdrawals, or account recovery.

A mandatory KYC should only be applied to fiat casinos, which is actually the current state today. Look at Binance or Kucoin, a fully centralized and regulated, exchange but a basic account can play up to BTC2 withdrawals everyday anonymously (or should I say just with email and phone numbers). If those are allowed, then crypto-casinos should be the same.

That's just a maybe that we might or might not see in the future. With all the intervention the governments are doing with crypto-related stuff and it includes gambling then that only means that there's a chance but that could be very slim.
That very reason why a crypto casino asks for KYC can be changed later on and would be enforced at their will. But it's just a maybe and IMO.

[Saint-loup]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

No I don't because it's dangerous. There had been scams with that. Many people have complained of having been scammed by 1xbit or 1xbet because of mandatory KYC. They required documents to the users pretending multi-accounts abuse, and ask for other new ones each time the victim sent them.

[Twinkledoe]

Yes, maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC.

For crypto-casinos, I doubt or should not. Centralization shouldn't involve crypto-casinos. KYC can be asked but only within a specific reason such as alarm accounts, unusual withdrawals, big amount withdrawals, or account recovery.

A mandatory KYC should only be applied to fiat casinos, which is actually the current state today. Look at Binance or Kucoin, a fully centralized and regulated, exchange but a basic account can play up to BTC2 withdrawals everyday anonymously (or should I say just with email and phone numbers). If those are allowed, then crypto-casinos should be the same.

That's just a maybe that we might or might not see in the future. With all the intervention the governments are doing with crypto-related stuff and it includes gambling then that only means that there's a chance but that could be very slim.
That very reason why a crypto casino asks for KYC can be changed later on and would be enforced at their will. But it's just a maybe and IMO.

The reason why we like crypto casinos is that we can play anonymously or there's no need for us to submit KYC details. Now, if crypto casinos will be like fiat-based casinos, what would be the advantage now of crypto casinos? Just like harizen mentioned, binance or kucoin, they are just requiring KYC for clients that go beyond the basic accounts, which is already big if you will avail the daily withdrawal limit. So I don't think these crypto casinos will compulsory implement KYC anytime soon for all levels of their clients.

[Oshosondy]

I think the key point here is not legality or illegality, but that legality implies taxes and other extortions. I think most of the people who came to the crypto wanted to be away from government regulation and, accordingly, from taxes / licensing, etc. In fact, all legal casinos are deprived of the advantages that crypto gives us.

I do not really understand gambling taxation but I think that both crypto and fiat gambling industry can be taxed, it is just like saying exchanges can not be taxed, crypto casinos will be registered in a country, they will have a license to run as a crypto gambling online platform, if the tax is mandatory, it will be taken. There are some countries that will even tax winners, but I have used crypto and fiat gambling sites like casino before in which no tax were collected from winners from their winnings, only the gambling sites will have to pay their tax, and this is not difficult for government to make it mandatory for any crypto gambling site operating in their country.

[btc78]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

No I don't because it's dangerous. There had been scams with that.

Please furthermore about How and what are scamming happening when a casino Site is Asking your KYC? How can they  scam you if you are not a willing victim?

Scammers will contact you first and will do necessary strategy to take your funds and if you know how to handle them then there is no chance of you being scammed .

That's my 2 cents on this though I am also not a fan of KYC because i want my privacy remains .

[tabas]

Yes, maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC.

For crypto-casinos, I doubt or should not. Centralization shouldn't involve crypto-casinos. KYC can be asked but only within a specific reason such as alarm accounts, unusual withdrawals, big amount withdrawals, or account recovery.

A mandatory KYC should only be applied to fiat casinos, which is actually the current state today. Look at Binance or Kucoin, a fully centralized and regulated, exchange but a basic account can play up to BTC2 withdrawals everyday anonymously (or should I say just with email and phone numbers). If those are allowed, then crypto-casinos should be the same.

That's just a maybe that we might or might not see in the future. With all the intervention the governments are doing with crypto-related stuff and it includes gambling then that only means that there's a chance but that could be very slim.
That very reason why a crypto casino asks for KYC can be changed later on and would be enforced at their will. But it's just a maybe and IMO.

The reason why we like crypto casinos is that we can play anonymously or there's no need for us to submit KYC details. Now, if crypto casinos will be like fiat-based casinos, what would be the advantage now of crypto casinos? Just like harizen mentioned, binance or kucoin, they are just requiring KYC for clients that go beyond the basic accounts, which is already big if you will avail the daily withdrawal limit. So I don't think these crypto casinos will compulsory implement KYC anytime soon for all levels of their clients.

Crypto casinos won't become fiat-based casinos. That's unlikely but the fiat-based casinos can be crypto casinos because they might adopt cryptocurrencies soon.
And as they adopt cryptocurrencies, as they enforce KYC, it won't be a problem to their users. But with that maybe that I'm saying, we don't know if it's really going to happen in the future.

[ethereumhunter]

Online gambling and casinos site are strictly prohibited but kyc submit is very dangerous. I don't support kyc submission in casinos and gambling fund withdrawl. If it possible where gambling and casinos site fully valid.

You do not need to worry because you will find many crypto gambling sites that do not require you to fill KYC if you use crypto to gambling. After all, they want to make you comfortable playing gambling without requiring you to give a detailed identity. Besides that, many of that site is recommended crypto gambling site, so you can playing gambling without sending your document to them. The withdrawal process itself will no need you to verify your account to finish the withdrawal.

[passwordnow]

Online gambling and casinos site are strictly prohibited

Only for a few countries that have declared it illegal but other than that, gambling, offline and online are fine with most of the countries and even supports it because it's part of the industries for which is the bloodline of a country.

I think the key point here is not legality or illegality, but that legality implies taxes and other extortions. I think most of the people who came to the crypto wanted to be away from government regulation and, accordingly, from taxes / licensing, etc. In fact, all legal casinos are deprived of the advantages that crypto gives us.

What you've said is true too. There are casinos that don't want to be taxed and so they keep hiding in shadows while they're operating without any license from the government because it's probably they want to avoid the taxes. But there's also a possibility that the government doesn't want to give them that license because they don't comply with the requirements so that's what they need. They wouldn't care bout' the license and just continue their operation despite the consequences.

[ReiMomo]

maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC. But for the meantime, I don't want to think about it as long as how crypto works and keeping the identity of the owners privately, that should how it works.

We are talking about crypto casinos, I don't think even in the future it should ask for KYC. In the crypto world, we must respect the privacy of everyone and make it easier to do. So, what for asking KYC for the users? If the users win prizes in gambling, it can be delivered to the users' accounts on the casinos. It is not a complicated thing, which means no need for KYC to validate the data.  

That's right and you have a point here.
But if you will look into a different corner, a gambling site without having KYC to the users will be I guess becomes abuse by the money laundering process because there is a potential after scamming for the people they will use this out of the gambling and withdraw for nothing left online gambling casino and for the this should be convincible of pushing the KYC/AML verifications.

There's nothing we can do about the KTC thing, I guess this will also be required for those gambling sites that follow government law.

[Woodie]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

From my personal experience I honestly think gambling on a casino with no KYC still gets to this if casino wants to run a random or routine check or should they suspect a player is cheating the system and most of the times these KYC  requirements are usually embedded in their t&C which most of us hardly read....and this is why I say they are all the same no escaping KYC.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

Of course not and I don't think they can assure players that our data is safe.

[BitcoinHunt3r]

maybe for some time in the future we're going to see that majority of the casinos will be asking for a KYC. But for the meantime, I don't want to think about it as long as how crypto works and keeping the identity of the owners privately, that should how it works.

We are talking about crypto casinos, I don't think even in the future it should ask for KYC. In the crypto world, we must respect the privacy of everyone and make it easier to do. So, what for asking KYC for the users? If the users win prizes in gambling, it can be delivered to the users' accounts on the casinos. It is not a complicated thing, which means no need for KYC to validate the data.  

That's right and you have a point here.
But if you will look into a different corner, a gambling site without having KYC to the users will be I guess becomes abuse by the money laundering process because there is a potential after scamming for the people they will use this out of the gambling and withdraw for nothing left online gambling casino and for the this should be convincible of pushing the KYC/AML verifications.

There's nothing we can do about the KTC thing, I guess this will also be required for those gambling sites that follow government law.

Well that's one of the reasons why KYC is needed to prevent and minimize crime especially money laundering. Casino sites certainly don't want that but the rules and laws that make them do it, they can't do anything because they have no other choice. I will play on a casino site that doesn't ask for KYC, there are still many choices.

[Silberman]

This is true.The government want to control us to the maximum extent possible.In fiat casinos in almost 100% of the cases you have to pass KYC in order to be approved to play there.So far crypto casinos do not force you into this for small amounts,usually up to 0.01 Bitcoin which is better compared to fiat casinos.I don't think this will change anytime soon so crypto casinos are the way to go.

Only about to happen if you've done somewhat against to their TOS. But if you're clean and you know it, you'll be far to being asked for a KYC. There are gamblers that are from fiat casinos would agree to that, that the crypto casino are way better secure and good in keeping privacy.

Even if you do nothing wrong you can be the subject of KYC verification, one common example is that if you happen to earn a significant amount of money most likely you are going to be hit by a KYC request in order to be able to withdraw your coins, however in this case I do not consider this to be wrong as casinos need to protect themselves from fraud and if the amount is significant it is natural they have their reservations about paying up.

[KTChampions]

I think the key point here is not legality or illegality, but that legality implies taxes and other extortions. I think most of the people who came to the crypto wanted to be away from government regulation and, accordingly, from taxes / licensing, etc. In fact, all legal casinos are deprived of the advantages that crypto gives us.

I do not really understand gambling taxation but I think that both crypto and fiat gambling industry can be taxed, it is just like saying exchanges can not be taxed, crypto casinos will be registered in a country, they will have a license to run as a crypto gambling online platform, if the tax is mandatory, it will be taken. There are some countries that will even tax winners, but I have used crypto and fiat gambling sites like casino before in which no tax were collected from winners from their winnings, only the gambling sites will have to pay their tax, and this is not difficult for government to make it mandatory for any crypto gambling site operating in their country.

In most countries, the player who wins at the casino must pay tax. If you did not do this, then most likely you broke the law (you should have declared this income). Taking into account the fact that winning at a casino is quite rare and taking into account the fact that a player always loses at a distance, the tax on winnings looks like a robbery.

[tabas]

This is true.The government want to control us to the maximum extent possible.In fiat casinos in almost 100% of the cases you have to pass KYC in order to be approved to play there.So far crypto casinos do not force you into this for small amounts,usually up to 0.01 Bitcoin which is better compared to fiat casinos.I don't think this will change anytime soon so crypto casinos are the way to go.

Only about to happen if you've done somewhat against to their TOS. But if you're clean and you know it, you'll be far to being asked for a KYC. There are gamblers that are from fiat casinos would agree to that, that the crypto casino are way better secure and good in keeping privacy.

Even if you do nothing wrong you can be the subject of KYC verification, one common example is that if you happen to earn a significant amount of money most likely you are going to be hit by a KYC request in order to be able to withdraw your coins, however in this case I do not consider this to be wrong as casinos need to protect themselves from fraud and if the amount is significant it is natural they have their reservations about paying up.

That will only happen if your wins are subjective and questionable but if you've got clean wins then you won't be questioned and won't be asked for a KYC.
The casinos have their choice to verify the winner if it's quite high for them and they really have to check it. There's nothing wrong with it if you're subject to it as long as it's a clean win and you didn't do anything wrong.

[dunfida]

This is true.The government want to control us to the maximum extent possible.In fiat casinos in almost 100% of the cases you have to pass KYC in order to be approved to play there.So far crypto casinos do not force you into this for small amounts,usually up to 0.01 Bitcoin which is better compared to fiat casinos.I don't think this will change anytime soon so crypto casinos are the way to go.

Only about to happen if you've done somewhat against to their TOS. But if you're clean and you know it, you'll be far to being asked for a KYC. There are gamblers that are from fiat casinos would agree to that, that the crypto casino are way better secure and good in keeping privacy.

Even if you do nothing wrong you can be the subject of KYC verification, one common example is that if you happen to earn a significant amount of money most likely you are going to be hit by a KYC request in order to be able to withdraw your coins, however in this case I do not consider this to be wrong as casinos need to protect themselves from fraud and if the amount is significant it is natural they have their reservations about paying up.

That will only happen if your wins are subjective and questionable but if you've got clean wins then you won't be questioned and won't be asked for a KYC.
The casinos have their choice to verify the winner if it's quite high for them and they really have to check it. There's nothing wrong with it if you're subject to it as long as it's a clean win and you didn't do anything wrong.

Yeah, and its impossible for someone not to take those things being required specially if we do talk about big winnings on here.For sure they would comply without any doubt unless if those wins do really came on shady act.

Most of casinos here on crypto market is regulated where you can really expect that they can ask out KYC anytime if there's something wrong towards your activity which we shouldnt really ignore
and its been stated always into their ToS.

There's indeed nothing to worry about if you have done nothing.

[Saint-loup]

Please furthermore about How and what are scamming happening when a casino Site is Asking your KYC? How can they  scam you if you are not a willing victim?

Scammers will contact you first and will do necessary strategy to take your funds and if you know how to handle them then there is no chance of you being scammed .

That's my 2 cents on this though I am also not a fan of KYC because i want my privacy remains .

What do you call a willing victim please? How a victim could will to get scammed by somebody? I don't understand. You should pay more attention to the words you are using here, because one can think you are defending scammers and laughing at the victims.
It's very easy to scam people with a mandatory KYC. The scammers just need to ask more documents till the victim is not able to provide them. Or just to reject the documents sent by the victim by saying they are not valid or they are fake.

[ethereumhunter]

Even if you do nothing wrong you can be the subject of KYC verification, one common example is that if you happen to earn a significant amount of money most likely you are going to be hit by a KYC request in order to be able to withdraw your coins, however in this case I do not consider this to be wrong as casinos need to protect themselves from fraud and if the amount is significant it is natural they have their reservations about paying up.

If people send their details to third-party services and third-party services got hacked, all of the customer data can be used for many things. The hacker can sell the data to other party and they will get the money. So it needs more attention if that is related to our identity and does not send your details to any party without you know if they can protect your data or not. Just remember, when your data is upload to the internet, there is no guarantee to make sure your data is safe.

[leea-1334]

What do you call a willing victim please? How a victim could will to get scammed by somebody? I don't understand. You should pay more attention to the words you are using here, because one can think you are defending scammers and laughing at the victims.
It's very easy to scam people with a mandatory KYC. The scammers just need to ask more documents till the victim is not able to provide them. Or just reject the documents sent by the victim by saying they are not valid or they are fake.

Indeed,,, I do not see the difference between a willing and unwilling victim. You are a victim if you got scammed, regardless of whether you gave it up willingly,,, in fact unwilling victims may not even be aware of it.

Definitely sounds like he is not sympathetic to those who got hit by KYC. We know often enough in this forum how many people got tricked by it.

[jostorres]

I think the key point here is not legality or illegality, but that legality implies taxes and other extortions. I think most of the people who came to the crypto wanted to be away from government regulation and, accordingly, from taxes / licensing, etc. In fact, all legal casinos are deprived of the advantages that crypto gives us.

That is a very good observation and I agree that most of the bitcoin gamblers are playing at these small casinos because they want to remain hidden and avoid any taxes otherwise they can register and play a wider range of games at local casinos and some reputed ones online that operate in cash and fiat.

Players must read terms & conditions before playing if they are concerned about KYC because most of the casinos ask for it suddenly once you win big.

[TheGreatPython]

Online gambling and casinos site are strictly prohibited but kyc submit is very dangerous. I don't support kyc submission in casinos and gambling fund withdrawl. If it possible where gambling and casinos site fully valid.

See man I keep it clear and simple for myself. When I gamble at any casino, I usually play with significant amounts and since I trust them with my money, I also trust them with my identity if they ask me. I hardly fall for welcome offers and such lucrative deals because I want to gamble at a trusted casino and there is no way I will ever doubt them if they ask for my identity verification.

Cases may differ with different casino but my point is, if you are able to rely on one particular casino for your money then why not for your documents. It means if we choose right casino for our gambling purposes then we never need to worry for both of our money and documents. As simple as anything.

[tabas]

That will only happen if your wins are subjective and questionable but if you've got clean wins then you won't be questioned and won't be asked for a KYC.
The casinos have their choice to verify the winner if it's quite high for them and they really have to check it. There's nothing wrong with it if you're subject to it as long as it's a clean win and you didn't do anything wrong.

Yeah, and its impossible for someone not to take those things being required specially if we do talk about big winnings on here.For sure they would comply without any doubt unless if those wins do really came on shady act.

Most of casinos here on crypto market is regulated where you can really expect that they can ask out KYC anytime if there's something wrong towards your activity which we shouldnt really ignore
and its been stated always into their ToS.

There's indeed nothing to worry about if you have done nothing.

That's for sure that a gambler will no doubt comply if it involves big amount of winning. Why wouldn't he will take his money? despite the KYC and we don't like it but in situation like that, that will happen. Just don't think too much about KYC and keep gambling if you're enjoying and having fun until you hit big or until you have to stop.

[Saint-loup]

What do you call a willing victim please? How a victim could will to get scammed by somebody? I don't understand. You should pay more attention to the words you are using here, because one can think you are defending scammers and laughing at the victims.
It's very easy to scam people with a mandatory KYC. The scammers just need to ask more documents till the victim is not able to provide them. Or just reject the documents sent by the victim by saying they are not valid or they are fake.

Indeed,,, I do not see the difference between a willing and unwilling victim. You are a victim if you got scammed, regardless of whether you gave it up willingly,,, in fact unwilling victims may not even be aware of it.

Definitely sounds like he is not sympathetic to those who got hit by KYC. We know often enough in this forum how many people got tricked by it.

Yes some people like to despise victims and even to insult them sometimes in order to convince themselves they can't find themselves in this situation. That's a pretty childish way of thinking, I think. Instead of attacking the victims and laughing at them like cowards they should defend them and attack the scammers to stop these noxious practices.

[Ziskinberg]

I think the key point here is not legality or illegality, but that legality implies taxes and other extortions. I think most of the people who came to the crypto wanted to be away from government regulation and, accordingly, from taxes / licensing, etc. In fact, all legal casinos are deprived of the advantages that crypto gives us.

That is a very good observation and I agree that most of the bitcoin gamblers are playing at these small casinos because they want to remain hidden and avoid any taxes otherwise they can register and play a wider range of games at local casinos and some reputed ones online that operate in cash and fiat.

Players must read terms & conditions before playing if they are concerned about KYC because most of the casinos ask for it suddenly once you win big.

Whatever we think about it, it's still the government that would dictate us, if we say they will regulate crypto, which includes any business related to it. And since we like casinos to owned a license so we can trust them, that also means we have to sacrifice our privacy or anonymity as anything that is regulated by the government, they have control over it and they will require all the basic standards in a business, and that includes the KYC requirement.

[leea-1334]

Yes some people like to despise victims and even to insult them sometimes in order to convince themselves they can't find themselves in this situation. That's a pretty childish way of thinking, I think. Instead of attacking the victims and laughing at them like cowards they should defend them and attack the scammers to stop these noxious practices.

Unfortunately my friend in crypto and in gambling you see the most degenerate people,,, yes myself included:) I have never seen in a real place people beg for money or complain about rules but here,,, people complain for FREE things and when they have to follow the rules, they will make it such a big uproar. Very childish people act online,,, and would never do this in real life. Sad but being online makes them think they are anonymous:)

[Natalim]

Yes some people like to despise victims and even to insult them sometimes in order to convince themselves they can't find themselves in this situation. That's a pretty childish way of thinking, I think. Instead of attacking the victims and laughing at them like cowards they should defend them and attack the scammers to stop these noxious practices.

Unfortunately my friend in crypto and in gambling you see the most degenerate people,,, yes myself included:) I have never seen in a real place people beg for money or complain about rules but here,,, people complain for FREE things and when they have to follow the rules, they will make it such a big uproar. Very childish people act online,,, and would never do this in real life. Sad but being online makes them think they are anonymous:)

Complaining is bad in gambling, it only shows that you are not focused and you are not willing to accept the risk, or worst you don't even know the risk. Because we are gambling, we should assume that we are mature enough, we understand the risk, and we accepted it.

KYC is not a problem if we understand it's the rules of a regulated casino, of course we can find other casinos but we should understand that anonymous gambling is risky compared to gambling with KYC as casinos could disappear if they are not licensed.

when we say they are licensed, expect they will require a KYC< maybe not now, but maybe in the long run.

[shoreno]

1. Before we play we can read the t.o.s of a crypto casino to know if they require a kyc or not  . If they require a kyc right at the start , I won't play on them but I can play on a casino that doesn't require kyc during the sign up period . They may only require it before you withdrew and thats because your withdrawal is over the stated limit . I can do this if I won huge amount of cash unexpectedly because if I won't , my money will get forfeited. 

2. I feel safe of course because I don't play on a shady casino but I always make sure that before I play , Im on the safest casino .

[Obito]

1. As long as the KYC needed aren't that invasive to my privacy and they don't ask for too much data, I think that I will go and play on that online casino plus it helps me in the long run when I win something big, I wouldn't get hassled by complying to a KYC.

2.  To be honest, I don't feel safe giving away my information but if that's the only way to access the site and play there, I guess I'll just have to comply with it but again as long as it isn't asking for too much then we will not have any problem.

[michellee]

I think the key point here is not legality or illegality, but that legality implies taxes and other extortions. I think most of the people who came to the crypto wanted to be away from government regulation and, accordingly, from taxes / licensing, etc. In fact, all legal casinos are deprived of the advantages that crypto gives us.

That is a very good observation and I agree that most of the bitcoin gamblers are playing at these small casinos because they want to remain hidden and avoid any taxes otherwise they can register and play a wider range of games at local casinos and some reputed ones online that operate in cash and fiat.

Players must read terms & conditions before playing if they are concerned about KYC because most of the casinos ask for it suddenly once you win big.

Whatever we think about it, it's still the government that would dictate us, if we say they will regulate crypto, which includes any business related to it. And since we like casinos to owned a license so we can trust them, that also means we have to sacrifice our privacy or anonymity as anything that is regulated by the government, they have control over it and they will require all the basic standards in a business, and that includes the KYC requirement.

We can choose what casino we can use to gamble as I am sure that not all crypto gambling will follow the regulations and ask their members to fill KYC. We can find a casino with a license and do not require the members to fill KYC. If the casino can do this, they can get many members who will play on their site as the casino can give anonymity to them. A crypto gambler wants to hide their identity from others and the casino, so the casino will understand that.

[Text]

We can choose what casino we can use to gamble as I am sure that not all crypto gambling will follow the regulations and ask their members to fill KYC. We can find a casino with a license and do not require the members to fill KYC. If the casino can do this, they can get many members who will play on their site as the casino can give anonymity to them. A crypto gambler wants to hide their identity from others and the casino, so the casino will understand that.

It is perhaps rare today to see a pure crypto gambling site that has not been regulated.  So if they are not regulated, they also do not have a license to operate.  That is why it is very risky to gamble on such a platform.  There are still some of them that KYC is not mandatory, it is only required in case a lot of money is coming in and out of your account such as winning a huge amount and reaching the limit.

[jrrsparkles]

We can choose what casino we can use to gamble as I am sure that not all crypto gambling will follow the regulations and ask their members to fill KYC. We can find a casino with a license and do not require the members to fill KYC. If the casino can do this, they can get many members who will play on their site as the casino can give anonymity to them. A crypto gambler wants to hide their identity from others and the casino, so the casino will understand that.

It is perhaps rare today to see a pure crypto gambling site that has not been regulated.  So if they are not regulated, they also do not have a license to operate.  That is why it is very risky to gamble on such a platform.  There are still some of them that KYC is not mandatory, it is only required in case a lot of money is coming in and out of your account such as winning a huge amount and reaching the limit.

Some casinos operated without any license for years and build their reputation while lot other got some license for the sake of getting it and ran away with gambler's money so we should never take that casinos which is having some kind of license will not scam you because it is much easier now and can even get them via online.

[Kittygalore]

1. If I can avoid having KYC and still have some gambling sites that are not requiring, I would probably avoid it but that can only take so long before every site has to comply with the norm.

[leea-1334]

Unfortunately my friend in crypto and in gambling you see the most degenerate people,,, yes myself included:) I have never seen in a real place people beg for money or complain about rules but here,,, people complain for FREE things and when they have to follow the rules, they will make it such a big uproar. Very childish people act online,,, and would never do this in real life. Sad but being online makes them think they are anonymous:)

Complaining is bad in gambling, it only shows that you are not focused and you are not willing to accept the risk, or worst you don't even know the risk. Because we are gambling, we should assume that we are mature enough, we understand the risk, and we accepted it.

KYC is not a problem if we understand it's the rules of a regulated casino, of course we can find other casinos but we should understand that anonymous gambling is risky compared to gambling with KYC as casinos could disappear if they are not licensed.

when we say they are licensed, expect they will require a KYC< maybe not now, but maybe in the long run.

Well,,, people are people and they always complain. Awareness of risk is unusual. Everybody knows the risk but they ignore the facts. That losing is most likely what will happen to you, and most likely to happen quicker than you expect.

But this what I am talking about is RULES and free things. People get it and then complain the prizes are not big enough, or the rules are too strict. Well, then do not use it!:)

[$crypto$]

1. If I can avoid having KYC and still have some gambling sites that are not requiring, I would probably avoid it but that can only take so long before every site has to comply with the norm.

Many of the sites available here don't have the required KYC, even though it's been several years since the site was established KYC has never been enforced meaning they want to remain anonymous gambling in crypto people will be free to do anything except abuse it.
Including the KYC rules that apply to some gambling sites, it has become their regulation, we can't avoid it unless you want to keep playing there, you have to follow the rules.
It doesn't take long for us to just choose which anonymous site we like that supports crypto.

[yayayo]

It is a thing that has been discussed many times already. The point from crypto gambling should be that is must be anonymous as possible, but how should a casino act when they suspect a player of serious fraudulent behavior? Then they can not just process the withdrawal and close the accounts. The company has also duties in this scenario, depending of course where the license comes from. If you do not have nothing to hide, and played a clean game, then the KYC could be walked through easily, I guess. However, we see more and more people facing difficulties with the KYC procedure.

ya.ya.yo!

[michellee]

We can choose what casino we can use to gamble as I am sure that not all crypto gambling will follow the regulations and ask their members to fill KYC. We can find a casino with a license and do not require the members to fill KYC. If the casino can do this, they can get many members who will play on their site as the casino can give anonymity to them. A crypto gambler wants to hide their identity from others and the casino, so the casino will understand that.

It is perhaps rare today to see a pure crypto gambling site that has not been regulated.  So if they are not regulated, they also do not have a license to operate.  That is why it is very risky to gamble on such a platform.  There are still some of them that KYC is not mandatory, it is only required in case a lot of money is coming in and out of your account such as winning a huge amount and reaching the limit.

The importance of this thing is always to be careful because whether that casino has a license or not, does not guarantee that the casino will not scam its members. If we can have a gambling site with reputations and that casino is one of the top gambling sites, that will be enough for us to play gambling on that site. They will not try to make a mistake and will not try to scam their members. We can choose whatever we want, and as long as we can take care of ourselves, we will be okay.

[KTChampions]

I think the key point here is not legality or illegality, but that legality implies taxes and other extortions. I think most of the people who came to the crypto wanted to be away from government regulation and, accordingly, from taxes / licensing, etc. In fact, all legal casinos are deprived of the advantages that crypto gives us.

That is a very good observation and I agree that most of the bitcoin gamblers are playing at these small casinos because they want to remain hidden and avoid any taxes otherwise they can register and play a wider range of games at local casinos and some reputed ones online that operate in cash and fiat.

Players must read terms & conditions before playing if they are concerned about KYC because most of the casinos ask for it suddenly once you win big.

Avoiding taxes is perfectly reasonable and in many cases it is the only reasonable option. As far as I know, in some states in the United States, the player is required to pay tax on every winning bet. That is, if you lost 5 times and won 5 times (your profit is zero), then you must pay tax on 5 won bets. This is absurd.

[mv1986]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

It depends a lot on the reputation a casino has. If it is one with real standing and good history with close to no complaints from players, I would tend to be perhaps be inclined to share data. The problem is that they use (abuse) KYC often to make your life a bit harder.

[Silberman]

Even if you do nothing wrong you can be the subject of KYC verification, one common example is that if you happen to earn a significant amount of money most likely you are going to be hit by a KYC request in order to be able to withdraw your coins, however in this case I do not consider this to be wrong as casinos need to protect themselves from fraud and if the amount is significant it is natural they have their reservations about paying up.

If people send their details to third-party services and third-party services got hacked, all of the customer data can be used for many things. The hacker can sell the data to other party and they will get the money. So it needs more attention if that is related to our identity and does not send your details to any party without you know if they can protect your data or not. Just remember, when your data is upload to the internet, there is no guarantee to make sure your data is safe.

Which is why we must gamble only in casinos that have developed a good reputation over the years, people give their personal information too easily these days, just take a look at what happens in social media, and this is a mistake because you can be sure that once you upload your data to a website you have no control over it and someone has access to that information even if they say they have deleted it as it is impossible to enforce the laws that have to do with our privacy online and it is likely many business decide to not even try to comply despite the law.

[ethereumhunter]

Even if you do nothing wrong you can be the subject of KYC verification, one common example is that if you happen to earn a significant amount of money most likely you are going to be hit by a KYC request in order to be able to withdraw your coins, however in this case I do not consider this to be wrong as casinos need to protect themselves from fraud and if the amount is significant it is natural they have their reservations about paying up.

If people send their details to third-party services and third-party services got hacked, all of the customer data can be used for many things. The hacker can sell the data to other party and they will get the money. So it needs more attention if that is related to our identity and does not send your details to any party without you know if they can protect your data or not. Just remember, when your data is upload to the internet, there is no guarantee to make sure your data is safe.

Which is why we must gamble only in casinos that have developed a good reputation over the years, people give their personal information too easily these days, just take a look at what happens in social media, and this is a mistake because you can be sure that once you upload your data to a website you have no control over it and someone has access to that information even if they say they have deleted it as it is impossible to enforce the laws that have to do with our privacy online and it is likely many business decide to not even try to comply despite the law.

Yeah, you are right. I think those people underestimate that and they did that because they want to get something, so they challenge the risk. They do not know what will happen if someone hacks the data. They maybe do not even think about what the hacker can do with that data. If we only want to play gambling, we can select a gambling site that does not have a verification but that site has a good reputation, so we do not have to worry about the bad things.

[mv1986]

Even if you do nothing wrong you can be the subject of KYC verification, one common example is that if you happen to earn a significant amount of money most likely you are going to be hit by a KYC request in order to be able to withdraw your coins, however in this case I do not consider this to be wrong as casinos need to protect themselves from fraud and if the amount is significant it is natural they have their reservations about paying up.

If people send their details to third-party services and third-party services got hacked, all of the customer data can be used for many things. The hacker can sell the data to other party and they will get the money. So it needs more attention if that is related to our identity and does not send your details to any party without you know if they can protect your data or not. Just remember, when your data is upload to the internet, there is no guarantee to make sure your data is safe.

Which is why we must gamble only in casinos that have developed a good reputation over the years, people give their personal information too easily these days, just take a look at what happens in social media, and this is a mistake because you can be sure that once you upload your data to a website you have no control over it and someone has access to that information even if they say they have deleted it as it is impossible to enforce the laws that have to do with our privacy online and it is likely many business decide to not even try to comply despite the law.

Yeah, you are right. I think those people underestimate that and they did that because they want to get something, so they challenge the risk. They do not know what will happen if someone hacks the data. They maybe do not even think about what the hacker can do with that data. If we only want to play gambling, we can select a gambling site that does not have a verification but that site has a good reputation, so we do not have to worry about the bad things.

It doesn't even require a hacker if a casino seems to be reputable, collects your data when you want to cash out and also sells your data to hackers. They don't even have to do the hacking then. That's why the general rule should be that everyone is in a best case scenario one's own best data protector.

[ethereumhunter]

It doesn't even require a hacker if a casino seems to be reputable, collects your data when you want to cash out and also sells your data to hackers. They don't even have to do the hacking then. That's why the general rule should be that everyone is in a best case scenario one's own best data protector.

The casino can do anything to your data. Even if they want to sell the data, they can do that. It is why we really need to care about our data and not easily send the data to a third party if we are not sure. We should concern the hacker as they can enter the website easily, especially if the website can not protect their site because we already read about many hacking cases on the internet.

[hahay]

It doesn't even require a hacker if a casino seems to be reputable, collects your data when you want to cash out and also sells your data to hackers. They don't even have to do the hacking then. That's why the general rule should be that everyone is in a best case scenario one's own best data protector.

The casino can do anything to your data. Even if they want to sell the data, they can do that. It is why we really need to care about our data and not easily send the data to a third party if we are not sure. We should concern the hacker as they can enter the website easily, especially if the website can not protect their site because we already read about many hacking cases on the internet.

That is awareness about the value of personal data, if they do not have that awareness and or maybe do it because there is no other way, then of course they must be prepared to take the risk. In today's crypto circles it's not completely anonymous and it's not only about gambling, at first I was personally reluctant to KYC but if it's related to personal interest in using related sites that request KYC, then it becomes the final way for KYC but if it's about gambling sites that ask for KYC basically there are many other crypto gambling sites available, so I prefer to avoid KYC because there are still many better options out there.

[mv1986]

It doesn't even require a hacker if a casino seems to be reputable, collects your data when you want to cash out and also sells your data to hackers. They don't even have to do the hacking then. That's why the general rule should be that everyone is in a best case scenario one's own best data protector.

The casino can do anything to your data. Even if they want to sell the data, they can do that. It is why we really need to care about our data and not easily send the data to a third party if we are not sure. We should concern the hacker as they can enter the website easily, especially if the website can not protect their site because we already read about many hacking cases on the internet.

That doesn't only happen with Casinos. I just found out that public authorities sell sensitive data, mobile service providers sell sensitive data, literally anybody sells sensitiv data and the biggest issue is you can't prove who it was. I once got a call from a bank I have never been a customer with and they asked whether I want to proceed with m loan request. Indeed I found a kind of official request in my digital records that I never made. How could they even call me if I didn't have a bank account with them? See, data will be a huge issue in the future and that is why I still believe there is a blockchain required that perfectly manages digital identity in a way that only you can grand access to your data. I know there are a few, but none of them seems to be the holy grail yet.

[wildan88]

Some betting sites are required to perform the KYC procedure. This again has everything to do with the country where the company is located and where the gambling license was obtained. This can have consequences for legislation and regulations. What you unfortunately often see is that players are accepted at all times, but the moment a player requests a payout, they are actively asked for the KYC. Then you should turn off this procedure before making a deposit.

[BuNga_cute]

It doesn't even require a hacker if a casino seems to be reputable, collects your data when you want to cash out and also sells your data to hackers. They don't even have to do the hacking then. That's why the general rule should be that everyone is in a best case scenario one's own best data protector.

The casino can do anything to your data. Even if they want to sell the data, they can do that. It is why we really need to care about our data and not easily send the data to a third party if we are not sure. We should concern the hacker as they can enter the website easily, especially if the website can not protect their site because we already read about many hacking cases on the internet.

That is awareness about the value of personal data, if they do not have that awareness and or maybe do it because there is no other way, then of course they must be prepared to take the risk. In today's crypto circles it's not completely anonymous and it's not only about gambling, at first I was personally reluctant to KYC but if it's related to personal interest in using related sites that request KYC, then it becomes the final way for KYC but if it's about gambling sites that ask for KYC basically there are many other crypto gambling sites available, so I prefer to avoid KYC because there are still many better options out there.

We all really don't want our personal data to be spread or sold to other parties. Therefore, most online gamblers look for gambling platforms that
do not apply KYC. Fortunately for now there are still many options gambling platforms that do not apply KYC, but don't know in the future,
because surely the government wants to regulate online gambling. Actually agree or not in the end we really have to be ready with all
the possibilities that will happen, but I hope not in the near future the government will impose KYC on online gambling.

[DoublerHunter]

It doesn't even require a hacker if a casino seems to be reputable, collects your data when you want to cash out and also sells your data to hackers. They don't even have to do the hacking then. That's why the general rule should be that everyone is in a best case scenario one's own best data protector.

The casino can do anything to your data. Even if they want to sell the data, they can do that. It is why we really need to care about our data and not easily send the data to a third party if we are not sure. We should concern the hacker as they can enter the website easily, especially if the website can not protect their site because we already read about many hacking cases on the internet.

^ That is what they called a data breach, once it is breached, possibly all data was collected by the site will sell to the scammer and will probably use your data in scamming activity. But I think level 1 verification needs an ID verification, most likely it is only your Gmail account, phone number, and your name, as long as there is no ID verification, probably you are safe. I think for now, as long as you can avoid it, just do it until there is no choice is to complement the KYC implementation.

[Silberman]

Which is why we must gamble only in casinos that have developed a good reputation over the years, people give their personal information too easily these days, just take a look at what happens in social media, and this is a mistake because you can be sure that once you upload your data to a website you have no control over it and someone has access to that information even if they say they have deleted it as it is impossible to enforce the laws that have to do with our privacy online and it is likely many business decide to not even try to comply despite the law.

Yeah, you are right. I think those people underestimate that and they did that because they want to get something, so they challenge the risk. They do not know what will happen if someone hacks the data. They maybe do not even think about what the hacker can do with that data. If we only want to play gambling, we can select a gambling site that does not have a verification but that site has a good reputation, so we do not have to worry about the bad things.

And the problem is not only the personal information that people give to websites that require that information out of you like casinos or exchanges, the amount of information that people post in social media about their lives is impressive to the point that you can get to know almost everything about the life of that person through their social media accounts and many forget what they have posted online only to be reminded of it once they lose a job opportunity because of what they have posted online many years ago, proving that what we do online can have important repercussions with what we do in real life.

[ethereumhunter]

Which is why we must gamble only in casinos that have developed a good reputation over the years, people give their personal information too easily these days, just take a look at what happens in social media, and this is a mistake because you can be sure that once you upload your data to a website you have no control over it and someone has access to that information even if they say they have deleted it as it is impossible to enforce the laws that have to do with our privacy online and it is likely many business decide to not even try to comply despite the law.

Yeah, you are right. I think those people underestimate that and they did that because they want to get something, so they challenge the risk. They do not know what will happen if someone hacks the data. They maybe do not even think about what the hacker can do with that data. If we only want to play gambling, we can select a gambling site that does not have a verification but that site has a good reputation, so we do not have to worry about the bad things.

And the problem is not only the personal information that people give to websites that require that information out of you like casinos or exchanges, the amount of information that people post in social media about their lives is impressive to the point that you can get to know almost everything about the life of that person through their social media accounts and many forget what they have posted online only to be reminded of it once they lose a job opportunity because of what they have posted online many years ago, proving that what we do online can have important repercussions with what we do in real life.

I can not think why people tend to post their daily lives on social media because it can make them in danger. It can attract people who do not like them to do something because I heard that a crime could easily happen by watching their daily post on social media. Maybe it is different from the KYC and the casino, but that is just a sample of how dangerous our life is if we post something about our daily lives. And if we really send the personal data to the other third party, that will give them a chance to do something bad to our data. We do not want to see our data will be used for any illegal things so we need to prevent that by not giving the data easily.

[Silberman]

Which is why we must gamble only in casinos that have developed a good reputation over the years, people give their personal information too easily these days, just take a look at what happens in social media, and this is a mistake because you can be sure that once you upload your data to a website you have no control over it and someone has access to that information even if they say they have deleted it as it is impossible to enforce the laws that have to do with our privacy online and it is likely many business decide to not even try to comply despite the law.

Yeah, you are right. I think those people underestimate that and they did that because they want to get something, so they challenge the risk. They do not know what will happen if someone hacks the data. They maybe do not even think about what the hacker can do with that data. If we only want to play gambling, we can select a gambling site that does not have a verification but that site has a good reputation, so we do not have to worry about the bad things.

And the problem is not only the personal information that people give to websites that require that information out of you like casinos or exchanges, the amount of information that people post in social media about their lives is impressive to the point that you can get to know almost everything about the life of that person through their social media accounts and many forget what they have posted online only to be reminded of it once they lose a job opportunity because of what they have posted online many years ago, proving that what we do online can have important repercussions with what we do in real life.

I can not think why people tend to post their daily lives on social media because it can make them in danger. It can attract people who do not like them to do something because I heard that a crime could easily happen by watching their daily post on social media. Maybe it is different from the KYC and the casino, but that is just a sample of how dangerous our life is if we post something about our daily lives. And if we really send the personal data to the other third party, that will give them a chance to do something bad to our data. We do not want to see our data will be used for any illegal things so we need to prevent that by not giving the data easily.

I do not understand why people do it but there is a lot of evidence that people in fact do it, people post about their lives and the lives of those that they know and they even post where they will be and when, so it is not surprising to me they are not afraid to pass any kind of verification in order to obtain a service, but for the people that actually care about their privacy this is terrible as the more people there are that comply the more difficult it is to make use of a service and not have these kind of conditions to be put in place in order for us to make use of it.

[Saint-loup]

1. If I can avoid having KYC and still have some gambling sites that are not requiring, I would probably avoid it but that can only take so long before every site has to comply with the norm.

I don't think so, several gambling games are fully decentralized and are working directly on blockchain, moreover many gambling sites are located in fiscal paradises so they don't really care of KYC or AML

[stomachgrowls]

1. If I can avoid having KYC and still have some gambling sites that are not requiring, I would probably avoid it but that can only take so long before every site has to comply with the norm.

I don't think so, several gambling games are fully decentralized and are working directly on blockchain, moreover many gambling sites are located in fiscal paradises so they don't really care of KYC or AML

Not that much even though they arent requiring some KYC or verification doesnt mean that these platforms are decentralized. Lets put up aside those blockchain-based type of games which are understandable where they dont need on complying something nor being regulated.

Lets go back into those gambling sites that hasnt asked out yet for some verification as of this moment but if you do tend to look at into their terms and conditions then they can anytime do ask out those documentations for some specific situations.

Only a few had really go into full scale where they do ask out before you can play just like what happened in Roobet but those are just minimal informations needed.

[semobo]

1. If I can avoid having KYC and still have some gambling sites that are not requiring, I would probably avoid it but that can only take so long before every site has to comply with the norm.

I don't think so, several gambling games are fully decentralized and are working directly on blockchain, moreover many gambling sites are located in fiscal paradises so they don't really care of KYC or AML

There is no such thing called decentralized gambling site is exists, there are few decentralized blockchain games are available but if we talk about the sites then it is always under the ownership of someone and there is nothing wrong with it. Well casinos don't have the intentions of collecting your KYC but the government wants them to do for AML purpose so these sites have to collect them and report it to the government if there is a need for it.

[Natalim]

1. If I can avoid having KYC and still have some gambling sites that are not requiring, I would probably avoid it but that can only take so long before every site has to comply with the norm.

I don't think so, several gambling games are fully decentralized and are working directly on blockchain, moreover many gambling sites are located in fiscal paradises so they don't really care of KYC or AML

There is no such thing called decentralized gambling site is exists, there are few decentralized blockchain games are available but if we talk about the sites then it is always under the ownership of someone and there is nothing wrong with it. Well casinos don't have the intentions of collecting your KYC but the government wants them to do for AML purpose so these sites have to collect them and report it to the government if there is a need for it.

The only decentralized gambling site I saw before was Directbet.eu, no need to register, send bitcoin to your address and they'll send it right away once your bet won, it's very popular in the past but they did not last long, they got close, probably the regulators came to play. 

we can search a lot about Directbet in this forum, like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1928229.0 and this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193242.0

[Oasisman]

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Well casinos don't have the intentions of collecting your KYC but the government wants them to do for AML purpose so these sites have to collect them and report it to the government if there is a need for it.

Correct. These can be all mandatory for the gambling websites and exchanges, because the authorities will come and check on it once in a while. The least that a gambling site or exchange can do for the people who doesn't want to pass KYC is to limit their withdrawal amount. Thus, forcing them to submit one.
It is true that the main purpose for the KYC verification is for the AML, but any gambling website could always take advantage of these information they have in their system.
So, here comes the importance of choosing the most trusted online casino.

[Silberman]

1. If I can avoid having KYC and still have some gambling sites that are not requiring, I would probably avoid it but that can only take so long before every site has to comply with the norm.

I don't think so, several gambling games are fully decentralized and are working directly on blockchain, moreover many gambling sites are located in fiscal paradises so they don't really care of KYC or AML

There is no such thing called decentralized gambling site is exists, there are few decentralized blockchain games are available but if we talk about the sites then it is always under the ownership of someone and there is nothing wrong with it. Well casinos don't have the intentions of collecting your KYC but the government wants them to do for AML purpose so these sites have to collect them and report it to the government if there is a need for it.

It is obvious that most of the owners of cryptocurrency casinos know that people in this market like their privacy and they do not want to pass any kind of KYC policy but there is no other way around it, governments ask for this and even if they try avoid this as much as possible there are instances in which they have to do it, like when a person is using big amounts of money to bet constantly and they need to verify the identity of that customer so governments can most likely go after him for tax purposes.

[johhnyUA]

Correct. These can be all mandatory for the gambling websites and exchanges, because the authorities will come and check on it once in a while. The least that a gambling site or exchange can do for the people who doesn't want to pass KYC is to limit their withdrawal amount. Thus, forcing them to submit one.
It is true that the main purpose for the KYC verification is for the AML, but any gambling website could always take advantage of these information they have in their system.
So, here comes the importance of choosing the most trusted online casino.

No. If we are talking about offshore based gambling business (like with many online casinos) there will no be problems with government. So there is no reason for them to ask for KYC. This is not the same as 365bet site which based in UK, so he need to make KYC, because he is under regulations. No. This is just greedy and cunning casinos want to receive your docs.

[Hypnosis00]

Correct. These can be all mandatory for the gambling websites and exchanges, because the authorities will come and check on it once in a while. The least that a gambling site or exchange can do for the people who doesn't want to pass KYC is to limit their withdrawal amount. Thus, forcing them to submit one.
It is true that the main purpose for the KYC verification is for the AML, but any gambling website could always take advantage of these information they have in their system.
So, here comes the importance of choosing the most trusted online casino.

No. If we are talking about offshore based gambling business (like with many online casinos) there will no be problems with government. So there is no reason for them to ask for KYC. This is not the same as 365bet site which based in UK, so he need to make KYC, because he is under regulations. No. This is just greedy and cunning casinos want to receive your docs.

That's a good point because based on my observation, most casinos I played do not ask for KYC, so crypto casinos are still good for me. However, if regulation changes and they'll require a KYC, then there's nothing I could do but follow. I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

[dunfida]

Correct. These can be all mandatory for the gambling websites and exchanges, because the authorities will come and check on it once in a while. The least that a gambling site or exchange can do for the people who doesn't want to pass KYC is to limit their withdrawal amount. Thus, forcing them to submit one.
It is true that the main purpose for the KYC verification is for the AML, but any gambling website could always take advantage of these information they have in their system.
So, here comes the importance of choosing the most trusted online casino.

No. If we are talking about offshore based gambling business (like with many online casinos) there will no be problems with government. So there is no reason for them to ask for KYC. This is not the same as 365bet site which based in UK, so he need to make KYC, because he is under regulations. No. This is just greedy and cunning casinos want to receive your docs.

That's a good point because based on my observation, most casinos I played do not ask for KYC, so crypto casinos are still good for me. However, if regulation changes and they'll require a KYC, then there's nothing I could do but follow. I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

If you do really love the platform then you would surely comply on whats been asked and wont mind about those verifications but this would only be good if you dont have any choice but if you can still find another place which wont require such verification then i would simply go skip into that
rather than on giving out my details.
Its a personal choice and acceptance in terms like this because not all would really be willing on giving out information on that simply as long they can
find another place then that would be the best option for them including me.

[harizen]

I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

I have to disagree. Although in general, we are risking money at both, activities in exchanges and casinos are different so I can't consider the latter should also be mandated by KYC. Let the casinos be regulated but not too much. Crypto-gamblers should still feel the advantage of playing in a crypto-casino. No difference when you played at fiat casinos if that will be the case.

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

[FatFork]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

Fortunately, you're still right. Let's hope it stays that way.

I agree that casinos and crypto exchanges should not be treated in the same way when it comes to anti-money laundering policies. Unless the cryptocurrency can be exchanged for fiat at the casino.

[MCobian]

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That's a good point because based on my observation, most casinos I played do not ask for KYC, so crypto casinos are still good for me. However, if regulation changes and they'll require a KYC, then there's nothing I could do but follow. I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

If you do really love the platform then you would surely comply on whats been asked and wont mind about those verifications but this would only be good if you dont have any choice but if you can still find another place which wont require such verification then i would simply go skip into that
rather than on giving out my details.
Its a personal choice and acceptance in terms like this because not all would really be willing on giving out information on that simply as long they can
find another place then that would be the best option for them including me.

I'm sure most gamblers who play online gambling prefer platforms that don't apply KYC. Because it is very uncomfortable to play gambling
but must submit our personal data. Therefore, I have almost the same thoughts as you, when it comes to being comfortable with certain platforms.
But suddenly these platforms apply KYC, I will try to find other platforms that do not apply KYC. I'm sure there will always be platforms that
offer gambling without the need to do a KYC procedure.

[shield132]

I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

I have to disagree. Although in general, we are risking money at both, activities in exchanges and casinos are different so I can't consider the latter should also be mandated by KYC. Let the casinos be regulated but not too much. Crypto-gamblers should still feel the advantage of playing in a crypto-casino. No difference when you played at fiat casinos if that will be the case.

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But fiat casinos still don't accept bitcoin and crypto payments, right? It's another task how things should be and another one - how things work. Government pushes gambling websites to collect the data of their customers in case there is a doubt of money laundering, etc. To be fair, sometimes casinos take the advantage of this "rule" and ask customers for KYC when they lose. None casino will ask you for KYC if you deposit and lose the whole capital even if the money is laundered.
There aren't a lot of options and there is a huge difference even between those "options". Top crypto casinos that ask KYC offer you superior experience compared to other ones and are already highly trusted in this industry. The same applies to exchanges and if it's more ok for you to give KYC to exchanges, then congrats, Binance has an official partner (or maybe they own it, idk) bplay.org where you con login via binance credentials. But... Compare yourself bplay to Bitsler, Stake, Sportsbet and others, you'll see the difference.

[tabas]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But what if they suddenly asked you for KYC and your funds were stuck there? I think I'll just have to do it if that happens to me. I've seen some situations told that in the forum that they've been through with that.
After the compliance, then that will be the time I'll choose with the other options.

[hahay]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But what if they suddenly asked you for KYC and your funds were stuck there? I think I'll just have to do it if that happens to me. I've seen some situations told that in the forum that they've been through with that.
After the compliance, then that will be the time I'll choose with the other options.

Yes it becomes a different situation and requires us to give KYC, even though we are not ready for that but if we still need the money then there is nothing else we can do but give KYC. It's a different case if it's just a small amount of money and we can still let the money go, then we can leave the site and look for something else but indeed, giving KYC seems like it would be easy to do on exchanges not on gambling sites.

[john_nautica]

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

At first of course not I don't just give my private documents online some cheap casinos or gambling sites ask KYC of course you don't want your personal information submitted to anyone if it is a reputable and known casino and if it is necessary then I don't have any choice but to submit it before I can withdraw.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

No, not just in online gambling site but even in exchange sites that would ask KYC or to any services that would ask KYC since its private document and you are not sure where are you going to send it exactly.

[Oasisman]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But what if they suddenly asked you for KYC and your funds were stuck there? I think I'll just have to do it if that happens to me. I've seen some situations told that in the forum that they've been through with that.
After the compliance, then that will be the time I'll choose with the other options.

You won't get into that situation If you didn't violated the terms of conditions. They can't just freeze your account just because they wanted to, otherwise it's the company's  violation and you can report it to the authorities.
Those you have read in the forums about frozen accounts might've overlooked the deposit and withdrawal rules limit. So they were asked to pass the KYC procedure.

[ethereumhunter]

Which is why we must gamble only in casinos that have developed a good reputation over the years, people give their personal information too easily these days, just take a look at what happens in social media, and this is a mistake because you can be sure that once you upload your data to a website you have no control over it and someone has access to that information even if they say they have deleted it as it is impossible to enforce the laws that have to do with our privacy online and it is likely many business decide to not even try to comply despite the law.

Yeah, you are right. I think those people underestimate that and they did that because they want to get something, so they challenge the risk. They do not know what will happen if someone hacks the data. They maybe do not even think about what the hacker can do with that data. If we only want to play gambling, we can select a gambling site that does not have a verification but that site has a good reputation, so we do not have to worry about the bad things.

And the problem is not only the personal information that people give to websites that require that information out of you like casinos or exchanges, the amount of information that people post in social media about their lives is impressive to the point that you can get to know almost everything about the life of that person through their social media accounts and many forget what they have posted online only to be reminded of it once they lose a job opportunity because of what they have posted online many years ago, proving that what we do online can have important repercussions with what we do in real life.

I can not think why people tend to post their daily lives on social media because it can make them in danger. It can attract people who do not like them to do something because I heard that a crime could easily happen by watching their daily post on social media. Maybe it is different from the KYC and the casino, but that is just a sample of how dangerous our life is if we post something about our daily lives. And if we really send the personal data to the other third party, that will give them a chance to do something bad to our data. We do not want to see our data will be used for any illegal things so we need to prevent that by not giving the data easily.

I do not understand why people do it but there is a lot of evidence that people in fact do it, people post about their lives and the lives of those that they know and they even post where they will be and when, so it is not surprising to me they are not afraid to pass any kind of verification in order to obtain a service, but for the people that actually care about their privacy this is terrible as the more people there are that comply the more difficult it is to make use of a service and not have these kind of conditions to be put in place in order for us to make use of it.

Maybe the reason is that they want to share their life with other people out there. But if they realize the risk, they will not do that to put their lives in danger. That is a small example for verifying or stating that we will do something or already did something. We can not imagine what if we send our documents to the other company we do not know where they operate, and we let them protect our data. We will regret to send the data if we know that they can not do their job to protect the data.

[Karartma1]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But what if they suddenly asked you for KYC and your funds were stuck there? I think I'll just have to do it if that happens to me. I've seen some situations told that in the forum that they've been through with that.
After the compliance, then that will be the time I'll choose with the other options.

You won't get into that situation If you didn't violated the terms of conditions. They can't just freeze your account just because they wanted to, otherwise it's the company's  violation and you can report it to the authorities.
Those you have read in the forums about frozen accounts might've overlooked the deposit and withdrawal rules limit. So they were asked to pass the KYC procedure.

What if they are not regulated? In that case there are no authorities to report to. Never trust any company like those on the internet and in the end always consider your funds and your data at risk.
And never think they can't freeze your account: they can do whatever they want.

[delfastTions]

What if they are not regulated? In that case there are no authorities to report to. Never trust any company like those on the internet and in the end always consider your funds and your data at risk.
And never think they can't freeze your account: they can do whatever they want.

Of course they can do whatever they want.  
This is especially true if you left money on your account and, for some reason, did not visit the site for a long time.  
In this case, their suspicion obviously increases that it is not you, but a fraudster.
 Here, complain, do not complain, but you will not be able to return the money without KYC and with KYC you will still be tormented to prove who you are.

[btc78]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But what if they suddenly asked you for KYC and your funds were stuck there? I think I'll just have to do it if that happens to me. I've seen some situations told that in the forum that they've been through with that.
After the compliance, then that will be the time I'll choose with the other options.

You won't get into that situation If you didn't violated the terms of conditions. They can't just freeze your account just because they wanted to, otherwise it's the company's  violation and you can report it to the authorities.
Those you have read in the forums about frozen accounts might've overlooked the deposit and withdrawal rules limit. So they were asked to pass the KYC procedure.

What if they are not regulated? In that case there are no authorities to report to. Never trust any company like those on the internet and in the end always consider your funds and your data at risk.
And never think they can't freeze your account: they can do whatever they want.

Online gambling is somewhat free from such cases , there are very few that has been sued because of their not so good behavior that's why Scam sites are growing and growing because they knew that Law is far from bringing them behind bars.
Sad but this is reality .
so in many case authorities seems to be powerless against them .

[tabas]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But what if they suddenly asked you for KYC and your funds were stuck there? I think I'll just have to do it if that happens to me. I've seen some situations told that in the forum that they've been through with that.
After the compliance, then that will be the time I'll choose with the other options.

Yes it becomes a different situation and requires us to give KYC, even though we are not ready for that but if we still need the money then there is nothing else we can do but give KYC. It's a different case if it's just a small amount of money and we can still let the money go, then we can leave the site and look for something else but indeed, giving KYC seems like it would be easy to do on exchanges not on gambling sites.

Yes, if the amount is small and you're fine of not taking it then we don't have to comply with KYC. But if that amount matters to you, you have to withdraw it.
And you'll definitely fine complying with the KYC. Well, that's just another situation that I've thought of.

[Fatunad]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But what if they suddenly asked you for KYC and your funds were stuck there? I think I'll just have to do it if that happens to me. I've seen some situations told that in the forum that they've been through with that.
After the compliance, then that will be the time I'll choose with the other options.

Yes it becomes a different situation and requires us to give KYC, even though we are not ready for that but if we still need the money then there is nothing else we can do but give KYC. It's a different case if it's just a small amount of money and we can still let the money go, then we can leave the site and look for something else but indeed, giving KYC seems like it would be easy to do on exchanges not on gambling sites.

Yes, if the amount is small and you're fine of not taking it then we don't have to comply with KYC. But if that amount matters to you, you have to withdraw it.
And you'll definitely fine complying with the KYC. Well, that's just another situation that I've thought of.

Matter of choice and it would be definitely depending on how much amount is been locked up into your account because some wont really care at all if its just small for the exchange of their personal info and some would just comply even its just way too small..
People do have their own impression towards KYc some would be mindful and some wouldn't really care because they do believe that theres nothing need to worry
about as long you don't do anything wrong.

[tabas]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But what if they suddenly asked you for KYC and your funds were stuck there? I think I'll just have to do it if that happens to me. I've seen some situations told that in the forum that they've been through with that.
After the compliance, then that will be the time I'll choose with the other options.

Yes it becomes a different situation and requires us to give KYC, even though we are not ready for that but if we still need the money then there is nothing else we can do but give KYC. It's a different case if it's just a small amount of money and we can still let the money go, then we can leave the site and look for something else but indeed, giving KYC seems like it would be easy to do on exchanges not on gambling sites.

Yes, if the amount is small and you're fine of not taking it then we don't have to comply with KYC. But if that amount matters to you, you have to withdraw it.
And you'll definitely fine complying with the KYC. Well, that's just another situation that I've thought of.

Matter of choice and it would be definitely depending on how much amount is been locked up into your account because some wont really care at all if its just small for the exchange of their personal info and some would just comply even its just way too small..
People do have their own impression towards KYc some would be mindful and some wouldn't really care because they do believe that theres nothing need to worry
about as long you don't do anything wrong.

I agree that we have different thoughts when it comes to money and even if it's just a small amount, some won't let it pass and will have to go for the KYC.
Regardless of the amount as long as they're the owner of it, they're going to do anything that they can and if it's just the KYC as the requirement, they won't hesitate to do it.

[madnessteat]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

In my opinion, there may be a security loophole in both cases. I don't think the system for storing user data on exchanges is much higher than on gambling sites.

Can you tell me why you think that sending your documents to an exchange exposes you to less risk than sending documents to a gambling site?

[Stedsm]

@OP, your first question is where I'd stop by saying No right away, because if I know that the casino may ask KYC, it means I may be asked to do KYC if/when I win something big there that they either possibly can't pay out/don't want to pay out/will pay out only after getting my docs and I don't want to get doxxed for gambling purposes.

[suzanne5223]

I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

I have to disagree. Although in general, we are risking money at both, activities in exchanges and casinos are different so I can't consider the latter should also be mandated by KYC. Let the casinos be regulated but not too much. Crypto-gamblers should still feel the advantage of playing in a crypto-casino. No difference when you played at fiat casinos if that will be the case.

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

I understand the reason why KYC was introduced in the crypto casino site and exchange site you know that the above user was absolutely right because crypto gamblers does feel the advantage of playing anonymously before people abuse the advantage which is what lead to the birth of KYC in the crypto scheme and the last time I check no casino will operate outside their master license holder rules.
If your favorite casino doesn't ask for KYC now, I can guarantee you that they will at some point when the time comes.

[tippytoes]

I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

I have to disagree. Although in general, we are risking money at both, activities in exchanges and casinos are different so I can't consider the latter should also be mandated by KYC. Let the casinos be regulated but not too much. Crypto-gamblers should still feel the advantage of playing in a crypto-casino. No difference when you played at fiat casinos if that will be the case.

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

I understand the reason why KYC was introduced in the crypto casino site and exchange site you know that the above user was absolutely right because crypto gamblers does feel the advantage of playing anonymously before people abuse the advantage which is what lead to the birth of KYC in the crypto scheme and the last time I check no casino will operate outside their master license holder rules.
If your favorite casino doesn't ask for KYC now, I can guarantee you that they will at some point when the time comes.

And if you are a high roller, expect that at some point the casino may require you to complete the KYC requirements. But if you are just a small timer, better stick to reputable sites here that don't require KYC yet. Whereas, some casinos are already requiring KYC because as you said, that's what their license is asking them to implement. But of course, it is still good to play on casinos that don't require KYC, just abide their rules and I don't think they will flag your account.

[Slow death]

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

But what if they suddenly asked you for KYC and your funds were stuck there? I think I'll just have to do it if that happens to me. I've seen some situations told that in the forum that they've been through with that.
After the compliance, then that will be the time I'll choose with the other options.

You won't get into that situation If you didn't violated the terms of conditions. They can't just freeze your account just because they wanted to, otherwise it's the company's  violation and you can report it to the authorities.
Those you have read in the forums about frozen accounts might've overlooked the deposit and withdrawal rules limit. So they were asked to pass the KYC procedure.

reality has shown us that some sites have used the TOS as a way of freezing people's accounts and always with the excuse that people are using the site from a prohibited place or that people have too many accounts and when asking the site Show Evidence The site says it can't show evidence because that would divulge the methods they use to find out who uses a lot of accounts. and I ask: who can prevent websites from using the TOS for harmful purposes? only the government has that power. but unfortunately what you see in the online world is sad, customers must do KYC on sites where they are anonymous with anonymous owners

[SaShiRaJaVu]

reality has shown us that some sites have used the TOS as a way of freezing people's accounts and always with the excuse that people are using the site from a prohibited place or that people have too many accounts and when asking the site Show Evidence The site says it can't show evidence because that would divulge the methods they use to find out who uses a lot of accounts. and I ask: who can prevent websites from using the TOS for harmful purposes? only the government has that power. but unfortunately what you see in the online world is sad, customers must do KYC on sites where they are anonymous with anonymous owners

The website has the power as a business organization to enforce their terms of service so that their business interest are well protected. These websites are created to make the profit and if people are taking advantage of the system then they have the authority to stop the abuse and basically protect their business but if they are open like Stake as it is not mandatory to verify my identity unless i looking for their bonuses .

[Oasisman]

~snip~.

~snip~.

You won't get into that situation If you didn't violated the terms of conditions. They can't just freeze your account just because they wanted to, otherwise it's the company's  violation and you can report it to the authorities.
Those you have read in the forums about frozen accounts might've overlooked the deposit and withdrawal rules limit. So they were asked to pass the KYC procedure.

reality has shown us that some sites have used the TOS as a way of freezing people's accounts and always with the excuse that people are using the site from a prohibited place or that people have too many accounts and when asking the site Show Evidence The site says it can't show evidence because that would divulge the methods they use to find out who uses a lot of accounts. and I ask: who can prevent websites from using the TOS for harmful purposes? only the government has that power. but unfortunately what you see in the online world is sad, customers must do KYC on sites where they are anonymous with anonymous owners

That's always gonna be the primary reason why an account has to be freezed. TOS is always susceptible to abuse and could be used against you especially when you make a very noticeable wins and withdrawal amount. That's the sad reality of it.
The regulated crypto gambling websites are required to comply with the AMLC thus KYC is necessary, that completely contradicts the purpose of being anonymous in crypto space.
Another sad reality.

[Ratash]

I think kyc should not be applied in online gambling casinos because you won the money fair and square and if they decide to apply it they should provide a trustworthy people to handle the kyc report and they should be well known to the custumer to avoid the blackmail and scams as you said.

[suzanne5223]

I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

I have to disagree. Although in general, we are risking money at both, activities in exchanges and casinos are different so I can't consider the latter should also be mandated by KYC. Let the casinos be regulated but not too much. Crypto-gamblers should still feel the advantage of playing in a crypto-casino. No difference when you played at fiat casinos if that will be the case.

I'd rather comply with KYC on exchanges compare to gambling sites. They shouldn't have the same approach. Even if my favorite gambling site will ask its users for KYC, no way. There are lots of options to choose from.

I understand the reason why KYC was introduced in the crypto casino site and exchange site you know that the above user was absolutely right because crypto gamblers does feel the advantage of playing anonymously before people abuse the advantage which is what lead to the birth of KYC in the crypto scheme and the last time I check no casino will operate outside their master license holder rules.
If your favorite casino doesn't ask for KYC now, I can guarantee you that they will at some point when the time comes.

And if you are a high roller, expect that at some point the casino may require you to complete the KYC requirements. But if you are just a small timer, better stick to reputable sites here that don't require KYC yet. Whereas, some casinos are already requiring KYC because as you said, that's what their license is asking them to implement. But of course, it is still good to play on casinos that don't require KYC, just abide their rules and I don't think they will flag your account.

High roller are the only user casino ask for KYC and the last time I check they ask user for KYC footing the amount deposit, won, withdraw or if there's something fishy about the account activities.
Casino flagging account have to do with the account holder activities though we have a situation some flag user account for no reason

[Ziskinberg]

I think kyc should not be applied in online gambling casinos because you won the money fair and square and if they decide to apply it they should provide a trustworthy people to handle the kyc report and they should be well known to the custumer to avoid the blackmail and scams as you said.

If it's already in the TOS before you sign it up, then we should not blame them for that, instead, we have to blame ourselves for not reading the TOS. There are some casinos that have KYC while some do not require it, so we are free to choose what casino to play with, complaining or making it a standard won't really work as not all of the casinos are under one regulator.

[Natalim]

I think kyc should not be applied in online gambling casinos because you won the money fair and square and if they decide to apply it they should provide a trustworthy people to handle the kyc report and they should be well known to the custumer to avoid the blackmail and scams as you said.

If it's already in the TOS before you sign it up, then we should not blame them for that, instead, we have to blame ourselves for not reading the TOS. There are some casinos that have KYC while some do not require it, so we are free to choose what casino to play with, complaining or making it a standard won't really work as not all of the casinos are under one regulator.

The problem is not everyone who signs up for a new gambling site reads the TOS, I think more than 50% of people who sign, the main reason is that the TOS is long and it's very technical that we find it boring, and also, it's understandable as majority of gamblers does not risk a decent amount of money and they can take the risk of losing their account.

[Silberman]

That's a good point because based on my observation, most casinos I played do not ask for KYC, so crypto casinos are still good for me. However, if regulation changes and they'll require a KYC, then there's nothing I could do but follow. I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

Most casinos are going to be very reluctant to ask for such information because they know very well that most players are not going to want to give up that information because one of the main reasons why people gamble at cryptocurrency casinos is that they want protect their privacy, they will only ask this information when absolutely necessary and even then they are going to be nervous because if they ask this from some of their big players and they are a small casino they know they are risking losing that player to another casino.

[seleme]

Tbh, I feel safer on anonymous casinos but the situation has changed a lot since the regulation brought up to crypto casinos. The fiat casinos have some advantages over crypto casinos but the disadvantages are possible for high rollers. You can place over $500k in crypto gambling websites but your account will be frozen by management for the same amount in fiat casinos. Before registering account, reading the terms of service helps a lot how much users wanna risk without KYC.

[stadus]

Tbh, I feel safer on anonymous casinos but the situation has changed a lot since the regulation brought up to crypto casinos. The fiat casinos have some advantages over crypto casinos but the disadvantages are possible for high rollers. You can place over $500k in crypto gambling websites but your account will be frozen by management for the same amount in fiat casinos. Before registering account, reading the terms of service helps a lot how much users wanna risk without KYC.

Not only it will be frozen, but it's also easy for the casino to go away taking that huge money because in this industry it's easy to make a new casino since it's anonymous. Actually, I believe that crypto casinos usually attract small bettors but they are still making huge money because they are getting the volume of gamblers, and I think it's not too risky for gamblers that way and they'll take it than abiding on the KYC that fiat casinos normally implements.

Imagine, even if you are an underdog, you can gamble here since you can lie on your age when you sign up, and since there's no KYC, you can freely gamble without any problem as long as you don't gamble a lot that would ring a bell on the casino.

[goinmerry]

Imagine, even if you are an underdog, you can gamble here since you can lie on your age when you sign up, and since there's no KYC, you can freely gamble without any problem as long as you don't gamble a lot that would ring a bell on the casino.

Fairly right.

You can just catch the attention of the casino if your activity will ring the bell.

Stay low-key and avoid big withdrawals at once if ever luck hits us. That way, no need to be under of complying with KYC under their terms for big winnings as sometimes even we got those big winnings fair and square, it will be tagged as malicious and suspicious which is quite unfair and not reasonable.

[Lorence.xD]

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We can hope that some reputations gambling site will still do that way to give anonymously to their members. Maybe if the casino is out of the government jurisdiction, the casino will not have to follow the regulation from the government, so they can still operate without asking KYC to their members. Hopefully, crypto gambling users can still play gambling without worrying about KYC and other things that can make them send their details.

We can only hope but we all know that the government wants to make sure that everything is going to comply to their demands, they can bully companies that aren't making trillions of dollars if they want too. Maybe there's some that will not force a KYC but I don't think that if there's a choice, I wouldn't risk it in those places.

[bitterguy28]

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We can hope that some reputations gambling site will still do that way to give anonymously to their members. Maybe if the casino is out of the government jurisdiction, the casino will not have to follow the regulation from the government, so they can still operate without asking KYC to their members. Hopefully, crypto gambling users can still play gambling without worrying about KYC and other things that can make them send their details.

We can only hope but we all know that the government wants to make sure that everything is going to comply to their demands, they can bully companies that aren't making trillions of dollars if they want too. Maybe there's some that will not force a KYC but I don't think that if there's a choice, I wouldn't risk it in those places.

Many sites that asks for KYC only complying with what governments asking them to do though there are also some of casinos that only use this for their beneficiaries .
they dont even care about the reality of kYC but just to prevent players from claiming their funds.

[Lorence.xD]

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Many sites that asks for KYC only complying with what governments asking them to do though there are also some of casinos that only use this for their beneficiaries .
they dont even care about the reality of kYC but just to prevent players from claiming their funds.

I mean you can always ask why they are asking for a KYC, and if the answer don't satisfy you then probably you have to look for other casinos that don't ask KYC. Fund freezing is a prevalent thing happening to gambling sites and I do think that it is a problem but if it's a reputable casino, I am pretty sure that we will see to it that they will be considerate if you raise a ticket.

[michellee]

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We can hope that some reputations gambling site will still do that way to give anonymously to their members. Maybe if the casino is out of the government jurisdiction, the casino will not have to follow the regulation from the government, so they can still operate without asking KYC to their members. Hopefully, crypto gambling users can still play gambling without worrying about KYC and other things that can make them send their details.

We can only hope but we all know that the government wants to make sure that everything is going to comply to their demands, they can bully companies that aren't making trillions of dollars if they want too. Maybe there's some that will not force a KYC but I don't think that if there's a choice, I wouldn't risk it in those places.

Fortunately, we are in the crypto world with a crypto gambling site to find the casino that does not have a KYC and does not apply verification for their member except for people who want to withdraw big money. We can feel it is better to stay on that casino instead of searching for the other gambling site because we need time to find that sites and we do not know if they will ask their member to fill KYC. There is an option for a gambler to choose where they will playing gambling, so that will be up to the gambler.

[Lorence.xD]

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Fortunately, we are in the crypto world with a crypto gambling site to find the casino that does not have a KYC and does not apply verification for their member except for people who want to withdraw big money. We can feel it is better to stay on that casino instead of searching for the other gambling site because we need time to find that sites and we do not know if they will ask their member to fill KYC. There is an option for a gambler to choose where they will playing gambling, so that will be up to the gambler.

That kind of thing won't last that long though, as crypto gets noticed by more people, the more the government and authorities wants to dip their hands in those money and they want to put regulations in it as much as possible since it is a fresh moneymaker.

[BuNga_cute]

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Fortunately, we are in the crypto world with a crypto gambling site to find the casino that does not have a KYC and does not apply verification for their member except for people who want to withdraw big money. We can feel it is better to stay on that casino instead of searching for the other gambling site because we need time to find that sites and we do not know if they will ask their member to fill KYC. There is an option for a gambler to choose where they will playing gambling, so that will be up to the gambler.

That kind of thing won't last that long though, as crypto gets noticed by more people, the more the government and authorities wants to dip their hands in those money and they want to put regulations in it as much as possible since it is a fresh moneymaker.

When I first got to know Crypto there were still many exchanges that did not enforce KYC, but nowadays almost all exchanges do. It's the same
with crypto casinos, one day I believe almost all crypto casinos will apply KYC. Because now the government is still busy with pandemic issues,
so it is not so focused on paying attention to the development of crypto casinos. I believe crypto casinos will enforce KYC in the end, because
the government will impose taxes on gamblers who play in online gambling. Moreover, the velocity of money in the gambling industry is very large,
it certainly will not go unnoticed by the government. So just enjoy it for now playing online gambling, there is no need to do the KYC procedure
and also not all countries impose taxes for online gambling.

[michellee]

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Fortunately, we are in the crypto world with a crypto gambling site to find the casino that does not have a KYC and does not apply verification for their member except for people who want to withdraw big money. We can feel it is better to stay on that casino instead of searching for the other gambling site because we need time to find that sites and we do not know if they will ask their member to fill KYC. There is an option for a gambler to choose where they will playing gambling, so that will be up to the gambler.

That kind of thing won't last that long though, as crypto gets noticed by more people, the more the government and authorities wants to dip their hands in those money and they want to put regulations in it as much as possible since it is a fresh moneymaker.

The government and authorities will indeed want to get their hands in that money. Still, they need to regulate a new law for the crypto gambling site and that is not easy because that will be related to many aspects and people in the government. While that thing is not going to happen quickly, we can still play gambling on that site and hopefully, there is a crypto gambling site that still does not use KYC for their members.

[bitterguy28]

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Many sites that asks for KYC only complying with what governments asking them to do though there are also some of casinos that only use this for their beneficiaries .
they dont even care about the reality of kYC but just to prevent players from claiming their funds.

I mean you can always ask why they are asking for a KYC, and if the answer don't satisfy you then probably you have to look for other casinos that don't ask KYC. Fund freezing is a prevalent thing happening to gambling sites and I do think that it is a problem but if it's a reputable casino, I am pretty sure that we will see to it that they will be considerate if you raise a ticket.

Yeah indeed that's  what people must do and as simply as.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you Dont wanna expose your KYC , Then never play in gambling site that looks for it <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[Xinarae*]

There are many kyc sites in crypto casinos but it is better to check them well before making a decision. Not all sites work the same way players suffer when many sites scam through kyc casinos may be geographically limited no strategy is particularly effective or sustainable designated crypto holders living in heavily regulated countries can use these platforms regardless of age but they want to. For all these reasons the way to legitimize these services in kyc crypto casinos is unclear to say the least.

[carlisle1]

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Fortunately, we are in the crypto world with a crypto gambling site to find the casino that does not have a KYC and does not apply verification for their member except for people who want to withdraw big money. We can feel it is better to stay on that casino instead of searching for the other gambling site because we need time to find that sites and we do not know if they will ask their member to fill KYC. There is an option for a gambler to choose where they will playing gambling, so that will be up to the gambler.

That kind of thing won't last that long though, as crypto gets noticed by more people, the more the government and authorities wants to dip their hands in those money and they want to put regulations in it as much as possible since it is a fresh moneymaker.

The government and authorities will indeed want to get their hands in that money. Still, they need to regulate a new law for the crypto gambling site and that is not easy because that will be related to many aspects and people in the government. While that thing is not going to happen quickly, we can still play gambling on that site and hopefully, there is a crypto gambling site that still does not use KYC for their members.

It would be better if there's still site who can facilitate and offer anonymous gambling since we are inside crypto,
if there's site who can allow players to stay anonymous.

Though we all aware that government will come and chase those legal sites and ask for implementations of their rules.
It's not that easy to weigh if you are the owner, knowing that risk from the government will hurt your business.

Let see if how or what adjustment can be done here.

[Natalim]

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Fortunately, we are in the crypto world with a crypto gambling site to find the casino that does not have a KYC and does not apply verification for their member except for people who want to withdraw big money. We can feel it is better to stay on that casino instead of searching for the other gambling site because we need time to find that sites and we do not know if they will ask their member to fill KYC. There is an option for a gambler to choose where they will playing gambling, so that will be up to the gambler.

That kind of thing won't last that long though, as crypto gets noticed by more people, the more the government and authorities wants to dip their hands in those money and they want to put regulations in it as much as possible since it is a fresh moneymaker.

The government and authorities will indeed want to get their hands in that money. Still, they need to regulate a new law for the crypto gambling site and that is not easy because that will be related to many aspects and people in the government. While that thing is not going to happen quickly, we can still play gambling on that site and hopefully, there is a crypto gambling site that still does not use KYC for their members.

It would be better if there's still site who can facilitate and offer anonymous gambling since we are inside crypto,
if there's site who can allow players to stay anonymous.

Though we all aware that government will come and chase those legal sites and ask for implementations of their rules.
It's not that easy to weigh if you are the owner, knowing that risk from the government will hurt your business.

Let see if how or what adjustment can be done here.

It's still possible but we have to trust the site as eventually when the regulation will be stricter, all sites will be required to register to be regulated, so those who would offer an anonymous gambling experience are sites that has no license, and that is risky for gamblers.

[hahay]

There are many kyc sites in crypto casinos but it is better to check them well before making a decision. Not all sites work the same way players suffer when many sites scam through kyc casinos may be geographically limited no strategy is particularly effective or sustainable designated crypto holders living in heavily regulated countries can use these platforms regardless of age but they want to. For all these reasons the way to legitimize these services in kyc crypto casinos is unclear to say the least.

Currently KYC seems to have become a common thing that is applied in many places, but when we are not comfortable to give it then of course it would be better to cancel the intention to play on the related site. For me, personal data will always be easy to leak and even though they are a legitimate company but still, leakage of customer data is still very possible and this case has happened a lot and not only on gambling sites.

[michellee]

It would be better if there's still site who can facilitate and offer anonymous gambling since we are inside crypto,
if there's site who can allow players to stay anonymous.

Though we all aware that government will come and chase those legal sites and ask for implementations of their rules.
It's not that easy to weigh if you are the owner, knowing that risk from the government will hurt your business.

Let see if how or what adjustment can be done here.

There will be a crypto gambling site that still gives anonymity to their members even if the government comes and asks about the casino's legality and asking for the KYC from them. The gambling owner will think about that and they will try to explain the situation to the government. I am sure there will be a solution for the members who do not want to give their personal information to the casino or the government.

[Natalim]

It would be better if there's still site who can facilitate and offer anonymous gambling since we are inside crypto,
if there's site who can allow players to stay anonymous.

Though we all aware that government will come and chase those legal sites and ask for implementations of their rules.
It's not that easy to weigh if you are the owner, knowing that risk from the government will hurt your business.

Let see if how or what adjustment can be done here.

There will be a crypto gambling site that still gives anonymity to their members even if the government comes and asks about the casino's legality and asking for the KYC from them. The gambling owner will think about that and they will try to explain the situation to the government. I am sure there will be a solution for the members who do not want to give their personal information to the casino or the government.

No way they can lie to the regulators, the regulators have all the tools to determine if the casino is telling the truth or not, and the penalty for such violation is very serious, it could put the owner or operator to jail and I don't think they'll allow that to happen. Once a casino is regulated and ordered to implement the KYC to all of its client, then the casino will just follow without condition.

[The Wasp]

I am sure there will be a solution for the members who do not want to give their personal information to the casino or the government.

I hope so too. I have never given personal information to any gambling sites and I hope I will never even have to. As long as there is an option to gamble anonymously, I avoid casinos that require KYC verification. If this becomes impossible, I will stop gambling.

It seems to me that a lot of people are unaware of the potential dangers of their personal information being misused for criminal purposes.

[AicecreaME]

Tbh, I feel safer on anonymous casinos but the situation has changed a lot since the regulation brought up to crypto casinos. The fiat casinos have some advantages over crypto casinos but the disadvantages are possible for high rollers. You can place over $500k in crypto gambling websites but your account will be frozen by management for the same amount in fiat casinos. Before registering account, reading the terms of service helps a lot how much users wanna risk without KYC.

Not only it will be frozen, but it's also easy for the casino to go away taking that huge money because in this industry it's easy to make a new casino since it's anonymous. Actually, I believe that crypto casinos usually attract small bettors but they are still making huge money because they are getting the volume of gamblers, and I think it's not too risky for gamblers that way and they'll take it than abiding on the KYC that fiat casinos normally implements.

Imagine, even if you are an underdog, you can gamble here since you can lie on your age when you sign up, and since there's no KYC, you can freely gamble without any problem as long as you don't gamble a lot that would ring a bell on the casino.

I agree.

But some cryptocurrency casinos are that sensitive in where they still requires KYC verification before you could cashout your winnings or profit in your account no matter how small they are, but still, you could fake out your KYC somehow if they are not gonna ask too much like requiring your proof of residency as well which in my opinion is too much for KYC verification.

Since it's about your identity, my suggestion would be, never risk your personal information just to get your profits in gambling, well unless it's really big then I guess it should be worth it, but if not, just don't.

[michellee]

No way they can lie to the regulators, the regulators have all the tools to determine if the casino is telling the truth or not, and the penalty for such violation is very serious, it could put the owner or operator to jail and I don't think they'll allow that to happen. Once a casino is regulated and ordered to implement the KYC to all of its client, then the casino will just follow without condition.

Indeed. You are right. So it is better if they follow the regulation from their government and do not try to break them because that can impact their business. Maybe online gambling will become a solution for a gambler who wants to skip the KYC and stay anonymous. But well, we know that a gambler can easily find other gambling places or sites without a problem.

I hope so too. I have never given personal information to any gambling sites and I hope I will never even have to. As long as there is an option to gamble anonymously, I avoid casinos that require KYC verification. If this becomes impossible, I will stop gambling.

It seems to me that a lot of people are unaware of the potential dangers of their personal information being misused for criminal purposes.

That is good because we need to take care of our identification if we use the internet. We do not know what will happen to us if we easily spread our identity to other third parties. I guess the casino will still allow their members to play without verifying their account.

[johhnyUA]

No. If we are talking about offshore based gambling business (like with many online casinos) there will no be problems with government. So there is no reason for them to ask for KYC. This is not the same as 365bet site which based in UK, so he need to make KYC, because he is under regulations. No. This is just greedy and cunning casinos want to receive your docs.

That's a good point because based on my observation, most casinos I played do not ask for KYC, so crypto casinos are still good for me. However, if regulation changes and they'll require a KYC, then there's nothing I could do but follow. I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

You can just ignore it. As it said - "Demand creates supply". So, if many people will not support KYC rules, some casinos will not ask for them or someone will create casino without KYC requirements. If casino will ask me to make KYC - i'll just leave if sum is not big enough. 

[mindrust]

No. If we are talking about offshore based gambling business (like with many online casinos) there will no be problems with government. So there is no reason for them to ask for KYC. This is not the same as 365bet site which based in UK, so he need to make KYC, because he is under regulations. No. This is just greedy and cunning casinos want to receive your docs.

That's a good point because based on my observation, most casinos I played do not ask for KYC, so crypto casinos are still good for me. However, if regulation changes and they'll require a KYC, then there's nothing I could do but follow. I don't see any difference in using an exchange and casino, if the exchange asks for KYC, then casinos should be treated the same as long as they are both regulated.

You can just ignore it. As it said - "Demand creates supply". So, if many people will not support KYC rules, some casinos will not ask for them or someone will create casino without KYC requirements. If casino will ask me to make KYC - i'll just leave if sum is not big enough. 

Right now freebitco.in is the only casino I know that doesn't ask for any KYC. The casino in my signature is also not famous for asking KYC but they still have it in their ToS if I am not wrong which means they can weaponize KYC when it is necessary. (not saying they do or they will. They can though)

I don't know why crypto casinos want a license neither. freebitco.in has no license and they have been doing just fine.

[FatFork]

Right now freebitco.in is the only casino I know that doesn't ask for any KYC. The casino in my signature is also not famous for asking KYC but they still have it in their ToS if I am not wrong which means they can weaponize KYC when it is necessary. (not saying they do or they will. They can though)

I don't know why crypto casinos want a license neither. freebitco.in has no license and they have been doing just fine.

Exactly. Freebitco.in does not have a license as far as I am aware, but I still feel like they are more trustworthy than any new player with Curaçao or some other gaming license.
I honestly believe that a license is no guarantee at all. There have been many scammers in this line of business, with licenses, who took thousands of bitcoins from people through various methods.

Getting a casino license from Curaçao creates more problems than it can solve, so I don't understand why these casinos are making it such a big deal.

[Silberman]

Imagine, even if you are an underdog, you can gamble here since you can lie on your age when you sign up, and since there's no KYC, you can freely gamble without any problem as long as you don't gamble a lot that would ring a bell on the casino.

Truth to be told this also happens in fiat casinos, after all in my experience you are only asked for KYC information when you want to withdraw so you can deposit as much money as you want and gamble with it but as soon as you want to get your money out of their platform then you are hit with KYC, this means that kids can gamble with fiat as well with no problem and when we take into account that some video games allow you to gamble as well with real money then this is a risk that not only exists here.

[Fatunad]

Imagine, even if you are an underdog, you can gamble here since you can lie on your age when you sign up, and since there's no KYC, you can freely gamble without any problem as long as you don't gamble a lot that would ring a bell on the casino.

Truth to be told this also happens in fiat casinos, after all in my experience you are only asked for KYC information when you want to withdraw so you can deposit as much money as you want and gamble with it but as soon as you want to get your money out of their platform then you are hit with KYC, this means that kids can gamble with fiat as well with no problem and when we take into account that some video games allow you to gamble as well with real money then this is a risk that not only exists here.

This is when you do deal with fiat casinos online where you would need to comply KYC  unlike on crypto online casinos where you cant really be asked for
such information excluding into other casinos which had recently changed up their terms due to regulation reasons where there are such changes where in result into asking out those information and this is where crypto becomes popular due to anonymity on where you can freely play without giving out your information and without minding much that your information would be known but somehow it could really have some cons too.

[johhnyUA]

Right now freebitco.in is the only casino I know that doesn't ask for any KYC. The casino in my signature is also not famous for asking KYC but they still have it in their ToS if I am not wrong which means they can weaponize KYC when it is necessary. (not saying they do or they will. They can though)

It is good to advertise service which don't ask for KYC  
So you're not going against your principles

I don't know why crypto casinos want a license neither. freebitco.in has no license and they have been doing just fine.

Because without a license there will be a big problem for you in time. For honest, i think that freebitco has some offshore license. Because without it i doubt that they would operate for so long.

[passwordnow]

Imagine, even if you are an underdog, you can gamble here since you can lie on your age when you sign up, and since there's no KYC, you can freely gamble without any problem as long as you don't gamble a lot that would ring a bell on the casino.

Truth to be told this also happens in fiat casinos, after all in my experience you are only asked for KYC information when you want to withdraw so you can deposit as much money as you want and gamble with it but as soon as you want to get your money out of their platform then you are hit with KYC, this means that kids can gamble with fiat as well with no problem and when we take into account that some video games allow you to gamble as well with real money then this is a risk that not only exists here.

That's the very typical process whenever you're hitting the bell of the casino you're gambling with. If the activity isn't the same with your account's history then they'll suddenly ask you for a kyc because they're having that suspected activity that your account and their system used to have. I think there's no way to know that a kid is gambling on their casino unless being asked for kyc but if their parents are allowing them, they're just going to ask their parents to do it for them.

[michellee]

Imagine, even if you are an underdog, you can gamble here since you can lie on your age when you sign up, and since there's no KYC, you can freely gamble without any problem as long as you don't gamble a lot that would ring a bell on the casino.

Truth to be told this also happens in fiat casinos, after all in my experience you are only asked for KYC information when you want to withdraw so you can deposit as much money as you want and gamble with it but as soon as you want to get your money out of their platform then you are hit with KYC, this means that kids can gamble with fiat as well with no problem and when we take into account that some video games allow you to gamble as well with real money then this is a risk that not only exists here.

This is when you do deal with fiat casinos online where you would need to comply KYC  unlike on crypto online casinos where you cant really be asked for
such information excluding into other casinos which had recently changed up their terms due to regulation reasons where there are such changes where in result into asking out those information and this is where crypto becomes popular due to anonymity on where you can freely play without giving out your information and without minding much that your information would be known but somehow it could really have some cons too.

Crypto casinos and KYC will always be related because crypto on one side offers anonymity to gamblers. But the government wants to know their customer and asking the casino to apply KYC for their members. Some casinos will follow the regulations, while the other casino that is out of that jurisdiction will not follow and will allow people to play gambling without KYC.

Nowadays, a gambler becomes smart. They know that when they are playing gambling using crypto, they will not have to send their identity to the casino and they can hide in their rooms and gamble and make money from gambling. As long as they do not make the alarm sound, they will be okay with playing gambling.

[Natalim]

Imagine, even if you are an underdog, you can gamble here since you can lie on your age when you sign up, and since there's no KYC, you can freely gamble without any problem as long as you don't gamble a lot that would ring a bell on the casino.

Truth to be told this also happens in fiat casinos, after all in my experience you are only asked for KYC information when you want to withdraw so you can deposit as much money as you want and gamble with it but as soon as you want to get your money out of their platform then you are hit with KYC, this means that kids can gamble with fiat as well with no problem and when we take into account that some video games allow you to gamble as well with real money then this is a risk that not only exists here.

This is when you do deal with fiat casinos online where you would need to comply KYC  unlike on crypto online casinos where you cant really be asked for
such information excluding into other casinos which had recently changed up their terms due to regulation reasons where there are such changes where in result into asking out those information and this is where crypto becomes popular due to anonymity on where you can freely play without giving out your information and without minding much that your information would be known but somehow it could really have some cons too.

Crypto casinos and KYC will always be related because crypto on one side offers anonymity to gamblers. But the government wants to know their customer and asking the casino to apply KYC for their members. Some casinos will follow the regulations, while the other casino that is out of that jurisdiction will not follow and will allow people to play gambling without KYC.

Nowadays, a gambler becomes smart. They know that when they are playing gambling using crypto, they will not have to send their identity to the casino and they can hide in their rooms and gamble and make money from gambling. As long as they do not make the alarm sound, they will be okay with playing gambling.

Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.

[michellee]

Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.

That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.

[magneto]

Right now freebitco.in is the only casino I know that doesn't ask for any KYC. The casino in my signature is also not famous for asking KYC but they still have it in their ToS if I am not wrong which means they can weaponize KYC when it is necessary. (not saying they do or they will. They can though)

I don't know why crypto casinos want a license neither. freebitco.in has no license and they have been doing just fine.

That's just flat out wrong.

There are still a lot of casinos out there that implicitly never ask for your KYC. Bitsler, roobet, duelbits, you name it. Sure, they have the final say when it comes to whether you get KYC'd or not, but isn't that every single casino that you play on (including freebitco.in, which has atrocious odds)?

Unless you play on a decentralised betting exchange, which is not yet fully popularised, I don't think you can ever escape this inevitability. This risk of AML protocol has to be accepted on any central platform.

[Oilacris]

Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.

That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.

It would really be surely a big problem whenever you do hit up some big wins and accompanied with some issues where you do need to make out some verification and if you do input false information earlier then that would surely be a big mess.

KYC is mainly hated on crypto but due to regulation these platforms wont really be having any choice but to impose those if they had been asked to do so.

So as a user then we wont have any choice too but actually there are still lots of options for us to take.

[RealMalatesta]

I don't know why crypto casinos want a license neither. freebitco.in has no license and they have been doing just fine.

Crypto gambling houses need license things when they plan to add fiat deposit/withdraw functionality. It means when they stay like only-crypto house then they never need any of license. But, due to gambler's demand in the name of convenience they try to extend their services by including fiat functionalities which leads to all the hassles of KYC related.

This risk of AML protocol has to be accepted on any central platform.

Nowadays this is the exact case with 99% of gambling houses. I am not seeing any of gambling house is being operated only on blockchain to remain fully decentralized; I know technically it will be possible but people want centralized houses to gamble in instant which leads to make them more popular and dominant once hence KYC thing as well become inevitable.

[Fortify]

Right now freebitco.in is the only casino I know that doesn't ask for any KYC. The casino in my signature is also not famous for asking KYC but they still have it in their ToS if I am not wrong which means they can weaponize KYC when it is necessary. (not saying they do or they will. They can though)

I don't know why crypto casinos want a license neither. freebitco.in has no license and they have been doing just fine.

That's just flat out wrong.

There are still a lot of casinos out there that implicitly never ask for your KYC. Bitsler, roobet, duelbits, you name it. Sure, they have the final say when it comes to whether you get KYC'd or not, but isn't that every single casino that you play on (including freebitco.in, which has atrocious odds)?

Unless you play on a decentralised betting exchange, which is not yet fully popularised, I don't think you can ever escape this inevitability. This risk of AML protocol has to be accepted on any central platform.

To be honest, if you want to gamble you're much safer if you find an online fiat casino that is regulated within your own country, otherwise they can put up all sorts of walls to getting your funds and online cryptocurrency based sites are constantly under attack by malicious people who want to steal it all. Unlike a bank if hackers find a way in, they need infrastructure to get the money out which is just as difficult. If a hacker manages to get into a Bitcoin wallet owned by a gambling institution, they can move it instantly and with no way to get it back, after that there are numerous ways for them to launder it so the trail will go cold.It's no wonder all these ransomware attacks are so successful, because they're able to extract near untraceable rewards.

[michellee]

Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.

That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.

It would really be surely a big problem whenever you do hit up some big wins and accompanied with some issues where you do need to make out some verification and if you do input false information earlier then that would surely be a big mess.

KYC is mainly hated on crypto but due to regulation these platforms wont really be having any choice but to impose those if they had been asked to do so.

So as a user then we wont have any choice too but actually there are still lots of options for us to take.

But that will not be advisable if you use fake information of your identity because that can make your account get banned by them and lose your win money. If the casino allows them not to verify their account, then maybe they can withdraw small money without trying to break the limit for verifying their account. By doing that, they can still get their winning and can withdraw the other amount in the next days until they got all of their winning money.

I am sure if the casino is bond with the government, they will force their members to do KYC to report it to the government. If that happens, there is no other way to search for the different casino or follow them or stop playing gambling.

[KTChampions]

To be honest, if you want to gamble you're much safer if you find an online fiat casino that is regulated within your own country, otherwise they can put up all sorts of walls to getting your funds and online cryptocurrency based sites are constantly under attack by malicious people who want to steal it all. Unlike a bank if hackers find a way in, they need infrastructure to get the money out which is just as difficult. If a hacker manages to get into a Bitcoin wallet owned by a gambling institution, they can move it instantly and with no way to get it back, after that there are numerous ways for them to launder it so the trail will go cold.It's no wonder all these ransomware attacks are so successful, because they're able to extract near untraceable rewards.

In fact, many times those casinos and bookmakers that are "legal" and have licenses from the authorities very often abuse their capabilities and try to deceive players when issuing money. In addition, they ban successful players, cut their betting limits, etc. I do not know if this is so in all countries, but in my (Russia) it is. If you look at the forums, a lot of players complain about this casino behavior.

[ethereumhunter]

Nowadays I don't think the type of license matters much anymore. I myself have read that sites of the MGA affiliated are stricter with the KYC, but that it is a one-off. And even if you did, you still have no guarantees. It is best to rely on individual player experience to see what is reliable. some players want to remain anonymous, but that is very difficult now.

But we can still hope that the casino will think about the anonymity of their members and not forcing them to fills KYC. Maybe they can make a new rule on their site that will give a chance for the crypto gambler to play anonymously. The crypto itself offers anonymity and freedom to its user, so I think it might be a casino will still have that option for their members. Maybe the casino will give another compensation to the government that wants to know their customer by paying high taxes for that casino.

[freedomgo]

Nowadays I don't think the type of license matters much anymore. I myself have read that sites of the MGA affiliated are stricter with the KYC, but that it is a one-off. And even if you did, you still have no guarantees. It is best to rely on individual player experience to see what is reliable. some players want to remain anonymous, but that is very difficult now.

But we can still hope that the casino will think about the anonymity of their members and not forcing them to fills KYC. Maybe they can make a new rule on their site that will give a chance for the crypto gambler to play anonymously. The crypto itself offers anonymity and freedom to its user, so I think it might be a casino will still have that option for their members. Maybe the casino will give another compensation to the government that wants to know their customer by paying high taxes for that casino.

That's not possible because regulation has no exemption, casinos do not create a rule that is not in accordance with the regulation, they should be in compliance with it, otherwise, their license will be revoked. If we like to keep playing anonymously, then we should not force ourselves to play in a casino that is already regulated.

[JEFE92]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

Tbh giving your docs for KYC to crypto casinos is the same as giving docs to crypto exchanges. Nothing bad will happen. For my part, I can offer 2 casinos where I still have not received any KYC: Thunderpick and Stake

[stadus]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.

Tbh giving your docs for KYC to crypto casinos is the same as giving docs to crypto exchanges. Nothing bad will happen. For my part, I can offer 2 casinos where I still have not received any KYC: Thunderpick and Stake

That's right, and we should not hesitate to do that if we trust the casino we are gambling. We need to ensure that the certain casino is registered so you can go after them if they messed up with your KYC documents, which is a big crime for them.

[Silberman]

Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.

That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.

Many casinos are very tolerant when it comes to asking for KYC, they know that if they ask this information to every single one of their clients then soon enough they are going to find themselves without clients as the majority of the people in this market care about their privacy, this is why you should not worry that much about this, however if you play with a big amount of money then you should prepare yourself and accept that sooner or later you will have to go through it especially if you win a significant amount of money.

[ReiMomo]

~snip~

Tbh giving your docs for KYC to crypto casinos is the same as giving docs to crypto exchanges. Nothing bad will happen. For my part, I can offer 2 casinos where I still have not received any KYC: Thunderpick and Stake

I guess it is but still, you need to be careful upon giving your KYC documents especially if a platform that newly created and runs its operation only for a week, that is hard to trust. I don't know if this is the fact now that we must accept if we are using crypto, we should accept that KYC is very common now and expecting that the site that involves money or any financial, it surely need KYC verification.

If there's a way to avoid it then you have a choice, if you don't like it, it's up to you. Pick the right one that you could trust in just a single glance.

[Smartprofit]

I am totally against going through the KYC procedure in an online casino with a cryptocurrency! 

When I play in a casino, I want to remain anonymous.  When I conduct cryptocurrency transactions, I also want to remain anonymous.  I don't trust the casino staff. 

Most of them are employees.  They can be fired.  They can ruin their relationship with the casino administration.  They can be dishonest people with criminal inclinations. 

As a result, my personal data will end up on the darknet.  This is absolutely unacceptable!

[ethereumhunter]

Nowadays I don't think the type of license matters much anymore. I myself have read that sites of the MGA affiliated are stricter with the KYC, but that it is a one-off. And even if you did, you still have no guarantees. It is best to rely on individual player experience to see what is reliable. some players want to remain anonymous, but that is very difficult now.

But we can still hope that the casino will think about the anonymity of their members and not forcing them to fills KYC. Maybe they can make a new rule on their site that will give a chance for the crypto gambler to play anonymously. The crypto itself offers anonymity and freedom to its user, so I think it might be a casino will still have that option for their members. Maybe the casino will give another compensation to the government that wants to know their customer by paying high taxes for that casino.

That's not possible because regulation has no exemption, casinos do not create a rule that is not in accordance with the regulation, they should be in compliance with it, otherwise, their license will be revoked. If we like to keep playing anonymously, then we should not force ourselves to play in a casino that is already regulated.

That is just a hope which may be happening. But you are right, and if we do not like the regulated casino, we can search for the other casino which is not used KYC or send our document to them. If you want to stay at that casino and are okay to send your document to them, make sure you join the recommended gambling site and stay away from the suspicious gambling site.

[KTChampions]

That is just a hope which may be happening. But you are right, and if we do not like the regulated casino, we can search for the other casino which is not used KYC or send our document to them. If you want to stay at that casino and are okay to send your document to them, make sure you join the recommended gambling site and stay away from the suspicious gambling site.

I'm not sure if this is possible, but I hope that with the advent of decentralized powerful, and most importantly cheap blockchains (for example, ETH2), decentralized casinos will appear. Thus, the problem of KYC will be solved since the authorities will not have before them some kind of organization that can be forced to comply with some rules.

[BIN-BIN]

The risk associated with online casino KYC is the major reason there is a rise in decentralized casinos in the crypto casino market today, many online casino players don’t feel safe giving their details to a third party.

[dimonstration]

I am totally against going through the KYC procedure in an online casino with a cryptocurrency! 

When I play in a casino, I want to remain anonymous.  When I conduct cryptocurrency transactions, I also want to remain anonymous.  I don't trust the casino staff. 

Most of them are employees.  They can be fired.  They can ruin their relationship with the casino administration.  They can be dishonest people with criminal inclinations. 

As a result, my personal data will end up on the darknet.  This is absolutely unacceptable!

As long as there are casinos who will not require KYC then it's fine. But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation. As long as the casino have good rating and provide better service there is nothing to worry about. Just keep on having security in your accounts.

[harizen]

But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[Silberman]

I am totally against going through the KYC procedure in an online casino with a cryptocurrency! 

When I play in a casino, I want to remain anonymous.  When I conduct cryptocurrency transactions, I also want to remain anonymous.  I don't trust the casino staff. 

Most of them are employees.  They can be fired.  They can ruin their relationship with the casino administration.  They can be dishonest people with criminal inclinations. 

As a result, my personal data will end up on the darknet.  This is absolutely unacceptable!

While what you said is understandable as I think it is the most common posture here in the forum we need to understand that even if casinos want to please their customers they also need to comply with the law, it is because of this that if a player earns a lot of money in a casino it seems natural to ask for KYC just to see that everything is in order, however if a casino ask for KYC verification to everyone that plays there after some time then this is without a doubt a policy I will not support.

[Maslate]

But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

I think those casinos that say they have a license are regulated by the government.

Is this Curacao gambling license doe not fall on the justification?
https://fastoffshore.com/what-we-do/packaged-services/curacao-gaming-license/

[tabas]

But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

That's what I know too but they could ask for it as a mandatory requirement if they want to. But as such, if it's crypto casinos, they're not really mandated to ask for a KYC.
Unless conditions has hit a certain person and he's required to do so.

[carlfebz2]

But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

That's what I know too but they could ask for it as a mandatory requirement if they want to. But as such, if it's crypto casinos, they're not really mandated to ask for a KYC.
Unless conditions has hit a certain person and he's required to do so.

When we do read up on most gambling sites nowadays specially into their terms and conditions then you would eventually read up that they would might ask out some personal verification if they do saw something illegal or shady towards our gambling activity.

You would really be able to read in most gambling site terms and conditions this is why that dont get surprised that they would be asking out something
but if you do play without any things get involved or being shady then i dont see that you should be worried.

These platforms are regulated which its not surprising that they are abiding some laws and regulations too whenever there are some circumstances which would really provoke out those kind of personal verification if needed.

[michellee]

Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.

That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.

Many casinos are very tolerant when it comes to asking for KYC, they know that if they ask this information to every single one of their clients then soon enough they are going to find themselves without clients as the majority of the people in this market care about their privacy, this is why you should not worry that much about this, however if you play with a big amount of money then you should prepare yourself and accept that sooner or later you will have to go through it especially if you win a significant amount of money.

Yes, that is why there will be a casino that still accept the member without asking about KYC. But they can limit the withdrawal amount for their members and if their members want to increase the limit, they need to do KYC. I think that is a fair thing from the casino as the casino does not want to break the regulation. A gambler itself needs to know about themselves and not using too big money if they do not want doing KYC. I think the casino want to help the gambler to control themselves but sometimes, a gambler itself want to break the limit.

[KTChampions]

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

These are different questions. The casino can be legal and operate only with crypto. Or the casino can be illegal and work only with fiat. Therefore, if this is important to you, you should clarify both of these issues separately.
Unfortunately, I see that in recent years almost all casinos become legal in one way or another and the meaning of using cryptocurrencies is lost.

[Slow death]

Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.

That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.

Many casinos are very tolerant when it comes to asking for KYC, they know that if they ask this information to every single one of their clients then soon enough they are going to find themselves without clients as the majority of the people in this market care about their privacy, this is why you should not worry that much about this, however if you play with a big amount of money then you should prepare yourself and accept that sooner or later you will have to go through it especially if you win a significant amount of money.

Yes, that is why there will be a casino that still accept the member without asking about KYC. But they can limit the withdrawal amount for their members and if their members want to increase the limit, they need to do KYC. I think that is a fair thing from the casino as the casino does not want to break the regulation. A gambler itself needs to know about themselves and not using too big money if they do not want doing KYC. I think the casino want to help the gambler to control themselves but sometimes, a gambler itself want to break the limit.

I think the big central problem is in the following:

1 - casino owners are anonymous

2 - casino employees are anonymous

3 - casinos do not say where and how they keep people's documents

So why should people submit documents to anonymous people's websites?

[tabas]

But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

That's what I know too but they could ask for it as a mandatory requirement if they want to. But as such, if it's crypto casinos, they're not really mandated to ask for a KYC.
Unless conditions has hit a certain person and he's required to do so.

When we do read up on most gambling sites nowadays specially into their terms and conditions then you would eventually read up that they would might ask out some personal verification if they do saw something illegal or shady towards our gambling activity.

You would really be able to read in most gambling site terms and conditions this is why that dont get surprised that they would be asking out something
but if you do play without any things get involved or being shady then i dont see that you should be worried.

These platforms are regulated which its not surprising that they are abiding some laws and regulations too whenever there are some circumstances which would really provoke out those kind of personal verification if needed.

Yes, you shouldn't be surprised when they ask but most of them too are not really pushing that as long as the user is clean. And those users that have been asked for it.
They knew something into their selves why they're asked for but if they're clean, they just have to prove themselves unless the casino believes their reasoning or else, there's nothing we can do but it's either be obedient or your balance gets stuck.

[Hamphser]

But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

That's what I know too but they could ask for it as a mandatory requirement if they want to. But as such, if it's crypto casinos, they're not really mandated to ask for a KYC.
Unless conditions has hit a certain person and he's required to do so.

When we do read up on most gambling sites nowadays specially into their terms and conditions then you would eventually read up that they would might ask out some personal verification if they do saw something illegal or shady towards our gambling activity.

You would really be able to read in most gambling site terms and conditions this is why that dont get surprised that they would be asking out something
but if you do play without any things get involved or being shady then i dont see that you should be worried.

These platforms are regulated which its not surprising that they are abiding some laws and regulations too whenever there are some circumstances which would really provoke out those kind of personal verification if needed.

Yes, you shouldn't be surprised when they ask but most of them too are not really pushing that as long as the user is clean. And those users that have been asked for it.
They knew something into their selves why they're asked for but if they're clean, they just have to prove themselves unless the casino believes their reasoning or else, there's nothing we can do but it's either be obedient or your balance gets stuck.

It cant really just be avoided to have in mind on why you would need to comply something if you arent doing something shady with your gambling?

This is where casino legitimacy would matter the most because you can somewhat ensure that you've been dealing with legit things rather than on complying into something which you dont even know if they were legit on the first place.

You would need to comply or else those funds would really be locked.So its a matter of choice.

[KTChampions]

These are different questions. The casino can be legal and operate only with crypto. Or the casino can be illegal and work only with fiat. Therefore, if this is important to you, you should clarify both of these issues separately.
Unfortunately, I see that in recent years almost all casinos become legal in one way or another and the meaning of using cryptocurrencies is lost.

Those gambling site who have their licensed are probably under the rules of government and a specific country is their regulating body which dictates them all the rules and regulations when it comes to gambling. KYC was being asked on many site because it is one of the requirements for anti money londering. If you are not ok with KYC, there's still an option for you and I hope that we can still have that option in the future since many gamblers still prefer to remain anonymous.

I see trends that indicate that all companies in one way or another will be tightly controlled by governments. If you remember the Internet at the dawn of its creation, or at least 15 years ago, you should remember that before there was much more freedom. Now freedom is shrinking and crypto will also come under the control of governments. The only thing I hope for is decentralized applications (including for gambling), because in this case the government will not have the power to control the enterprise due to the lack of a main node.

[harizen]

These are different questions. The casino can be legal and operate only with crypto. Or the casino can be illegal and work only with fiat. Therefore, if this is important to you, you should clarify both of these issues separately.
Unfortunately, I see that in recent years almost all casinos become legal in one way or another and the meaning of using cryptocurrencies is lost.

The question is very clear, at least for how I delivered it. What I'm talking about is if there's a "crypto-casino" that is directly governed and mandated by the government in response to what I quoted above.

I don't consider the Curacao license as an example. If I'm not mistaken, gambling sites under Curacao don't have to pay any tax. It means these sites aren't directly mandated by the government. If a certain business, in any industry, is mandated by the government, they are subject to paying tax.

Again, anyone who has knowledge about this can correct me.

Here's the quote:

As long as there are casinos who will not require KYC then it's fine. But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation. 

[goinmerry]

Yes, you shouldn't be surprised when they ask but most of them too are not really pushing that as long as the user is clean. And those users that have been asked for it.

Gambling sites just asked for additional KYC for big withdrawals or alarming winnings. In that case, users just have to be true to themselves.

KYC is just for the account's unique profile so that in case of attempted big withdrawals, it can't be allowed easily if the account was hacked and the only one who can withdraw that is the original user.

Another one if the account has an unusual activity. That is subject to account fraud and KYC might be imposed on that account.

[michellee]

I think the big central problem is in the following:

1 - casino owners are anonymous

2 - casino employees are anonymous

3 - casinos do not say where and how they keep people's documents

So why should people submit documents to anonymous people's websites?

People submit their documents if they want to withdraw bigger money from that casino because some casinos will have that limitation. And if people do not send the documents, they can satisfy with withdrawing a small amount and I think they can withdraw continuously. So that is just one way for people to solve a larger amount of money for withdrawing to their other wallets.

[hahay]

Yes, you shouldn't be surprised when they ask but most of them too are not really pushing that as long as the user is clean. And those users that have been asked for it.

Gambling sites just asked for additional KYC for big withdrawals or alarming winnings. In that case, users just have to be true to themselves.

KYC is just for the account's unique profile so that in case of attempted big withdrawals, it can't be allowed easily if the account was hacked and the only one who can withdraw that is the original user.

Another one if the account has an unusual activity. That is subject to account fraud and KYC might be imposed on that account.

Not only about large withdrawal amounts, there are also gambling sites out there that offer a bonus but on KYC terms, but that's just an option I guess we can still ignore. But related to large withdrawals I think it can only be done if he is a pro gambler, because for amateur gamblers it is still possible to ignore KYC because it will only play with money that is ready to be lost and most of us just to play for free time and fun. So yes, KYC or not I think it's just an option which in reality can still be avoided.

[Marvelman]

Yes, you shouldn't be surprised when they ask but most of them too are not really pushing that as long as the user is clean. And those users that have been asked for it.

Gambling sites just asked for additional KYC for big withdrawals or alarming winnings. In that case, users just have to be true to themselves.

KYC is just for the account's unique profile so that in case of attempted big withdrawals, it can't be allowed easily if the account was hacked and the only one who can withdraw that is the original user.

Another one if the account has an unusual activity. That is subject to account fraud and KYC might be imposed on that account.

That pretty much covers it, yeah.
Generally, gambling sites have arranged their Terms of Service in such a way that KYC can be requested for any account at any time.

[geegaw]

I think the big central problem is in the following:

1 - casino owners are anonymous

2 - casino employees are anonymous

3 - casinos do not say where and how they keep people's documents

So why should people submit documents to anonymous people's websites?

People submit their documents if they want to withdraw bigger money from that casino because some casinos will have that limitation. And if people do not send the documents, they can satisfy with withdrawing a small amount and I think they can withdraw continuously. So that is just one way for people to solve a larger amount of money for withdrawing to their other wallets.

There is quite a bit of sensitivity surrounding this private submission process, for some people and casinos, this is a way for some large withdrawals to happen safely and easily, sometimes it's also a form of determining the age of the participants when seriously, too many kids are curious about forms of gambling and it becomes a risk for them and the casino, the government doesn't like kids here. However, the author also raised his opinion about the ambiguities and risks of the document, it's hard to make things clear in this anonymous environment, it probably takes trust from both sides

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[Natalim]

Yes, you shouldn't be surprised when they ask but most of them too are not really pushing that as long as the user is clean. And those users that have been asked for it.

Gambling sites just asked for additional KYC for big withdrawals or alarming winnings. In that case, users just have to be true to themselves.

KYC is just for the account's unique profile so that in case of attempted big withdrawals, it can't be allowed easily if the account was hacked and the only one who can withdraw that is the original user.

Another one if the account has an unusual activity. That is subject to account fraud and KYC might be imposed on that account.

It's the site that will determine that, and we just have to comply with the requirements. I guess we should be ready whenever there's a KYC requirement as it would really happen anytime to see especially if we got big winnings and if it already triggers their mandatory KYC rules for such. I know we want to maintain the anonymity regardless of the amount we are gambling, or transacting, but things have change, as the crypto space becomes more regulated, this policy is becoming a basic requirement.

[michellee]

I think the big central problem is in the following:

1 - casino owners are anonymous

2 - casino employees are anonymous

3 - casinos do not say where and how they keep people's documents

So why should people submit documents to anonymous people's websites?

People submit their documents if they want to withdraw bigger money from that casino because some casinos will have that limitation. And if people do not send the documents, they can satisfy with withdrawing a small amount and I think they can withdraw continuously. So that is just one way for people to solve a larger amount of money for withdrawing to their other wallets.

There is quite a bit of sensitivity surrounding this private submission process, for some people and casinos, this is a way for some large withdrawals to happen safely and easily, sometimes it's also a form of determining the age of the participants when seriously, too many kids are curious about forms of gambling and it becomes a risk for them and the casino, the government doesn't like kids here. However, the author also raised his opinion about the ambiguities and risks of the document, it's hard to make things clear in this anonymous environment, it probably takes trust from both sides

I agree with you. When kids play online gambling, they will hide their activities from the adult and ask for the document from their parents or adult people in their house and send it to the casino easily. When it came to the kids, they will take responsibilities from their parents to assist their kids when they are online or use the internet.

If that is about trust, I think the gambler should search for the casino that they can trust and if they can find the casino which does not require KYC, that will be good for them as they can playing gambling and withdraw the money without a problem. Even if the casino needs them to verify their account, they will do that because they trust the casino and believe that the casino can protect the document.

[KTChampions]

Not only about large withdrawal amounts, there are also gambling sites out there that offer a bonus but on KYC terms, but that's just an option I guess we can still ignore. But related to large withdrawals I think it can only be done if he is a pro gambler, because for amateur gamblers it is still possible to ignore KYC because it will only play with money that is ready to be lost and most of us just to play for free time and fun. So yes, KYC or not I think it's just an option which in reality can still be avoided.

Yes, at the moment there are such options, but before, even when playing for large sums, everything was as simple and uncontrollable as possible. Then the conditions became tougher, I am sure that the trend is unambiguous and the amounts that are not under control will gradually decrease.

[Silberman]

Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.

That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.

Many casinos are very tolerant when it comes to asking for KYC, they know that if they ask this information to every single one of their clients then soon enough they are going to find themselves without clients as the majority of the people in this market care about their privacy, this is why you should not worry that much about this, however if you play with a big amount of money then you should prepare yourself and accept that sooner or later you will have to go through it especially if you win a significant amount of money.

Yes, that is why there will be a casino that still accept the member without asking about KYC. But they can limit the withdrawal amount for their members and if their members want to increase the limit, they need to do KYC. I think that is a fair thing from the casino as the casino does not want to break the regulation. A gambler itself needs to know about themselves and not using too big money if they do not want doing KYC. I think the casino want to help the gambler to control themselves but sometimes, a gambler itself want to break the limit.

I think the big central problem is in the following:

1 - casino owners are anonymous

2 - casino employees are anonymous

3 - casinos do not say where and how they keep people's documents

So why should people submit documents to anonymous people's websites?

This is without a doubt a problem of trust, people simply want to gamble and not deal with anything outside of that and casinos want to comply but since they are not in a bubble they need to also comply with the law, and the law asks them to get some KYC information from their clients, but as you said people do not want to comply because how is it possible to trust in any entity in this market when we know that scams are so common? And once your documents are out there we know there is no way to get them back.

[bL4nkcode]

[...] if you want your money and privacy safe, play on proven gambling sites that knows how to protect your money and data.

Known trusted gambling websites doesn't have an assurance that they can protect your data, including kyc and non-kyc data in case of breach, inside job or so.

It will still have issues in the future. What people/gamblers can do is to minimize the damage, and only play or give your personal info to those known long-running reputed website.

[chaser15]

What people/gamblers can do is to minimize the damage, and only play or give your personal info to those known long-running reputed website.

I agree if there's no choice after all.

Gamblers should be ready to comply with KYC especially if big winnings are experienced in the progress. We have no choice after all if that's the requirement before we can claim big winnings since we want that money. But for small winnings or something below $5,000 for example, KYC shouldn't be trigger here. Only for alarming, unusual, or something like that.

[Rabi3]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

the answer for me is no, i would avoid that for sure, unless it has something that other casinos don't, like a particular game or some kind of a promotion, otherwise no, most of us who joined bitcoin a little bit early, were searching for anonymity, so KYC is the last option for us.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

just like you said, i can trust big and known websites with my ID and such, but there is just no way i can trust some random less known casino, no way.

[freedomgo]

What people/gamblers can do is to minimize the damage, and only play or give your personal info to those known long-running reputed website.

I agree if there's no choice after all.

Gamblers should be ready to comply with KYC especially if big winnings are experienced in the progress. We have no choice after all if that's the requirement before we can claim big winnings since we want that money. But for small winnings or something below $5,000 for example, KYC shouldn't be trigger here. Only for alarming, unusual, or something like that.

That's a huge amount, I would not let go of it by not complying with the KYC, of course, I would not hesitate to comply with the requirement and claim that money. We gamble to win, and winning big money is an ultimate success, so why not just comply and claim it, unless you are hiding something that you are afraid to give you identity to the site.

[bL4nkcode]

unless you are hiding something that you are afraid to give you identity to the site.

Sometimes it doesn't work like that, even if you do not hide something illegal or not. That's still your privacy and it can't be bought by just xxxxx digits of money if you really care your privacy especially in the internet, there are lots of identity theft incidents happen every time. Even the known reputed websites (Ledger) after it got breached it ends up exposing their customer's data and that's really bad. And that's the cons and risks everytime you use such websites that ask personal info.

[freedomgo]

unless you are hiding something that you are afraid to give you identity to the site.

Sometimes it doesn't work like that, even if you do not hide something illegal or not. That's still your privacy and it can't be bought by just xxxxx digits of money if you really care your privacy especially in the internet, there are lots of identity theft incidents happen every time. Even the known reputed websites (Ledger) after it got breached it ends up exposing their customer's data and that's really bad. And that's the cons and risks everytime you use such websites that ask personal info.

I understand that risk, but I'm willing to take the risk to claim $5,000, it's huge money and besides, I would not gamble on the site that I don't trust, they have also their reputation to take care of, so they need to take care of our information if they don't want their business to get destroyed.

[ethereumhunter]

What people/gamblers can do is to minimize the damage, and only play or give your personal info to those known long-running reputed website.

I agree if there's no choice after all.

Gamblers should be ready to comply with KYC especially if big winnings are experienced in the progress. We have no choice after all if that's the requirement before we can claim big winnings since we want that money. But for small winnings or something below $5,000 for example, KYC shouldn't be trigger here. Only for alarming, unusual, or something like that.

The casino that cares about its members will not try to ask KYC for them as the casino respects their identity. It is okay if the casino applies KYC for a gambler who wants to withdraw big money from winning because the casino wants to know who their customer is. But we need to be careful if we want to do KYC and only select the casino with good reputations to protect their members.

[Silberman]

What people/gamblers can do is to minimize the damage, and only play or give your personal info to those known long-running reputed website.

I agree if there's no choice after all.

Gamblers should be ready to comply with KYC especially if big winnings are experienced in the progress. We have no choice after all if that's the requirement before we can claim big winnings since we want that money. But for small winnings or something below $5,000 for example, KYC shouldn't be trigger here. Only for alarming, unusual, or something like that.

In a perfect world for us which like to keep our privacy we could gamble and win as much as we could and never have to go through KYC, but things do not really work like that, so as you say if someone earns a big prize then it is natural to go through KYC, however this is why it is important to choose a good casino from the beginning, as there are many people that get lucky and are happy about it and then get hit with a KYC request and then they are doubtful about doing it since they gambled in a casino with a dubious reputation.

[Text]

What if we reverse the situation?  The gambler will request KYC at a casino when they lose big?  Yes, they have control over our account, and they can do what they want and say that someone suspiciously created an account such as multiple accounts even though there isn't any, they also don't provide evidence on the allegations, and then they go in, they demand Identification.

[tabas]

Yes, you shouldn't be surprised when they ask but most of them too are not really pushing that as long as the user is clean. And those users that have been asked for it.

Gambling sites just asked for additional KYC for big withdrawals or alarming winnings. In that case, users just have to be true to themselves.

KYC is just for the account's unique profile so that in case of attempted big withdrawals, it can't be allowed easily if the account was hacked and the only one who can withdraw that is the original user.

Another one if the account has an unusual activity. That is subject to account fraud and KYC might be imposed on that account.

What the other gamblers are worried is that they're expecting that even if they do not do anything, they'll be asked for a kyc. But that's wrong and they shouldn't worry with that because as long as those withdrawals that they create as not that much and it's not alarming the casino they gamble.
They can keep going on without being asked for the kyc.

[KTChampions]

some gambling platforms often do KYC when they get users to withdraw the profits they get with very large amounts, this is done in my opinion because this gambling place wants to know who these people are and maybe the positive side is that one day they will will get interesting offers from the gambling place which they can send to an email address or other.

I have not heard anything funnier! Do you really think this is an equivalent exchange - to give your data (when withdrawing a large amount of money) to someone who is not 100% reliable and in return to receive the opportunity to receive some kind of spam offer in the future? I don't think there is a person in the entire universe who would be interested in such an exchange.

[agustina2]

some gambling platforms often do KYC when they get users to withdraw the profits they get with very large amounts, this is done in my opinion because this gambling place wants to know who these people are and maybe the positive side is that one day they will will get interesting offers from the gambling place which they can send to an email address or other.

I don't understand what are you trying to point there.  Can you explain clearly?

Do you mean a recognition of the gambling site on the location/area/region of that one that will be involved in their KYC? I can't see any connection in both particular cases.

If KYC is requested by those large winnings, there is no other purpose of it rather than the site wants the personal information of the winner.

[passwordnow]

some gambling platforms often do KYC when they get users to withdraw the profits they get with very large amounts, this is done in my opinion because this gambling place wants to know who these people are and maybe the positive side is that one day they will will get interesting offers from the gambling place which they can send to an email address or other.

That's no positive side. They won't ask you KYC just for you to get the positive side. A kyc isn't just all about emails, you'll be sending your personal identity to them and if they're going to offer us some good and interesting offers or promos, our emails shall be enough for them to send it. But in some casinos, they give incentives and that's what I think you're saying but not all of us likes to have it unless you're really relying on that casino and you're benefiting from it.

[tippytoes]

some gambling platforms often do KYC when they get users to withdraw the profits they get with very large amounts, this is done in my opinion because this gambling place wants to know who these people are and maybe the positive side is that one day they will will get interesting offers from the gambling place which they can send to an email address or other.

That's no positive side. They won't ask you KYC just for you to get the positive side. A kyc isn't just all about emails, you'll be sending your personal identity to them and if they're going to offer us some good and interesting offers or promos, our emails shall be enough for them to send it. But in some casinos, they give incentives and that's what I think you're saying but not all of us likes to have it unless you're really relying on that casino and you're benefiting from it.

Yes, KYC entails a lot more than email but actual identity of the player like submitting the passport or any valid ID. Some are even requiring to send a bill payment where your address is indicated. So if they just want to send you offers/bonuses, they can easily do that by using your email. KYC has different purpose to the casino and that is to validate the identity of the user. Or some will require this when the user got large winnings, and the casino wants to delay the payment or they don't want to release the winnings.

[imstillthebest]

some gambling platforms often do KYC when they get users to withdraw the profits they get with very large amounts, this is done in my opinion because this gambling place wants to know who these people are

yes because can be tracked easily if found out that they are cheating or only uses the casino to launder money .
on some cases a casino request kyc if the gambler has an issue with his account and wants it to be fixed .

and maybe the positive side is that one day they will will get interesting offers from the gambling place which they can send to an email address or other.

this is true  .  
there are some sites that offers exclusive promotions but only to the costumer that have verified his account and verifying account can include a kyc  .

[passwordnow]

some gambling platforms often do KYC when they get users to withdraw the profits they get with very large amounts, this is done in my opinion because this gambling place wants to know who these people are and maybe the positive side is that one day they will will get interesting offers from the gambling place which they can send to an email address or other.

That's no positive side. They won't ask you KYC just for you to get the positive side. A kyc isn't just all about emails, you'll be sending your personal identity to them and if they're going to offer us some good and interesting offers or promos, our emails shall be enough for them to send it. But in some casinos, they give incentives and that's what I think you're saying but not all of us likes to have it unless you're really relying on that casino and you're benefiting from it.

Yes, KYC entails a lot more than email but actual identity of the player like submitting the passport or any valid ID. Some are even requiring to send a bill payment where your address is indicated. So if they just want to send you offers/bonuses, they can easily do that by using your email. KYC has different purpose to the casino and that is to validate the identity of the user. Or some will require this when the user got large winnings, and the casino wants to delay the payment or they don't want to release the winnings.

Not just large wins but also some activities that they suspect to be unauthorized through changing of the normal activity by that gambler. And that's why they want to ask you your identity to see if you really are that person and nothing has changed. It really depends to the casino and it's no longer a secret that there are casinos that will surprise you with a kyc even if you're doing nothing but because of those few reasons, you'll figure it out that's why they've asked you for it.

[Silberman]

What if we reverse the situation?  The gambler will request KYC at a casino when they lose big?  Yes, they have control over our account, and they can do what they want and say that someone suspiciously created an account such as multiple accounts even though there isn't any, they also don't provide evidence on the allegations, and then they go in, they demand Identification.

It is difficult this is actually going to happen, I mean the player is the one that out of their own volition is playing at the casino and as long as the TOS was respected and the casino is probably fair then there is no reason the casino does this, is it unfair? In a way I think, but they are not forcing anyone to play at their casino so you are the one that needs to follow their rules and not the other way around.

[just_Alice]

and maybe the positive side is that one day they will will get interesting offers from the gambling place which they can send to an email address or other.

this is true  .  
there are some sites that offers exclusive promotions but only to the costumer that have verified his account and verifying account can include a kyc  .

To send offers and bonuses they only need an email, so knowing the identity for such purposes is unnecessary. Why should the casino care who you really are, when instead they can judge you by your performance on the platform (e.g. how much money do you spend, how often do you gamble), that would be fair.

On the other hand, I don't understand why everyone is so angry about these verifications, it's not like the casino will expose your data to the media, or tell on you to your government where gambling might be illegal. KYC can be long and tedious, but IMO there's nothing so horrible about it, if you're not a well-known criminal, of course

[Text]

It is difficult this is actually going to happen, I mean the player is the one that out of their own volition is playing at the casino and as long as the TOS was respected and the casino is probably fair then there is no reason the casino does this, is it unfair? In a way I think, but they are not forcing anyone to play at their casino so you are the one that needs to follow their rules and not the other way around.

Yeah, that's why I avoid playing on casino sites where Identification or verification becomes mandatory before playing on their platform.  So as long as there are crypto gambling sites that do not require KYC, I will continue to play there.  Yes, I know that others can request KYC later if it is really necessary and I am aware of that ToS, I am ready to do it and follow what they ask me to do when I know it is in accordance.

[chaser15]

What the other gamblers are worried is that they're expecting that even if they do not do anything, they'll be asked for a kyc.

I don't see any complaints yet where gambling site asked their users to comply with KYC even they don't do anything.

Usually, gambling sites asked KYC for the first time if they saw an account winning a big amount, violation of terms, bug abuse, promotional and events abuse, and many more. If the user is not doing anything related to those I have mentioned, I don't think KYC will be requested so no need to worry.

To prevent that, then play with the big sites instead that don't have an issue or terms about KYC.

[harizen]

On the other hand, I don't understand why everyone is so angry about these verifications, it's not like the casino will expose your data to the media,

It's because it's not how crypto-gambling sites should be. It's totally different from other crypto platforms like crypto exchanges. Gamblers shift into crypto gambling because of the advantages of using crypto. Gambling sites should not be mandated just like the crypto exchanges.

KYC shouldn't be a necessary requirement when we want to play on crypto-gambling sites. Remember that there are lots of gambling sites and on average, we do gamble to at least more than 5 of them.

Will you comply with KYC at all sites you are using if they will ask you to do it even you are just a casual gambler or small bettor?

[sujonali1819]

I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.


1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

No, I would not to be interested to play any gambling site who could ask about KYC before making withdraw. Even I would not also be interested to do KYC in a new crypto exchange or anything else in crypto.

2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

No, I don't feel it's safe. Personal Information is very important stuff in internet. If we don't make sure our own privacy in the internet maybe we could be faced some huge problem in life.

[Fortify]

On the other hand, I don't understand why everyone is so angry about these verifications, it's not like the casino will expose your data to the media,

It's because it's not how crypto-gambling sites should be. It's totally different from other crypto platforms like crypto exchanges. Gamblers shift into crypto gambling because of the advantages of using crypto. Gambling sites should not be mandated just like the crypto exchanges.

KYC shouldn't be a necessary requirement when we want to play on crypto-gambling sites. Remember that there are lots of gambling sites and on average, we do gamble to at least more than 5 of them.

Will you comply with KYC at all sites you are using if they will ask you to do it even you are just a casual gambler or small bettor?

I think that anonymity is one of the only benefits you could get from using a cryptocurrency gambling site, so if you don't have that then you might as well be gambling with fiat money. On that note, it works both ways - I am happy to gamble on a site that has built up a solid reputation with active support, regardless of where their operation is based, however I am definitely not comfortable handing over personal documents to such a company. Identity theft is a very real threat that can cause a lot of ruin and handing over such verification documents can lead to a whole load of problems for you in future if they leak out to the wrong people.

[john_nautica]

On the other hand, I don't understand why everyone is so angry about these verifications, it's not like the casino will expose your data to the media,

It's because it's not how crypto-gambling sites should be. It's totally different from other crypto platforms like crypto exchanges. Gamblers shift into crypto gambling because of the advantages of using crypto. Gambling sites should not be mandated just like the crypto exchanges.

KYC shouldn't be a necessary requirement when we want to play on crypto-gambling sites. Remember that there are lots of gambling sites and on average, we do gamble to at least more than 5 of them.

Will you comply with KYC at all sites you are using if they will ask you to do it even you are just a casual gambler or small bettor?

I think that anonymity is one of the only benefits you could get from using a cryptocurrency gambling site, so if you don't have that then you might as well be gambling with fiat money. On that note, it works both ways - I am happy to gamble on a site that has built up a solid reputation with active support, regardless of where their operation is based, however I am definitely not comfortable handing over personal documents to such a company. Identity theft is a very real threat that can cause a lot of ruin and handing over such verification documents can lead to a whole load of problems for you in future if they leak out to the wrong people.

I see where you are coming from and I totally agree with what you said. Although I would also play and provide a KYC if asked by a reputable company of a crypto-casino, it will never make me confident and secured that my information goes out there and is known by someone else with the risk of being leaked or used for ill faith purposes.

[just_Alice]

On the other hand, I don't understand why everyone is so angry about these verifications, it's not like the casino will expose your data to the media,

It's because it's not how crypto-gambling sites should be. It's totally different from other crypto platforms like crypto exchanges. Gamblers shift into crypto gambling because of the advantages of using crypto. Gambling sites should not be mandated just like the crypto exchanges.

KYC shouldn't be a necessary requirement when we want to play on crypto-gambling sites. Remember that there are lots of gambling sites and on average, we do gamble to at least more than 5 of them.

Will you comply with KYC at all sites you are using if they will ask you to do it even you are just a casual gambler or small bettor?

I don't think so, normally I'd also choose the option with no KYC verification, but in case you receive bounties and large bonuses from the casino, which helped you to gain a lot of profit - I think that's the action one should be willing to take, especially if this request was indicated in the ToS, that's all I'm saying.

[coupable]

I see where you are coming from and I totally agree with what you said. Although I would also play and provide a KYC if asked by a reputable company of a crypto-casino, it will never make me confident and secured that my information goes out there and is known by someone else with the risk of being leaked or used for ill faith purposes.

I would agree with you if you were about to choose which casino to use then chose the trusted one even you know will as for KYC. However, i would also think about the reason to use a casino working with crypto at first place. Crypto provides more anonymity that should be saved for some major reasons.
Even with the most secure compagnies, never be confident that your info won't be leacked for a reason or another .

[KTChampions]

I don't think so, normally I'd also choose the option with no KYC verification, but in case you receive bounties and large bonuses from the casino, which helped you to gain a lot of profit - I think that's the action one should be willing to take, especially if this request was indicated in the ToS, that's all I'm saying.

If the casino requires KYC in the event of a bonus being issued and in order to avoid multi-accounts, then this looks reasonable. But in fact, any casino bonus is issued with such strict conditions that it makes no difference if someone can use it several times. I am rather skeptical about "bonuses" from casinos.

[Renampun]

some gambling platforms often do KYC when they get users to withdraw the profits they get with very large amounts, this is done in my opinion because this gambling place wants to know who these people are and maybe the positive side is that one day they will will get interesting offers from the gambling place which they can send to an email address or other.

There are also many gambling sites that initially do not require KYC but when there are many users they change it to KYC...

the average gambling site or another service still asks for personal data and user addresses when they want to send gifts, this means that KYC at the beginning is completely useless. With the current high competition in the crypto casino gambling business, we as users can freely choose sites that require KYC or not. Don't be fooled by trapping promotions, which may require KYC upon withdrawal.

[mv1986]

What the other gamblers are worried is that they're expecting that even if they do not do anything, they'll be asked for a kyc.

I don't see any complaints yet where gambling site asked their users to comply with KYC even they don't do anything.

Usually, gambling sites asked KYC for the first time if they saw an account winning a big amount, violation of terms, bug abuse, promotional and events abuse, and many more. If the user is not doing anything related to those I have mentioned, I don't think KYC will be requested so no need to worry.

To prevent that, then play with the big sites instead that don't have an issue or terms about KYC.

I wonder how some exchanges or crypto casinos still manage to circumvent KYC and AML regulation. Those are not just some shitty platforms. Cloudbet doesn't ask for KYC and Binance. I guess those two are the biggest players in their respective industry. Wouldn't it be extremely easy for regulators to approach them? How is Binance still getting around KYC?

[Maslate]

What the other gamblers are worried is that they're expecting that even if they do not do anything, they'll be asked for a kyc.

I don't see any complaints yet where gambling site asked their users to comply with KYC even they don't do anything.

Usually, gambling sites asked KYC for the first time if they saw an account winning a big amount, violation of terms, bug abuse, promotional and events abuse, and many more. If the user is not doing anything related to those I have mentioned, I don't think KYC will be requested so no need to worry.

To prevent that, then play with the big sites instead that don't have an issue or terms about KYC.

I wonder how some exchanges or crypto casinos still manage to circumvent KYC and AML regulation. Those are not just some shitty platforms. Cloudbet doesn't ask for KYC and Binance. I guess those two are the biggest players in their respective industry. Wouldn't it be extremely easy for regulators to approach them? How is Binance still getting around KYC?

Regulators have different requirements based on where a certain company is registered, if the regulators are not so strict, then they might not require a KYC up to a certain amount, just like Binance, if you transact at a certain amount below the limit, there's no need for KYC, but if you go higher, you are required to submit for the KYC requirement, so we are given a choice.

I think most of the casinos don't require a KYC, and KYC has only become a requirement on a case-to-case basis.
We should read the TOS for easy understanding, let us not speculate.

[Text]

The exchanger system is different in the casino.  I understand better why KYC needs to be required especially with its P2P trading feature, the main reason is to prevent someone from being scammed.  And because they also have a side to being centralized they support bank transfers and other fiat e-wallets.  When you submit a KYC to them it means that you trust the company, we know that the company and their reputation are verified.  On gambling sites, I understand others so they don't want KYC because they want to hide because if online gambling is illegal in their country especially if they really want to play even though they know it's illegal so they make a way.

[mv1986]

What the other gamblers are worried is that they're expecting that even if they do not do anything, they'll be asked for a kyc.

I don't see any complaints yet where gambling site asked their users to comply with KYC even they don't do anything.

Usually, gambling sites asked KYC for the first time if they saw an account winning a big amount, violation of terms, bug abuse, promotional and events abuse, and many more. If the user is not doing anything related to those I have mentioned, I don't think KYC will be requested so no need to worry.

To prevent that, then play with the big sites instead that don't have an issue or terms about KYC.

I wonder how some exchanges or crypto casinos still manage to circumvent KYC and AML regulation. Those are not just some shitty platforms. Cloudbet doesn't ask for KYC and Binance. I guess those two are the biggest players in their respective industry. Wouldn't it be extremely easy for regulators to approach them? How is Binance still getting around KYC?

Regulators have different requirements based on where a certain company is registered, if the regulators are not so strict, then they might not require a KYC up to a certain amount, just like Binance, if you transact at a certain amount below the limit, there's no need for KYC, but if you go higher, you are required to submit for the KYC requirement, so we are given a choice.

I think most of the casinos don't require a KYC, and KYC has only become a requirement on a case-to-case basis.
We should read the TOS for easy understanding, let us not speculate.

Yes but when KYC and AML is meant to fight crime and get an overview about suspicious activities, check the limits on Binance. They are so high that you could easily money launder tremendous amounts. Same case for betting platforms. I can absolutely recommend to comply with the law, and that is what I do. But if you have criminal intentions it is still very easy to pull it off big time. You could just sign up several accounts with Binance and quickly have a limit over half a million USD, or just use several exchanges. From that perspective I could even understand regulators, but I am friend of crypto welcoming regulation that also makes it easy to use crypto while still being able to pay your proper taxes rather than build a massive surveillance apparatus.

The big guys do the surveillance on the small guys, but the small guys have no chance at all to see what's going in all the tax paradises. We can just be happy if journalism helps out like in the case of Panama Papers. Otherwise we wouldn't even have a glimpse of what's going on.

[Marvelman]

The big guys do the surveillance on the small guys, but the small guys have no chance at all to see what's going in all the tax paradises. We can just be happy if journalism helps out like in the case of Panama Papers. Otherwise we wouldn't even have a glimpse of what's going on.

It is well said and I agree with you. Small fish are easier to push around, while large sharks swim freely.

[tabas]

The exchanger system is different in the casino.  I understand better why KYC needs to be required especially with its P2P trading feature, the main reason is to prevent someone from being scammed.  And because they also have a side to being centralized they support bank transfers and other fiat e-wallets.  When you submit a KYC to them it means that you trust the company, we know that the company and their reputation are verified.  On gambling sites, I understand others so they don't want KYC because they want to hide because if online gambling is illegal in their country especially if they really want to play even though they know it's illegal so they make a way.

And it's not just about the reason to know if the player is playing on a country that has prohibited gambling and classified it as illegal.
But it's also that the gambler don't want to simply send his information to the casino, knowing that this guy is playing on their platform and has to send his identification to them.

[stadus]

The exchanger system is different in the casino.  I understand better why KYC needs to be required especially with its P2P trading feature, the main reason is to prevent someone from being scammed.  And because they also have a side to being centralized they support bank transfers and other fiat e-wallets.  When you submit a KYC to them it means that you trust the company, we know that the company and their reputation are verified.  On gambling sites, I understand others so they don't want KYC because they want to hide because if online gambling is illegal in their country especially if they really want to play even though they know it's illegal so they make a way.

And it's not just about the reason to know if the player is playing on a country that has prohibited gambling and classified it as illegal.
But it's also that the gambler don't want to simply send his information to the casino, knowing that this guy is playing on their platform and has to send his identification to them.

That's why we choose a crypto casino because we think we can play without submitting our personal information, if all the crypto casinos will require a KYC, then it's wiser to play with fiat casinos since they are more secured and most of them have operated for a long period of time already and their details are more transparent than a crypto casino.

[harizen]

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I don't think so, normally I'd also choose the option with no KYC verification, but in case you receive bounties and large bonuses from the casino, which helped you to gain a lot of profit - I think that's the action one should be willing to take, especially if this request was indicated in the ToS, that's all I'm saying.

Got the picture as even without reading the TOS of that bonus, it's expected that for every "BIG WINNINGS", there might be a possible request for a KYC verification. However, in most cases, even a user already complied with the KYC just to get those winnings, there's still a problem later on.

As for the post I have quoted from you "why people are angry or skeptical about these KYC" because the process will not end there. The site might probably tell that user of another violation of the terms and the next thing that will happen, you should already know.

[Silberman]

On the other hand, I don't understand why everyone is so angry about these verifications, it's not like the casino will expose your data to the media,

It's because it's not how crypto-gambling sites should be. It's totally different from other crypto platforms like crypto exchanges. Gamblers shift into crypto gambling because of the advantages of using crypto. Gambling sites should not be mandated just like the crypto exchanges.

KYC shouldn't be a necessary requirement when we want to play on crypto-gambling sites. Remember that there are lots of gambling sites and on average, we do gamble to at least more than 5 of them.

Will you comply with KYC at all sites you are using if they will ask you to do it even you are just a casual gambler or small bettor?

Well unfortunately things change, at the beginning when the gambling industry on this market was just starting out they could get away with not asking for KYC, but once they became big enough the governments came knocking at their door and forced them to do it, this is nothing new and this is something governments do all the time, but fortunately things are not so bad, if you are just a recreational player gambling in a casino that cares about their customers then most likely you will not have to go through any KYC process, but if you are using a lot of money or win a lot of money then this could be something inevitable you will have to go through.

[goinmerry]

but once they became big enough the governments came knocking at their door and forced them to do it, this is nothing new and this is something governments do all the time,

For real mate? I'm not aware if a crypto gambling site already imposed with that policy. What are those sites that become big now and government ask them to do KYC to their users?

Is this really happen on a crypto-gambling websites? KYC is a bad practice if a user just wants to play on a certain site. It's hard to attract gamblers if upon registration, they will ask to undergo KYC.  

Gamblers are everywhere and before picking a site, they are testing it first. KYC will be their obstacles so if they found a site that is like that, they will skip using it without even testing.

[just_Alice]

On the other hand, I don't understand why everyone is so angry about these verifications, it's not like the casino will expose your data to the media,

It's because it's not how crypto-gambling sites should be. It's totally different from other crypto platforms like crypto exchanges. Gamblers shift into crypto gambling because of the advantages of using crypto. Gambling sites should not be mandated just like the crypto exchanges.

KYC shouldn't be a necessary requirement when we want to play on crypto-gambling sites. Remember that there are lots of gambling sites and on average, we do gamble to at least more than 5 of them.

Will you comply with KYC at all sites you are using if they will ask you to do it even you are just a casual gambler or small bettor?

Well unfortunately things change, at the beginning when the gambling industry on this market was just starting out they could get away with not asking for KYC, but once they became big enough the governments came knocking at their door and forced them to do it, this is nothing new and this is something governments do all the time, but fortunately things are not so bad, if you are just a recreational player gambling in a casino that cares about their customers then most likely you will not have to go through any KYC process, but if you are using a lot of money or win a lot of money then this could be something inevitable you will have to go through.

Why do you think it's the government that forced to demand KYC? IMO it doesn't make any sense because numerous unlicensed casinos still require KYC verification, and the fact that this requirement comes upon big wins, especially with bonuses makes it even more strange. Why would the government care who uses the bonuses and who wins what?

The way I see it and the way @harizen described it and I think he's probably right, is that KYC is something casinos want for themselves and many use it to, basically, create a huge pain in the ass in order to withdraw funds after big wins. Indeed, I know several cases where people just gave up hundreds of $ on their balance because they've had a really hard time passing the KYC verification, with numerous naggings, rejections, which eventually led to unsubstantiated bans.

On a positive note, not all casinos are like that, sometimes KYC goes very easily and smoothly, with no funny business involved.

[Botnake]

On the other hand, I don't understand why everyone is so angry about these verifications, it's not like the casino will expose your data to the media,

It's because it's not how crypto-gambling sites should be. It's totally different from other crypto platforms like crypto exchanges. Gamblers shift into crypto gambling because of the advantages of using crypto. Gambling sites should not be mandated just like the crypto exchanges.

KYC shouldn't be a necessary requirement when we want to play on crypto-gambling sites. Remember that there are lots of gambling sites and on average, we do gamble to at least more than 5 of them.

Will you comply with KYC at all sites you are using if they will ask you to do it even you are just a casual gambler or small bettor?

Well unfortunately things change, at the beginning when the gambling industry on this market was just starting out they could get away with not asking for KYC, but once they became big enough the governments came knocking at their door and forced them to do it, this is nothing new and this is something governments do all the time, but fortunately things are not so bad, if you are just a recreational player gambling in a casino that cares about their customers then most likely you will not have to go through any KYC process, but if you are using a lot of money or win a lot of money then this could be something inevitable you will have to go through.

Why do you think it's the government that forced to demand KYC? IMO it doesn't make any sense because numerous unlicensed casinos still require KYC verification, and the fact that this requirement comes upon big wins, especially with bonuses makes it even more strange. Why would the government care who uses the bonuses and who wins what?

The way I see it and the way @harizen described it and I think he's probably right, is that KYC is something casinos want for themselves and many use it to, basically, create a huge pain in the ass in order to withdraw funds after big wins. Indeed, I know several cases where people just gave up hundreds of $ on their balance because they've had a really hard time passing the KYC verification, with numerous naggings, rejections, which eventually led to unsubstantiated bans.

On a positive note, not all casinos are like that, sometimes KYC goes very easily and smoothly, with no funny business involved.

That could be some of the reasons that we have to consider, have to put it this way if a casino is really required to impose KYC on its clients, then it should not be limited to some people only, and their policy should be based on what the regulators impose to them to implement.

Win big and you'll be required with KYC, isn't it disappointing? I mean, instead of aiming to win big, we have some doubts that if we win we might not be able to pass the KYC because we might fail, this should also be looked up as I've seen a lot of cases where people make a scam accusation on a site because they are suspected cheating or the accounts have abnormal movement, hence they are required and KYC and did not pass.

[carlisle1]

Why do you think it's the government that forced to demand KYC? IMO it doesn't make any sense because numerous unlicensed casinos still require KYC verification, and the fact that this requirement comes upon big wins, especially with bonuses makes it even more strange. Why would the government care who uses the bonuses and who wins what?

The way I see it and the way @harizen described it and I think he's probably right, is that KYC is something casinos want for themselves and many use it to, basically, create a huge pain in the ass in order to withdraw funds after big wins. Indeed, I know several cases where people just gave up hundreds of $ on their balance because they've had a really hard time passing the KYC verification, with numerous naggings, rejections, which eventually led to unsubstantiated bans.

On a positive note, not all casinos are like that, sometimes KYC goes very easily and smoothly, with no funny business involved.

Not good with this kind of discussion but I see your point, why do government will ask for something that in the first place they are not involve with,

speaking about those big winnings from the casinos and when you are in the process of withdrawing those money.

Not for the government but for the house to have more time to investigate and see if there's some lapses with your accounts, maybe they are taking some time to delay the payments  just saying.

[poldanmig]

Why do you think it's the government that forced to demand KYC? IMO it doesn't make any sense because numerous unlicensed casinos still require KYC verification, and the fact that this requirement comes upon big wins, especially with bonuses makes it even more strange. Why would the government care who uses the bonuses and who wins what?

I think KYC is a very important thing for an official casino that already has an official license from a government, in addition to keeping users safe both in withdrawals and also deposits of money, kyc can also be a way for the government or the casinos themselves to prevent underage gambling from happening because in my opinion underage gambling is a very sensitive subject in the gambling industry and there are no casinos legitimate ones who wish to promote it in any way. However, we still have to make sure that the casino that asks for the KYC has a valid permit and is supervised by the authorities of a country so that the data we provide will remain confidential.

[KTChampions]

I think KYC is a very important thing for an official casino that already has an official license from a government, in addition to keeping users safe both in withdrawals and also deposits of money, kyc can also be a way for the government or the casinos themselves to prevent underage gambling from happening because in my opinion underage gambling is a very sensitive subject in the gambling industry and there are no casinos legitimate ones who wish to promote it in any way. However, we still have to make sure that the casino that asks for the KYC has a valid permit and is supervised by the authorities of a country so that the data we provide will remain confidential.

Are you talking about crypto casinos or those that use fiat? They have fundamentally different ideologies, and even if you just think logically, there is no point in using cryptocurrency in a casino that is completely in the legal field. But since we use crypt, then we have our own special expectations from the casino and we clearly do not want KYC and other procedures imposed by the government.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think KYC is a very important thing for an official casino that already has an official license from a government, in addition to keeping users safe both in withdrawals and also deposits of money, kyc can also be a way for the government or the casinos themselves to prevent underage gambling from happening because in my opinion underage gambling is a very sensitive subject in the gambling industry and there are no casinos legitimate ones who wish to promote it in any way. However, we still have to make sure that the casino that asks for the KYC has a valid permit and is supervised by the authorities of a country so that the data we provide will remain confidential.

There is something to note about this topic, first of all, nobody likes to give their data and details because there are many who are fascinated by privacy and anonymity, when it comes to requirements imposed by a government, people are usually irreverent , and most licenses limit. the freedom of the people, that is, that is when the restrictions and prohibited countries come out, in addition, the authenticity of a casino is compromised by not having said licenses, since they begin to suspect the confidence of the casino, in this case, I believe that it is the greatest of all obligations on the part of the casino to follow the KYC requirements, although it is not fair, unfortunately casinos must follow some rules and those are the ones imposed by KYC.

[Maslate]

I think KYC is a very important thing for an official casino that already has an official license from a government, in addition to keeping users safe both in withdrawals and also deposits of money, kyc can also be a way for the government or the casinos themselves to prevent underage gambling from happening because in my opinion underage gambling is a very sensitive subject in the gambling industry and there are no casinos legitimate ones who wish to promote it in any way. However, we still have to make sure that the casino that asks for the KYC has a valid permit and is supervised by the authorities of a country so that the data we provide will remain confidential.

Are you talking about crypto casinos or those that use fiat? They have fundamentally different ideologies, and even if you just think logically, there is no point in using cryptocurrency in a casino that is completely in the legal field. But since we use crypt, then we have our own special expectations from the casino and we clearly do not want KYC and other procedures imposed by the government.

That's our expectations but things have changes already since crypto casinos now can demand KYC already. Lots of crypto casinos that state they demand KYC, but we also see a lot of crypto casinos that does not demand any, so we have a choice, but we can never say that crypto casinos do not demand KYC as it still depends on their regulators, and they just have to follow in order for their business to operate legally.

[Fatunad]

I think KYC is a very important thing for an official casino that already has an official license from a government, in addition to keeping users safe both in withdrawals and also deposits of money, kyc can also be a way for the government or the casinos themselves to prevent underage gambling from happening because in my opinion underage gambling is a very sensitive subject in the gambling industry and there are no casinos legitimate ones who wish to promote it in any way. However, we still have to make sure that the casino that asks for the KYC has a valid permit and is supervised by the authorities of a country so that the data we provide will remain confidential.

Are you talking about crypto casinos or those that use fiat? They have fundamentally different ideologies, and even if you just think logically, there is no point in using cryptocurrency in a casino that is completely in the legal field. But since we use crypt, then we have our own special expectations from the casino and we clearly do not want KYC and other procedures imposed by the government.

That's our expectations but things have changes already since crypto casinos now can demand KYC already. Lots of crypto casinos that state they demand KYC, but we also see a lot of crypto casinos that does not demand any, so we have a choice, but we can never say that crypto casinos do not demand KYC as it still depends on their regulators, and they just have to follow in order for their business to operate legally.

Wont really have any choice if those casinos would be imposing new rules or terms when it comes on asking kyc just because they had mandated to do so and as a business then its just normal
that they would really be abiding with the rules since the business would really be at stake on here and if we do hate up KYC then we can always switch up to another one and if we do consider on how
many casinos that we do have then i can say that there would be no shortage in terms of that because there are lots of choices for you to do so.
If you are really that badly like on the site you are currently playing and suddenly make out those changes then you do need to deal with the terms.