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June 01, 2021, 01:57:34 PM
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I still feel it would be wiser to still study the ones been vaccinated to see if there could arise an after effect before compelling others to get vaccinated.

Agree to that, but the government is urging the community to take the vaccines more on the preventive sides, they've wanted their citizen to take the shot.

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Personally I love playing online casinos and I find it more fun so if going to the play casino games offline is my main reason for been vaccinated then I might likely not get the vaccine.

really depends from how you see the impact and like you, if playing offline is the reason being vaccinated I won't take it as well.

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Although it's beyond just the casino games but i would still love to know the health status of those been vaccinated if it's worth encouraging others to get the vaccine as well.

good point, why encouraging other people to get the shot if you ain't sure about what will happen to your own body.
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June 01, 2021, 02:02:59 PM
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Don't spread fake news. How many people have died after receiving the vaccine? People die all the time, and unless you can prove that their deaths are directly connected to the administration of vaccine, you should stay away from posting such news. Vaccination has saved millions of lives till now. Many more could have been saved, but they refused to take the vaccine as a result of the constant propagation of fake news in social media. Those who propagate such news have their own intentions, but it is important to save lives and ignore this propaganda.

Does vaccine really save lives? It just creates antibodies and after it is up to your body. Also vaccine "works" only for one year (like flu shots).
Is this really a solution if I have to make this covid vaccine every year, still wear mask and still be a simple virus carrier?
I havent taken flu vaccine for years and havent caught that illness. Same is with covid. The real solution from covid is personal immune system.
Im more than sure that I was in close contact with covid person during 1.5 years. But still havent got ill. And I'm sure that if I get a vaccine, I will get a high temperature, will feel broken and my immune system will be damaged. So does vaccine really save my life or just gambles if it works or makes worse ?

Don't spread fake news. If you think that vaccines cause damage to your immune system, then provide proof for your claims. Your arguments are just laughable. Yes.. the immunity provided by the vaccine lasts for 12 to 60 months. That is why we need another booster shot after 12 months. But what is the problem with that? Right now vaccination is the only solution, whether you like it or not. You don't need to take vaccine or wear a mask, once COVID gets contained. But until then, you need to take these steps. Anyway, no one will force you to take a vaccine. If you don't want to take, then we can't force you.
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June 01, 2021, 02:23:45 PM
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Don't spread fake news. How many people have died after receiving the vaccine? People die all the time, and unless you can prove that their deaths are directly connected to the administration of vaccine, you should stay away from posting such news. Vaccination has saved millions of lives till now. Many more could have been saved, but they refused to take the vaccine as a result of the constant propagation of fake news in social media. Those who propagate such news have their own intentions, but it is important to save lives and ignore this propaganda.

Does vaccine really save lives? It just creates antibodies and after it is up to your body. Also vaccine "works" only for one year (like flu shots).
Is this really a solution if I have to make this covid vaccine every year, still wear mask and still be a simple virus carrier?
I havent taken flu vaccine for years and havent caught that illness. Same is with covid. The real solution from covid is personal immune system.
Im more than sure that I was in close contact with covid person during 1.5 years. But still havent got ill. And I'm sure that if I get a vaccine, I will get a high temperature, will feel broken and my immune system will be damaged. So does vaccine really save my life or just gambles if it works or makes worse ?

Immunity is a very complex entity.  You may be of the opinion that you have strong immunity. 

However, the strength may not be enough to defeat the disease (kill viruses or bacteria).  Strong immunity is an even more dangerous entity for the body than weak immunity.  The body begins to devour itself.  Strong immunity is manifested by a strong inflammatory process for the appearance of a virus in the body. 

Most of the people who died from pneumonia in the Covid-19 coronavirus had very strong immunity. 

They didn't die of the virus.  They died from a very strong reaction in their bodies.

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June 02, 2021, 04:15:14 AM
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Immunity is a very complex entity.  You may be of the opinion that you have strong immunity. 

However, the strength may not be enough to defeat the disease (kill viruses or bacteria).  Strong immunity is an even more dangerous entity for the body than weak immunity.  The body begins to devour itself.  Strong immunity is manifested by a strong inflammatory process for the appearance of a virus in the body. 

Most of the people who died from pneumonia in the Covid-19 coronavirus had very strong immunity. 

They didn't die of the virus.  They died from a very strong reaction in their bodies.

I agree. In my neighborhood, a majority of the individuals who died from COVID 19 during the second wave were healthy guys in their 30s and 40s (those who are above 45 got their vaccines and the second wave didn't affected them much). The mutant strains are behaving in a different way when compared to the original strain. Previously the virus was mostly affecting those above 60 years of age and for the younger age group without comorbidity, the mortality rate was near zero. But this has changed upside down with the entry of the mutant strains.

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June 02, 2021, 04:27:36 AM
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Immunity is a very complex entity.  You may be of the opinion that you have strong immunity. 

However, the strength may not be enough to defeat the disease (kill viruses or bacteria).  Strong immunity is an even more dangerous entity for the body than weak immunity.  The body begins to devour itself.  Strong immunity is manifested by a strong inflammatory process for the appearance of a virus in the body. 

Most of the people who died from pneumonia in the Covid-19 coronavirus had very strong immunity. 

They didn't die of the virus.  They died from a very strong reaction in their bodies.

I agree. In my neighborhood, a majority of the individuals who died from COVID 19 during the second wave were healthy guys in their 30s and 40s (those who are above 45 got their vaccines and the second wave didn't affected them much). The mutant strains are behaving in a different way when compared to the original strain. Previously the virus was mostly affecting those above 60 years of age and for the younger age group without comorbidity, the mortality rate was near zero. But this has changed upside down with the entry of the mutant strains.
That happens too in other places because they never expect to get infected by the virus.
The virus mutant seems to be a new variant that is more dangerous than the first virus because the number of people infected still increases.
The virus attack does not stop or reduce, but it seems the virus can now attack any healthy people without any disease.
Hopefully, getting the vaccine, take care of our health, and always be careful can prevent us from the virus.
Hopefully, we can cut the virus chain and always carefully in the public area and everything will be okay.

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June 02, 2021, 04:56:15 AM
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Residents of Melbourne (Australia) have found out the hard way that new Covid variants are being transmitted through non contact encounters in shops and venues outside their own homes.

It may be a short term gain allowing Casino patrons to attend premises mask free, however, in the longer term such encounters will act as super-spreaders until such time as the entire population is vaccinated.

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June 02, 2021, 05:04:40 AM
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The group with age 18 and below in 99% of the cases goes on without heavy symptoms and Covid 19 is passed without many problems.The fatalities in this group in most parts of the world are less than 1% and I think this is because the virus finds no weak points most of the time in this group.The real group at risk are those with allergic reactions because pregnant women and lactating mothers will not leave house often.We need another year or maximum two and I think the virus will be fully contained.
Since it is a mainly lung related as well that usually means the immune system is breached via the breathing, the body fights to keep the breathing going further than most other stuff, like it would let liver die before it lets lungs go, which is why it is one of the hardest fights in the world by the body. 18 year old has amazing lungs, they are active they probably play sports they are less likely to smoke they are basically living less so hurting less whereas elderly could be smoking or smoked and their lungs and immune system got super low and bad because of all that happened.

So, it is not really about "age" per se but more about shape of your body, isn't there some 60 year old who has a better body than me? I am sure there must be but I am sure there must be some 18 year old who has horrible body as well but the common average is obvious.

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June 02, 2021, 08:52:59 AM
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Don't spread fake news. How many people have died after receiving the vaccine? People die all the time, and unless you can prove that their deaths are directly connected to the administration of vaccine, you should stay away from posting such news. Vaccination has saved millions of lives till now. Many more could have been saved, but they refused to take the vaccine as a result of the constant propagation of fake news in social media. Those who propagate such news have their own intentions, but it is important to save lives and ignore this propaganda.

Does vaccine really save lives? It just creates antibodies and after it is up to your body. Also vaccine "works" only for one year (like flu shots).
Is this really a solution if I have to make this covid vaccine every year, still wear mask and still be a simple virus carrier?
I havent taken flu vaccine for years and havent caught that illness. Same is with covid. The real solution from covid is personal immune system.
Im more than sure that I was in close contact with covid person during 1.5 years. But still havent got ill. And I'm sure that if I get a vaccine, I will get a high temperature, will feel broken and my immune system will be damaged. So does vaccine really save my life or just gambles if it works or makes worse ?

Don't spread fake news. If you think that vaccines cause damage to your immune system, then provide proof for your claims. Your arguments are just laughable. Yes.. the immunity provided by the vaccine lasts for 12 to 60 months. That is why we need another booster shot after 12 months. But what is the problem with that? Right now vaccination is the only solution, whether you like it or not. You don't need to take vaccine or wear a mask, once COVID gets contained. But until then, you need to take these steps. Anyway, no one will force you to take a vaccine. If you don't want to take, then we can't force you.

Ok, next Monday is my turn to take second Phizer vaccine shot. All of my colleges or people I know, after getting a second vaccine shot, felt terrible, had high temperature, running nose, cough, headache for 2-3 days. How I understand this consequences - due to vaccine, their immune system weakened. If not - explain why all of them felt terrible. During these 2-3 days, they are at risk catching other viruses, or covid. After they got vaccine, they still wear masks, keep 2 meter distance.

Look how it looks to me:

No vaccine - people feel good, wear mask, keep social distance.
After vaccine - people are at risk catching new illnesses, wear mask, keep social distance.

You see? What is the point of making a vaccine, if you still can catch covid and have to take vaccine booster after 12m ? In what kind vaccine is the solution? Looks like a placebo effect more than a solution.

The only reason I've signed to take vaccine is to travel. As soon as I get my vaccinated passport, I will be free to visit any country I want.

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In fact, high fever, headache, cough, etc.  this is not a consequence of weak immunity, but rather the body's response to the vaccine. 

A vaccine is essentially a weakened virus (a virus lacking the ability to actively reproduce).  A vaccine is a completely foreign substance to your body.  Therefore, one should not be surprised that the body is trying to reject it.  Of course, normal immunity is great. 

But during a pandemic, it's too late to train him. 

This had to be done in advance - to go in for sports, often in the fresh air ...

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Wow! Good to know that those persons who are already got vaccine and vaccinated already will be able to play normally in the Casinos over Las Vegas! It is more comfortable to a gambler to play and gamble with the normal set-up than having masks and face shield while playing, for me it is kind of irritable especially for those who are having eye glasses. But I am hoping that although the gamblers that will play in the casinos although they are vaccinated already they must follow the rules and regulations for the sake of their safety.
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Wow! Good to know that those persons who are already got vaccine and vaccinated already will be able to play normally in the Casinos over Las Vegas! It is more comfortable to a gambler to play and gamble with the normal set-up than having masks and face shield while playing, for me it is kind of irritable especially for those who are having eye glasses. But I am hoping that although the gamblers that will play in the casinos although they are vaccinated already they must follow the rules and regulations for the sake of their safety.

It's good to have some upside for being vaccinated. Usually there is one or two days of side effects after the vaccine, so having now bonuses is great. Eventually we all should be vaccinated, but until this happens we need to divide people. In my country unfortunately it is still mandatory for everybody to wear masks. I hope it will only be a matter of weeks until this changes too.
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Ok, next Monday is my turn to take second Phizer vaccine shot. All of my colleges or people I know, after getting a second vaccine shot, felt terrible, had high temperature, running nose, cough, headache for 2-3 days. How I understand this consequences - due to vaccine, their immune system weakened. If not - explain why all of them felt terrible. During these 2-3 days, they are at risk catching other viruses, or covid. After they got vaccine, they still wear masks, keep 2 meter distance.

Look how it looks to me:

No vaccine - people feel good, wear mask, keep social distance.
After vaccine - people are at risk catching new illnesses, wear mask, keep social distance.

You see? What is the point of making a vaccine, if you still can catch covid and have to take vaccine booster after 12m ? In what kind vaccine is the solution? Looks like a placebo effect more than a solution.

The only reason I've signed to take vaccine is to travel. As soon as I get my vaccinated passport, I will be free to visit any country I want.

Even I had Pfizer vaccine (Comirnaty) two weeks ago. Felt the same, although the fever and pain lasted only for around 24 hours. The Comirnaty vaccine contains messenger RNA, which will trigger the production of virus protein in your body. During this process, your immune system reacts with the protein and that is the reason why you get fever and headache. Actually this only means that your immune system is in good shape. Your assumption that you are getting fever and other symptoms because the immune system is weakened, is not true. You can check this video, to get more information:

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/video/video-covid-mrna-vaccine
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Ok, next Monday is my turn to take second Phizer vaccine shot. All of my colleges or people I know, after getting a second vaccine shot, felt terrible, had high temperature, running nose, cough, headache for 2-3 days. How I understand this consequences - due to vaccine, their immune system weakened. If not - explain why all of them felt terrible. During these 2-3 days, they are at risk catching other viruses, or covid. After they got vaccine, they still wear masks, keep 2 meter distance.

Look how it looks to me:

No vaccine - people feel good, wear mask, keep social distance.
After vaccine - people are at risk catching new illnesses, wear mask, keep social distance.

You see? What is the point of making a vaccine, if you still can catch covid and have to take vaccine booster after 12m ? In what kind vaccine is the solution? Looks like a placebo effect more than a solution.

The only reason I've signed to take vaccine is to travel. As soon as I get my vaccinated passport, I will be free to visit any country I want.

Even I had Pfizer vaccine (Comirnaty) two weeks ago. Felt the same, although the fever and pain lasted only for around 24 hours. The Comirnaty vaccine contains messenger RNA, which will trigger the production of virus protein in your body. During this process, your immune system reacts with the protein and that is the reason why you get fever and headache. Actually this only means that your immune system is in good shape. Your assumption that you are getting fever and other symptoms because the immune system is weakened, is not true. You can check this video, to get more information:

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/video/video-covid-mrna-vaccine

but why is it that people who got the vaccine can still get infected?

i was asking my sister how things are when she got covid and seem she is okay and got vaccinated, the day she got the vaccine she felt tired and dizzy whenever she stands. the doctor says she is still going to come back in the next 6 months because the vaccine will not be potent by that time. so another injection for her again. her whole life i guess she has to keep injecting vaccines. the only consolation is that she can now go walk and go to the beach.





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June 02, 2021, 11:46:56 AM
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but why is it that people who got the vaccine can still get infected?
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The reason is that we have different immunity and such cases are very small.  Yes, the risk of re-infection with the virus does not go away even after vaccination, but the illness will gradually and continuously be reduced.

The one in your sister's case, how many days did she experience that after she was vaccinated?

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June 02, 2021, 12:13:29 PM
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but why is it that people who got the vaccine can still get infected?
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The reason is that we have different immunity and such cases are very small.  Yes, the risk of re-infection with the virus does not go away even after vaccination, but the illness will gradually and continuously be reduced.

The one in your sister's case, how many days did she experience that after she was vaccinated?

We need to understand how the vaccine works, of all the vaccines, they have the same use, the vaccine does only make your body strong to not feel the effect of the virus, but since you get infected, you can also infect people. So the goal here is to get everyone vaccinated because even if the virus will stay, we will not consider it anymore as a problem since we all have the vaccine to protect our body against the virus.

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June 02, 2021, 01:36:58 PM
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Don't spread fake news. How many people have died after receiving the vaccine? People die all the time, and unless you can prove that their deaths are directly connected to the administration of vaccine, you should stay away from posting such news. Vaccination has saved millions of lives till now. Many more could have been saved, but they refused to take the vaccine as a result of the constant propagation of fake news in social media. Those who propagate such news have their own intentions, but it is important to save lives and ignore this propaganda.

Does vaccine really save lives? It just creates antibodies and after it is up to your body. Also vaccine "works" only for one year (like flu shots).
Is this really a solution if I have to make this covid vaccine every year, still wear mask and still be a simple virus carrier?
I havent taken flu vaccine for years and havent caught that illness. Same is with covid. The real solution from covid is personal immune system.
Im more than sure that I was in close contact with covid person during 1.5 years. But still havent got ill. And I'm sure that if I get a vaccine, I will get a high temperature, will feel broken and my immune system will be damaged. So does vaccine really save my life or just gambles if it works or makes worse ?

Immunity is a very complex entity.  You may be of the opinion that you have strong immunity. 

However, the strength may not be enough to defeat the disease (kill viruses or bacteria).  Strong immunity is an even more dangerous entity for the body than weak immunity.  The body begins to devour itself.  Strong immunity is manifested by a strong inflammatory process for the appearance of a virus in the body. 

Most of the people who died from pneumonia in the Covid-19 coronavirus had very strong immunity. 

They didn't die of the virus.  They died from a very strong reaction in their bodies.

I disagree.

Having a strong immune system will never kill its host. People who got infected by the virus and died have weak immune system and medication is not enough to kill the virus. The percentage of getting infected by the virus (COVID-19) when you have a strong immune system is very very low, and if you get infected, mostly you'll recover fast due to your body reaction sending agents to defeat the virus with the help of medication of course.

It would be better if you'll provide scientific proof that strong immune system is a bad one if you'll get infected by the virus, because I'm not convinced.
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June 02, 2021, 02:05:46 PM
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I disagree.

Having a strong immune system will never kill its host. People who got infected by the virus and died have weak immune system and medication is not enough to kill the virus. The percentage of getting infected by the virus (COVID-19) when you have a strong immune system is very very low, and if you get infected, mostly you'll recover fast due to your body reaction sending agents to defeat the virus with the help of medication of course.

It would be better if you'll provide scientific proof that strong immune system is a bad one if you'll get infected by the virus, because I'm not convinced.
^ As far as I know, before you will become fully vaccinated, it will take a process of 42 days or 6 weeks for your body to have a strong immune system that immune to the virus. The reason for having a weak immune system because their body can not quickly adopt the process of the vaccine. So I don't think vaccinated can spare their mask in the casino, they are still at risk. Even though they do not have Faceshield but at least a facemask is mandatory because you will never know who will the carrier of the virus.
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June 02, 2021, 03:59:21 PM
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Wow! Good to know that those persons who are already got vaccine and vaccinated already will be able to play normally in the Casinos over Las Vegas! It is more comfortable to a gambler to play and gamble with the normal set-up than having masks and face shield while playing, for me it is kind of irritable especially for those who are having eye glasses. But I am hoping that although the gamblers that will play in the casinos although they are vaccinated already they must follow the rules and regulations for the sake of their safety.

It's good to have some upside for being vaccinated. Usually there is one or two days of side effects after the vaccine, so having now bonuses is great. Eventually we all should be vaccinated, but until this happens we need to divide people. In my country unfortunately it is still mandatory for everybody to wear masks. I hope it will only be a matter of weeks until this changes too.

Safety protocols as far as I see that implementations of wearing mask and face shields, The government in each countries wanted to contained the virus in any possible ways that they've known,

Good for those gamblers who already vaccinated they can enjoy now the physical enjoyment of playing their favorite games without using anything,

They are free to enjoy how they've love playing it as long as they are responsible enough following any safety guidelines of the casino place.

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June 02, 2021, 05:16:28 PM
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It's too early to implement this the whole world is not yet out of the wood yet, the virus is still mutating, there are reports of the new variant of the virus and it could still infect even if the person is already fully vaccinated and can have a severe symptoms, and if this happens there will be a new wave of infection, by wearing the mask and following the health protocol we are safe and can stop infection this is not the right time to relax.

But this vaccine is what we're really waiting to be able to give ourselves, our health the immune system that could fight against the harmful effect of this virus. I guess there's nothing wrong if fully individuals now spared in the casinos as long as the casino institution or casino business building may only allowed to enter their premises all people who are fully vaccinated because if this isn't like this then we'll be worried to thosw gambler who are not yet fully vaccinated coz i felt that they were the one who will deprive in this situation.
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June 02, 2021, 06:14:43 PM
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but why is it that people who got the vaccine can still get infected?

i was asking my sister how things are when she got covid and seem she is okay and got vaccinated, the day she got the vaccine she felt tired and dizzy whenever she stands. the doctor says she is still going to come back in the next 6 months because the vaccine will not be potent by that time. so another injection for her again. her whole life i guess she has to keep injecting vaccines. the only consolation is that she can now go walk and go to the beach.

The efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine is 95%. That means that there is a small chance of getting infected, even if you had two doses of the vaccine. But even if someone gets infected after getting fully vaccinated, the chances that the infection would result in death is near zero. And unless you guys have another, better option, we need to get vaccinated. And regarding the booster dose, Yes. After 12 months, we need to get a booster shot. Once again, unless there is a better option, we have no other choice.
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