Whales and the bull/bear market

[Woodie]

So do the whales have the ability to dump us into a bear market on their own?

Yes they do, think of them having this to be their bargaining chip into the markets, they ask for something and it doesn't happen then they will show us who is boss.

They would be able to buy cheap Bitcoin but if we're in a bear market they can't sell for huge profits (and then rinse and repeat) until the next bull run. Or is Bitcoin accumulation the be all end all for them?

As much as these guys can make big moves they need the smaller traders to make their moves otherwise markets won't make their moves.

[kawetsriyanto]

There are many whales in the crypto world. And they have their respective interests. And sometimes they also take advantage of various FUDs and FOMOs to play the market. yes, in my opinion personally, they can play with the market. Whales that have a big power to make prices go up or down can be seen from how much money is coming in or going out on the exchanges. And the victims, again, are middle to lower investors.
Of course this shouldn't happen, but for sure, they have that power and if they want it they will continue to be like that. And sometimes there is also a market war between whales, it's just a matter of waiting for who is more powerful against the market so that FUD and good news will continue to spread.

[cryptoaddictchie]

So do the whales have the ability to dump us into a bear market on their own?

They would be able to buy cheap Bitcoin but if we're in a bear market they can't sell for huge profits (and then rinse and repeat) until the next bull run. Or is Bitcoin accumulation the be all end all for them?

Whales can make it looks like it's bear and pull it down very low. Then if everything is on panic mode they will saw retailers keeps on selling on the market and if its over then they will start inject funds rapidly or market buys. This will consume them a lot of money but as they can lure other market to buy then they could see a good reversal and slowly will get their money again with profits.

[eminan]

I had no idea how much market manipulation was involved and how psychological the game really is. After this last crash I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen next so I pretty much took out all of my capital. I had to sell my best performing alts in order to offset the losses of the other ones (which stung really bad).

I might dip in again with much less capital and just play around with small moves here and there just to learn more.

Personally I don't think the bull market is over yet but risking a lot of capital is just not worth it. Now I'm thinking maybe just save most of my capital until the actual confirmed bear market and just dca on the best projects and hodl for long term investing.

 

[lovesmayfamilis]

Judging by the latest news, some whales, as usually happens, waited for the bitcoin correction, and bought bitcoin at a very good price for another $3 billion. https://bitcoindynamic.com/news/whales-take-advantage-of-sardine-desperation-and-buy-3-billion-in-bitcoin/
It's a common whale strategy to buy cheap. It is possible that they can manipulate the market in order to completely control it. By rocking the market, the whales are trying to make many traders panic and start selling, while they themselves continue to buy.

[BIT-BENDER]

The whales has many ways to swing us into a bear market yes they can, and not only in crypto-currency, in companies those with the highest share to the company can really set the fate of that company really fast.
But I don't think the whales would use selling of their bitcoin to create a bear market, when they can continue use influences from themselves, and the news, even to the government, like recently claims going around that the Chinese government play part in the immediate bear market. The whales are
+ Patient, tolerating
+ Has the money backing.
+ Influences
+ Capitalize on bleeding market
+ Futuristic people.

[Furryball]

Crypto market can go down on its own even when no whales are dumping their bags, if you can watch the old crypto market chart compares to date chart you will see that crypto market can only be bullish for some time only which thus open door for bear market too, it's like walking in a circle

[suzanne5223]

The whales have the capability to dump the crypto market into bearish but the whales are not the major player of this current market so it will difficult for a single whale cannot manipulate the market price but if two or more whales come together, they can manipulate the market price.

[eminan]

The whales have the capability to dump the crypto market into bearish but the whales are not the major player of this current market so it will difficult for a single whale cannot manipulate the market price but if two or more whales come together, they can manipulate the market price.

Do you mean the big institutions are the major players? It feels like retail is just along for the ride and are at the mercy of the institutions and whales.

All the analysis in the world (both technical and fundamental) doesn't seem to matter at all as long as the big players are in control. As a retail investor it honestly seems like market direction is a coin flip (especially now).

I entered the market this year and gradually put in more and more money to the point where it made me uncomfortable, so I sold with some profit after the recent crash and slight recovery. I'll regret if the market pumps from here but the risk was too great to handle another dump.

It seems to me that the "safest" way to invest is to gradually accumulate in the bear market years and then gradually sell during the bull market, while keeping the most promising bags for the long long term. I just got into crypto too late to build a proper foundation that could handle the volatility. But the lessons I've learned have been valuable. I bought back in at the last mini dip for a fraction of what I had invested before. Will suck if we just go up from here but the stress is palatable now. Just have to learn the right way to invest now.

[passwordnow]

Crypto market can go down on its own even when no whales are dumping their bags, if you can watch the old crypto market chart compares to date chart you will see that crypto market can only be bullish for some time only which thus open door for bear market too, it's like walking in a circle

I agree, there's no need for the approval of the whales to send the market down to bearish. There really is the season when the market should become bearish and bullish. During the early days, there's probably a little influence from them and it's likely the market is working on its own. I believe today that it is still working on its own but with a huge contribution by the whales already. To sum up, while the market can definitely walk on its own, the whales can at least give that motion where it should head.

[suzanne5223]

The whales have the capability to dump the crypto market into bearish but the whales are not the major player of this current market so it will difficult for a single whale cannot manipulate the market price but if two or more whales come together, they can manipulate the market price.

Do you mean the big institutions are the major players? It feels like retail is just along for the ride and are at the mercy of the institutions and whales.

Absolutely, institution and some private companies are the major investors since last year bullish market start. There is a tweet provider by a social media influence that contain the rank of crypto major holder in this current market. It sad I was unable to find the tweet link.

 

All the analysis in the world (both technical and fundamental) doesn't seem to matter at all as long as the big players are in control. As a retail investor it honestly seems like market direction is a coin flip (especially now).

and it hard to tell when the market correction/blood bath will happen this year this is the reason why i advice people to seize the market opportunities, sell half of their investment cause the market next trend is not certain.

I entered the market this year and gradually put in more and more money to the point where it made me uncomfortable, so I sold with some profit after the recent crash and slight recovery. I'll regret if the market pumps from here but the risk was too great to handle another dump.

There's no need to regret cause market blood bath is still coming and I'm scared this current market trend could the step into the bloodbath.

It seems to me that the "safest" way to invest is to gradually accumulate in the bear market years and then gradually sell during the bull market, while keeping the most promising bags for the long long term.

Yes, this is the perfect strategy for retailer investors whos not into day trading.

I just got into crypto too late to build a proper foundation that could handle the volatility. But the lessons I've learned have been valuable. I bought back in at the last mini dip for a fraction of what I had invested before. Will suck if we just go up from here but the stress is palatable now. Just have to learn the right way to invest now.

You are never late to get into crypto if you have the require knowledge and understand how to choose the best investment before the public accumulation.

[Rengga Jati]

They may have that kind of power to make the market dump or pump. And it makes sense.
Most whales commonly have had BTC from the very low rate and they are still holding at this moment. And the whales will have so many BTC.
And if they are want to make dump the price in order to buy it in dip, they can do it because they can sell the BTC amount that he bought when in $10k maybe and selling them in $30k.They have earned so many profits, isn't it? So, this makes sense. Moreover, if it is supported with the FUD spreading from the bad news, the whales can really control and play the market so easily.
However, there are also many whales in the crypto world. And maybe, they also don't have similar thought to dump the market. Probably, they will also like to fight to make the market dump or pump. And once more, whatever happens, the small traders or investors always become the victims.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

So do the whales have the ability to dump us into a bear market on their own?

Yes they do, he who has the money control the market, when there's fud the whales take advantage of this and manipulate the market, you as a retail investors that want to cut losses or secure profit panic and fall right into their traps. They make the market declines as the selling pressure become more dominant in the market.

Initially if there's no huge selling ongoing the market wouldn't reaction as much as it does when there's any small negative news regarding the industry. And for your concern on how they sell if the market is declining, are you forgetting we're in a very active market, one that never closes.

Actually their sale decline the market and we havee retail investors seeing every dump as an opportunity to come into the market, these are those they sell their coins to on the market and also already existing investors wanting to accumulate more.