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June 04, 2021, 09:43:21 AM
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Bitcoin's drop from 65k to $30k is one of the best things that has ever happened.

Take a moment to consider:

-Numerous institutions sit on the sidelines waiting for your money.

-Occasionally, a crash occurs.

-News reports about it are more common.

-Over half of the value of Bitcoin is lost, but the network continues to function. Work continues on upgrades (Taproot).

-HODLing and buying the dip are more popular than ever before, according to analysts.

-The new price offers buyers a great opportunity to enter the market.

-Summer will see US banks beginning to offer cryptocurrency products.

-Banks in Germany are legally allowed to start on July 1.

It's unstoppable
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June 04, 2021, 09:55:28 AM
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When bitcoin drops in price, long term holders get to scoop up more bitcoin at cheaper prices, whereas people who are planning on selling(for whatever reason) loses an amount of potential profit.

When bitcoin rise in price, people who are waiting for a drop miss out, whereas people who are planning on selling earns more.

It's pretty neutral. There are winners and losers in whatever direction bitcoin goes.

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June 04, 2021, 10:06:55 AM
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When bitcoin drops in price, long term holders get to scoop up more bitcoin at cheaper prices, whereas people who are planning on selling(for whatever reason) loses an amount of potential profit.
It might sound greedy, but I actually want the Bitcoin price to fall in the short term, and stay there for a while. It allows people like you, and me who might believe in the currency more in the long term, to actually maximize our holdings. So, I actually warmly welcome these drops any time they happen, and I imagine certain types of traders also do too, as it means they can buy in bulk, and profit later down the line.

Obviously, there are people like you say, that get hurt by the drops, but that is usually because they make the choice to sell at that point. They could, potentially wait until Bitcoin starts to rise again (assuming it will of course).
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June 04, 2021, 10:36:19 AM
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Best or not it depends on each other, if they already use all his money to buy Bitcoin in the past especially on the ATH and he need urgently the money, so it's a bad decision. However if he still have money to buy the dip, this dump is a good thing.

Even though many FUDs spreading and dump everywhere, Bitcoin is still going to be adopted from many countries/service and the development is still run. This is what should be and the future is bright for Bitcoin.

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June 04, 2021, 10:39:39 AM
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Bitcoin price will probably start moving hard up within some months. we all new further price growth is impossible without serious price correction. many words about it in this forum also in other online forums, posts etc. etc. however most of them including me expected bottom at 40K while it slipped further to 30K. the most stupid thing to do right now is to sell.
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June 04, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
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-Summer will see US banks beginning to offer cryptocurrency products.
-Banks in Germany are legally allowed to start on July 1.

Does the future of Bitcoin depend on how banks will position themselves against cryptocurrencies? Like many others, I do not like the fact that banks will come into a legal position to offer all these services and that in the end we have a paradoxical situation in which people use banks to buy and store cryptocurrencies in their custodial service. Maybe that makes sense with most centralized cryptocurrencies, but I would never trust a bank to be my crypto wallet, especially with Bitcoin.

Bitcoin's drop from 65k to $30k is one of the best things that has ever happened.

It depends from whose perspective you look at the situation - how do you think the one who invested at a price of $50k or higher feels? He probably thinks he’s been tricked by false promises, and if he’s sold then he’s definitely at a loss - which means he’s spreading negative vibes around him about how BTC is just some Ponzi scheme.

You need to know that events like this always have bad and good consequences, and that someone's gain is always the result of someone's loss.

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June 04, 2021, 10:42:41 AM
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When bitcoin rise in price, people who are waiting for a drop miss out, whereas people who are planning on selling earns more.

It's pretty neutral. There are winners and losers in whatever direction bitcoin goes.

That is the exact reason on why one should plan their investments and decide whether to take the loss or the profit.

Same concept in stocks, if you purchase some stocks in a company, you should already plan on which price you would sell those stocks before its price plummets down. Another example, in the last quarter of 2019 the price of bitcoin reached an ATH of $20,000 but a few weeks on its price decreased significantly to around $10,000.

If you really do plan on long-term investment, then BTC is the way to go but you must be ready of the consequences (such as this scenario).

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June 04, 2021, 10:51:55 AM
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Bitcoin's drop from 65k to $30k is one of the best things that has ever happened.

Take a moment to consider:
-Numerous institutions sit on the sidelines waiting for your money.
-Occasionally, a crash occurs.
-News reports about it are more common.
-Over half of the value of Bitcoin is lost, but the network continues to function. Work continues on upgrades (Taproot).
-HODLing and buying the dip are more popular than ever before, according to analysts.
-The new price offers buyers a great opportunity to enter the market.
-Summer will see US banks beginning to offer cryptocurrency products.
-Banks in Germany are legally allowed to start on July 1.
It's unstoppable

By following your logic, BTC going from $30 to $10k would be even a better thing to happen to Bitcoin. So, Bitcoin going from $60k to $30 cannot be the best thing because there are even better potential scenarios out there. I agree with what you said above though, Bitcoin is  inevitable. Eventually bitcoin will absorb every financial asset out there and it will be the one and the only.

When we are ready, we won't call it Bitcoin.

We will call it,

"The one"

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June 04, 2021, 10:53:12 AM
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This was especially very good for HODLers to buy more Bitcoin. I also bought some more as a HODLer. But this period has been really bad for short-term investors. They've lost a lot of money before reaching their goals.

 
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Indeed. To anybody who is waiting for the best entry into Bitcoin, this is the perfect moment. But I think a lot of newbies cannot see this opportunity. Many newbies or those who have yet to buy their first Bitcoin are only watching the price. As a result, they fail to appreciate the reason why Bitcoin became as valuable as now. So instead of buying when the price of something really precious has come down, they begin to imagine far-out scenarios.
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It is not the worst fall for Bitcoin and not the worst if you compares it to Google, Amazon, Facebook. Charts are from this tweet

If those stocks are able to make new all time highs, why some people think the crash in May 2021 is the end of Bitcoin. A new all time high for Bitcoin will appear.

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Sorry, but I don't see how any of your points proves that this was the best thing ever happened to Bitcoin. I see it as a pretty bad thing, because this bull run was shorter and smaller in terms of relative gains, compared to the previous bull cycles, which means that the rate of Bitcoin's price growth could be slowing down. Though it's a pretty expected thing, because at this point almost everyone is aware of Bitcoin

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June 04, 2021, 01:10:37 PM
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Bitcoin's drop from 65k to $30k is one of the best things that has ever happened.
Indeed but I'm looking at it from a different perspective than what you and most other users are discussing here...
- What I'm about to mention might not be 100% accurate, since I'm not going to refer to any of the charts but whenever we experience one of these ATH moments, it also results in huge spikes in fees [understandably] and when crashes of that extent happen, we're mostly left with true bitcoiners and that also leads to fees going down drastically.

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June 04, 2021, 01:21:41 PM
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Though it's a pretty expected thing, because at this point almost everyone is aware of Bitcoin

Who exactly do you mean when you say "almost everyone is aware of Bitcoin"? Are they regular investors in stocks, gold, bonds or similar things - or do you think most people in the world generally know about BTC?

Hearing about something, knowing something about something, and understanding something are completely different things. If we take into account that 45% of people do not have access to the Internet, out of the remaining 55% who theoretically have the opportunity to invest in BTC - how many of them actually actively participate in everything that happens in, say, the last 6 months? I would say that it is at most about 5%, although it is very easily possible that it is less than that. It is still a game that has a very limited number of players globally - especially those who can influence the market with their moves.

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June 04, 2021, 01:21:50 PM
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I admit asking a friend to invest at ATH, which is disconcerting, I tell them to look at the quantity of the coin and not the price, which I think is reasonable. or is it an alibi? Investing in Bitcoin is for the long term, this is a good time to increase your asset.


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June 04, 2021, 01:24:54 PM
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There are definitely hard core investors who are hurting right about now and they only have themselves to blame by pushing up the price with little more than hype and thehpoe of ever higher prices for their investment.

I'm also glad the price has fallen & I hope it drops to sub $20,000 by years' end and stays there for a few/many years to come.

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June 04, 2021, 01:26:31 PM
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Sorry, but I don't see how any of your points proves that this was the best thing ever happened to Bitcoin. I see it as a pretty bad thing, because this bull run was shorter and smaller in terms of relative gains, compared to the previous bull cycles, which means that the rate of Bitcoin's price growth could be slowing down. Though it's a pretty expected thing, because at this point almost everyone is aware of Bitcoin
I think you countered your own counter argument there though. Bull runs, are expected somewhat to slow down, in terms of the amount of people buying in, and the longevity of them. In theory, as more people invest in Bitcoin, the more it should become stable. the longer, and the closer we get to the limit it shouldn't be so volatile. This is helped by the block rewards being reduced as time goes on.

So, while you might be correct in it not being a good thing, I don't see it as a necessarily bad thing. It entirely depends on your perspective, since if you are a opportunistic investor then this is a good thing, and all the previous times it was a good thing. If you are someone who wants to use Bitcoin as a currency, then of course this can be seen as a bad thing, especially if you are focusing on Bitcoin as a currency right now.

There's always two sides of the spectrum, so there will always be people who benefit from price drops, and those that lose out. Usually, this is linked to confidence in Bitcoin, the reasons for investing, and what they intend to use Bitcoin for.
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June 04, 2021, 01:37:27 PM
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When bitcoin drops in price, long term holders get to scoop up more bitcoin at cheaper prices, whereas people who are planning on selling(for whatever reason) loses an amount of potential profit.
It might sound greedy, but I actually want the Bitcoin price to fall in the short term, and stay there for a while. It allows people like you, and me who might believe in the currency more in the long term, to actually maximize our holdings. So, I actually warmly welcome these drops any time they happen, and I imagine certain types of traders also do too, as it means they can buy in bulk, and profit later down the line.

Obviously, there are people like you say, that get hurt by the drops, but that is usually because they make the choice to sell at that point. They could, potentially wait until Bitcoin starts to rise again (assuming it will of course).

I am not sure if "welcoming" BTC price drops should be the right kind of mentality, even though surely I understand what you are saying Welsh, in terms of accepting the BTC price drops as an opportunity to continue to buy more BTC and to accumulate more BTC than you would have been able to accumulate if the BTC price had either stayed flat or just ongoingly gravitated UPpity without any meaningful price drops.

Accordingly, surely recognizing BTC price drops as opportunities to buy more and even to already be in a position to buy by having money available and accounts already set up that you can buy through puts you in a pretty damned good position compared to so many normies out there who either do not recognize the BTC price dips as buying opportunities and/or do not have BTC related accounts set up in order that they are even able to take advantage of the BTC price dips when they do happen.

-Summer will see US banks beginning to offer cryptocurrency products.
-Banks in Germany are legally allowed to start on July 1.

Does the future of Bitcoin depend on how banks will position themselves against cryptocurrencies? Like many others, I do not like the fact that banks will come into a legal position to offer all these services and that in the end we have a paradoxical situation in which people use banks to buy and store cryptocurrencies in their custodial service. Maybe that makes sense with most centralized cryptocurrencies, but I would never trust a bank to be my crypto wallet, especially with Bitcoin.

Well, there can be some advantages in keeping some balanced perspective in regards to the entrances of banks into the bitcoin space.  Of course, having a lot of skepticism towards banks remains quite healthy, and even being aware that there is a difference between custodying your own BTC and having some third-party custody your BTC.  One of the considerable advantages and power of BTC is being able to demand and achieve immediate custody over it, so surely setting up contractual relations with banks or other third parties that remove your ability to immediate custody is going to increasingly become a phenomena that becomes more and more known by the general population as we get more and more used to some of the powers of bitcoin and being able to assert and exercise some of those powers.

Surely various kinds of finanacialization of BTC should not merely be considered as incorporating traditional institutions into bitcoin because so far, and to my knowledge, bitcoin itself has not given up those kinds of powers, even if some (and perhaps many) individuals/institutions are choosing to use various services of third parties, and there are even some institutions that are forbidden from self-custody - even though likely several of the standards around self-custody versus third-party custody are going to be changing in the years to come, including becoming more and more aware about how some of the features (powers) of bitcoin will be usable to design more sophisticated custodying solutions that leave more power in the hands of the actual owner of the asset rather than with banks or other kinds of third-party custodians.

Bitcoin's drop from 65k to $30k is one of the best things that has ever happened.

Take a moment to consider:
-Numerous institutions sit on the sidelines waiting for your money.
-Occasionally, a crash occurs.
-News reports about it are more common.
-Over half of the value of Bitcoin is lost, but the network continues to function. Work continues on upgrades (Taproot).
-HODLing and buying the dip are more popular than ever before, according to analysts.
-The new price offers buyers a great opportunity to enter the market.
-Summer will see US banks beginning to offer cryptocurrency products.
-Banks in Germany are legally allowed to start on July 1.
It's unstoppable

By following your logic, BTC going from $30 to $10k would be even a better thing to happen to Bitcoin. So, Bitcoin going from $60k to $30 cannot be the best thing because there are even better potential scenarios out there. I agree with what you said above though, Bitcoin is  inevitable. Eventually bitcoin will absorb every financial asset out there and it will be the one and the only.

When we are ready, we won't call it Bitcoin.

We will call it,

"The one"

Of course, a lot of what you are saying makes sense, mindrust - although I am not going to go along with any kind of suggesting that there would ever be any need for any kind of bitcoin name change.. because king daddy no gives no shits.. including the fact that its name has already been established and getting consensus upon a name change is just NOT going to happen.. if we are actually trying to stay in the "real world" with our various conceptualizations of the future.

So, what about you mindrust?  Are you "real"?  Have you come back around to attempting to get bitcoin back into your life as a central investment mechanism rather than getting roped into investing your time, mentality and presumably finances into a lot of distractions (aka shitcoins and other likely inferior investments)?

Surely many of us need to be careful in any of our investments in terms of attempting to find a balance that allows us to neither panic at the wrong times, but also not to be led down some various detached from reality paths in terms of either BTC price dynamics or the likely roles of a variety of other projects that might sound promising but they are lacking in a lot of ways when they are not somehow accounting for the ongoingly dominant role of king daddy, including that king daddy is not going to be losing its dominant role, even though in the short-term (maybe even 20, 50 or 100 years) there are going to continue to be a decent number snake oil projects that can be ways to earn money in the short term, but they are not really tied to solid foundations, like BTC has been providing and will likely continue to provide.

I guess in sum, what I am trying to suggest is that there remains a decent amount of need to appreciate that bitcoin prices can be pushed down, but there are certain kinds of limits to how much that it can end up getting pushed down or that theoretically it seems quite unlikely that it is going to be pushed down below certain limits - without getting into fantasylandia thinking (which seems to be part of the point that you were making in your above post).  Surely, there are a lot of projects out there in which we could allocate some of our value and even have some potential for short term profits, but then we still do not have certain assurances regarding how far they are going to dump, once they start dumping. 

Anyhow, I hope that you mindrust, and maybe even some other folks who had gotten distracted into potential upside of various non-bitcoin projects and who seemed to have had lost confidence in terms of the solidness of bitcoin price floors, have come around to reconsidering their allocations in bitcoin and perhaps even their ways to ease back into bitcoin and/or increase their BTC allocations in such a way that is more in line with the reality that bitcoin remains the best investment out there, and when we are having various dips (especially relatively BIG ones like we just have seen - down 53%-ish from $64,895 to $30,066), then these remain opportunities to increase BTC allocations - especially if there had been some movements away from that in the past... for sure, each person has to figure out his/her own way of accomplishing allocation objectives and also reallocation objectives including figuring out if there are ways to use seemingly decently sized price dips to their advantage(s).

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June 04, 2021, 01:54:56 PM
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I'm not sure if this was the best one. But it was expected. For this reason, I sold all my bitcoins from ownr wallet shortly before. I felt that something like this would happen.
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Does the future of Bitcoin depend on how banks will position themselves against cryptocurrencies? Like many others, I do not like the fact that banks will come into a legal position to offer all these services and that in the end we have a paradoxical situation in which people use banks to buy and store cryptocurrencies in their custodial service. Maybe that makes sense with most centralized cryptocurrencies, but I would never trust a bank to be my crypto wallet, especially with Bitcoin.

I completely understand what you're saying, but if adoption is the goal, it's better to have Bitcoin within reach of more people. People using custodial services when it's completely unnecessary certainly is a cause of concern, but I feel like this is an easier problem to solve than lack of adoption. I see it as kind of like how people are much more aware of what to put and not to put on social media nowadays vs. a decade ago -- people are going to start talking about it, and at least a decent portion will listen.

I dislike that banks will be in a position of power in this scenario, but since it's always been open for use to everyone, it's not like we can stop them if they want to get involved anyway. All we can really do is speak with our own wallets and encourage other people to do the same. Either way, I personally believe getting more people involved = better.

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