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“Congratulations to the country of Nigeria, who just banned Twitter because they banned their President,”
“More COUNTRIES should ban Twitter and Facebook for not allowing free and open speech — all voices should be heard. In the meantime, competitors will emerge and take hold. Who are they to dictate good and evil if they themselves are evil? Perhaps I should have done it while I was President.
The twitter ban in Nigeria gets more hit across board, from social groups, lawyers and human rights groups to house of representatives summoning the minister of information "to know the processes to the reason" for twitter ban (though the summon coming late with more 10 days gap for investigation by committee). You can read hereAs to the House of Representatives summon, it is actually laughable that the representative house would still be seeking the reason for the ban or what transpired even when a common man on the street that is in line with internet and social media knows exactly what happened, now the house is still going to allow 10 days window for "what not investigation". This means the 10 days means continued ban, job losses, businesses folding cum furtherance of untold poverty and hardship. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F56QmmID.png&t=665&c=He3ut0HQJ_hzvQ) Now Trump has come up with his public stunt of lauding the Nigerian government for such abysmal action of continuing muffling of Nigerian voice, freedom of speech and expression all enshrined in the constitution and several charters including UN. I believe that Trump's ban by Twitter last year after instigating the violent invasion of the U.S. Capitol may be a contributing reason for such speech.
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June 09, 2021, 11:12:55 AM |
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Twitter is a social media platform and it should behave like one. Things get complicated when it intervenes in the politics and take sides. If they want to play politics, then they should not claim that they are just an intermediary. It also means that they are responsible for the content of their users. And this is applicable not only for Twitter, but also for other social media platforms such as FaceBook and Instagram. We all saw how social media can influence the elections, when these platforms put a complete gag on information related to Hunter Biden's laptop (a few weeks before the POTUS elections). Even a Washington Post article was removed from Twitter (despite the left wing bias of that particular news paper). On the other hand, left wing campaigners were actively posting fake news and Twitter took no action despite multiple users reporting them.
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Twitter is a social media platform and it should behave like one. Things get complicated when it intervenes in the politics and take sides. If they want to play politics, then they should not claim that they are just an intermediary. It also means that they are responsible for the content of their users. And this is applicable not only for Twitter, but also for other social media platforms such as FaceBook and Instagram. We all saw how social media can influence the elections, when these platforms put a complete gag on information related to Hunter Biden's laptop (a few weeks before the POTUS elections). Even a Washington Post article was removed from Twitter (despite the left wing bias of that particular news paper). On the other hand, left wing campaigners were actively posting fake news and Twitter took no action despite multiple users reporting them.
I agree with you on this issue, though I am not approving of anyone banning Twitter or any social media platform for that matter. I find it horrible when social media would be imposing its ban on people or organizations they deemed to be dangerous as it is not actually on their power to do so - yes they can do fact-checking, and they can even come up with warnings but beyond that it would already be necessary censorship. Twitter is already inserting itself into "What's happening" in doing so instead of becoming a platform where anyone can freely express his thoughts and ideas as long as they are legal. We have already entered high-tech censorship and generally this is not good.
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June 09, 2021, 03:16:36 PM |
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Twitter is a social media platform and it should behave like one. Things get complicated when it intervenes in the politics and take sides. If they want to play politics, then they should not claim that they are just an intermediary. It also means that they are responsible for the content of their users. And this is applicable not only for Twitter, but also for other social media platforms such as FaceBook and Instagram. We all saw how social media can influence the elections, when these platforms put a complete gag on information related to Hunter Biden's laptop (a few weeks before the POTUS elections). Even a Washington Post article was removed from Twitter (despite the left wing bias of that particular news paper). On the other hand, left wing campaigners were actively posting fake news and Twitter took no action despite multiple users reporting them.
As much as it is necessary for twitter and other social media platforms to stay away from the politics of any country, it is a company that has its own set of guidelines for users to adhere to before posting. If any user's post or tweet goes against these guidelines, they reserve the right to delete such tweet and this is exactly what happened. Twitter deleted the Nigerian President's tweet because it is against their rules in that the tweet is genocidal according to Twitter. Secondly, I believe the Presidency of Nigeria took the matter a bit too far. They, because of an issue with Twitter, banned it in the country. You should know that quite a lot of people in that country make their living off Twitter and this is the government saying it doesn't care just because of one deleted tweet.
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June 09, 2021, 03:45:07 PM |
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Yes, this is Trump’s revenge on Twitter because Twitter banned him when he was the president of the United States. I am surprised that Trump, who was the head of the largest country for freedoms and democracy in the world, congratulates the head of a dictatorial country on this dictatorial act that suppresses freedoms and confiscates ideas, it is an agreement of corrupt political interests What these corrupt politicians do.
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June 09, 2021, 09:13:14 PM |
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Yes, this is Trump’s revenge on Twitter because Twitter banned him when he was the president of the United States. I am surprised that Trump, who was the head of the largest country for freedoms and democracy in the world, congratulates the head of a dictatorial country on this dictatorial act that suppresses freedoms and confiscates ideas, it is an agreement of corrupt political interests What these corrupt politicians do.
Though there’s a lot of fake news on twitter I don’t think it’s right to ban twitter for that purpose because social media is the voice of the people now so the world knows what’s happening on a specific country since media are also corrupt. Trump is a big troll, hate speech and being arrogant is not good for me, he deserve it.
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June 09, 2021, 10:02:32 PM |
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I mean, what are the criteria for banning or outlawing a credible means of information? Like twitter in Nigeria. I see no reason to this if I'm to be frank with you. Individuals could be traced and cautioned for fake news or unlawful stories but then, there are other legit stories still on the platform and that cannot be completely ruled out. Social medias help more than we know it, in business and promotional services too.
I don't see this as a right step at all. Government of Nigeria is beginning to be too quick to anger and act as though ban is just the last and best resort to every provocation. Should they not be able to to control there emotions, they could as well live the office than playing God.
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June 09, 2021, 10:42:27 PM |
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Some of Trump's tweets were rather aggressive and offensive to certain groups of people, I am actually surprised the Twitter let that slide sometimes. Right now he's just pissed at 2 things: he's not a president and his tweets are deleted. He just wishes he had more power that's all. If he banned Twitter in the US boy oh boy there would be rebels, so I guess it's a good thing he's not in charge anymore ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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June 09, 2021, 10:48:29 PM |
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Donald Trump supported hydroxychloroquine as the most affordable, easiest to obtain and most effective treatment for COVID-19 for a very long time.
There may have been a significant shift where Trump threw hydroxychloroquine under a bus. In favor of remdesivir, regeneron, vaccines and other COVID drugs which are significantly more expensive and questionable as to whether they're as effective as hydroxychloroquine. That may be one of the best indicators of Trump abandoning policies that were in the best interest of americans. In favor of policies which are in the best favor of special interests.
I'm not a big fan of the state having the power to lawfully nationalise or ban private enterprise. I don't think its a policy people should support. Banning twitter, social media or big tech isn't a solution to any of our perceived problems.
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June 09, 2021, 11:58:03 PM |
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Yes, this is Trump’s revenge on Twitter because Twitter banned him when he was the president of the United States. I am surprised that Trump, who was the head of the largest country for freedoms and democracy in the world, congratulates the head of a dictatorial country on this dictatorial act that suppresses freedoms and confiscates ideas, it is an agreement of corrupt political interests What these corrupt politicians do.
Though there’s a lot of fake news on twitter I don’t think it’s right to ban twitter for that purpose because social media is the voice of the people now so the world knows what’s happening on a specific country since media are also corrupt. Trump is a big troll, hate speech and being arrogant is not good for me, he deserve it. I think there's a clown in the outside world of social media platform that's so happy when being praise making them to stand in the crowd. They may ban twitter but they can't ban the entire social media platforms and what twitter did to his(Trump's) account is right imo since he's starting to get toxic to somebody else. And yes, he deserves it because of his arrogance.
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June 10, 2021, 03:25:41 AM |
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As much as it is necessary for twitter and other social media platforms to stay away from the politics of any country, it is a company that has its own set of guidelines for users to adhere to before posting. If any user's post or tweet goes against these guidelines, they reserve the right to delete such tweet and this is exactly what happened. Twitter deleted the Nigerian President's tweet because it is against their rules in that the tweet is genocidal according to Twitter. Secondly, I believe the Presidency of Nigeria took the matter a bit too far. They, because of an issue with Twitter, banned it in the country. You should know that quite a lot of people in that country make their living off Twitter and this is the government saying it doesn't care just because of one deleted tweet.
How many people make their living out of Twitter in Nigeria (out of a population of 250 million)? It is not a valid reason to say that Twitter doesn't need to respect the rule of the land. And no one is against the rules and policies of Twitter. We are having issues not with the policies of Twitter, but because of the selective implementation of these policies. When they become selective, then it becomes political interference. Twitter is just a corporation. They can't interfere in politics all around the world, and push forward with their left-wing agenda.
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Trump will love any man who supports his cause at any cost lmfao. He literally got banned from twitter for continuous indirect support to riots even after warnings, and kept claiming he won the election and Biden won by fraud which is a pretty good fake news, so obviously, it's not like he's innocent ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) free speech is good, but spreading hate, misinformation and lies with it? Twitter is a private company as well, so they have their own regulations and rules, terms and conditions I guess. It's funny how Trump actually called in past that social media a good thing because his assumed "fake media" on TV never said positive things about him, but now when he's banned, he's crying selfishly!
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June 10, 2021, 05:06:41 AM |
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Trump being trump lmao. On that note, I really don't think Nigeria banning twitter has anything that can help both sides. It's just like a nonsensical type of fight where if I hit you, you hit me, Why? Cause you hit me justification. No one even bothers why one was hit. How many people make their living out of Twitter in Nigeria (out of a population of 250 million)? It is not a valid reason to say that Twitter doesn't need to respect the rule of the land. And no one is against the rules and policies of Twitter. We are having issues not with the policies of Twitter, but because of the selective implementation of these policies. When they become selective, then it becomes political interference. Twitter is just a corporation. They can't interfere in politics all around the world, and push forward with their left-wing agenda.
I don't necessarily think that Twitter went for selective implementation there due to politics, but rather due to how many people actually saw it. They have no choice. I mean, who would look at a tweet of random passerby A vs a tweet of the president right? They'd have to be selective on that since the latter reaches out to a far wider audience compared to the former.
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twitter had been meddling almost everything in politics that's why Trump had been banned there. If he had the chance I guess he should have but during the time when he was the president. twitter had been used to silence the users who aren't with their views. same with Laura Loomer. this is the reason why Laura Loomer attracts Jack Dorsey to Bitcoin Conference in Miami. It's actually funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LewwptPBpA
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Trump will love any man who supports his cause at any cost lmfao. He literally got banned from twitter for continuous indirect support to riots even after warnings, and kept claiming he won the election and Biden won by fraud which is a pretty good fake news, so obviously, it's not like he's innocent ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) free speech is good, but spreading hate, misinformation and lies with it? Twitter is a private company as well, so they have their own regulations and rules, terms and conditions I guess. It's funny how Trump actually called in past that social media a good thing because his assumed "fake media" on TV never said positive things about him, but now when he's banned, he's crying selfishly! You are shifting the goal post. No one here is defending Trump. The issue here is that Twitter is selective in banning the users. Trump may or may not deserve a ban, as he refused to condemn the capitol rioters. So he has only himself to blame. But far worse tweets have been made by those to the left of the political spectrum. The former prime minister of Malaysia threatened to massacre tens of millions of French. And the last time I checked, his Twitter account was intact. Twitter refused to act against such people. I don't necessarily think that Twitter went for selective implementation there due to politics, but rather due to how many people actually saw it. They have no choice. I mean, who would look at a tweet of random passerby A vs a tweet of the president right? They'd have to be selective on that since the latter reaches out to a far wider audience compared to the former.
The tweet from Mahathir Mohamad got thousands of likes and it was viewed by hundreds of thousands of users. Anyway, it is ridiculous to claim that users need to be banned only of they are popular.
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I believe that Trump's ban by Twitter last year after instigating the violent invasion of the U.S. Capitol may be a contributing reason for such speech.
As far as I know twitter has a rule system, they have certain rules that you have to apply otherwise they ban you, same goes for every user and not just some users. If you see a person who is doing something against the rules, report them, with enough reporting of a certain person you can get them banned as well, there is really nothing shocking about that because every single website is ruled the same, certain rules and everyone has to abide and if one doesn't then they get banned. Trump was an idiot who rallied people to occupy the capitol which is still not passing from senate and thankfully FBI is at least jailing some people and that is very good outcome, after that it was very normal for him to get banned, if I collected bunch of people that resulted with them occupying the capital, then I would be at least banned from twitter, probably would be jailed forever as well.
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It's an entirely funny situation in Nigeria, for a third world country still struggling to cope with basic amenities like electricity and good roads, banning Tweeter cause their president's tweet (which of course violated one of tweeters rules) was deleted is just unbelievable, and an indication that their government doesn't know where their problem really lies.
Nigeria is a country struggling economically, they are in a state of inflation and a high rate of unemployment, so many of it's citizens use Tweeter as their source of livelihood, and they promote/engage in one business or the other on the social platform, thus the government just basically cut off quite a lot of people's income, without providing anything reasonable for them to do. I'm personally not surprised with Donald Trump's comments, he made even worse statements when he was president, but even he couldn't go as far as banning Tweeter in the U.S.A.
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This means the 10 days means continued ban, job losses, businesses folding cum furtherance of untold poverty and hardship.
You should know that quite a lot of people in that country make their living off Twitter and this is the government saying it doesn't care just because of one deleted tweet.
I can't see and I can't picture how would a Twitter ban would end up with job losses and business folding. If your job is that dependent on a social platform hosted in a different company or your entire business is linked that tight with a company that actually has terms and conditions against this then it's obvious you're doing something wrong. I would understand youtube, as a youtube content creator but twitter? No, no way! The only ones that can say are affected at bounty hunters who spam links all day but damn if that's your only refuge as a money maker you should seriously reconsider your priorities in life and what you want to achieve. What happens if Twitter will result in the same KYC and would enforce all the rules against commercial tweets for real, not keep as lenient as they have to date? As for Trump, I don't see why it would matter what he says, he is the ex-president, the ex stands for zero influence whatsoever. Nigeria is a country struggling economically, they are in a state of inflation and a high rate of unemployment, so many of it's citizens use Tweeter as their source of livelihood,
Ok, ok, does anybody has a number on this? Because to be honest I would call such claims as pure you know what, if a country's economy would be that dependent on some tweets then I don't want to know what a complete fb/instagram/youtube would do to you, send you back in the stone age?
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Social networks should be strictly regulated and censored so that the news is not true and does not incorporate one-sided propaganda claims. Twitter violated laws that the Nigerian government banned such as racism and genocide. As for Trump's statements, incumbent statements about democracy are common political ploys to carry out American propaganda plots. Trump's recent statement was angry about not being elected president. He also used the money to hire ads on social networking sites to win the presidential election.
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Personally, I don't agree that banning Twitter is tantamount to stifling freedom of speech. Whatever you want to tweet you can always speak somewhere else. It is not as if Twitter is the only way for people to have a voice. It is not the only public platform either. Neither is it the only avenue for voices to be heard.
As a matter of fact, Twitter itself is also doing the sifting of which tweet is allowed and which is not. So Twitter cannot be made a poster boy of freedom of speech. Moreover, a sovereign country has the privilege to choose which site is allowed and which is not. At the end of the day, Twitter is but a private site owned by a private company. Any country is free to accept it or not.
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