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July 10, 2021, 04:39:09 PM
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You asked, "What would he do to Satoshi if Satoshi were around?"
I ask, "What would have happened if he was Satoshi himself (according to his claims)?" All the participants in the bitcoin ecosystem would have been sued by him just because they use his 'services' without permission. What a beggar this guy is, he is begging us to believe him as an identity he does not relate to, by any means. This must be stopped somewhere or he will destroy everything only to satisfy his ego.

I hope that we can sue him that he is the false Satoshi as long as he can't prove he is in charge of the wallet with 1 million Bitcoins,he cannot sign a message from that wallet.This guy must be stopped,even in the Wikipedia page it clearly says that he said he is Satoshi Nakamoto but the vast majority of the people in the crypto ecosystem do not believe his claims.

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July 11, 2021, 09:24:10 AM
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I hope that we can sue him that he is the false Satoshi

If CSW is successful in making courts believe that he is Satoshi, he will owe billions in taxes. In CSW's own words:

Quote from: CSW link=https://craigwright.net/blog/law-regulation/forking-and-passing-off/
Bitcoin was created in 2009 with all 21 million bitcoin issued. The system was constructed so that nodes (aka miners — note that only miners are nodes) are paid to validate transactions. At no point do they own the database.

Quote from: CSW link=https://craigwright.net/blog/law-regulation/forking-and-passing-off/
Nodes and miners are thus subcontracting in accordance with the initially constructed set of rules that I created. That is, they are following a set of rules and acting as my agents.


One might argue that since he is claiming rights to bitcoin via lawsuits, like the white paper and software, that
every time a miner is paid out, CSW has said that he, personally, is responsible for those payments.


So, CSW owes tax on the monetary value of ~6 BTC every ten minutes
in the countries that miners are mining or selling in, according to his alleged claims, because
that's what he claims he is paying them to secure the network.
He does not get compensation though, as those values have been paid to those miners,
who are now the owners of those bitcoins.
It wouldn't change that the miners owe tax too, I doubt, but perhaps they can pass off their tax to CSW.
It's a funny thing -- to only owe tax!?


This will be taxed at a higher rate than capital gains because he is claiming it as a business. And because he is now claiming all nodes as his agents, he is now liable for every single crime that has occurred under the system that he claims to have developed. Business law creates all sorts of liability. He would have a fiduciary and legal responsibility, and abandoning the system (if it were true) would not absolve him perhaps. It won't be just the Australian Tax authorities for his previous endeavours that will be after him if he successfully defends a case. (Nevermind that 21 million weren't issues then. And his definition of nodes disagrees with the developed software.. Also, ownership of a database does not automatically give ownership of the values within that database. A person never loses the right to their birthdate just because its in a random database somewhere, for example.)
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July 11, 2021, 09:58:27 AM
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The guy is ruining everybody that touch him in any way, just look how quickly Gavin Andresen's reputation was shattered when he fooled Gavin into acknowledging that he was Satoshi Nakamoto.  Roll Eyes 

I think he is suing lots of people, hoping that one of these courts will drop the ball and unknowingly validates that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. That will open up a Pandora's box of possibilities for him to chase more people for more money. The thing is, Karma can be a Bitch and this can explode in his face, because being Satoshi Nakamoto can bring down a bunch of trouble for him.  Wink

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July 11, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
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I don't know if this is going to be a good idea but would it be bad if everyone here try and annoy this fucker we call Faketoshi and create the things that he take down and then bring it up when it gets taken down again?
This fakesatoshi of persons have to be penalize, if really everyone become silent of this, i think this guy will tarnish the images of cryptocurrencies, claiming to be real Satoshi Nakamoto is just a strategies to scam people From my perspective, so the best option is to sue this guy and prosecute it with immediate effect, because i notice that been adamant of this, can equally caused harm to people who will be victim. So no need of bringing his ideas up or making it to come in existence, the best answer to these after the first option i gave is to introduce a new method to suppress all his scamming strategies and possibly remind him to jail.

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July 11, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
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If I know anything about the law, I would probably host it myself but I don't want to risk it, is there a possibility that you can get sued if you aren't from UK?

My opinion is this:  If you are a well known person in Bitcoin-- an educator, a developer, a business leader, an advocate-- he will eventually sue you regardless of what you do unless you endorse his scam-- the only way you won't get sued without endorsing him if you're well known is if he's busy suing other people first for long enough that a criminal arrest stops him before he gets to you.  Some of the developers he's already suing haven't been developers for four or more years.

If you are a relatively nobody, he is probably unlikely to sue you regardless of what you do.  However, sending a message like the above might significantly move your position up on the list, and by doing so provide some protection for people in the first group.  You'll also help assure that no matter what he does the whitepaper and Bitcoin node software will remain available and highlight for everyone the futility of his suppression efforts.  Similarly, spreading information about his fraud and encouraging other people to act increases the risk that he'll retaliate.

As Satoshi said:  Bitcoin "takes advantage of the nature of information being easy to spread but hard to stifle."   Information doesn't spread on it's own: it needs everyone's help.


BITCOIN is anonymous, Wright is NOT; Yet people try to become famous in the btc world, and then become attacks vectors for the scammers; I think everybody still anonymous should know to stay that way, as its stands now, everybody on the internet is a dog, and any dog can hold 10k bitcoins, and nobody is to even know.

People go around flaunting that their whales should not be surprised they are victims of the Wrights, I would even add that Wright probably has a team of 100's of lawyers working on contingency knowing well that wherever there is  money, there is settlement that then there is a percentage of the take going to the lawyers say 40%

Thus it never ends, but if nobody know u got the bitcoin, and u ain't a public figure, then u got not worry; Even in the real world all rich people are targets all the time.
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Maybe we can get Bukele to engage their judicial system issue an extradition warrant against this impersonator, see how he likes having a red interpol flag (Yes, States can do that, screw you Craig).

With zero proof, cyber bullying people world wide, basically stealing, or trying to steal from the entire world. He should also be declared persona non-grata and banned entry in other countries, and with the red flag he would be arrested immediately for extradition, the way he deserves. He would love sharing a cell with the maras...

The fundamental reason would be: there is this person threatening to destroy the national currency. El Salvador has all the rights to demand extradition for trial of this fraud. This is not a British coin, so its not their problem.

In parallel, please do provide alternative sources to keep the project going. A .onion address for example...

The world will never let this guy destroy Bitcoin.

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July 12, 2021, 11:43:42 PM
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So I have finished creating the relevant pages on my site in order
to host the Whitepaper and Node software > http://d3fy.link as
per @gmaxwell in the OP. I am not planning on announcing this
directly to any attorneys. Its in the public domain, let them look
for it.

Is anyone else bothering to make a stand and d3fy CSW?
we can have strength in numbers, if there is enough of us hosting
on various platforms it will be impossible to attack all sources.



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Its in the public domain, let them look for it.

I don't think Craig and his law firm will bother looking for "small fry" links hosted by us as trying to identify us would waste a large amount of their time they could spend suing more well-known personalities.

So they're ignoring us, and it appears that they're more interested in harassing devs (most of whom aren't even hosting the whitepaper).

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I don't think Craig and his law firm will bother looking for "small fry" links hosted by us as trying to identify us would waste a large amount of their time they could spend suing more well-known personalities.
Speaking of, the thought occurred to me that we could look in to getting "big players" to start hosting the whitepaper. Big centralized exchanges would be good. Given that they have made millions or even billions in profits because of this whitepaper, the least they could do is to host a copy of it. Looking in to it, it seems a few exchanges do already host it, a couple in direct response to CSW's lies back in January.

Coinbase - https://www.coinbase.com/bitcoin.pdf
Kraken - https://blog.kraken.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/bitcoin.pdf
BitMex - https://blog.bitmex.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/bitcoin.pdf

There are several more exchanges, such as Binance, Gemini, and Bittrex, which do not host the whitepaper themselves but do link to https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf from various pages.

Anyone want to see if CSW and his band of rent-a-cops want to try suing Coinbase with one his frivolous lawsuits?

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July 13, 2021, 10:12:56 AM
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That's a fucked up scheme, to have the people who helped developed bitcoin have their bitcoins stolen from them by someone who fakes their identity and claims to be the founder. Have you thought of ways to hide your bitcoin so in the worst case, you won't be giving any? If I was in that position where they are trying to take away my bitcoin, I would probably hide it somewhere or a drastic but pretty hurtful for Faketoshi is to burn all those bitcoin.

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July 13, 2021, 10:25:18 AM
 #31

That's a fucked up scheme, to have the people who helped developed bitcoin have their bitcoins stolen from them by someone who fakes their identity and claims to be the founder. Have you thought of ways to hide your bitcoin so in the worst case, you won't be giving any? If I was in that position where they are trying to take away my bitcoin, I would probably hide it somewhere or a drastic but pretty hurtful for Faketoshi is to burn all those bitcoin.
this is a madness that has just woken up from its sleep. until whenever a new sathosi will appear and claim to be the founder, creator and inventor ... this is all because the value in bitcoin is also a fantastic and promising price, sometimes this is what makes someone confess and make up

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