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Question: Which Covid 19 Vaccine is is the best ?
Sputnik - V - 2 (18.2%)
Sinopham - 0 (0%)
Astrazeneca - 1 (9.1%)
CanSino BIO - 0 (0%)
Sinovac - 0 (0%)
None of the above - 8 (72.7%)
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Israel has shot Pfizer to all citizens and statistics evidences the result is meeting all expectations. I would put this vaccine on the first place. The shit stuff like Sputnik that comes from Russia  I wouldn’t even consider because there’s no true telling what they put in it. A good read on how pfizer-BioNTech vaccine works.

If your Pfizer vaccine was available to everyone, then there was no need for us to take Sputnik V, right? The problem is that Pfizer has restricted their sales to rich countries, where they can sell their vaccine for $75 per individual. When Brazil and Argentina asked them for the supplies, Pfizer wanted the army bases and gold reserves of these countries as collateral in returns for the medicines. On the other hand, Russia provided a lot of poor nations with the Sputnik V vaccine. And the efficacy as per The Lancet is 92%, compared to 95% for the Pfizer vaccine.

To be a little bit more clear about what seemed to be happening in these negotiations:

Pfizer demanded that Pfizer could not get sued for negligence (including criminal negligence I believe) by the nation's court system.  Some nations had problematic legislative or constitutional text.  They were induced to rapidly modify their laws prior to inking a deal.  The collateral (military bases, bank reserves, etc) was to guarantee that Pfizer would not be found negligent in the nation's court systems and the collateral would be forfeited should that happen at some point in the future.

What we know of these deals is because negotiations fell through in Argentina and someone blabbed or leaked some of the details which were supposed to be kept secret.  It would seem probable that all countries who did ink an agreement with Pfizer did agree to those terms or something like them.


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May 04, 2021, 02:24:26 PM
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We have few variants of vaccine namely Sputnik - V, Sinopham , Astrazeneca, CanSino BIO and Sinovac.  
Which of these Covid 19 Vaccine is the best with least side effects and more effective protection against covid-19 ?

I would go for an mRNA vaccine.  Pfizer or Moderna.  I took Pfizer about a month ago.

BTW, covid-19 vaccines do not provide any 'protection' against covid-19 infections.  

What they do is make your immune system respond better when the infection does happen.  
So in most cases, you will not even develop any noticeable symptoms when you do get infected with covid-19.

Our immune system is in constant war with pathogens entering our bodies.  

Vaccines 'teach' the immune system how to fight against the otherwise 'unknown' pathogens.

Very few, if at all, vaccinated people will die due to covid-19 infections and the resulting complications.

Vaccines stop the spread because vaccinated people generally do not shed the virus when they do get infected.

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May 04, 2021, 04:31:41 PM
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To be a little bit more clear about what seemed to be happening in these negotiations:

Pfizer demanded that Pfizer could not get sued for negligence (including criminal negligence I believe) by the nation's court system.  Some nations had problematic legislative or constitutional text.  They were induced to rapidly modify their laws prior to inking a deal.  The collateral (military bases, bank reserves, etc) was to guarantee that Pfizer would not be found negligent in the nation's court systems and the collateral would be forfeited should that happen at some point in the future.

What we know of these deals is because negotiations fell through in Argentina and someone blabbed or leaked some of the details which were supposed to be kept secret.  It would seem probable that all countries who did ink an agreement with Pfizer did agree to those terms or something like them.

Thanks for the clarification about the demands put forward by Pfizer. For me this is just pure exploitation. Pfizer has a life saving medicine and now they are blackmailing the poor countries in return for the vaccine doses. Why should Pfizer be immune from lawsuits, if they commit criminal negligence? Personally I don't have anything against Pfizer. I am very thankful to them, for inventing the blue pill. But I have a feeling that this is not the time for them to fatten their pockets.
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NEW VACCINE INFO -

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/05/04/993519402/pfizer-says-fda-will-soon-authorize-covid-19-vaccine-for-12-15-age-group

Vaccines will be available for 12-15 with an FDA emergency use authorization. The FDA is the US oversight agency about drugs, don't think there's been any other agencies around the world that have allowed young kids to get the vaccine (correct me if I'm wrong). This is for Pfizer's vaccine (one of the most effective out of some of the options available).

Worth noting -- this disease is NOT particularly dangerous to kids...so it's your choice whether you would like them vaccinated. Consider any side effects.
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May 05, 2021, 08:35:02 PM
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OP, you haven't listed many covid vaccines like Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson and some less known vaccines. Without these, your poll results won't represent anything.
Personally, I think that most us can't say which one vaccine is the best. Most of us don't have medical education and now it's nothing more than popularity contest.
Sinovac vaccine has a single-dose efficiency of just 3%, according to a study performed by Universidad de Chile.
3%? Did I read it right? Shouldn't it something like 30%? I tried to look for more data about this vaccine and there is lot of different numbers. From what I found, efficiency of Sinovac vaccine is between 50% and 78% according to different researches.

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May 05, 2021, 09:01:09 PM
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Which Covid 19 Vaccine is is the best ?

Any of them that are not-used/burned/neutralized/destroyed/etc. But don't believe it until you know it is really being done.


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Underwater drones equipped with sonar technology mapped out 36,000 acres of seafloor between Los Angeles and Santa Catalina Island, which led them to the discovery that at least 27,000 barrels of DDT are nested there.

Scientists also found an excess of 100,000 debris objects related to the illegal dumping, which probably occurred at some point back during the time of World War II when DDT was still legally in use.

This particular area of ocean floor has previously been identified as a dumping site for the industrial complex of Southern California. However, it was not known until now that large quantities of DDT are hiding there well beneath the surface.

The site is located about 12 miles offshore of Los Angeles and about eight miles from Catalina Island. The depth of the barrels is about 3,000 feet below the surface.

The autonomous underwater vehicle that was used to detect the barrels identified distinct track-line patterns that suggest dumping occurred repeatedly, and probably from an underwater platform such as a moving ship or barge.
The ocean basin offshore from California has long been a chemical dumping ground

DDT, for those who are unfamiliar with it, is a “miracle” pesticide that the chemical industrial complex of old touted as the “cure” for malaria. It was banned in 1972 after it was found to cause cancer in humans, as well as severe damage to ecosystems.

Even after all these years, the dumped barrels are still releasing DDT, it was determined. Experts say the first concentrated accumulations of DDT were discovered in the area about a decade ago, including inside the bodies of marine mammals like dolphins and sea lions.


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May 05, 2021, 11:12:32 PM
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Just read the latest news about the vaccine that's not on your availability, Moderna.
Moderna says Covid booster shot generates promising immune response against variants found in South Africa, Brazil

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July 07, 2021, 06:53:57 PM
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Israel has shot Pfizer to all citizens and statistics evidences the result is meeting all expectations. I would put this vaccine on the first place. The shit stuff like Sputnik that comes from Russia  I wouldn’t even consider because there’s no true telling what they put in it. A good read on how pfizer-BioNTech vaccine works.

If your Pfizer vaccine was available to everyone, then there was no need for us to take Sputnik V, right? The problem is that Pfizer has restricted their sales to rich countries, where they can sell their vaccine for $75 per individual. When Brazil and Argentina asked them for the supplies, Pfizer wanted the army bases and gold reserves of these countries as collateral in returns for the medicines. On the other hand, Russia provided a lot of poor nations with the Sputnik V vaccine. And the efficacy as per The Lancet is 92%, compared to 95% for the Pfizer vaccine.

That's not the case anymore. I think USA has ample Pfizer vaccine now and they are sending it to underdeveloped countries. I am from Pakistan and we have also receive a good quantity of Pfizer vaccine.
Pakistan to receive 13m Pfizer vaccines

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Israel has shot Pfizer to all citizens and statistics evidences the result is meeting all expectations. I would put this vaccine on the first place. The shit stuff like Sputnik that comes from Russia  I wouldn’t even consider because there’s no true telling what they put in it. A good read on how pfizer-BioNTech vaccine works.

If your Pfizer vaccine was available to everyone, then there was no need for us to take Sputnik V, right? The problem is that Pfizer has restricted their sales to rich countries, where they can sell their vaccine for $75 per individual. When Brazil and Argentina asked them for the supplies, Pfizer wanted the army bases and gold reserves of these countries as collateral in returns for the medicines. On the other hand, Russia provided a lot of poor nations with the Sputnik V vaccine. And the efficacy as per The Lancet is 92%, compared to 95% for the Pfizer vaccine.

That's not the case anymore. I think USA has ample Pfizer vaccine now and they are sending it to underdeveloped countries. I am from Pakistan and we have also receive a good quantity of Pfizer vaccine.
Pakistan to receive 13m Pfizer vaccines

This is true! The USA is sending out many of their extra vaccines at this point, an the majority happen to be pfizer. Great for everyone, as it has the least reported side effects and highest level of effectiveness. USA has extra though cause people are choosing not to get it, an odd choice, but benefits other countries I guess, so sorta kinda virtuous in a way  Tongue
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July 07, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
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Your list is not complete what about moderna, j&j, pfizer?

They say pfizer is the best vaccine but its not really accurate unless you tried it yourself and there's less side effects but with high effectiveness.

Astrazena has some blood clotting issues, maybe, that caused it to be banned in Denmark, so unless you're extra paranoid, it should be fine but maybe not the best choice.
I also heard it in the news and thinking of blood clotting side effect is really scary.

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July 08, 2021, 04:46:02 AM
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All covic vaccines lead to early grave.

Vaccines only got emergency approval because a false Hydroxychloroquine narrative was created
https://ahrp.org/how-a-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative-was-created/

India Could Sentence WHO Chief Scientist to Death for Misleading Over Ivermectin and Killing Indians
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2021/06/india-could-sentence-who-chief-scientist-to-death-for-misleading-over-ivermectin-and-killing-indians.html

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July 08, 2021, 02:04:26 PM
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Sinovac vaccine has a single-dose efficiency of just 3%, according to a study performed by Universidad de Chile.
3%? Did I read it right? Shouldn't it something like 30%? I tried to look for more data about this vaccine and there is lot of different numbers. From what I found, efficiency of Sinovac vaccine is between 50% and 78% according to different researches.

Single dose efficiency of the Sinovac vaccine is 3%. The details are here:
https://qz.com/2018838/what-we-know-about-efficacy-of-sinopharm-sinovac-vaccines/

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An April study from the University of Chile put the effectiveness of a single dose of Covid-19 vaccine at 3% for protecting against symptomatic infection, based on an examination of seven million vaccinated people.

Link from the journal article here: https://www.uchile.cl/noticias/174186/resultados-primer-estudio-de-efectividad-de-las-vacunas-en-chile

The efficacy after two doses of Sinovac was measured at 54% during the same study. Now compared to this, the one-dose efficacy is 61% for AstraZeneca, 92% for Pfizer, 79% for Sputnik V and 66% for Janssen.

If your Pfizer vaccine was available to everyone, then there was no need for us to take Sputnik V, right? The problem is that Pfizer has restricted their sales to rich countries, where they can sell their vaccine for $75 per individual. When Brazil and Argentina asked them for the supplies, Pfizer wanted the army bases and gold reserves of these countries as collateral in returns for the medicines. On the other hand, Russia provided a lot of poor nations with the Sputnik V vaccine. And the efficacy as per The Lancet is 92%, compared to 95% for the Pfizer vaccine.
That's not the case anymore. I think USA has ample Pfizer vaccine now and they are sending it to underdeveloped countries. I am from Pakistan and we have also receive a good quantity of Pfizer vaccine.
Pakistan to receive 13m Pfizer vaccines

Pakistan may receive Pfizer doses starting from Q4 2021. The vast majority of these doses will be delivered in 2022 and 2023. Most of the countries are not ready to wait for that long, and that is why they are going for other vaccines.
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Pfizer / Biontech was the best vaccine up until the Delta variant. Now it seems that the initial immunity from 95% dropped down to 65% for the Pfizer vaccine. This will probably need further testing but what seems to be the best mix for the Delta variant is first injection AstraZeneca and second injection Pfizer/Biontech or Moderna. A cross mix of vaccines seems to have a higher immune reaction.
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We have few variants of vaccine namely Sputnik - V, Sinopham , Astrazeneca, CanSino BIO and Sinovac.  
Which of these Covid 19 Vaccine is the best with least side effects and more effective protection against covid-19 ?

This link posted by @Shamm and I think this is suitable to your thread  this are all about the vaccine..Who are able to get the Vaccine? What are the symptoms? And Dosage.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5347892.0
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I've read that Sputnik V had skipped clinical trials and was distributed to Russia's citizens without even completing phase 1. I think the Pfizer one has the best efficacy out there currently, and has shown less adverse side effects, which are statistically rare in most if not every vaccine listed here. The Johnson one is a decent candidate too, it's one shot, and you're done with it.

Likewise, I got vaccinated with the Pfizer one and had no side effects whatsoever, I'm receiving the next dose in approximately 10 days from now.

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July 11, 2021, 07:51:04 AM
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I've read that Sputnik V had skipped clinical trials and was distributed to Russia's citizens without even completing phase 1. I think the Pfizer one has the best efficacy out there currently, and has shown less adverse side effects, which are statistically rare in most if not every vaccine listed here. The Johnson one is a decent candidate too, it's one shot, and you're done with it.

Likewise, I got vaccinated with the Pfizer one and had no side effects whatsoever, I'm receiving the next dose in approximately 10 days from now.

That is indeed the reason why there is somehow distress in Russia right now. I've read some articles regarding the issue of Russia, but now not hearing any.

There is internal problem within the country, and I think someone is covering this up.

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Wait, is it that the Covid-19 vaccine is of different types and kinds?.  Because the viral video i watched few days ago that show how  any metal can get  magneted to any particular spot  where the patient was injected and this  can cause a total  disapproval from the masses as per taking it since it can cause such absurd experience to the few people who took it. But well  even as the case maybe why is it not produce with same effectiveness as the others. why is the effectiveness differing?  This is why the masses will find it difficult to believe the authenticity because a vaccine cannot be produce for different purposes and at same time the purpose now differ in effectiveness  To me it is good producing a vaccine but what do you expect of the poor masses who might find it difficult to believe in any controversial Vaccine.
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I live in Venezuela although I have not received the Covid19 vaccine. I can share the experience of my relatives and people I know about the effects of the vaccines they have received.
My sister received the China Sinopharm vaccine, as a side effect she told me that the symptoms were mild.
I have also checked the internet and the data reveal that the effectiveness of this vaccine is an average of 67.8% and 80.2% depending on the age of the people vaccinated.
In my country a vaccination plan was devised with the Sinopharm, Sputnik V vaccines and the Cuban Abdala vaccine.
The population is concerned about the effectiveness of this vaccine (Abdala) God help us. If I have learned to live with the virus without a vaccine, I will continue with the same care because the issue now is the efficacy of vaccines to achieve immunity.
 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/cubas-new-covid-19-vaccine-finds-testing-ground-in-venezuela-11625738401

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